UFC 150

[poopoo333]

Frankie Edgar vs Benson Henderson
Yushin Okami vs Luiz Cane
Dennis Hallman vs Thiago Tavares

[SPX]

Damn, that sucks for Cane. He needs a gimme fight or two to get his confidence back and Yushin Okami does not fit that criteria.

Okami via winning.

[Mr. IWS]

Okami via winning.

I lol'd

[poopoo333]

Jake Shields vs Ed Herman at MW

[Luke]

Jake Shields vs Ed Herman at MW

If Shields gets his power back a MW he should be fine,it not............

[poopoo333]

RUMOR: Eddie Alvarez vs. Anthony Pettis bout is being targeted for UFC 150

...

[Luke]

Alvarez will kill that overrated POS

[poopoo333]

Hopefully not literally, that would keep MMA out of NYC for another year.

[SPX]

Alvarez will kill that overrated POS

Someone's still mad about their Bendo bet. . .

[Ludo]

I got Pettis in that matchup. Alvarez gets tagged and hurt striking in almost every fight, Pettis won't waste the opportunity.

[Mr. IWS]

I got Pettis in that matchup. Alvarez gets tagged and hurt striking in almost every fight, Pettis won't waste the opportunity.

I agree.

It will be the only bet I will ever make under heavyweight that doesnt involve BJ penn.

[Thewisemann]

I like Pettis for sure.

[poopoo333]

I think Alvarez would probably get Pettis down and win a decision.

[MMA_scientist]

I will take Pettis. I don't think he is overrated, he is pretty good everywhere.

[Mr. IWS]

I think Alvarez would probably get Pettis down and win a decision.

He should, but I never see him do that. He is always content to slug it out and he gets dropped at least once every fight.

[edman5555]

Alvarez is pretty tough..I guess I would take either guy as a significant dog.

[Luke]

I will take Pettis. I don't think he is overrated, he is pretty good everywhere.

Clay freaking Guida........nuff said.

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/fights/5217.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[SPX]

I'd take Edgar at +140 probably.

[poopoo333]

Watching Edgar/Henderson I now. I really think the 2nd fight is going to be decided by who can get the takedown from round to round and spend more time on top/get some dominant positions. They are matched up so even standing up..Henderson does well with kicks, counters, and when it's up close. Edgar's boxing is so good too...he moves in and out and lands great combos consistently. Both guys can take each other down, but it really seems like they cannot hold each other down. Really close fight (again) imo. I am just surprised at Henderson's not so great T3D, for being such a big strong LW that is deemed a good wrestler, he gets taken down quite a bit from all of his opponents and was actually thrown to the floor from the clinch from a much smaller Edgar.

I give the edge to Henderson, but with this type of close fight, @+140 I think Edgar is the play but I wouldn't go big on either side.


Let's take a poll on this fight..who wins?

[SPX]

I think Bendo beats him again, but I agree that at the current line, it's Edgar or nothing. I thought that Bendo clearly beat him the first time around, but we all know about Edgar's propensity to improve when it comes to rematches.

[Thewisemann]

Edgar takes a close decision.

[poopoo333]

Yeah X, I believe Bendo clearly won the first fight as well although it was real close. But in such a close fight where I believe a few TDs from either fighter can make a difference in the next fight, I don't feel comfortable laying -167 or whatever it is right now.

[Luke]

If Edgar uses his TD's more this time he wins.

[poopoo333]

If Edgar uses his TD's more this time he wins.

::thumbup::

[poopoo333]

Jake Shields opened -230, -140 now. I really like him @MW, think he beats Herman

[SPX]

I fucking LOVE Shields at that line. If it holds then I will be all over it. I actually can't believe it's dropped. I thought it would get worse.

[poopoo333]

Luiz cane injured...now okami vs palhares

[SPX]

GOD! DAMN! IT!

I was going to win some serious money on Okami. I also wrote a breakdown of that fight for the magazine. FUCK!

[Ludo]

GOD! DAMN! IT!

I was going to win some serious money on Okami. I also wrote a breakdown of that fight for the magazine. FUCK!

Okami probably still wins that fight with the same gameplan he had with Munoz/Boetsch except he won't get caught in the third like a dumbass. That giant tard isn't beating Okami.

[zY|]

GOD! DAMN! IT!

I was going to win some serious money on Okami. I also wrote a breakdown of that fight for the magazine. FUCK!

Does that mean you don't get paid?

[SPX]

Does that mean you don't get paid?

Ha. No.

I have actually been doing a gambling article for them every month. For the most recent issue I did 5 fights . . . 3 of them have been canceled since the issue went to press. That's fucking ridiculous.

[poopoo333]

Frankie Edgar vs Ben Henderson - 5 rounds - UFC 150 propositions


Sat 8/11

1003 Edgar/Henderson goes 5 round distance

-260





11:30PM

1004 Fight won't go 5 round distance

+180





Sat 8/11

1005 Edgar wins inside distance

+650





11:30PM

1006 Not Edgar inside distance

-1350





Sat 8/11

1007 Edgar wins by 5 round decision

+197





11:30PM

1008 Not Edgar by 5 round decision

-277





Sat 8/11

1009 Henderson wins inside distance

+291





11:30PM

1010 Not Henderson inside distance

-411





Sat 8/11

1011 Henderson wins by 5 round decision

+143





11:30PM

1012 Not Henderson by 5 round decision

-183





Sat 8/11

1013 Edgar/Henderson draw

+5500





11:30PM

1014 Fight not a draw

-13500

[poopoo333]

Edgar by decision near +200 looks nice to me.

[SPX]

If you're going to bet Edgar, I'd agree that that's the way to go.

[mike]

Edgar by decision near +200 looks nice to me.

last fight was really close. this is a good bet imo.

[poopoo333]

According to BFO, Edgar by decision opened @+241

[poopoo333]

Will somebody log on 5dimes and see if it would allow them to bet $100 on Ben Henderson by decision @+143?

edit: nevermind. I have a $3 and some change wiseman special with that included and it takes that into account

[poopoo333]

Cerrone/Guillard is co main

[SPX]

That should be a good fight. If Cerrone can get him down, I think Melvin is almost certain to get subbed. But I'm not sure that Cerrone has the takedowns to get it to the ground.

[poopoo333]

I think Cerrone can outstrike him as well. I really think Guillard has declined since the split with Jacksons

[SPX]

It wouldn't be any kind of great shock to see Cerrone beat him in a kicboxing match, but on the feet the fight is MUCH closer and, I think, could go either way.

[edman5555]

Dont forget guillards power. That is a wild card that can cause anything.

[Luke]

Bol, Cerrone by domination

[zY|]

Good fight for Cowboy.

[SPX]

Good fight for Cowboy.

It was supposed to be a good fight for Dunham, too. And we know how that ended up.

[poopoo333]

Okami -240 Palhares +190

[SPX]

I expect money will be coming in on Palhares.

[poopoo333]

Yeah, me too. I think Okami wins this though, and probably fairly easily.

[poopoo333]

I have a Shields, Okami, Henderson/Edgar parlay at +200 bet so far...

How does Herman beat Shields??

[SPX]

I definitely think Shields is good for it. I'm actually pretty shocked at how low the line is. I'll definitely be on him.

[poopoo333]

It actually got down to -140 at one point for a few hours. I need to look at it some more but I will probably be putting a play on Shields at -170

[SPX]

I remember that. Would've been all over it if I could have.

I would go bet him right now on BM at -180 if not for the fact that I only have like $60 available there right now because of my recent withdrawal and need to keep it available for this weekend.

[poopoo333]

Champ Benson Henderson vs. Frankie Edgar (for lightweight title)
Donald Cerrone vs. Melvin Guillard
Ed Herman vs. Jake Shields
Yushin Okami vs. Rousimar Palhares
Chris Camozzi vs. Buddy Roberts
Jared Hamman vs. Michael Kuiper
Eiji Mitsuoka vs. Nik Lentz
Justin Lawrence vs. Max Holloway
Dennis Bermudez vs. Tom Hayden

[poopoo333]

For fights with no lines, at first glance I like:

Cerrone
Buddy Roberts
Nik Lentz (if he is under -350 we will be lucky imo)

[Ludo]

I'll take Cerrone, Okami, Lawrence and Bermudez assuming the lines aren't crazy.

[poopoo333]

Okami is -240 on Bookmaker, -250 on 5 dimes at the moment.

[edman5555]

Justin laurence is a really good kickboxer. 150 amateur fights and according to his ufc profile he has been training in his dads gym since he was a kid. Holloway is really weak in the grappling department. He might actually be a white belt.

[edman5555]

Lawrence is also a high school wrestler

[poopoo333]

Ed Herman vs Jake Shields - 3 rounds - UFC 150 propositions


Sat 8/11

1103 Herman/Shields goes 3 round distance

-210





11:00PM

1104 Fight won't go 3 round distance

+160





Rousimar Palhares vs Yushin Okami - 3 rounds - UFC 150 propositions


Sat 8/11

1203 Palhares/Okami goes 3 round distance

-120





10:30PM

1204 Fight won't go 3 round distance

-120

[poopoo333]

Palhares is injured. Buddy Roberts in vs Okami lmfao

[Dr_Ngo]

Sup guys.

My bets

3.7U to win 2U Shields over Herman

Actually considering betting more on this because the line's such a fucking steal (-180 right now). People seem to forget this guy's beaten Hendo, Okami, Condit, & Daley, and was not beaten for 6 years. He was shit at Welterweight because that's not his natural weight class. Who the fuck is Ed Herman?

1U to win 1.65U Edgar over Bendo

Betting this because of the great underdog odds. I think Edgar would've taken the last fight if it wasn't for that upkick. Edgar's a fucking beast at rematches. Schooled Penn in the rematch, and knocked out Maynard in #3. At +170 odds this is great. I want him to win since I'm betting money, but fuck me I don't want a Edgar Bendo immediate rematch scenario.

1U to win 2.5U Guillard over Cerrone.

Fucking +250? Are you serious? I know Guillard got his ass choked, but Cerrones ground game isn't on Lau or Miller's level. If this is gonna remain stand up then Guillard's gonna light him up.

Anyways I'm feeling pretty good about my bets.

[edman5555]

I agree with you about that upkick 100 percent. I mentioned it earlier and i totally agree it xhanged the tempo of that fight. Though i will say i would take frankie by decision for the better odds. I dont see him stopping bendo.

You may have a point about shields herman. Herman is pretty solid though. I wouldnt say who is ed herman?

Guillard is good at 250 for sure. He has more power standing and is hard to take down.

[mike]

just rewatched the Henderson-Edgar fight. Pple saying Edgar lost the fight bc of the upkick but i dont think so. Edgar likes to dance outside and jump in to strike. that worked well with BJ Penn and Maynard bc those guys dont throw kicks. Ben Henderson throw lots of hard kicks and they mostly landed. so Ben can hit Edgar from the outside and when Edgar closed the distance, Ben's hands are heavy also. So unless Edgar can figure out a way to deal with Henderson's kicks, he's gonna have a hard time winning again. Also he took Ben down quite a few times without much trouble but couldnt keep him down so if he can somehow keep Ben down, he can win there. Ben took Edgar down too but they're both hard to hold down. they both gonna make adjustments, and im aint betting lol.

[poopoo333]

^^I think Ben Henderson clearly won the first bet. I chased and had a lot of money on Edgar in that fight and I knew he wasn't going to get the decision at the end. I think Henderson's line at -190 is pretty steep, so possibly will be playing him by decision +118. I can see him getting the stoppage as well, but decision is most likely outcome

[poopoo333]

MAIN CARD (Pay-per-view, 10 p.m. ET)

Champ Benson Henderson vs. Frankie Edgar (for lightweight title)
Donald Cerrone vs. Melvin Guillard
Jake Shields vs. Ed Herman
Yushin Okami vs. Buddy Roberts
Justin Lawrence vs. Max Holloway

PRELIMINARY CARD (FX, 8 p.m. ET)

Dennis Bermudez vs. Tom Hayden
Jared Hamman vs. Michael Kuiper
Ken Stone vs. Erik Perez
Nik Lentz vs. Eiji Mitsuoka

PRELIMINARY CARD (Facebook, 7:30 p.m. ET)

Dustin Pague vs. Chico Camus



Lentz/Mitsuoka- I like Lentz in this one. After round 1 it's going to be all Lentz imo. I can see Mitsuoka keeping it a striking match in the first round and getting the better of it, but after Lentz "turns it into a fight" (something he has been doing lately) and starts to grapple, Mitsuoka will slow down and Lentz will do his thing. This is also Mitsuoka's first fight in the states since 2001. I don't expect Lentz to come out anything better than -315 though

Hamman/Kuiper- I like Hamman to win, Kuiper does not have the best T3D and Hamman should be able to put Kuiper on his back, beat him up/wear him out. Kuiper doesn't have the best cardio, but Hamman is one of those guys that can just fight through those "wars" and come out on top. Hamman has a questionable chin, so it wouldn't shock me if Kuiper clips and KOs him.

Okami/Roberts- ...come on son. Roberts is preliminary fighter on FX/Fuel card material and he is fighting a top 5 middleweight on short notice. Roberts has no advantage anywhere in this fight. I don't get how Okami is only -525 here when Davis was -750 to Prado.

Shields/Herman-I originally liked Shields here, and I still think he is going to win but I don't feel too comfortable betting on him in this one. I may have to look at Herman some more, but I honestly feel like Shields is going to be a much better fighter in the UFC at 185. Any thoughts on this fight? I see Shields being able to work his game here..getting TDs and staying glued to Herman. Herman might give Shields backers a few scares imo but Shields should still win

Cerrone/Guillard-Cerrone is better overall. A lot of people are saying Cerrone is just going to take Guillard down and sub him. I don't think this is the case...it's not like Cerrone is a great wrestler that just takes guys down. I think this fight will be a stand up fight and Cerrone will be the more active guy and will beat on Guillard and keep him at a decent distance. There always is that chance Cerrone gets clipped or out boxed..but the outboxed part is doubtful. He was getting outboxed by Paul Kelly and Chris Horodecki...that made me go huge on Nate Diaz against Cerrone..but than Cerrone seemed to patch that hole up in his game against Stephens.

will look at the rest later

but I am leaning plays on Lentz, Okami, Cerrone. I will probably parlay two of them and play one straight. So Okami/Lentz or Cerrone


looking at the rest tomorrow

[mike]

i like Lentz also. i think he'll win based on cardio alone. the japanese guy is really old too. staying away from the rest of the fights. just dont like the match ups. Also like Ken Stone and Max Holloway. and maybe Chico Camus if he's a huge underdog.

[edman5555]

Justin lawrence should be able to force a standup fight where he has the clear advantage in the striking department. I will be on him. I was also thinkin about a bet on lentz. I think he would go well in a parlay with okami.

[trotterz]

Justin lawrence should be able to force a standup fight where he has the clear advantage in the striking department. I will be on him. I was also thinkin about a bet on lentz. I think he would go well in a parlay with okami.

Did you ever watch a holloway fight? He is an extremely good striker. IF Lawrence can't get the fight down (which he will be trying a lot) , it is going to be a really close fight

[poopoo333]

Agree with Trotterz. It's a close fight, but I think edman may be overrating Lawrence's striking due to his experience/credentials

[trotterz]

Agree with Trotterz. It's a close fight, but I think edman may be overrating Lawrence's striking due to his experience/credentials

Exactly, I was not impressed by his striking agains't Cofer the wrestler. He was getting tagged a lot in that fight. As for any other of his fights in TUF, he always tried to wrestle his opponents. He always looks scared to get KO or too tentitive while he is fighting standing. Even agains't Chiesa who is extremely bad standing, Lawrence looked scared standing and was looking to bring the fight to the mat, even thought he had a huge edge in the striking department.
If he can get Holloway down, it's going to be an easy fight for him, but if he can't, I give the edge to Holloway standing

[edman5555]

Holloway looked good because his opponent looked so bad.

[mike]

Holloway looked good because his opponent looked so bad.

he beat Dustin Poirier on the feet forcing Poirier to shoot for td. Holloway stuff the first attemp but got taken down on 2nd attempt. Poirier striking is pretty rough put not that bad a striker. the thing with Hollowa is he likes to throw alot of flying knees. that can get him to be taken down at some point.

[poopoo333]

Melvin Guillard vs Donald Cerrone - 3 rounds - UFC 150 propositions


Sat 8/11

1103 Guillard/Cerrone goes 3 round distance

+175





10:30PM

1104 Fight won't go 3 round distance

-245





Ed Herman vs Jake Shields - 3 rounds - UFC 150 propositions


Sat 8/11

1203 Herman/Shields goes 3 round distance

-210





10:00PM

1204 Fight won't go 3 round distance

+160





Buddy Roberts vs Yushin Okami - 3 rounds - UFC 150 propositions


Sat 8/11

1303 Roberts/Okami goes 3 round distance

-170





9:30PM

1304 Fight won't go 3 round distance

+130





Max Holloway vs Justin Lawrence - 3 rounds - UFC 150 propositions


Sat 8/11

1403 Holloway/Lawrence goes 3 round distance

-155





9:00PM

1404 Fight won't go 3 round distance

+115

[poopoo333]

Don't think Cerrone/Guillard will go the distance. I'll play it -245

[poopoo333]

^^done

[edman5555]

Well I am going to have to disagree with your opinion in holloway. I think he is a one dimensional striker. Up against a superior striker.

[mike]

Well I am going to have to disagree with your opinion in holloway. I think he is a one dimensional striker. Up against a superior striker.
yeah we disagree on this but even then, i think even if Lawrence is a better striker, it is not that much better. I think Holloway is faster, for one.

[Ludo]

I don't remember Holloway winning the striking battle specifically. I remember not much going on standing up before Poirier went for the takedown because he was far and away the better ground fighter. Fighting smart doesn't equate to getting beaten in one area.

[mike]

check out these snapshots. Holloway landed 2 good counter left hooks and 2 straight right hands.. all this within the first minute. Poirier didnt land anything with his hands, only 2-3 low kicks. they both threw alot but missed alot and it was a fast pace striking match b4 Poirier took Holloway down.

[Ludo]

I just watched the fight again. Holloway MIGHT have been winning until the takedown but it's very much debatable and was by no means decisive. He was getting hit just as much as he was hitting Poirier. Poirier only threw 5 strikes on the ground and the strike count was even 11 to 11 according to zYmetric.com.

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/547.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[poopoo333]

Played Hamman to win a unit. I would have went bigger if his chin wasn't such a question mark.

[SPX]

Don't like this card for betting. Shields is the only one who stands out to me.

[edman5555]

I just watched the fight again. Holloway MIGHT have been winning until the takedown but it's very much debatable and was by no means decisive. He was getting hit just as much as he was hitting Poirier. Poirier only threw 5 strikes on the ground and the strike count was even 11 to 11 according to zYmetric.com.

I think its fair to say that fom what we have seen and the research that i have done that holloway is fairly one dimnsional. He wants to keep it standing and outstrike his opponent. Lawrence should be technically better standing due to his experience kickboxing. I also think he packs a lot more power. Holloway is 5'11" and this is 145 pounds. He is a skinny guy. He started training when he was 16. I doubt his technique is as sound as lawrences is with six iska titles.

[edman5555]

Am i the only one that thinks ed herman can take it? Ne seemed like his takedown defense was pretty decent against starks. His bjj is good too. I would think shields path to victory is outwrestling him for 3 rounds.

[poopoo333]

At the current line it's Herman or nothing for me.

[SPX]

Fuck that. Just dropped enough to win 1.5u on Shields.

Herman's solid, but certainly not a top fighter. Shields's stand up has been looking a lot better and we all know how good his grappling is.

[poopoo333]

Jake Shields admits he underrated Ed Herman for return to middleweight at UFC 150 (http://mmajunkie.com/news/30099/jake-shields-admits-he-underrated-ed-herman-for-return-to-middleweight-at-ufc-150.mma)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWdXQyDtqak&feature=player_embedded

[poopoo333]

Edgar +7.5 -140
Edgar Decision +242

^^I like those

[SPX]

Hey, y'all remember when Shields beat Hendo?

I do.

[SPX]

Edgar Decision +242


That's worth betting.

[edman5555]

I was just watching an interview with jake shields and he mentioned how the altitude in colorado takes a lot of energy out of him. That could benefit frankie edgar in the title fight. Bendo is a bit bigger and could tire. It makes me think about the rest of the fights.

[edman5555]

Ww i am reading some foum posts from people about being in the denver altitude and it seems like it makes a big difference.

[edman5555]

Well ufc 135 was in denver. Rampage made it four rounds. Maybe i should scrap this theory.

[Thewisemann]

Am i the only one that thinks ed herman can take it? Ne seemed like his takedown defense was pretty decent against starks. His bjj is good too. I would think shields path to victory is outwrestling him for 3 rounds.

I agree, Herman can definatly win this. I'm gonna look.into it, I may be betting him. And Hendo completely gasses in that fight.

[poopoo333]

Well, Jake Shields even said himself training has been rough since he got there. I think the theory is true....lots of fighters even say so. There is a reason why fighters relocate their camp to altitude as well

[SPX]

Well, Jake Shields even said himself training has been rough since he got there.

Is Herman somehow immune to this effect?

[poopoo333]

Is Herman somehow immune to this effect?

Not immune, but he trains there full time.

[mike]

Is Herman somehow immune to this effect?

i think Herman trains regularly somewhere in Colorado that is at high attitude also.
okay, PP beat me to it LOL

[SPX]

Is it just me or did Herman kind of look like shit before the sub in his last fight?

[poopoo333]

Is it just me or did Herman kind of look like shit before the sub in his last fight?

brb watching

[poopoo333]

Is it just me or did Herman kind of look like shit before the sub in his last fight?

No.

Starks is a big strong wrestler and was clinching Herman against the cage unable to get the TD. Starks landed some good single punches but nothing crazy... Herman ended up taking Starks down pretty easily when he decided to shoot on him at the end of round 1.

[poopoo333]

That's worth betting.

Definitely....think it's a great line. I also think Edgar's straight line is very appealing as well

[SPX]

I think that if Starks could do as well as he did then what the fuck do you think Shields is going to do?

BTW, in case anyone is confused, no one gave the first round to Herman. Junkie and Sherdog gave it to Starks across the board, as did I, with Junkie even saying that "it's an impressive one for Starks." He got beat, plain and simple, because he was very inexperienced when it came to good submission artists.

[SPX]

Definitely....think it's a great line. I also think Edgar's straight line is very appealing as well

I would want to get Edgar at +200 or better to bet him in any kind of way. Ignore these fools who say he was controlling fight until the upkick. Bendo was winning that shit clearly.

[poopoo333]

I think that if Starks could do as well as he did then what the fuck do you think Shields is going to do?

BTW, in case anyone is confused, no one gave the first round to Herman. Junkie and Sherdog gave it to Starks across the board, as did I, with Junkie even saying that "it's an impressive one for Starks." He got beat, plain and simple, because he was very inexperienced when it came to good submission artists.

Sure Starks won the round, but he didn't do anything. He pinned Herman against the cage and landed the better punches against Herman.

I think Shields will probably win, but I don't think it's a sure thing at all.


I would want to get Edgar at +200 or better to bet him in any kind of way. Ignore these fools who say he was controlling fight until the upkick. Bendo was winning that shit clearly.

I think Bendo won pretty clearly as well..I think he edged out rounds 2,3, 4 and lost 1 and 5. But the thing with this fight is that it is going to be a pretty close fight again, and it's likely to go to the judges. In a fight that I feel is going to a decision, going to be real close, with (more than likely) shitty judges...Edgar may be worth a shot at his line. However...I am probably going to be playing Edgar decision and I've already played Edgar +7.5 (which I love...may go bigger)

[edman5555]

Don't forget this fight is at altitude in denver so frankie could have an extra advantage in the cardio department.

[poopoo333]

Don't forget this fight is at altitude in denver so frankie could have an extra advantage in the cardio department.

Ben Henderson trains in Colorado though.

[edman5555]

Does he? Ok scratch that.

[edman5555]

That plus 7.5 line is the way to go.

[poopoo333]

Sat 8/11

1139 Guillard points handicap
+3½ +165






10:30PM

1140 Cerrone points handicap
-3½ -205







Sat 8/11

1339 Roberts points handicap
+3½ +320






9:30PM

1340 Okami points handicap
-3½ -425





I like these too. The Okami one is nice, don't think Roberts will take one round if it goes to a decision.

[poopoo333]

That plus 7.5 line is the way to go.

All the way to -165 now. I should have went all in @-115

[edman5555]

I dont know much about this buddy guy. Justin lawrence by tko is plus 615 on 5dimes.

[poopoo333]

Edman....lawrence +110...go get it, don't think it will get better

[edman5555]

Lawrence +3.5 points is -245 on bookmaker. I think that is a very good bet.

[edman5555]

on 5dimes i mean.

[poopoo333]

I like it too. If it goes to decision and Hollaway wins, I highly doubt he sweeps. Don't think Hollaway will get the stoppage, if he wins it will be a decision

[edman5555]

holloway doesnt really hit that hard and he is not a better striker. I doubt he gets the takedown on Lawrence when Cofer(a d1 wrestler who has alpha male on his wiki page) wasn't scoring. Lawrence also knocked out James Krause and Cristiano Marcello. They are both very experienced. This all adds up to Holloway being outclassed IMO. Holloway looked good in one fight and it was outstriking a wrestler with a much shorter reach than him.

[poopoo333]

Guillard misses weight. Have 6.5u parlay on Okami/Cerrone. Will make it 10u if I can get it under -200 still when Nik Lentz wins tomorrow night.

[edman5555]

I wouldnt be suprised to see mitsuoka win. He is a university wreslter as well. He was outstriking gomi before getting ko'd.

[poopoo333]

Mitsuoka might win round 1 at best...after that it will be all Lentz. Mitsuoka gassed at sea level in Japan after a round....what is going to happen against a grinder in Nik Lentz at altitude?

[poopoo333]

Oh and who cares about Gomi....he is a bum

[edman5555]

Mitsuoka might win round 1 at best...after that it will be all Lentz. Mitsuoka gassed at sea level in Japan after a round....what is going to happen against a grinder in Nik Lentz at altitude?

Ah really? Ok.

[SPX]

Someone mentioned on SD that it looks like Frankie is trying to pack on some muscle. Agree?


http://img.bnqt.com/CMS/mmajunkie/assets/ufc-150-henderson-edgar-2/frankie-edgar.jpg

[poopoo333]

From his last fight at UFC 144:

http://img.bnqt.com/CMS/mmajunkie/assets/ufc-144-edgar-henderson/frankie-edgar.JPG

[poopoo333]

Kind of hard to tell, because in the picture from today, the lighting/angle makes him look a lot better. But yeah...maybe he is slightly bigger than before

[mike]

he def looks more muscular. maybe he's looking to take Henderson down and wrestle him more.

[poopoo333]

^^That's his best bet imo. He was able to get the takedowns in the first fight, but he did nothing with them and Henderson got up pretty quickly.


Also, lock of the century:



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[SPX]

Hard to tell. I dunno.

I like Frankie, but I hope Bendo beats him. Better attitude . . . more exciting style . . . and more impressive physique.

I was on the Frankie bandwagon for a long time. I was shocked he beat Sherk and I touted him as the "lil' engine that could." He's a great fighter, but Bendo's a boss.

Gotta War Bendo here.

[mike]

i have 4u on Ken Stone so i hope Perez loses tomorrow :)

[poopoo333]

i have 4u on Ken Stone so i hope Perez loses tomorrow :)

It'll be a close fight imo...kind of think Perez will be able to avoid being on his back for a long period of time and be able to do damage on the feet. Not betting either of these guys straight just putting them in some degen hail mary parlays

[mike]

yeah i shouldnt have gone too heavy on Ken Stone. Hope he wins me money lol.

[mike]

thinking about putting more money on Holloway. i think his cardio is gonna win him this fight.

[poopoo333]

So when Cerrone beats Guillard tonight, we are going to see Cerrone vs Pettis...winner fights Diaz vs Henderson/Edgar

[MMA_scientist]

Edgar looks a little bigger, you can definitely see it in his traps.

I would like to see Pettis/Bendo II. Bendo is super awesome to watch, and so is Pettis. DIaz is going to get grapple raped by Bendo, but Pettis/Cerrone could be close.

[edman5555]

thinking about putting more money on Holloway. i think his cardio is gonna win him this fight.

why do you think his cardio is better?

[mike]

im just trying to troll u, edman LOL. but seriously, i think Lawrence gonna slow down with his style of putting alot of power into his every strikes

[edman5555]

Dont scare me. I am hoping he will be prepared. He is only 5'8" so 145 shouldnt be terrible. He trains at blackhouse too so hopefully he has got some good coaches.

[SPX]

For the record, everyone the Roundtable likes Lawrence to win and Breen is pretty shocked that he is at dog odds.

[poopoo333]

Edgar +195.....surprised so much money is coming in on Bendo. Kalikas said the sharp money has been coming in on Bendo too

[poopoo333]

If I am doing good by main event time I will drop a good sized bet on Edgar if he is +200 or better.

[poopoo333]

Shields down to -150

[Luke]

I think Shields is going to lose tonight.

[poopoo333]

I think Shields is going to lose tonight.

I think it'll be close. The other day I was considering a Herman play around +170. Not really a fight I am going to bet unless Shields is down to -120 or Herman is back up +180 or so

[Luke]

Edgar could lose tonight,but there's no reason he should be a 2-to-1 dog to anyone in the world.


And poopoo....you edmann'd

[poopoo333]

I tend to do that sometimes.

[poopoo333]

lol but only sometimes

[poopoo333]

yeah, agree with Luke on Edgar's line

[Luke]

..................................................

[Svino]

If Edgar learns what to do with a caught foot, Bendo is in trouble.

[edman5555]

Lol at the caught foot. The value is on frankie +7.5 points. What does he have to win there? One round? 49-46 49-46 49-46, becomes 49.5, 49.5, 46.5? What are the rules for the distribution of the 7.5 points?

[Mr. IWS]

Shields down to -150

Im leaning this way more and more.

[edman5555]

I think he can probably take herman down and he can probably survive a big shot on the feet. He made through the hbomb. Though he did get knocked out by ellenberger but he hits like a mac truck

[Vandelay]

Lol at the caught foot. The value is on frankie +7.5 points. What does he have to win there? One round? 49-46 49-46 49-46, becomes 49.5, 49.5, 46.5? What are the rules for the distribution of the 7.5 points?

49-46, 49-46, 49-46 is a difference of 9 and would result in a loss for that bet. He would need at least 2 rds on 2 of the judges cards and a rd on the third card to cover this.

[edman5555]

Ah ok.

[SPX]

Im leaning this way more and more.

I have enough on Shields already to win a unit and a half. If I could get him at -150 then I'd put even more on him.



I think he can probably take herman down and he can probably survive a big shot on the feet. He made through the hbomb. Though he did get knocked out by ellenberger but he hits like a mac truck

The Ellenberger knockout wasn't even a real knockout. You could even argue it was stopped a little early.

[Ludo]

I think he can probably take herman down and he can probably survive a big shot on the feet. He made through the hbomb. Though he did get knocked out by ellenberger but he hits like a mac truck

Shields' father died like a week before the Ellenberger fight as well, something to factor in. I doubt his head was in the right place for that one.

[Thewisemann]

Shields is a bum and Short fuse is gonna Fuck him up.

[edman5555]

Wow strong words wiseman. What is your opinion on lawrence holloway?

[SPX]

I'm not even really a Shields fan, but he's not a bum.

[Svino]

Shields' striking has been looking better and better. How many people thought he would do as well as he did against GSP on the feet? How many people thought he would outstrike Akiyama by such a large margin?

[Thewisemann]

Shields oustruck Akiyama? I didn't watch that fight I made something to eat while it was goin on. And he isn't a bum he just irritated me for some reason. And Idk edman never seen Lawrence fight and only seen Hollaway fight Poirier. Gun to my head I pick Hollaway.

[SPX]

Yeah, that's one reason I think he should be better everywhere than Herman. Herman is slow as shit and he's not as good of a grappler. So what advantages does he have?

[Luke]

I was on the Frankie bandwagon for a long time. I was shocked he beat Sherk and I touted him as the "lil' engine that could." He's a great fighter, but Bendo's a boss.

Gotta War Bendo here.


Speaking of Sherk, did that fucker die?

[Ludo]

Shields oustruck Akiyama? I didn't watch that fight I made something to eat while it was goin on. And he isn't a bum he just irritated me for some reason. And Idk edman never seen Lawrence fight and only seen Hollaway fight Poirier. Gun to my head I pick Hollaway.

Almost 3 to 1 in fact.

[Thewisemann]

My mind says Shields, my gut says Herman. No bet

[SPX]

Speaking of Sherk, did that fucker die?

I think so. Last I heard from him was several months ago when he showed up on Junkie Radio. He said he's been dealing with injuries but wanted to fight again this year. Doesn't look like it's going to happen.

He seems semi-retired to me at this point.

[poopoo333]

Tony Weeks gave R1 to Henderson and R2-R5 to Edgar. Other two judges gave R1, R3 and R4 to Henderson for the 48-47 win.

Horrible decision

[poopoo333]

http://vaughany.mysbrforum.com/photos/l/tUO44Lf3.jpg

[SPX]

Gulliard/Cerrone FOTN
Cerrone KOTN
Bermudez SOTN

[SPX]

Hindsight is 20/20. . .



Though Cavalcante's lost two of his last three, Thomson believes he is among the top lightweights in the world, saying "he should be ranked in the top five." But Thomson was just getting started, eventually taking aim at the WEC 155-pound champ, Ben Henderson.

"I think it's a joke that you guys have guys like Ben Henderson ranked above guys like JZ," he said. "You guys got to be freaking kidding me. This kid is a beast. The guy's a great fighter. He's well-rounded, has great ground and pound. He's fought Masato [Kobayashi] in K-1. Are you guys kidding me? Really?

"You guys have a guy named Ben Henderson ranked above this guy?" he continued. "You guys are out of your mind. This guy's a savage. He's good on the ground, he's got good submissions, he's got everything you need."

[Thewisemann]

I had Edgar winning 49-46 also. I was shocked when.it wasn't unanimous.

[Mr. IWS]

I'm not even really a Shields fan, but he's not a bum.

Im kinda in the same boat, but it does seem like all my friends hate the guy for some reason lol.

[Mr. IWS]

I had Edgar winning 49-46 also. I was shocked when.it wasn't unanimous.

I had it 3-2 myself.

Its fucked up for Frankie for sure, whats he gonna do now? He aint gonna get a title shot for a while. I think he will be moving down now.

[poopoo333]

I am picking Diaz to beat Henderson. However...his T3D doesn't even worry me...just his weakness against low kicks.

Cerrone/Pettis is going to be awesome..idk who wins.

Would like to see Guillard vs Varner, Okami vs Palhares, Shields vs Boetsch

[poopoo333]

Actually for those last two middleweight fights I wouldn't mind seeing any combo of them fighting each other except an Okami/Boetsch rematch

[Luke]

Shields-Okami

[edman5555]

yeah bendo leg kicks will be bad but diaz's reach is pretty long.

[poopoo333]

Have a feeling Diaz/Bendo will be UFC on FOX 5 main event. I hope Diaz is around +200.

[SPX]

Im kinda in the same boat, but it does seem like all my friends hate the guy for some reason lol.

Well, he's undoubtedly a boring motherfucker with a lackluster personality. But you can't doubt his abilities.

He's not going to be champ in the UFC at either weight, but he'll always be in the top 10 if not the top 5. No need to call a dude like that a bum.

[SPX]

Cerrone/Pettis is going to be awesome..idk who wins.


Pettis can take it, but he needs to come out and really take it to Cerrone. That is, he needs to be confident but also smart. Personally, I hope he wins. I'd love to see Bendo/Pettis II for the title.

[poopoo333]

I'd love to see Bendo/Pettis II for the title.

Yeah, I would love to see this as well. The first fight was probably my favorite fight of all time, if not...top 3 for sure. I think it's because I chased on Pettis betting and that fight was just so back and forth...and that last kick had me cream my pants

[SPX]

I think it's because I chased on Pettis betting. . .

Ha ha, I did the same fucking. Put an unusually large dog bet on Pettis at +170 and it hit. Good times, good times.

[poopoo333]

Ha ha, I did the same fucking. Put an unusually large dog bet on Pettis at +170 and it hit. Good times, good times.

Yeah. Funny...I have two fights I did this on and they were both Ben Henderson fights. I chased on Pettis against Henderson after saying all along Henderson was going to win. The other time was chasing on Ben Henderson at around +150 against Jim Miller, and I was set on Jim Miller winning that night but I figured since I was getting everything wrong I would just bet on the guy I thought would lose...and he dominated.

I actually remember getting into a little argument with you about that fight about how Miller was going to out box Henderson easy....oh boy was I wrong

[poopoo333]

damn my avatar is so sexy

[SPX]

The other time was chasing on Ben Henderson at around +150 against Jim Miller

I did that, too! BOL!!!!



I actually remember getting into a little argument with you about that fight about how Miller was going to out box Henderson easy....oh boy was I wrong

I can't say I remember that. I didn't necessarily think Bendo was going to win, but I thought he had a strong chance to pull it out. More than the line indicated at least.



damn my avatar is so sexy

She's a little too lean, in my opinion. Needs to take a page out of Gina's playbook and put on just a little fat.

[poopoo333]

I can't say I remember that. I didn't necessarily think Bendo was going to win, but I thought he had a strong chance to pull it out. More than the line indicated at least.

Yeah, I was basically like "ya Jim Miller is going to outstrike Bendo easy" but then I realized that won't matter if Bendo puts him on his back. Jim Miller has overrated wrestling imo, especially defensively. He reminds me of Rick Story..they are both grinders but they can easily be put on their back by even lesser wrestlers.

[MMA_scientist]

damn my avatar is so sexy

I was actually just thinking that I would not be surprised to scroll down that picture and see a huge cock dangling there.

[MMA_scientist]

Post event breakdown:


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[SPX]

Well that sucks because I was waiting for you to post your thoughts.

[MMA_scientist]

I am going to watch it tomorrow at the office. I was camping with the kids in the backyard last night.

[Mr. IWS]

LOLZ


If you're wondering what the brouhaha was during the presser, I'm told Frankie's mgr @alidominance and Bendo's mgr @malkikawa got into a scuffle. Not sure who won, but I'm told it was the opposite of the main event, if you catch my drift. For whatever it's worth, Ali and his team say he punched Malki in the face. It seems like they didn't like what he had to say after the main event, although, I'm not quite sure what was said.

from helwani's twitter

[poopoo333]

http://www.mmaoddsbreaker.com/news/mma-betting-recap-ufc-150-closing-numbers-in-progress-results/

[Luke]

Eiji Mitsuoka +400 ($70 on 10 bets)


Bhahahahhaahhaahahhaahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[poopoo333]

I noticed that too, BOL. With that little action on that side why didn't they jack the line up even more?

[Svino]

http://www.mmaoddsbreaker.com/news/mma-betting-recap-ufc-150-closing-numbers-in-progress-results/

Interesting to see that the house won almost every line. Usually with live betting, I range from winning a couple hundred to winning a couple thousand - almost ever negative. On these last two events, I've lost about 1k each. I guess not that many people took advantage of Henderson's closing line, which was +600 (at BookMaker anyway).