UFC on FX 5

[SPX]

Heavyweights Travis Browne, Antonio Silva to headline UFC on FX 5 in Minneapolis (http://mmajunkie.com/news/29899/heavyweights-travis-browne-antonio-silva-to-headline-ufc-on-fx-5-in-minneapolis.mma)
Discuss.

[poopoo333]

Good match up and hard to call. Would like to see Bigfoot win though.

[MMA_scientist]

Agree it is hard to call that one. If Bigfoot shows up in top form, he should win I think. But if the Bigfoot that fought Cormier shows up, Browne wins.

I would like to see Browne win though.

[Mr. IWS]

I am really starting to Like Browne the more I see of him. Seems like a really good athlete, and gets better every time out. I kinda like him in this one.

[SPX]

Browne is pretty good. I remember I had 5u on Kongo when they fought and I was pretty surprised by how well Browne was able to do against him. Just looking at him, Browne doesn't look like the kind of guy who would be a top heavyweight, but I guess he's becoming one. He looks like one of those guys who'd win a few and lose a few and then probably get cut.

With all that said, I think I very slightly favor Bigfoot. That may be the fan in me talking, though. I would like to see Bigfoot get the W here.

Scientist, why do you want to see Browne win? I've never seen him do any BJJ.

[MMA_scientist]

Scientist, why do you want to see Browne win? I've never seen him do any BJJ.

yep, because I only like JJ fighters. I only like a couple of fighters that you would probably consider "bjj" guys... most of my favorite fighters throughout time are wrestler/brawlers.

But in this case, it is not that I like Browne, it is that I do not like Bigfoot.

[SPX]

Okay, well why don't you like Bigfoot? The dude's always seemed cool and amiable to me.

[MMA_scientist]

Okay, well why don't you like Bigfoot? The dude's always seemed cool and amiable to me.

because of the steroids

[SPX]

I think that if you're going to let steroids influence your fandom then you're going to end up without any fighters you can be a fan of.

[MMA_scientist]

I think that if you're going to let steroids influence your fandom then you're going to end up without any fighters you can be a fan of.

I am fine with that.

[poopoo333]

UFC official tells me the fight between Jake Ellenberger and Jay Hieron will now take place as the co-main of UFC on FX 5, Oct. 5.

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[poopoo333]

Shane Roller Vs. Jacob Volkmann, Danny Castillo Vs. Michael Johnson Moved To UFC On FX 5

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[zY|]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KjSrnZRg6s

[SPX]

Old, but still good.

What's particularly interesting about that video is that it was apparently dude's laugh that clued Sonnen into the fact that the program was on the air. So I guess that's his on-air laugh.

[zY|]

I'm quite sure Sonnen planned it.

[SPX]

Maybe, but I'm not sure. His reaction really seems pretty natural to me.

[zY|]

Dude, it's Señor Chael P Sonnen! Everything is a bit.

[poopoo333]

Browne -280 Bigfoot +200

[zY|]

Really? Why do people think Travis Browne is good?

[SPX]

Undefeated. Fought to a draw with Kongo. KOd Struve. Has a win over Sylvia-killer Abe Wagner.

I actually think he's pretty good. He's at least better than you would think by just looking at him. I'm not sure about him beating Bigfoot, though. And if by some chance he ever fights JDS or Cain then he'll get slaughtered.

[poopoo333]

He is a quick and athletic HW fighter, but I am not sold on his overall skill set yet. Would like to see Bigfoot win this and I think he shouldn't be +250 at all

[mike]

i feel the same way, pp. he seems to be improving steadily since training with Jacksons and that camp is all about finding holes in the opponents. DO you guys think he can take bigfoot down ? On the feet, i think he has faster hands and footwork but his striking is still sloppy.

[poopoo333]

I don't think he will even try to take Bigfoot down, I think he will use his movement/agility to get in and out with strikes. I can see Bigfoot implementing a similar gameplan that he did against AA...smother Browne against cage and dirty box. But I do believe Browne may be able to beat Bigfoot to the punch every single time...Bigfoot is real slow.

[zY|]

Bigfoot should take him down.

[poopoo333]

Bigfoot should take him down.

Yeah I agree..that will be his best option

[edman5555]

Tough one to call.

[poopoo333]

Travis Browne vs. Antonio Silva
Jake Ellenberger vs. Jay Hieron
John Dodson vs. Jussier Formiga
Josh Neer vs. Justin Edwards
Yves Edwards vs. Jeremy Stephens
Danny Castillo vs. Michael Johnson
Dennis Hallman vs. Thiago Tavares
Shane Roller vs. Jacob Volkmann
Diego Nunes vs. Bart Palaszewski
Phil Harris vs. Darren Uyenoyama
Mike Pierce vs. Aaron Simpson
Marcus LeVesseur vs. Carlo Prater

[Ludo]

Travis Browne vs. Antonio Silva
Jake Ellenberger vs. Jay Hieron
John Dodson vs. Jussier Formiga
Josh Neer vs. Justin Edwards
Yves Edwards vs. Jeremy Stephens
Danny Castillo vs. Michael Johnson
Dennis Hallman vs. Thiago Tavares
Shane Roller vs. Jacob Volkmann
Diego Nunes vs. Bart Palaszewski
Phil Harris vs. Darren Uyenoyama
Mike Pierce vs. Aaron Simpson
Marcus LeVesseur vs. Carlo Prater

[poopoo333]

Ludo, why Roller?

[SPX]

And why Pierce? I favor him to beat Simpson.

[Ludo]

Ludo, why Roller?

I don't think Volkman can take him down, and I think Shane has at least the power striking edge.

[Ludo]

And why Pierce? I favor him to beat Simpson.

I just don't think Pierce can make it as ugly as he needs to with a much bigger Simpson who's also got a good right hand.

[SPX]

I actually think Pierce is the better striker and the wrestling should cancel out.

[poopoo333]

I think Volkmann will be able to get Roller down....guess we just have differing opinions. I am going to actually look at this card and watch vids and stuff unlike I did for today's card.

Without looking at this card:

I think Browne will be too athletic and too quick for Silva. However, I am not ruling Silva out at all. I actually believe I am overrating Browne right now and underrating Silva. I have to watch their fights to make a conclusion on how their styles actually match up together.

Castillo might be able to get Johnson down and win a decision..but Johnson has actually looked much improved (that makes one of the blackzilians)

Pierce/Simpson....going to be a snoozer. I give the edge to Mike Pierce.

Hallman +200 looks good to me. Dat dere wrestler value.

Justin Edwards to beat Neer at + odds...Dat dere wrestler value.

That's all. I am going to start watching film from the prelims up tomorrow

[mike]

i think Jeremy Stephens will KO Yves Edwards. Edwards is a pretty good striker but his chin is pretty bad now.

[SPX]

I think that fight's hard to call. Stephens can KO anyone, but I don't know if he's technical enough to win a decision.

[edman5555]

Mike pierce is pretty good, so is simpson. I would think this one is super close. That's a good point about simpson being bigger. I do wonder if he will tire faster because of that though.

[Ludo]

Mike pierce is pretty good, so is simpson. I would think this one is super close. That's a good point about simpson being bigger. I do wonder if he will tire faster because of that though.

It would depend on Simpson's cut to 170(which so far hasn't looked too bad). He used to be able to go 3 rounds with alot of clinching and wrestling at 185 so assuming he doesn't kill himself making 170, and it doesn't appear he does, he should have to stamina to do his thing for 3 rounds with Pierce.

[poopoo333]

Really hoping for a close line on Volkmann...going to bet him for sure unless he is -200 or some shit

[SPX]

Travis Browne vs. Antonio Silva
Jake Ellenberger vs. Jay Hieron
John Dodson vs. Jussier Formiga
Josh Neer vs. Justin Edwards - ?
Yves Edwards vs. Jeremy Stephens - ?
Danny Castillo vs. Michael Johnson
Dennis Hallman vs. Thiago Tavares
Shane Roller vs. Jacob Volkmann
Diego Nunes vs. Bart Palaszewski - ?
Phil Harris vs. Darren Uyenoyama - ?
Mike Pierce vs. Aaron Simpson
Marcus LeVesseur vs. Carlo Prater - ?

[poopoo333]

Travis Browne vs. Antonio Silva
Jake Ellenberger vs. Jay Hieron
John Dodson vs. Jussier Formiga -just a lean..need to really look at this
Josh Neer vs. Justin Edwards
Yves Edwards vs. Jeremy Stephens -fairly slight lean..would like to bet a possible decision prop
Danny Castillo vs. Michael Johnson-another slight lean
Dennis Hallman vs. Thiago Tavares
Shane Roller vs. Jacob Volkmann
Diego Nunes vs. Bart Palaszewski- gotta look at it
Phil Harris vs. Darren Uyenoyama
Mike Pierce vs. Aaron Simpson- this is going to be a -115/-115 type of deal...coin flip fight, very hard to call. decision prop..but it will be -300 or worse
Marcus LeVesseur vs. Carlo Prater- wut

[poopoo333]

For the record, I originally picked Browne to win and still think he probably wins...but starting to lean Bigfoot at current odds. I have a strong feeling I am overrating Browne and underrating Silva

[SPX]

Maybe I think Bigfoot's better than he is, but I always go back to his fight with Werdum and his win over Fedor.

I mean shit, if he can beat Fedor, surely he can beat Travis Browne. Right?

[poopoo333]

I think the fight gets real interesting if Browne does not hurt Silva early. Browne has showed conditioning issues in the past (Kongo fight, Broughton fight). I also think that Kongo was able to clinch up with Browne and actually win the fight if there was no point deduction. Silva is a much bigger guy than Kongo and if he implements the same game plan I think he might possibly be able to make it look similar to the Arlovski fight. I will definitely be betting Silva +200...not sure which way the line is moving though.

[SPX]

I wish Sportsbook would go ahead and open the line up. I'd probably even bet Bigfoot at +150.

[MMA_scientist]

Travis Browne vs. Antonio Silva
Jake Ellenberger vs. Jay Hieron
John Dodson vs. Jussier Formiga
Josh Neer vs. Justin Edwards
Yves Edwards vs. Jeremy Stephens
Danny Castillo vs. Michael Johnson
Dennis Hallman vs. Thiago Tavares
Shane Roller vs. Jacob Volkmann
Diego Nunes vs. Bart Palaszewski
Phil Harris vs. Darren Uyenoyama
Mike Pierce vs. Aaron Simpson
Marcus LeVesseur vs. Carlo Prater

- all guesses in the dark

[mike]

Maybe I think Bigfoot's better than he is, but I always go back to his fight with Werdum and his win over Fedor.

I mean shit, if he can beat Fedor, surely he can beat Travis Browne. Right?

just from memory, i think he beat Fedor by taking Fedor down and gnp. I dont think he can take Browne down and probably not gonna outstrike Browne. Maybe Browne will gas and loses the later rounds but Im leaning Browne. No Bet for me though with that odds.

[SPX]

Browne still hasn't beaten anyone who's really great. His best win is clearly Struve, who he just happened to hit with a sledge-hammer in the first round. No telling how that fight would've ended up if it had gone the distance.

Also, as PP pointed out, Browne basically lost to Kongo.

Now, I'm not saying that I EXPECT Bigfoot to win, but Bigfoot is definitely the more proven fighter here. I wouldn't be too shocked to see him outstrike Brown and I also wouldn't be shocked if he is in fact able to get Brown down in rounds 2 and 3.

[mike]

yeah if i would make a bet, its bigfoot or no bet. i've changed my betting strategy a bit, for the most part, only bet on fights i really like. if i feel a lil hesitant to place a bet, that's telling me that a no bet. its been working out pretty well for me.

[edman5555]

yeah if i would make a bet, its bigfoot or no bet. i've changed my betting strategy a bit, for the most part, only bet on fights i really like. if i feel a lil hesitant to place a bet, that's telling me that a no bet. its been working out pretty well for me.

Yeah its hard to bet instinct. The best thing you can do is post all your thoughts in their entirety and look to see what people have to say against them. If someone disproves a thought you have then you can base a decision of that. Just my opinion. Bouncing my opinions off others always seemed to work well for me.

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/579.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[poopoo333]

Edwards all motherfucking day at that line

[MMA_scientist]

surprised to see some of those lines. I though Roller/Volkmann and Simpson/Pierce would be even. MIght have to take the dogs there. I wanted to bet Darren Unem...ma. but to hell with -370.

[MMA_scientist]

Edwards all motherfucking day at that line

Agreed. That's a bet @ +260. Neer can be wrestled up.

[SPX]

Just bet Bigfoot, Castillo and Bartimus.

Pierce is too high.

Simpson, Yves and Roller might be worth a look, but I'm staying away for now.

[poopoo333]

And Simpson +170 in a near coinflip fight???

[SPX]

Is it really a coin flip? Maybe it is.

But I really kind of expect Pierce to beat him. Simpson's hands aren't THAT great and I don't think this size advantage y'all keep talking about (he was never a big middleweight) will give him much, if any, edge in the wrestling department.

But I do agree that at those odds it's Simpson or nothing.

[MMA_scientist]

I think it will be a clinch fest, the wrestling and striking are both about even IMO. I don't see why Pierce should be favored personally.

[SPX]

So you're betting Simpson?

[MMA_scientist]

Yeah probably.

[MMA_scientist]

Browne/Bigfoot can't possibly go the distance can it?

[SPX]

Bigfoot/AA did.

[MMA_scientist]

Bigfoot/AA did.

3 rounds. This is 5 rounds. I don't know... if it stays standing, I could see it I guess.

[poopoo333]

I believe it can....way more likely than Struve/Miocic imo

[poopoo333]

Scientist what are you discussing the fights? You stopped gambling, remember?

[Svino]

I will probably be on Pierce at -160. I think his striking is better, and he's been facing tougher opposition.

[Vandelay]

Couple thoughts...

Travis Browne vs. Antonio Silva

Browne is pretty athletic, powerful and he movs well. However he also has shown to have poor cardio,. He hasnt fought anyone near the level of guys that Silva has fought. Nor has he fought a grappler. On the other side, Silva has been struggling lately. His takedowns are average, he gets hit alot, he is slow, and no power standing. If this stays standing it wont be close. Another thing I noticed is that Browne's offense is largely nullified when his opponent walks forward. If silva can stalk Browne, pressure him, and clinch/attempt takedowns throughout the fight than I think he wins. I like silva at these odds and will probably be betting him. I do not see this going the distance either and will probably parlay it with Thiago Santos on Bellators card.

Jake Ellenberger vs. Jay Hieron

Rd 1 Ellenberger is one of the best fighters in the world. Value lies with Hieron and I can see him taking a decision here through counter punching and wrestling both offensively and defensively. Hieron has arguably won his last 12 fights in a row including wins over Rick Hawn, Brent Weedman, and Ben Askren. Talent wise this is close. Hieron's chin isnt the best and this along with Ellenbergers hype is what is causing this line to be inflated. Again I will probably be on the dog though.

Danny Castillo vs. Michael Johnson

Johnson has developed some solid tdd which coupled with his good striking has made him a pretty good prospect. Castillo is one-dimensional. Standup isn't very good and not really much of a sub threat. Johnson has proven to have suspect cardio in the past and faded late in many of his fights. I do believe Johnson wins and I hope the line comes down.

Shane Roller vs. Jacob Volkmann

Roller isn't very good. He does have power and decent subs though. Volkmann is really one-dimensional and can only win a dec imo.

Diego Nunes vs. Bart Palaszewski

Never really thought much of Bart. Think nunes takes this one.

Mike Pierce vs. Aaron Simpson

Pierce is always in close fights. I think he has the edge in this one but probably wont bet it unless it drops under -150. Dec prop will probably be like -300.

[poopoo333]

Pretty much agree with you/see where you are coming from on every single one.

I might take a stab at Castillo though.

[poopoo333]

Watching weigh ins now....Simpson has a huge size advantage.

[Vandelay]

Ellenberger looked awful. and lol at hallman not even weighing in

[poopoo333]

According to Tavares, he won't be fighting tomorrow because Hallman was way over weight.

Damn. I loved Hallman +200. He is going to get cut..the underwear thing, missing weight at 140, and today.

I didn't see Ellenberger..he look real bad?

[poopoo333]

Guess Hallman was 7 lbs overweight, Tavares said he would fight him if he got down to only 3 lbs over the limit...Hallman couldn't do it.

[poopoo333]

Also, Bigfoot Silva weighed in at 266. Browne 246. Bigfoot will probably be 285 tomorrow night and have a 40 lb size advantage.

[poopoo333]

Justin Edwards vs Josh Neer - 3 rounds - UFC on FX 5 propositions


Fri 10/5

1203 Edwards/Neer goes 3 round distance

-105





8:30PM

1204 Fight won't go 3 round distance

-135





John Dodson vs Jussier Formiga - 3 rounds - UFC on FX 5 propositions


Fri 10/5

1303 Dodson/Formiga goes 3 round distance

-195





8:00PM

1304 Fight won't go 3 round distance

+155





Jeremy Stephens vs Yves Edwards - 3 rounds - UFC on FX 5 propositions


Fri 10/5

1403 Stephens/Edwards goes 3 round distance

-170





7:30PM

1404 Fight won't go 3 round distance

+130





Michael Johnson vs Danny Castillo - 3 rounds - UFC on FX 5 propositions


Fri 10/5

1503 Johnson/Castillo goes 3 round distance

-210





7:00PM

1504 Fight won't go 3 round distance

+160





Thiago Tavares vs Dennis Hallman - 3 rounds - UFC on FX 5 propositions


Fri 10/5

1603 Tavares/Hallman goes 3 round distance

+125





6:30PM

1604 Fight won't go 3 round distance

-165





Shane Roller vs Jacobe Volkmann - 3 rounds - UFC on FX 5 propositions


Fri 10/5

1703 Roller/Volkmann goes 3 round distance

-175





6:00PM

1704 Fight won't go 3 round distance

+135

[poopoo333]

Roller/Volkman -175, Stephens/Edwards -170, and the midgets -195 to go distance are props I like.

[poopoo333]

Love the Edwards/Stephens one though

[Vandelay]

His eyes were fucked up. I don't know it just looked weird.

[poopoo333]

Formiga looked to have a tough cut.

[SPX]

Damn, you can pretty much guarantee that's the end of Hallman in the UFC. Nigga should've stayed at 170.

[poopoo333]

I guess Helwani had the facts wrong:

@arielhelwani (https://twitter.com/arielhelwani) get your facts straight, I was three over at time of weigh ins and still had two hours. I am out of fight for personal reasons

@arielhelwani (https://twitter.com/arielhelwani) I was 2 and 1/2 over at weigh ins but am having personal issues. The UFC is helping me thru my problem. God bless @danawhite (https://twitter.com/danawhite)

[SPX]

Hmm, I wonder what that's all about. He made the flight and is at least close enough to weight that Tavares will fight but is bailing because of personal reasons? That's interesting.

[poopoo333]

Ellenberger before weigh ins

http://vaughany.mysbrforum.com/photos/l/k3muMi1s.jpg

[poopoo333]

The Dennis Hallman vs. Thiago Tavares lightweight fight, scheduled to take place Friday night on the UFC on FX 5 prelims, has been canceled because Hallman failed to make weight Thursday.

This marks the second straight fight Hallman failed to make weight for, however, the 16-year-veteran told MMAFighting.com following the weigh-ins that his misstep was related to a personal issue.

"I'm having some personal issues at home," Hallman said. "I'm not fit to fight. I told Dana [White] what my issues were. He understands family matters, and he was cool with me not fighting."

According to Hallman he passed out earlier today while cutting weight. At that time, he was two pounds over the 156-pound weight limit. He was then given fluids via an intravenous, which bumped him up to seven pounds over the lightweight limit.

When Tavares was notified of this news, he said that if Hallman got down to three pounds over the limit, he would accept the fight at a catchweight. Hallman told MMAFighting.com that he did just that, but according to Hallman, Tavares then asked for him to cut one more pound.

It was at that point that Hallman spoke to White about his personal issues and requested to be removed from the card. He said White was very understanding when he told him about his issues, which he wanted to keep private.

According to Hallman, who also said he has not been released from his contract, he will be paid his show money. UFC sources told MMAFighting.com earlier in the day that Tavares will receive his show money as well.

Hallman, a veteran of over 80 professional MMA fights, is the longest-tenured fighter on the current UFC roster. He is coming off a first-round submission win over John Makdessi at UFC 140, a lightweight fight he missed weight for by two and a half pounds.

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[Mr. IWS]

I cant believe he is paying Hallman his show money. If he was having personal problems, he shoulda said something a few weeks ago.

[poopoo333]

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[poopoo333]

I cant believe he is paying Hallman his show money. If he was having personal problems, he shoulda said something a few weeks ago.

I was surprised as well...I was thinking about something else...these guys were all taken care of for the 151 cancellation as well.

[SPX]

Eh, you never know. Maybe Hallman was doing all he could to try not to fuck the UFC and Tavares but in the end he just couldn't do it. We don't know the backstory.

[Vandelay]

http://www.combatlifestyle.com/pics/albums/100412ufc/1076.jpg http://www.combatlifestyle.com/pics/albums/100412ufc/1077.jpg

Am I imagining things?

[Mr. IWS]

Eh, you never know. Maybe Hallman was doing all he could to try not to fuck the UFC and Tavares but in the end he just couldn't do it. We don't know the backstory.

dont fuck with me when Im speculating........

[Vandelay]

When was the last time this guy got some sleep?

[SPX]

dont fuck with me when Im speculating........



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[SPX]

When was the last time this guy got some sleep?


He does look a little fucked up.

[poopoo333]

"They are cutting me," he wrote. "Dana [White] gave me my show and win pay to help me deal with the mountain in front of me. Now I have to go make weight a couple times on the regional circuit. I'll be back to the UFC though, I always am."
"I'm having some personal issues at home," Hallman said. "I'm not fit to fight. I told Dana [White] what my issues were. He understands family matters, and he was cool with me not fighting."

[SPX]

Well at least he's got some cash. I hope that whatever it is he's dealing with is something he can overcome.

[poopoo333]

I wonder if he is trying to get his lisp surgically removed.

[poopoo333]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-auovN0n_XjU/UG4BAfaMhMI/AAAAAAAARXI/3ZIdai1zBT8/s1600/12+Travis+Browne++vs.+Antonio+Silva.gif

[SPX]

Holy shit, I just realized that this is tonight and not tomorrow.

[SPX]

WTF? Sherdog says this shit's about to kick off but my guide doesn't have it listed until fucking 9 o'clock.

When does everyone else have it coming on FX?

[Svino]

WTF? Sherdog says this shit's about to kick off but my guide doesn't have it listed until fucking 9 o'clock.

When does everyone else have it coming on FX?

I think it's supposed to go on FX at 8:00 EST.

[SPX]

So the FX broadcast is going to be on a delay?

[Svino]

So the FX broadcast is going to be on a delay?

I think it's supposed to be live at 8:00 PM EST on FX

[Svino]

The first facebook prelims are supposed to start at 4:30, then there are some on Fuel.

[SPX]

Yeah, so the FX broadcast isn't going to be live then. . .

I mean, they're not going to do the prelims and then wait a few hours for the main card.

[Svino]

Yeah, so the FX broadcast isn't going to be live then. . .

I mean, they're not going to do the prelims and then wait a few hours for the main card.

?????

There should be at least 3.5 hours of prelims and that, starting at 4:30, would take us right to 8:00.

[Svino]

Check that: Although UFC officials have made no comment about Jeremy Stephens' arrest (http://mmajunkie.com/news/30985/ufc-on-fx-5s-jeremy-stephens-arrested-bout-with-yves-edwards-in-jeopardy.mma) earlier today, his fight with Yves Edwards has been removed from the UFC.com fight card. Tonight's event is now likely to begin at 5 p.m. ET

[SPX]

?????

There should be at least 3.5 hours of prelims and that, starting at 4:30, would take us right to 8:00.

FX doesn't have it on here until 9 pm.

[Luke]

FX doesn't have it on here until 9 pm.

then your shit is an hour late

[Svino]

It occurs to me that BookMaker made the same mistake two main events in a row: assuming that a giant heavyweight couldn't knock out their opponent. Silva and Struve were both +800 to win by KO/TKO.

[SPX]

Shane Roller says he's retiring following UFC on FX 5 loss to Jacob Volkmann (http://mmajunkie.com/news/31020/shane-roller-says-hes-retiring-following-ufc-on-fx-5-loss-to-jacob-volkmann.mma)

[SPX]

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