UFC 155

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/585.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[SPX]

Staying away from both of those for now.

[MMA_scientist]

I will take Forrest at +205. I thought it would be close to even. Damn people overestimate Sonnen a lot.

[SPX]

I really think Sonnen will win, but at that line it's Forrest or nothing. For me it will be nothing.

[Ludo]

I'm with X. No bet.

[SPX]

I'm with X. No bet.

In vino veritas.

[SPX]

Goddamn it, Ludo. If you don't give me a proper reply then we're not friends anymore. And you know, Ludo . . . if I thought you weren't my friend . . . I just don't think I could bear it.

[Ludo]

Goddamn it, Ludo. If you don't give me a proper reply then we're not friends anymore. And you know, Ludo . . . if I thought you weren't my friend . . . I just don't think I could bear it.


You don't even drink wine!

[SPX]

Jesus, Ludo. CLEARLY the response I'm looking for is, "Age quod agis."

Didn't you say Tombstone is like your favorite movie of all time?

[Ludo]

Credat Judaeus Sotella non ego

[SPX]

Indeed. Well no choice but to finish it up now. . .

Iuventus stultorum magister.

[poopoo333]

http://fashionindie.lookbooks.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/exterface_unicorn_11.jpg

[SPX]

Now THAT is really something.

[edman5555]

Forrest is very big. I wonder how Sonnen will stack up against him. Either way this should be interesting. I'd like to see what Griffin can do off his back. I favor Sonnen in this one but I would like to see the size difference at the weigh ins. Tito has always been able to get forrest down up until the point he gasses. Interesting. I don't see Chael submitting him and I doubt he knocks him out. Chael be decision is probably the bet to take if you want to bet Chael. Griffin probably wont knock out Chael given his chin but I wouldn't be shocked to see a sub. I might be slightly suprised but not shocked.

[SPX]

Like you say, Tito has always been able to get Forrest down, so I don't have a lot of doubt that Chael will.

[MMA_scientist]

Forrest is very big. I wonder how Sonnen will stack up against him. Either way this should be interesting. I'd like to see what Griffin can do off his back. I favor Sonnen in this one but I would like to see the size difference at the weigh ins. Tito has always been able to get forrest down up until the point he gasses. Interesting. I don't see Chael submitting him and I doubt he knocks him out. Chael be decision is probably the bet to take if you want to bet Chael. Griffin probably wont knock out Chael given his chin but I wouldn't be shocked to see a sub. I might be slightly suprised but not shocked.

You do know that Forrest has already submitted Sonnen off his back once before right? They are both different fighters, but he can totally do it.

[MMA_scientist]

Like you say, Tito has always been able to get Forrest down, so I don't have a lot of doubt that Chael will.

The only thing that makes me wonder is the size. Tito is huge. But yeah, I do think he will be able to get him down too. Sonnen will probably win.

[Luke]

You do know that Forrest has already submitted Sonnen off his back once before right? They are both different fighters, but he can totally do it.

That really has no bearing on this fight, it was 9 years ago.

[edman5555]

That really has no bearing on this fight, it was 9 years ago.

I saw the video a couple days ago. I also agree it doesn't have much of a bearing on this fight. That said, Chael gets subbed all the time. I read he was training pretty hardcore with Vinny Magaeles or whatever his last name is for the Anderson Silva fight. I guess it is probably unlikely he gets submited. I do wonder if Forrest can stop the takedown. I feel like he might be a lot bigger.

[poopoo333]

Joe Lauzon vs Gray Maynard....nice

[poopoo333]

UFC 155 Opening Odds: Grey Maynard (-275) vs Joe Lauzon (+205)

[Ludo]

UFC 155 Opening Odds: Grey Maynard (-275) vs Joe Lauzon (+205)

Lauzon's going to die.

[poopoo333]

Chris Weidman Vs. Tim Boetsch Booked For UFC 155

[SPX]

I hate to say it, but Weidman should win. It may be the first time I bet him IF his line is reasonable.

[poopoo333]

Chris Weidman is going to steam roll Boetsch. I figured they'd give him Belcher, but he'd win that easy anyways.

[SPX]

Yes, and Okami was going to steamroll Boetsch . . . and Lombard was going to steamroll Boetsch . . .

We should just acknowledge the obvious fact that Boetsch is going to be the next MW champion.

[poopoo333]

Yes, and Okami was going to steamroll Boetsch . . . and Lombard was going to steamroll Boetsch . . .

We should just acknowledge the obvious fact that Boetsch is going to be the next MW champion.

I bet on Boetsch in both of those fights.

[SPX]

My point still stands.

[Luke]

Weidman -400

[SPX]

Your mom $3 for blowjob, $5 for salad toss.

[poopoo333]

Weidman -400

I hope.

[poopoo333]

Chris Leben Returns at UFC 155 to Face Karlos Vemola

Vemola might win round 1...then he will die

[SPX]

That's going to be an interesting fight. I actually kind of like Vemola, but War Leben.

[poopoo333]

Alan Belcher Vs. Yushin Okami 2 On Tap For UFC 155

...

[SPX]

That's an interesting fight. It's one of those where I don't want to see either guy lose, though.

I hope Belcher is 100%.

[poopoo333]

Weidman -375. Value.

[poopoo333]

Weidman -375. Value.

He is holding -375 on Bookmaker/Bet DSI. He is -475ish or worse everywhere else. If you're going to bet Weidman, may as well get him at -375 now. The only problem is the $250 betting limit for the line on bookmaker.

[poopoo333]

Just put $100 on Cain/JDS goes distance +1000. LOCK

[poopoo333]

Anybody like Chael/Forrest goes distance @ -170?

[poopoo333]

*Breaking* According to industry insider "Mac", Stephan Bonnar will step in for Chael Sonnen at UFC 155 to face Forrest Griffin on 12.29

,,,,,

[SPX]

That makes a lot of sense.

[poopoo333]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYPGAoNyOkE

[poopoo333]

Although JDS won in like a minute last time, I really think this fight is being overlooked.

[SPX]

Everyone wants to see JDS/Overeem.

[poopoo333]

Everyone wants to see JDS/Overeem.

JDS easy. Cain/JDS is way more interesting to me.

[poopoo333]

I would love to see Ubereem win because I am a fan boy of his jackedness

[SPX]

I definitely favor JDS as well but I'm not sure I'd say it's an EASY win for him. Overeem is pretty well rounded, is strong as hell, and can hit hard.

So JDS, yes. But would you take JDS at, say, -300? I wouldn't.

[poopoo333]

I would take him at -165 like he was last time. I'm not too fond of betting HWs at -300 unless it's someone with takedowns against Lavar Johnson.

[Mr. IWS]

I would love to see Ubereem win because I am a fan boy of his jackedness

+JUAN

[Vandelay]

Overeem is a better striker than JDS. I think he would beat him.

[SPX]

Overeem is a better striker than JDS.

Says who?

[poopoo333]

Says who?

It's his opinion. And quite a few people from what I have read. You can make the case for it, but I really think JDS finds that chin.

[Vandelay]

He very well may find Overeems chin. I dont think OVereems chin is that bad. Overeem has probably 2 rounds to ko JDS, if he cant do it, he probably will gas and get koed himself.

[poopoo333]

He very well may find Overeems chin. I dont think OVereems chin is that bad. Overeem has probably 2 rounds to ko JDS, if he cant do it, he probably will gas and get koed himself.

Yeah, kind of my thoughts as well. I won't even be surprised to see JDS shoot for a takedown to be honest. But I have this feeling this JDS/Overeem talk doesn't need to be talked about right now, and we should look forward to Cain/Overeem.

[poopoo333]

Cain Velasquez vs Junior Dos Santos - 5 rounds - UFC 155 propositions


Sat 12/29

1003 Velasquez/Dos Santos goes 5 rnd distance

+667





11:30PM

1004 Fight won't go 5 round distance

-1400





Sat 12/29

1005 Velasquez wins inside distance

+153





11:30PM

1006 Not Velasquez inside distance

-193





Sat 12/29

1007 Velasquez wins by 5 round decision

+1230





11:30PM

1008 Not Velasquez by 5 round decision

-2690





Sat 12/29

1009 Dos Santos wins inside distance

-140





11:30PM

1010 Not Dos Santos inside distance

+100





Sat 12/29

1011 Dos Santos wins by 5 round decision

+1443





11:30PM

1012 Not Dos Santos by 5 round decision

-4000





Sat 12/29

1013 Velasquez/Dos Santos draw

+12000





11:30PM

1014 Fight not a draw

-36000





Joe Lauzon vs Gray Maynard - 3 rounds - UFC 155 propositions


Sat 12/29

1203 Lauzon/Maynard goes 3 round distance

-110





11:00PM

1204 Fight won't go 3 round distance

-130





Sat 12/29

1205 Lauzon wins inside distance

+400





11:00PM

1206 Not Lauzon inside distance

-600





Sat 12/29

1207 Lauzon wins by 3 round decision

+558





11:00PM

1208 Not Lauzon by 3 round decision

-1072





Sat 12/29

1209 Maynard wins inside distance

+158





11:00PM

1210 Not Maynard inside distance

-202





Sat 12/29

1211 Maynard wins by 3 round decision

+157





11:00PM

1212 Not Maynard by 3 round decision

-200





Sat 12/29

1213 Lauzon/Maynard draw

+8000





11:00PM

1214 Fight not a draw

-21500





Tim Boetsch vs Chris Weidman - 3 rounds - UFC 155 propositions


Sat 12/29

1303 Boetsch/Weidman goes 3 round distance

+200





10:30PM

1304 Fight won't go 3 round distance

-280





Sat 12/29

1305 Boetsch wins inside distance

+468





10:30PM

1306 Not Boetsch inside distance

-802





Sat 12/29

1307 Boetsch wins by 3 round decision

+750





10:30PM

1308 Not Boetsch by 3 round decision

-1580





Sat 12/29

1309 Weidman wins inside distance

-165





10:30PM

1310 Not Weidman inside distance

+125





Sat 12/29

1311 Weidman wins by 3 round decision

+313





10:30PM

1312 Not Weidman by 3 round decision

-437





Sat 12/29

1313 Boetsch/Weidman draw

+10000





10:30PM

1314 Fight not a draw

-30000

[poopoo333]

Fresh from UFC 153 win, Phil Davis meets Forrest Griffin at UFC 155 in Las Vegas (http://mmajunkie.com/news/31212/fresh-from-ufc-153-win-phil-davis-meets-forrest-griffin-at-ufc-155-in-las-vegas.mma)

[SPX]

That's an interesting fight, but I'd rather see Griffin/Bonnar III.

[Mr. IWS]

Fresh from UFC 153 win, Phil Davis meets Forrest Griffin at UFC 155 in Las Vegas (http://mmajunkie.com/news/31212/fresh-from-ufc-153-win-phil-davis-meets-forrest-griffin-at-ufc-155-in-las-vegas.mma)



I love Davis in that one.

-Will say Im betting Davis
-Fight will get cancelled

[poopoo333]

I love Davis in that one.

-Will say Im betting Davis
-Fight will get cancelled

Davis should win...if Tito Ortiz was getting takedowns on Forrest and arguably winning rounds, Davis should do the same.

OH AND


Brad Pickett vs. Eddie Wineland set for UFC 155 in Vegas

That is going to be a great fight. I am actually picking Wineland in this fight. Pickett fights kind of dumb at times and gets drawn into striking matches when he should just go for the TD (although he did that with Jabouin and knocked him the fuck out)...Wineland has proved he is a pretty decent wrestler and should be able to stay on his feet and win the striking match. Wineland might open up around even so that's going to be worth a bet imo.

[Thewisemann]

This event is stacked. It will probably get fucking cancelled after I buy my tickets.

[edman5555]

I am another one in the camp that Overeem outstrikes JDS. I don't get why everyone thinks JDS has better striking. He has knocked out a shitload of non strikers. Overeem is the K1 champion. This is by far the best striker he has ever faced in competition in his entire life. By the way, the JDS being a brazilian kickboxing champion is pretty much bullshit as far as I am concerned.

[SPX]

Bullshit in the sense that you don't think it's true or bullshit in that it doesn't matter?

[poopoo333]

Doesn't matter imo

[SPX]

I know I heard a RUMOR that JDS said he was never a kickboxer. But he's listed as being one with an 18-0 record in a number of places. So I have no idea what the truth is.

[poopoo333]

So anyways, moving on from a potential match up of JDS/Reem...


What are you guys thinking about Cain/JDS II? It's obvious Cain deserves respect in this fight and the books know it. For a guy that was KO'd in under a minute only being +125 in the rematch a year later...it is obvious this fight has a lot of potential to be a completely different fight this time. I bet on Cain last time, and I will bet on him again this time.

[SPX]

I have no idea how this fight is going to go. I'll probably stay away, just like I did last time. I hope JDS wins, though.

[Ludo]

I might play JDS for a little bit. I just think he's too good at controlling distance for Cain to really get inside. Cain has tremendous hand speed but JDS had no trouble at all slipping and countering his shots last time. I have to believe that much is going to be the same as last time. The difference is I expect this fight to go longer than 64 seconds this time. I do think eventually JDS finds that chin again and starts unloading on it. Cain can take a shot, but JDS is just too clean and too accurate.

[poopoo333]

ummm

Lightweight bout between Michael Johnson, Myles Jury headed to UFC 155 (http://mmajunkie.com/news/31278/lightweight-bout-between-michael-johnson-myles-jury-headed-to-ufc-155.mma)

[edman5555]

Bullshit in the sense that he was never a kickboxer.

[SPX]

Sorry, you didn't respond quick enough for me to care anymore.

[Ludo]

I am another one in the camp that Overeem outstrikes JDS. I don't get why everyone thinks JDS has better striking. He has knocked out a shitload of non strikers. Overeem is the K1 champion. This is by far the best striker he has ever faced in competition in his entire life. By the way, the JDS being a brazilian kickboxing champion is pretty much bullshit as far as I am concerned.

JDS also beat the shit out of Cro Cop and Carwin. And while Overeem is the K-1 Champion, the last heavyweight striker who was ever worth half a shit that Overeem beat was probably Gary Goodridge or maybe Sergei Kharitonov.

[SPX]

What about Spong? He's a legit kickboxer.

[poopoo333]

He is referring to MMA fights.

[SPX]

Then why mention K-1?

[edman5555]

Carwins striking is pretty rudimentary though isn't it? He is no technician, he is just big and strong as hell. That said, jds wrecked him. Cro cop is a good win but he loses to everyone now. Maybe I am wrong about this but I think overeem should be much better.

[edman5555]

I did think the same thing about holloway and lawrence and we see how that worked out. Badly. That said, I will be on overeem if he is a dog. If this fight even happens.

[Ludo]

Then why mention K-1?

I mentioned K-1 because Edman mentioned K-1. Though it doesn't quite apply here because:
1) The rules are different.
2) The gloves are larger in K-1, and aid in defense for that reason which artificially enhances one's ability to cover up with them.
3) fighters can't do alot of what they can do in K-1 in MMA because of takedowns and clinching being allowed and whatnot.

[edman5555]

I mentioned K-1 because Edman mentioned K-1. Though it doesn't quite apply here because:
1) The rules are different.
2) The gloves are larger in K-1, and aid in defense for that reason which artificially enhances one's ability to cover up with them.
3) fighters can't do alot of what they can do in K-1 in MMA because of takedowns and clinching being allowed and whatnot.

That is all true but overeem has been in mma a while. I think he can make his kickboxing work in mma.

[poopoo333]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXt1oM8G-5Y&feature=player_embedded

[poopoo333]

Leonard Garcia vs. Cody McKenzie added to December's UFC 155 event (http://mmajunkie.com/news/31426/leonard-garcia-vs-cody-mckenzie-added-to-decembers-ufc-155-event.mma)

[SPX]

I was wondering when ol' Leonard was going to fight again. . .

[poopoo333]

Gray Maynard injured..Jim Miller in for him vs Joe Lauzon

[Thewisemann]

I like that fight.

[poopoo333]

What do you guys think about Okami/Belcher?

http://www.bestfightodds.com/fights/6027.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/fights/6141.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[MMA_scientist]

What do you guys think about Okami/Belcher?

http://www.bestfightodds.com/fights/6027.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

I like belcher at +odds. Slight edge to belcher.

[poopoo333]

Without looking at the fight, I like Okami at -120. I don't think he is at that much of a disadvantage standing and he can make this fight ugly and get Belcher down and work his usual game. I don't like how tentative Okami looked though at UFC 150...I guess getting (T)KO'd in pretty brutal fashion 2 fights in a row can do that to a guy though.

[poopoo333]

Champ Junior Dos Santos vs. Cain Velasquez - for heavyweight title
Phil Davis vs. Forrest Griffin
Tim Boetsch vs. Chris Weidman
Joe Lauzon vs. Jim Miller
Alan Belcher vs. Yushin Okami
Chris Leben vs. Karlos Vemola
Brad Pickett vs. Eddie Wineland
Phil De Fries vs. TBA
Michael Johnson vs. Myles Jury
Leonard Garcia vs. Cody McKenzie
Byron Bloodworth vs. Erik Perez

[poopoo333]

I picked/bet Cain in their first fight and I am going to pick/bet him again here. JDS is probably my favorite HW besides Cormier at the moment but I really think Cain is going to be able to avoid getting KO'd in a minute this time and will make it a competitive fight like I predicted last year. Cain is going to make this ugly and get the decision win. Oh yeah, decision win.

Davis is an easy pick here. There is no need for an explanation here.

Chris Weidman is a better striker, wrestler, and grappler than Boetsch. Boetsch isn't going to surprise (most) people 3 times in a row (or will he?).

Lauzon/Miller is tough. Miller is taking the fight on short notice but I do not think that will matter much. I won't be surprised to see either guy win but I am picking the guy that has a more clear path to victory in the fight. Lauzon at decent dog odds may be worth a shot though, I think Miller is a pretty overrated fighter and his wrestling is even more overrated.

I like Okami for what I said in an earlier post.

Vemola might beat Leben via top control decision, but I see Leben taking advantage of a tired Vemola after 1-1.5 rounds and getting the TKO win. However, I have heard Leben still doesn't have his personal life in order so this fight may be something to stay away from.

Eddie Wineland is going to stuff Pickett and pick him apart. He might not even have to stuff Pickett because he fights fucking stupid sometimes and decides to "stand and bang" (yes I know he KO'd Jabouin).

TBA is going to beat De Fries.

Michael Johnson is going to outclass Myles Jury...really weird match up. Johnson's line will be too steep though.

Garcia/McKenzie? BOL I just picked the guy with the grappling edge. They both suck. I figure if McKenzie was able to put Yves Edwards into some trouble on the mat he might be able to do the same to Garcia. Nonetheless, this fight is going to be funny.

Don't know enough about Perez/Bloodworth.

[Thewisemann]

I have no idea about Cain/JDS. I bet junior in the first fight because of Cain comin off surgery. Not sure who wins, but I did bet Cain Dec.

[edman5555]

Cain/JDS: the first one ended so fast it is hard to tell. Frankly I wouldn't feel comfortable betting either side.
Weidman over Boetsche for above reasons. I think he gets him to the ground quickly and probably taps him out.
Davis as well. Forrest doesn't hit really hard and he probably doesn't have the takedown defense to keep it standing very much. On the ground, Forrest may be able to come up with something but I doubt it.

Belcher/OkamiL I actually feel like Belcher is a good bet in this one. MAybe not a great bet but a good one. He has been looking really good lately. I think he is probably the more diverse and effective striker standing. More power and more varied strikes. Muay thai to be specific. Yushin is more of a boxer and doesn't pack a huge punch. On the ground I don't know who is better. The wrestling is hard for me to say. I haven't really seen enough of Belchers fights to say who the better wrestler is. It might be Yushin and that might be the deciding factor. If Yushin can get top control and hold Belcher down he might be able to win the fight. Close one. If Yushin wins it is because of wrestling.

[poopoo333]

Forrest doesn't hit really hard and he probably doesn't have the takedown defense to keep it standing very much.


If Tito Ortiz could hit 3 takedowns against Griffin at 148 and 3 at UFC 106, I think Phil Davis should be able to seal the deal here in this fight. Hate the -300 price, but it's parlay material (most likely with Weidman).

[AC88]

I am just going to straight up say Phil Davis at anything better than -500 is a GIFT in this fight. What is Forrest going to do from his back for 3 rounds? How can Forrest stuff Phil Davis takedowns if he couldn't even stuff the takedowns of a retiring Tito Ortiz (btw I think Forrest completely lost that fight)? A super prime Rashad had 5 rounds to stop Phil and couldn't. How could Forrest even come close to pulling off an upset finish when the last time he stopped anyone was 5 years ago and that stoppage was against Shogun which was more of a hardcore exhaustion stoppage on Shogun's part rather than the power and finishing ability of Forrest. And lastly, Lil Nog couldn't do anything from his back against Phil so what is Forrest going to be able to do? Yes, I used MMA Math and I'm going to call it that Phil Davis is a LOCK against Forrest and has value up to -500.

[AC88]

The best thing that can happen to Forrest is for him to get injured and have to pull out because I don't see how he can even win unless by DQ due to knees on the ground or punches to the back of the head.

[poopoo333]

Obviously can't call it a "lock" in my opinion, but you're right. He really does not have a clear path to victory.

[poopoo333]

Alan Belcher vs Yushin Okami - 3 rounds - UFC 155 propositions


Sat 12/29

1403 Belcher/Okami goes 3 round distance

+100





10:00PM

1404 Fight won't go 3 round distance

-140

[poopoo333]

I don't get this line. Obviously it's a mistake because the Sonnen fight is off, but "Not Forrest Griffin ITD" only -190?!?!?



Forrest Griffin vs Chael Sonnen - 3 rounds - UFC 155 propositions


Sat 12/29

1105 Griffin wins inside distance

+150





11:00PM

1106 Not Griffin inside distance

-190

[poopoo333]

I went ahead and put 2.5 units on Okami/Belcher goes distance at even money.

[SPX]

Belcher/OkamiL I actually feel like Belcher is a good bet in this one. MAybe not a great bet but a good one. He has been looking really good lately. I think he is probably the more diverse and effective striker standing. More power and more varied strikes. Muay thai to be specific. Yushin is more of a boxer and doesn't pack a huge punch. On the ground I don't know who is better. The wrestling is hard for me to say. I haven't really seen enough of Belchers fights to say who the better wrestler is. It might be Yushin and that might be the deciding factor. If Yushin can get top control and hold Belcher down he might be able to win the fight. Close one. If Yushin wins it is because of wrestling.

I think Okami's going to have a hard time getting him down and on the feet I favor Belcher. I wish I could've gotten Belcher at +140. I think he's the right play as a dog for sure.

[poopoo333]

I don't get this line. Obviously it's a mistake because the Sonnen fight is off, but "Not Forrest Griffin ITD" only -190?!?!?



Forrest Griffin vs Chael Sonnen - 3 rounds - UFC 155 propositions


Sat 12/29

1105 Griffin wins inside distance

+150





11:00PM

1106 Not Griffin inside distance

-190






Sat 12/29

1103 Griffin/Davis goes 3 round distance

+150





11:30PM

1104 Fight won't go 3 round distance

-190



They fixed it. I bet the Not Griffin ITD but they deleted it and emailed me saying they incorrectly worded the prop.

Also, this fight to go the distance at +150?!?!? I'm in.

[poopoo333]

Now have 5 units on Davis/Griffin going the distance. 2.5u at +150 and 2.5u at +115.

[poopoo333]

There goes the lock of the century.


#BREAKING (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23BREAKING&src=hash): Chris Weidman out of #UFC (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23UFC&src=hash) 155. Story coming soon.

[poopoo333]

Costa Philippou vs. Tim Boetsch is the new UFC 155 fight after Chris Weidman was removed due to injury

I like Philippou at good dog odds for sure

[Luke]

There goes the lock of the century.


jesus fuck

[poopoo333]

jesus fuck

We were going to pay for graduate school with the Weidman winnings.

[MMA_scientist]

That sucks, was excited to see Weidman in action again. Maybe we will get Bisping/Weidman now.

[Ludo]

I like Philippou at good dog odds for sure

I don't think we'll get Phillippou at dog odds here. Boetsch is the one at a disadvantage. Short notice changeup to a guy who might be a better striker than his last opponent and just as hard to take down.

[poopoo333]

Phil De Fries Draws Returning Todd Duffee as New #UFC (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23UFC&src=hash) 155 Opponent

awww shit

[SPX]

Awww shit!!!

Return of the Duffmeister!

[mike]

Now have 5 units on Davis/Griffin going the distance. 2.5u at +150 and 2.5u at +115.

god.. i missed it and now it is at -180 fuckkk. still bettable though. And I'll be on Phillipou again. His TDD is very good and his striking is much better than Boetch.

[poopoo333]

Yeah sucks about the $100 limits for the opening lines on 5 dimes. +150 was ridiculous

[rodulph]

I favor Sonnen in this one but I would like to see the size difference at the weigh ins. Tito has always been able to get forrest down up until the point he gasses. Interesting. I don't see Chael submitting him and I doubt he knocks him out. Chael be decision is probably the bet to take if you want to bet Chael.

[AC88]

That fight is not happening anymore btw ^^. It's Davis vs. Griffin now.

[SPX]

Don't fall for it.

[AC88]

Don't fall for what?

[SPX]

Sideloaded's trolling.

[poopoo333]

Now have 5 units on Davis/Griffin going the distance. 2.5u at +150 and 2.5u at +115.

FUCK! THIS GOD DAMN FIGHT GOT CANCELLED...THAT SHIT WAS A LOCK

[mike]

FUCK! THIS GOD DAMN FIGHT GOT CANCELLED...THAT SHIT WAS A LOCK

damn that suck. i was drooling at that odds u got

[Mr. IWS]

Da fuk man, this is getting just dumb now.

[SPX]

FUCK! THIS GOD DAMN FIGHT GOT CANCELLED...THAT SHIT WAS A LOCK

I'm glad to hear it. Griffin didn't need that fight. He should be fighting Bonnar.



Da fuk man, this is getting just dumb now.

Word. Super dumb. Their fight announcements are now just "possible matchups." That is all.

[edman5555]

Odds came out today for a lot of fights.

I saw a picture of Leben and I have been doing some reading about him. It sounds like he is doing really well and training very hard. I don't know who wins this but I tend to think Leben finds the chin at some point. He is at -165 right now. Not a bad price. Might take it.

I don't know about Lauzon/Miller. I don't really remember the lauzon varner fight but I know it was pretty close until Lauzon won. No idea.

Boetsche/Phillipou: I like Boetsche as a dog. I would be a little worried that he won't be able to get Phillipou down. I think Phil is good but don't super dangerous on the feet because he is always defending the takedown. He IS a great boxer but his lack of a ground game kinda limits him there. If there is a lack, which i think there is. Tim will definetly be the best wrestler he has fought so far.

I am split on Belcher/Okami. Anyone can win that. I guess I would have to go back and look at Belchers takedown defense. Even then I don't know. Okami is pretty crafty. He is an above average wrestler. It wasn't that long ago that Belcher was dropping a decision to Akiyama. Not that Akiyama is horrible or anything. I guess Akiyama isn't as bad as his 4 straight losses look. He was doing well in a lot of those fights. Whatever, too close to call.

Cain/Junior: Also too close to call. I have no idea.

[MMA_scientist]

I got JDS, Miller, Belcher, and Boetch. I may bet Philiipou with the right odds, I think Miller is the safest bet of those. Better wrestler, better bjj, better boxer, way better gas tank.

Belcher/Okami is interesting... Belcher should have the striking edge and his grappling has obviously gotten pretty good, but definitely not good enough to sub Okami who has great defensive grappling and base.

Leben is always the "new Leben." I don't believe any of that talk, but if I had to guess, I think Leben will win, as he has just proven to be a better fighter so far. I do think that when Leben starts his decline it is going to be sharp, Chuck Liddell-like. He is not very fast and swings big ol hooks while getting hit a lot, at some point he is going to start getting dropped by every punch.

[edman5555]

Thats a good point about lebens chin. He was called the new leben after he subbed akiyama iirc. He was doing really well until that effed up fight with stann. He was supposedly vomiting before the fight. I beleive it. He was popped for pain killers and gassed in the munoz fight iirc.

http://www.mmamania.com/2012/9/25/3409058/crippled-no-more-chris-leben-interview-exclusive-with-mmamania-com-pt

Heres the article where leben talks about his weight and health. It sounds like he is doing well. Doesnt mean he will win but i would think there wont be any fuck ups like before.

[edman5555]

I feel the same way about miller, my only concern is j lau being dangerous. He is very dangerous. I dont think belcher subbing okami is somethinng to think about, it is who can win the wrestling game.

[poopoo333]

I think Lauzon wins. No breakdown. He wins.

[edman5555]

Thanks for the info.

[SPX]

JDS
Belcher
Miller
Leben
Wineland
Guillard (I hope)

No clue on Boetsch/Phillipou.

[edman5555]

JDS
Belcher
Miller
Leben
Wineland
Guillard (I hope)

No clue on Boetsch/Phillipou.

This is a tough card to bet. A lot of close fights.

[SPX]

Leben is always the "new Leben." I don't believe any of that talk, but if I had to guess, I think Leben will win, as he has just proven to be a better fighter so far. I do think that when Leben starts his decline it is going to be sharp, Chuck Liddell-like. He is not very fast and swings big ol hooks while getting hit a lot, at some point he is going to start getting dropped by every punch.

Well I think that Leben HAS had a resurgence. A lot of people were talking about him possibly getting cut if he lost another one after the Rosholt fight, which he looked totally shitty in, but then he racked up 3 straight wins--two of which were against solid comp-- and is 4-2 in his last 6. You have to give credit to him for that.

It's not like some fighters who say they're finally taking their shit seriously and then just keep on losing.

[SPX]

This is a tough card to bet. A lot of close fights.

Yeah. At the current odds, I'd probably actually bet Cain. That's a really hard one to call.

Belcher I'll take as any sort of dog. If Miller stays around -200 I'll probably bet him as well.

I don't like Leben's odds but if they come down a bit I'll probably take him.

And I like Wineland as a dog.

[poopoo333]

I love Wineland at + money here

[edman5555]

video of todd duffees last fight. He is fucking fast for a 260 pound heavyweight,

http://mmashare.mmavideoforum.com/serious-mma-videos-f35/new-todd-duffee-interview-t61586.html

[edman5555]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f8yZmIx9_o

Here is the video. Sorry.

[edman5555]

I wonder if Duffee comes in at reasonable odds and if his line blows up.

[Svino]

I really like Miller over Lauzon, but the line is starting to suck. He's down to -260 and it still hasn't opened on BM.

[mike]

missed the opening lines on Phillipou and Windland.. lines suck now.

[Svino]

On the other hand, I'm loving the line on Guillard. I hope it holds.

[SPX]

Why is that?

[Svino]

I think Varner is a good matchup for Guillard. I think Guillard is significantly better and more powerful on the feet, and he has good tdd; good enough for Varner anyway. Guillard has been flaky, but honestly so has Varner, and anyway flakyness is something more likely to scare me away from a large favorite, not so much an underdog or someone at close to even odds. I'm really surprised the line is so close on this one.

[edman5555]

I agree with you svino for the most part. I think varner also has some big power.

[poopoo333]

I overrate Varner now I think because he cost me huge against Barboza.

[edman5555]

Ok.

[edman5555]

It's rounding the news now that Cain had a torn acl in the first fight with JDS. A Video was released of him tearing it. Might explain why no low kicks + takedowns. Kinda made Cain worthless in that fight. Makes me want to bet Cain in the next one.

[Mr. IWS]

It's rounding the news now that Cain had a torn acl in the first fight with JDS. A Video was released of him tearing it. Might explain why no low kicks + takedowns. Kinda made Cain worthless in that fight. Makes me want to bet Cain in the next one.

I think Cain is gonna fuck JDS up.

[SPX]

I think Varner is a good matchup for Guillard. I think Guillard is significantly better and more powerful on the feet, and he has good tdd; good enough for Varner anyway. Guillard has been flaky, but honestly so has Varner, and anyway flakyness is something more likely to scare me away from a large favorite, not so much an underdog or someone at close to even odds. I'm really surprised the line is so close on this one.

I guess the real question is whether or not the Barboza win was a total fluke. At the very least, I guess it shows us that Varner can still really do some shit if he is firing on all cylinders.

I also think he was doing pretty well against J-Lo up until he got subbed. I remember thinking it was 1-1 going into the third and, if I remember correctly, I was thinking Varner was probably winning the third until the finish.

With all that said, I really hope Guillard KTFOs him.

[zY|]

It's rounding the news now that Cain had a torn acl in the first fight with JDS. A Video was released of him tearing it. Might explain why no low kicks + takedowns. Kinda made Cain worthless in that fight. Makes me want to bet Cain in the next one.

Video link?

[Luke]

It's rounding the news now that Cain had a torn acl in the first fight with JDS. A Video was released of him tearing it. Might explain why no low kicks + takedowns. Kinda made Cain worthless in that fight. Makes me want to bet Cain in the next one.


Huh? I just watched that fight again the other day and Cain threw like 5 low kicks in the one minute fight...thats a lot for a HW in a minute.

[mike]

I really like Miller over Lauzon, but the line is starting to suck. He's down to -260 and it still hasn't opened on BM.

odds on Miller fight is out on bmaker @ -220

[poopoo333]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lnzd52m_72Q&feature=player_embedded

[Ludo]

It's rounding the news now that Cain had a torn acl in the first fight with JDS. A Video was released of him tearing it. Might explain why no low kicks + takedowns. Kinda made Cain worthless in that fight. Makes me want to bet Cain in the next one.

JDS had a torn MCL the first time as well.

[zY|]

JDS had a torn MCL the first time as well.

I don't know if this whole thing is revisionist history or injury oneupsmanship or what, but the short fight I saw certainly didn't have two dudes out there trying to outgimp each other.

[Svino]

Huh? I just watched that fight again the other day and Cain threw like 5 low kicks in the one minute fight...thats a lot for a HW in a minute.

I remember that well. For the first time ever BM had a line on who would throw more leg kicks in the fight. Cain opened at -160 and I max-bet the line right away. When he started the fight by throwing a whole bunch of leg kicks, I was very happy.

[Ludo]

I don't know if this whole thing is revisionist history or injury oneupsmanship or what, but the short fight I saw certainly didn't have two dudes out there trying to outgimp each other.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/11/13/2557985/ufc-on-fox-results-junior-dos-santos-injury-cain-velasquez

[edman5555]

Oh sorry I got that wrong.

[zY|]

I'm not saying that's isn't what is reported. It just didn't look like much was affected. Hell, JDS and his torn meniscus went and did a Michael Jackson knee slide immediately after he won.

[edman5555]

An acl is much more serious than a menuscus. I know because i have a partially torn acl as we speak. I could barely walk for a while.

[Luke]

They may have both been hurt, not saying they werent. Still think JDS wins again. Cain still has a bad chin, JDS is the naturally bigger man which will make it hard for Cain to get him down, and JDS kept Carwin from every getting him down. Plus, it only take one shot for JDS to end it

[poopoo333]

Max Holloway is in for an injured Cody McKenzie against Leonard Garcia. Holloway should be -1000.

[SPX]

I hope JDS wins, but I don't get this shit about Cain having a bad chin.

Dude is 10-1.

[SPX]

Max Holloway is in for an injured Cody McKenzie against Leonard Garcia. Holloway should be -1000.

I bet Garcia is pissed. He actually had a chance to beat McKenzie.

Personally, I hope Garcia sticks around. I like that motherfucker.

[poopoo333]

I hope JDS wins, but I don't get this shit about Cain having a bad chin.

Dude is 10-1.

I am guessing the Kongo fight makes people think this.

[zY|]

I am guessing the Kongo fight makes people think this.

Wrong people.

[Svino]

The Kongo fight fooled me into thinking that Cain had weak technical standup and a hard time finishing, but I wasn't that worried about his chin. Regardless, he's obviously improved a lot since then.

[edman5555]

Max Holloway is in for an injured Cody McKenzie against Leonard Garcia. Holloway should be -1000.

I think holoways standup is much better but holloway is a white belt in bjj and garcia is brown. Just saying.

[poopoo333]

I think holoways standup is much better but holloway is a white belt in bjj and garcia is brown. Just saying.

Don't care. Holloway is a stone cold lock.

[Luke]

I hope JDS wins, but I don't get this shit about Cain having a bad chin.

Dude is 10-1.

He got dropped several times by Kongo and with one punch by JDS. Since when does a good record equal a good chin? Schaub was 8-1 at one point, does that mean he has a great chin?

[poopoo333]

MAIN (Pay-per-view, 10 p.m. ET)


Junior dos Santos (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/junior-dos-santos) vs. Cain Velasquez (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/cain-velasquez) - for heavyweight title
Joe Lauzon (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/joe-lauzon) vs. Jim Miller (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/jim-miller)
Tim Boetsch (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/tim-boetsch) vs. Constantinos Philippou (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/constantinos-philippou)
Alan Belcher (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/alan-belcher) vs. Yushin Okami (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/yushin-okami)
Derek Brunson (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/derek-brunson) vs. Chris Leben (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/chris-leben)

PRELIMINARY (FX, 8 p.m. ET)


Brad Pickett (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/brad-pickett) vs. Eddie Wineland (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/eddie-wineland)
Byron Bloodworth (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/byron-bloodworth) vs. Erik Perez (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/erik-perez)
Melvin Guillard (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/melvin-guillard) vs. Jamie Varner (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/jamie-varner)
Myles Jury (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/myles-jury) vs. Michael Johnson (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/michael-johnson)

PRELIMINARY (Facebook, 6:30 p.m. ET)


Philip De Fries (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/philip-de-fries) vs. Todd Duffee (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/todd-duffee)
Chris Cariaso (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/chris-cariaso) vs. John Moraga (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/john-moraga)
Leonard Garcia (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/leonard-garcia) vs. Max Holloway (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/max-holloway)

[poopoo333]

I will be betting on Cain, Lauzon, Okami, Wineland, Johnson, Holloway.

I am leaning Brunson, Guillard, and Moraga as well. It all depends on the odds. I want Guillard at + money.

[SPX]

He got dropped several times by Kongo and with one punch by JDS. Since when does a good record equal a good chin? Schaub was 8-1 at one point, does that mean he has a great chin?

Schaub doesn't have a great chin because he's been KTFOd in every loss.

Once Cain has lost more by KTFO then I will agree that he doesn't have a great chin. But going down after getting smashed in the head by JDS doesn't convince me. Or the Kongo fight.

[edman5555]

Don't care. Holloway is a stone cold lock.
.
Stone cold lock of the year of the week.

[edman5555]

Of the minute.

[edman5555]

I am going to watch some phil de fries footage. I have a hunch duffee is going to kill him.

[AC88]

Cain ate shots from Cheick Kongo that Barry couldn't take. I think a lot of heavyweights would have fallen taking those same shots from Kongo. Cain's chin is not bad at all I would say.

[Svino]

I really have no idea at all what to expect from Duffee.

[SPX]

Probably some violent ass whipping. Sure, he looked bad against Reem, but what the fuck was he even doing fighting him? And he was straight dominating against Russow before the crazy KO.

[mike]

i only had a couple units on Phillipou. Kinda like Windland but he is not super active with his punches, alot of times just waiting to throw counters. Picket is more active but he gets tagged alot. Might bet Bloodworth if he is a huge underdog. probably gonna parlay Holloway and Johnson.

[Luke]

Cain ate shots from Cheick Kongo that Barry couldn't take. I think a lot of heavyweights would have fallen taking those same shots from Kongo. Cain's chin is not bad at all I would say.

Comparing Cain and Barry.........for serious?

[Luke]

And I like Belcher over Okami poopoo

[AC88]

Comparing Cain and Barry.........for serious?

compare chins not fighters

[edman5555]

I really have no idea at all what to expect from Duffee.

I watched his fight with neil grove and his movement was very good. He ended up koing grove pretty quickly.

[Ludo]

Why are we even having a discussion about chins in a division where almost everyone has one punch KO power?

[SPX]

It's still an important thing to consider. When you're breaking down fights you can usually count on Roy Nelson not getting KOd . . . that's not the case for someone like Brendan Schaub or Stefan Struve, though.

[Ludo]

It's still an important thing to consider. When you're breaking down fights you can usually count on Roy Nelson not getting KOd . . . that's not the case for someone like Brendan Schaub or Stefan Struve, though.

In a division where the average size of a fighter is like 6'2", and 240lbs or so, chin becomes less a factor than the ability to just hit a guy. This concept of fighters being necessarily chinny is a bit absurd to begin with. As if no credit for a knockout is attributed to the guy landing the punches, and all of it goes against the guy dropping when he gets hit.

[SPX]

Well a fighter's knockout power is just another factor.

Struve is probably never going to KO Roy Nelson. But Roy Nelson may very well KO Struve.

Part of this has to do with Nelson's KO power. Part of it has to do with Struve's chin.

[AC88]

Chin is a factor in any weight class. Cain's chin kept him going with Kongo but not with JDS. Carwin and Nelson's chin kept them going with JDS for 3 rounds. Cain's chin is not enough for JDS' power so I would actually give Nelson a better chance to take JDS than Cain. I wouldn't give Carwin a good chance against JDS because although he won't get knocked out he will still look like a bloody mess in a rematch and be completely outclassed.

[zY|]

Struve is probably never going to KO Roy Nelson. But Roy Nelson may very well KO Struve.

Part of this has to do with Nelson's KO power. Part of it has to do with Struve's chin.

He already did, in fact.

[Ludo]

I just feel that saying something to the effect that a heavyweight probably never knocks out another heavyweight is incredibly outlandish. Struve held up just fine against some serious heavy hitters even for the heavyweight division in Lavar Johnson and Stipe Miocic.

[zY|]

Chin is a factor in any weight class. Cain's chin kept him going with Kongo but not with JDS. Carwin and Nelson's chin kept them going with JDS for 3 rounds. Cain's chin is not enough for JDS' power so I would actually give Nelson a better chance to take JDS than Cain. I wouldn't give Carwin a good chance against JDS because although he won't get knocked out he will still look like a bloody mess in a rematch and be completely outclassed.

I don't think it's Cain's chin didn't hold up to JDS. It's that JDS followed up with proper coffin nails.

[SPX]

I just feel that saying something to the effect that a heavyweight probably never knocks out another heavyweight is incredibly outlandish. Struve held up just fine against some serious heavy hitters even for the heavyweight division in Lavar Johnson and Stipe Miocic.

We all know that at Heavyweight KOs are more frequent, but when a Roy Nelson fight starts, I just expect Roy to win by KO or Roy to lose by decision. You know the deal. Don't act like this is some kind of crazy talk.

[Ludo]

Almost 85% of all heavyweight fights in the UFC ended in a finish this year as of October and we're talking about select fighters in the division being "chinny"? Come on, guys. This boils down to heavyweights being too big and too powerful for "chin" to be near as large a factor as other divisions and it's evidenced in the numbers.

[Ludo]

We all know that at Heavyweight KOs are more frequent, but when a Roy Nelson fight starts, I just expect Roy to win by KO or Roy to lose by decision. You know the deal. Don't act like this is some kind of crazy talk.

Durable doesn't mean indestructible and it's still a division where guys go out on the regular.

[zY|]

Arlovski sure didn't have any problem knocking Roy the fuck out.

[SPX]

If you go back and watch that fight Roy wasn't even really out.

[AC88]

I don't think it's Cain's chin didn't hold up to JDS. It's that JDS followed up with proper coffin nails.

Cheick Kongo dropped Cain and Cain's chin held up. Cain's chin held out well enough so that Kongo had no opportunity to use 'coffin nails'. Cain got dropped by JDS and fell to his back. Kongo dropped Cain and Cain never fell to his back but instead went for the shot. Cain's falling to his back against JDS showed the difference in power between Kongo/JDS imo.

[Ludo]

Cheick Kongo dropped Cain and Cain's chin held up. Cain's chin held out well enough so that Kongo had no opportunity to use 'coffin nails'. Cain got dropped by JDS and fell to his back. Kongo dropped Cain and Cain never fell to his back but instead went for the shot. Cain's falling to his back against JDS showed the difference in power between Kongo/JDS imo.

It showed the difference in power that they threw in the punches in those situations. Kongo was against the fence trying to fend off takedowns and create some space. He wasn't in the open looking to end Cain off a counter right.

[SPX]

JDS is weird when it comes to power. Sometimes he just shuts dudes' lights off and at others he doesn't really seem like a real power puncher.

You never know what you're going to get from him.

[AC88]

It showed the difference in power that they threw in the punches in those situations. Kongo was against the fence trying to fend off takedowns and create some space. He wasn't in the open looking to end Cain off a counter right.

You think Cheick can KO Cain? I wouldn't be shocked to see that in a rematch lol

[Ludo]

You think Cheick can KO Cain? I wouldn't be shocked to see that in a rematch lol

I think any heavyweight in the world can KO any other heavyweight in the world under the right circumstances. Let's not act like these guys don't make a living punching people in the face.

[Ludo]

JDS is weird when it comes to power. Sometimes he just shuts dudes' lights off and at others he doesn't really seem like a real power puncher.

You never know what you're going to get from him.

Uh... JDS has only gone to decision twice, and of 15 wins he has 11 knockouts.

[zY|]

I hate agreeing with Ludo.

[AC88]

I think any heavyweight in the world can KO any other heavyweight in the world under the right circumstances. Let's not act like these guys don't make a living punching people in the face.

I'm not acting like anything and I strongly believe fighters even in the heavyweight division can hold up very well against great power shots even under the right circumstances.

[SPX]

I think any heavyweight in the world can KO any other heavyweight in the world under the right circumstances. Let's not act like these guys don't make a living punching people in the face.

That's true for any division. Though, yes, the instances of KOs is greater in the HW.

[SPX]

Uh... JDS has only gone to decision twice, and of 15 wins he has 11 knockouts.

I'm not saying he can't hit hard as shit, but I don't really count the Struve TKO since Struve was still on his feet and defending, nor do I count the Crocop TKO, which isn't even on record as a TKO. He was fucking both dude's up for sure, but I wouldn't use those fights as examples of his primal, consciousness obliterating power. In his last 5, he's 3-2 for stoppages.

So it's not like when JDS steps into the cage you just KNOW someone's going to sleep.

[SPX]

I hate agreeing with Ludo.

Y'all got beef?

[SPX]

I'm not acting like anything and I strongly believe fighters even in the heavyweight division can hold up very well against great power shots even under the right circumstances.

It's obvious that some HWs are more durable than others.

[poopoo333]

It's obvious that some HWs are more durable than others.

Yep. I mean, do you guys really think Andrei Arlovski would have gotten out of the round 1 Roy Nelson encountered against JDS?

[zY|]

So it's only a KO if the guy is facedown snoring? You guys are hard to please.

[SPX]

There's just something special about a guy who can consistently leave dude's for dead on the canvas.

[Luke]

Fuck, are you guys still talking about the same thing three pages later?

What a bunch of Nancy's

[poopoo333]

Fuck, are you guys still talking about the same thing three pages later?

What a bunch of Nancy's

Roy Nelson doesn't have a chin.


He has two.

[edman5555]

Underneath one of his chins is another chin named chuck norris.

[Vandelay]

Erik Perez line is out. I took it at -300. Only to win a unit tho. Slowly trying to build up the bankroll again.

[Ludo]

There's just something special about a guy who can consistently leave dude's for dead on the canvas.

Wanna fill us in on what that guy's name might be? Because I can't really think of anyone who consistently left guys needing to be woken with smelling salts, at least no more than JDS has.

[poopoo333]

Erik Perez line is out. I took it at -300. Only to win a unit tho. Slowly trying to build up the bankroll again.

Did you cash everything out or did you lose big? Been wondering where you been.



I put 5 units on Derek Brunson. 2.5u at +230 and 2.5u at +200

[Vandelay]

lost huge. 26,000 to like 0. NFL futures finally were graded so im trying to build it back up.

[poopoo333]

Holy shit man sorry...any main big bets that lost?

[Vandelay]

I gained most of it through live betting in nfl and mlb playoffs. then lost almost all of it live betting. Jets vs Patriots was a big one. Had lost like 4 grand on the colts vs browns game and osu vs pudue game. Then took New England to beat the jets for like 4g to win 1. They struggled all game and had just fumbled the ball away with 2 minutes left. I threw like 15 or 12 g to win 4 trying to hedge out and it backfired bigtime. I played with fire and got burned. I was pissed off for about a day, but I got over it. Taught me a lesson.

[SPX]

Two things. . .

1. These gaps between MMA events are pissing me off. We either need the UFC to get back to 3+ events per month or we need a new organization to pop up and fill in the EliteXC/Non-Zuffa-Owned Strikeforce gap.

2. I went ahead and took Miller at -200. I'll actually be pretty surprised if Lauzon beats him.

[edman5555]

You must feel pretty good abojt derek brunson poopoo? Isnt he taking this on short notice?

[SPX]

Anyone have thoughts on Johnson/Jury?

[edman5555]

Well i just looked at jurys record and he has pretty much fought cans exclusively before the ultimate fighter. Michael johnson has beaten a few good guys and is training with the blackzilians now. At first glance -300 looks like a gift.

[edman5555]

Did you cash everything out or did you lose big? Been wondering where you been.



I put 5 units on Derek Brunson. 2.5u at +230 and 2.5u at +200

Why do you feel so good about Brunson?

[Ludo]

Why do you feel so good about Brunson?

I think he's just fading Leben.

[poopoo333]

I think he's just fading Leben.

Yep. Combine the fade with a better wrestler and that's why. Especially at +200 and +230.

[edman5555]

Yep. Combine the fade with a better wrestler and that's why. Especially at +200 and +230.

I can see why you would do that. It reminds me of the usual BJ PENN motivated/unmotivated argument. That said, It does sound like Leben is doing really well. Of course that is only going by his interviews. If he is telling the truth I think he could do well. Thats a good point about Brunson. Its hard to tell with LEben what will happen in the wrestling department. He looked like shit against Rosholt, looked great against Aaron Simpson. He was apparently high on painkillers during the Munoz fight. Post rehab, its a tough call.

[edman5555]

I am thinking about taking Holloway because I think he will demolish Garcia standing, my only concern is his ground game. Leonard hasn't done anything on the ground that I can remember but he is listed as a brown belt.

[poopoo333]

I expect Hollaway to be around -450 so I would like to parlay him. I might put him with some magic not props. Like not jds by sub, not belcher by sub

[edman5555]

I expect Hollaway to be around -450 so I would like to parlay him. I might put him with some magic not props. Like not jds by sub, not belcher by sub

I don't really expect Holloway to be that big a favorite. Hes pretty good but his ground game is weak. I guess most people might not now that he is a white belt in BJJ. At least that was what I read about him before the Dustin Poireir fight. His standup is good though, and his takedown defense was good in the Schilling fight. I was thinking Holloway might come in around -200 or so.

Looking back, Garcia isn't really that bad. He makes fights somewhat close on the judges scorecards in anything that is a striking battle. Holloway should be a striking battle. Holloway has a big reach advantage though. I imagine his technique is much crisper as well. Everyones technique is much crisper than Garcia.

[poopoo333]

If Holloway is -200 I will put a grand on him because I am a crazy motherfucker

[Ludo]

I don't really think Brunson gets it done here. Leben has always been tough to get to the ground and even took Munoz down a few times last year. The layoff may hurt Leben though and he might gas the hell out if this fight lasts more than a few minutes.

[SPX]

Well i just looked at jurys record and he has pretty much fought cans exclusively before the ultimate fighter. Michael johnson has beaten a few good guys and is training with the blackzilians now. At first glance -300 looks like a gift.

I saw Jury fight once or twice on the show and I was not impressed. He was a big favorite in at least one of those fights and lost pretty convincingly.

I don't really like the line, but Johnson has been looking good lately. If he stays at -300 or better I might take the leap on him.

[SPX]

I am thinking about taking Holloway because I think he will demolish Garcia standing, my only concern is his ground game. Leonard hasn't done anything on the ground that I can remember but he is listed as a brown belt.

I would be VERY surprised if Holloway lost. This is a terrible matchup for Garcia.

You can forget about Garcia's ground abilities. It's not that he doesn't have any, but he basically only uses them defensively. It's very unlikely that he even tries to get this fight to the ground, and if he does, I doubt he succeeds.

I'd love to get Holloway at -300 or better. That would be an automatic play.

[SPX]

Fight starts about 4:20. . .



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f8yZmIx9_o

[edman5555]

If Holloway is -200 I will put a grand on him because I am a crazy motherfucker

I can see where you are going with that but a grand is a lot. Be careful, slow and steady wins the race.

Also, why are you feeling so confident in Lentz? He leaned on Winner for the decison, almost literally. He had a very close fight with Tyson griffin, losing in a lot of peoples eyes. He lost the first two rounds to Waylon Lowe before choking him out. He got the crap kicked out of him by Oliviera. Then he lost to Bocek and Dunham. Granted he did ok in some of those fights and they are at 155 pounds but why do you feel like he beats Nunes? I feel like it could be close but I also think that Nunes style might be really hard for him. He has pretty good takedown defense, not amazing..but he moves around really well and has good striking. I could see Lentz having a lot of trouble tracking him down to make this fight an up close gritty contest. Those are the type of fights he wins. I think he loses rangy fights like Nunes would probably like to impose here.

[edman5555]

Wrong thread. Sorry/

[SPX]

Johnson's line is getting better. If he opens at Sportsbook at -200ish, I will DEFINITELY be taking him.

[poopoo333]

Johnson's line is getting better. If he opens at Sportsbook at -200ish, I will DEFINITELY be taking him.

Oh, I forgot to tell you. Fuck Sportsbook. I deposited $400 there and put it on Yves Edwards over Jeremy Stephens. I got it up to like $983 or some shit and requested a payout on December 8th...shit is still pending. The first payout I ever got from there over summer was processed in like one day.

[SPX]

Yeah, well they tell you explicitly that it can take 6 to 8 weeks to process. The guy who got me to sign up there told me a while back that it usually takes about 6 weeks for his checks to arrive. I think you got lucky the first time.

[Vandelay]

Holloway is around -300

[edman5555]

Poopoo you were right about the Holloway line.

[poopoo333]

I put $300 on Holloway at -300

[SPX]

I went ahead and bet Holloway, Duffee and Johnson.

It's gonna be raining fucking money on my b-day.

[Mr. IWS]

I went ahead and bet Holloway, Duffee and Johnson.

It's gonna be raining fucking money on my b-day.

::winna::

[Thewisemann]

My fucking flight has been delayed twice I'm ready to get to Vegas boys

[MMA_scientist]

My fucking flight has been delayed twice I'm ready to get to Vegas boys

Nice, we are going to find wiseman in a ditch with an 8-ball and 2 dead hookers. Have you been before?

[Ludo]

Nice, we are going to find wiseman in a ditch with an 8-ball and 2 dead hookers. Have you been before?

Who's We? Are you secretly SouthbaySurf or some shit?

[Thewisemann]

Nope, first time in Vegas but the ol lady is with me to keep me in line!

[Thewisemann]

The line is creeping up on Cain, +180 here. Thinking of throwing down something.

[Mr. IWS]

Nope, first time in Vegas but the ol lady is with me to keep me in line!

::thumbup::

[MMA_scientist]

Nope, first time in Vegas but the ol lady is with me to keep me in line!


Have fun, hit up the super secret sports book (aka Emeril's @ the Palazzo).