UFC 159

[poopoo333]

Discuss.

Fight is set for April 27th, 2013.

[Mr. IWS]

Lmao, All in on Bones.

Will watch Tuff though.

[poopoo333]

TUF coaches in consideration were Cowboy vs. Pettis, but then shifted to Jones vs. Sonnen. This all happened in last couple of weeks.

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[poopoo333]

I wonder where it is going to be? I want to go watch

[Mr. IWS]

Line Guesses?

Bones -600?

[poopoo333]

^^Probably. Jones is going to win, but I want Chael to win...would be hilarious.

[Mr. IWS]

It might be the only bet I make where I wont be totally pissed if I lose, Just to hear him at the post fight press conference.

[poopoo333]

Serious question here...how do you go about finding the cheapest plane tickets? There are like 3-4 airports around here and I would like to know the best place to get them..I am going to assume this is in Vegas and look around right now for hypothetical prices.

[Mr. IWS]

I think either travelocity or orbitz is the one that compares prices with all the major airlines and you can get the cheapest price.

[MMA_scientist]

yeah the travel sites are all really close in price. The only way to cut costs is to look at different airports that you you can drive to on each end. Oh and buy in advance.

[MMA_scientist]

oh, I am disappoint in the fight. So, they are just going to pass over all the legit contenders? I understand they want to do it, but it just really makes the UFC look like WWE IMO. Sonnen hasn't even fought in this weightclass and has virtually no chance to win this fight. But hey, he talks a lot so...

[poopoo333]

If it's in Vegas I found plane tickets for $389 per person round trip. fuck that is expensive

[MMA_scientist]

where do you live again? Lakeland?

[Mr. IWS]

I dont think thats too bad to be honest.

[poopoo333]

where do you live again? Lakeland?

I live in the Sarasota area.

[Mr. IWS]

I live in the Sarasota area.

Home of the late great MACHO MAN!!!!!

[MMA_scientist]

I found it for $291 if you fly out of tampa. Gotta return on a non-sunday and leave on a non friday/saturday.

[poopoo333]

I found it for $291 if you fly out of tampa. Gotta return on a non-sunday and leave on a non friday/saturday.

hmm..fly out thursday come back monday..more details on website/stuff? and could you check prices under those circumstances from sarasota-bradenton and fort myers?

[poopoo333]

thanks i love you

[MMA_scientist]

you can't get anything cheap out of Sarasota. Must be a small airport. Found one for $317 from Fort Myers leaving Thursday and coming back Tuesday. That's it... there is probably a cheaper way if you did some work, but I can't find you anything cheaper.

[Ludo]

http://www.woosk.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/meanwhile-in-finland-woosk-dot-com.jpg

[poopoo333]

Thanks...where is the $291 flight link?

[MMA_scientist]

I think it was Orbitz. Don't remember the dates, I think Thursday to Tuesday. Maybe it was Wednesday.

[poopoo333]

Opener -600 Jones/ +400 Sonnen

http://www.bestfightodds.com/fights/5912.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[Thewisemann]

What a Shitty fight. What about Hendo? Machida? Gustaffson? Come on. What a fucking joke.

[MMA_scientist]

What a Shitty fight. What about Hendo? Machida? Gustaffson? Come on. What a fucking joke.

agreed. Supposedly Gustaffson and Shogun are fighting for the #1 contender spot. I guess Hendo and Machida will probably fight. If I was Hendo, I would have to be pretty pissed that he is going to have to fight (and probably lose) Machida to get the shot while Sonnen just walks into a shot after coming off a stoppage in another weightclass (not to mention theat he kind of lost to Bisping too).

[Mr. IWS]

Opener -600 Jones/ +400 Sonnen

http://www.bestfightodds.com/fights/5912.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

I think thats first time I got a line prediction correct.

[SPX]

oh, I am disappoint in the fight. So, they are just going to pass over all the legit contenders? I understand they want to do it, but it just really makes the UFC look like WWE IMO. Sonnen hasn't even fought in this weightclass and has virtually no chance to win this fight. But hey, he talks a lot so...

I agree, mostly.

I mean, it's an interesting fight and I do want to see it. But Sonnen should at least have to beat one top guy in the division before he gets a shot at the belt.

[Thewisemann]

agreed. Supposedly Gustaffson and Shogun are fighting for the #1 contender spot. I guess Hendo and Machida will probably fight. If I was Hendo, I would have to be pretty pissed that he is going to have to fight (and probably lose) Machida to get the shot while Sonnen just walks into a shot after coming off a stoppage in another weightclass (not to mention theat he kind of lost to Bisping too).

Yea, he has lost 2 of his last 4 at middleweight and arguably lost to bisping, that would be 3 of his last 4. Sonnen should have had to beat at least Forrest, and IMO another top LHW before he got a shot.

[Vandelay]

That line will go to shit soon. Sonnen's gonna wrestlefuck jones for 3 rounds and stay out of subs? not happening.

[zY|]

Sounds like the UFC is going all-in to try and save TUF.

[poopoo333]

"('The Ultimate Fighter') has some tremendous young talent on it," Sonnen said. "I will be taking 50 percent of that talent and teaching them how to fight. The other half is going to be taught how to be selfish and entitled brats by Jones. The good news for that 50 percent is that when the whole thing is over, I'm sure Coach Jones will throw a hell of an after party."

[Vandelay]

classic

[MMA_scientist]

I guess I should just quit training to win fights and to be exciting for the fans and just go to shit talking school. @danawhite

ha.

and...and:


For the most part, I commend the UFC for making the fights happen that the people love to see," Evans told FUEL TV’s “UFC Toinight.” “But as a fighter, I was like, ‘Man, what’s it gonna take for me to get a chance to get back up in there?’ I wanted to fight Anderson (Silva), but it didn’t end up happening because they said I needed one more fight to be a contender at middleweight. But I guess it’s not the same for everybody.

[SPX]

Dan's always getting screwed out of title fights by the UFC. Remember when he left the last time because DW kept giving him the run around about getting a rematch with Silva?

[SPX]

http://www.woosk.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/meanwhile-in-finland-woosk-dot-com.jpg




I keep LOLing at this. . .

[poopoo333]

Sonnen tells media he is the "most in shape" opponent Jones has ever faced. Jones asks "On TRT or off?". Sonnen says ON.

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[poopoo333]

Looks like it will be at the Prudential Center in Newark, New Jersey. That's going to be better on my wallet.

[Mr. IWS]

LMAO, I love it!

[MMA_scientist]

Looks like it will be at the Prudential Center in Newark, New Jersey. That's going to be better on my wallet.

It isn't vegas... but you can hit up AC

[zY|]

Dan's always getting screwed out of title fights by the UFC. Remember when he left the last time because DW kept giving him the run around about getting a rematch with Silva?

yeah like when the UFC blew his knee up. Diabolical.

[Mr. IWS]

Dude speaks the truth:


Former top middleweight contender Chael Sonnen (http://espn.go.com/mma/fighter/_/id/2335796/chael-sonnen) shot back Wednesday at fighters who expressed disapproval that he has been granted a title shot against UFC light-heavyweight champion Jon Jones (http://espn.go.com/mma/fighter/_/id/2335639/jon-jones)."Welcome to life. We don't deserve things, you get what you get," said Sonnen during a media call to officially announce that he and Jones will be rival coaches on next season's version of 'The Ultimate Fighter.'
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Sonnen
"And let's understand, not one of those fighters said, 'Hey Dana, I'll fight Chael. Hey Dana, let me prove that I am the No. 1 contender. Let me fight that guy.' Not one of them," he said. "They all sat there and said their little things. But I called everyone one of those bastards out and I'll call them out right now.
"I have no problem getting a tune-up fight and slapping anyone of those guys around, including the karate kid."
Sonnen's last comment was directed at Lyoto Machida (http://espn.go.com/mma/fighter/_/id/2335524/lyoto-machida). The former UFC light-heavyweight champion was among Sonnen's harshest critics.
"With all respect, but for me, Chael does not deserve the title shot," Machida said Wednesday on Twitter. "I would like to know what he (has) done in (the) light heavyweight division (to) deserve (it)!"
Machida wasn't alone in questioning Sonnen's status as a valid light-heavyweight title contender. Former Strikeforce light-heavyweight champion Dan Henderson (http://espn.go.com/mma/fighter/_/id/2335497/dan-henderson) also took to Twitter and chimed in on the matter.
"I guess I should just quit training to win fights and be exciting for the fans and just go to (trash) talking school," Henderson said.
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Henderson was slated to face Jones on Sept. 1 at UFC 151 in Las Vegas. But he suffered a partial MCL tear that forced him to withdraw from the bout.
UFC president Dana White then offered the bout to Machida, who declined to take the fight on short notice.
Sonnen (17-12-1) then tossed his hat into the mix, agreeing to step in for Henderson and face Jones. But the champion decided against fighting Sonnen on eight days' notice and UFC 151 was canceled.
Jones (17-1) went go on to defeat Vitor Belfort (http://espn.go.com/mma/fighter/_/id/2354057/vitor-belfort) on Sept. 22 at UFC 152 in Toronto. But Jones suffered an elbow injury during the bout that is expected to sideline him until April.
Jones and Sonnen are scheduled to fight on April 27. White said the fight could take place in New Jersey.
"Dan Henderson had the opportunity for the (title) fight; he got injured," White said on the media call. "He got injured, now Jones is injured. Jones is injured until April.
The UFC had looked into holding the Jones-Henderson fight in February, according to a report by Yahoo! Sports, but apparently lingering issues with Henderson's knee and Jones' elbow forced them in a new direction.
"Every one of these guys who is (complaining) about a title shot now were offered the fight and turned it down. They refused to fight Jon Jones.
"Now they are bummed out because Chael stepped up on eight days' notice and he's going to coach 'The Ultimate Fighter' and fight him."
For his part, Jones (17-1) stated he wanted the Sonnen fight after previously resisting the idea.
The 25-year-old champion received a lot of criticism for turning down the initial fight against Sonnen on short notice in September and says he views the pairing as an opportunity to put that experience behind him.
"I'm injured," Jones said. "I have nothing to do but to try to heal, be in Vegas working with some of the best physical therapists I can, put Chael Sonnen behind me and to give the fans what they want. All in one go."
The fight against Jones will be Sonnen's first since July 7, when he was knocked out by middleweight champion Anderson Silva (http://espn.go.com/mma/fighter/_/id/2335447/anderson-silva) in the second round at UFC 148 in Las Vegas.
Sonnen has not competed at light heavyweight since Oct. 7, 2005, when he was submitted by Renato Sobral (http://espn.go.com/mma/fighter/_/id/2335476/renato-sobral) in the second round at UFC 55. That fight took place at Mohegan Sun in Uncasville, Conn.
Sonnen has promised a close fight with Jones in April. "I've been on both sides of an a-- whipping," Sonnen said. "That's something Jon hasn't. Jon's been very dominant. He's also fought a lot of guys who are timid and afraid to get in a fight. I'm going to walk out there and get in a fistfight."

[MMA_scientist]

Rashad and Machida would kill Sonnen. I would like to see Machida/Sonnen, but I don't think it would be very competitive.

Sonnen would have a chance with Hendo IMO.

[Mr. IWS]

Rashad and Machida would kill Sonnen. I would like to see Machida/Sonnen, but I don't think it would be very competitive.

Sonnen would have a chance with Hendo IMO.

Truth......

[poopoo333]

Sonnen/Machida interests me, we've never really seen anybody just rush Machida and shoot...see what Rampage did to Machida? I think Sonnen COULD do it faster and get the fight down. I still think Machida would win though.

I believe Sonnen would beat Hendo 30-27.

[SPX]

What did Rampage do to him?

[MMA_scientist]

I believe Sonnen would beat Hendo 30-27.

Yeah, have to agree. It would be Jake Shields all over again.

Speaking of, did you guys see Shields was taking PEDs? Not really surprised by anyone anymore, but I guess because he is all vegan and shit, I would not have guess that.

[SPX]

I didn't hear that. Is he just being all open about it?

[poopoo333]

Jake Shields (http://www.fightline.com/fl/profiles/162/jake-shields/) announced last week that he had failed his post-fight drug test following a win over Ed Herman at UFC 150: Henderson vs. Edgar II (http://www.fightline.com/fl/events/2012/218/ufc-150-henderson-vs-edgar-2/). The Colorado Department of Regulatory Agencies' Boxing Commission confirmed with MMAjunkie.com (http://mmajunkie.com/news/31148/colorado-commission-confirms-shields-suspension-ufc-150-win-changed-to-no-contest.mma) on Monday that Shields' victory has been changed to a no-contest.
Also, Shields will be suspended for six months, as he reported himself. The substance which caused the failed test has yet to be announced.



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[MMA_scientist]

Rightm but if it wasn't performance enhancing, I don't think it would have been turned into a no contest. I don't think they do no-contests for pot? Maybe they do. But I think if it was pot, he would just say that, rather than allow the speculation. It shouldn't have been a duiretic, since it was at MW. I deduce it was a steroid.

[SPX]

That's pretty interesting. I guess we'll see how that shakes out.

[MMA_scientist]

That's pretty interesting. I guess we'll see how that shakes out.

Maybe, the UFC obviously does not care at all about PED use. They have pretty much stopped even pretending to care. Unless some journalist makes a stink about it, that will probably be the end of it.

[Ludo]

Rightm but if it wasn't performance enhancing, I don't think it would have been turned into a no contest. I don't think they do no-contests for pot? Maybe they do. But I think if it was pot, he would just say that, rather than allow the speculation. It shouldn't have been a duiretic, since it was at MW. I deduce it was a steroid.

Nick Diaz' win over Gomi was changed to a no contest when he tested positive for pot I think.

[Thewisemann]

It was

[poopoo333]

A couple of UFC 159 fight announcements were just made: Cheick Kongo (http://www.facebook.com/Real.Cheick.Kongo?group_id=0) will face Roy "Big Country" Nelson (http://www.facebook.com/RoyNelsonUFC?group_id=0), and Phil Mr. Wonderful Davis' Fan Page (http://www.facebook.com/philmrwonderful?group_id=0) will take on Vinny Magalhaes (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Vinny-Magalhaes/187992415869?group_id=0).

[SPX]

Pretty sure Vinny gonna get murdered.

Kongo/Roy should be interesting.

[poopoo333]

Yeah, Davis will just outstrike him.

I like Roy Nelson in this one.

[SPX]

I'll take Kongo at +150 or better.

[poopoo333]

Jim Miller vs. Strikeforce import Pat Healy booked for UFC 159 in New Jersey

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[MMA_scientist]

Davis/Vinny is interesting, only because I want to see Vinny's strategy. He can't take down and he can't strike with him... he would have to clinch him and pull guard, that is his only out.

[SPX]

Miller's probably gonna fuck Healy up. Rough welcome to the UFC.

[poopoo333]

Michael Bisping vs Alan Belcher is the co-main event.

[SPX]

I like that matchup a lot.

[poopoo333]

I like Pat Healy's style of fighting and I question Miller's defensive wrestling, but I think Miller has this one for sure.

I like Bisping here. It is a great match up and I can't wait.

[edman5555]

I like that matchup a lot.

I had the same reaction. Great matchup.

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/fights/6519.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[Luke]

Lol at sportinteraction being the one to break lines

[Luke]

I'll be on Belcher..............and

[edman5555]

I think Belcher can win it. His takedown defense is pretty decent and his striking is decent enough to make for a competitive fight on the feet with Bisping. I don't really know who the better striker is to be honest. I think Belcher could have done better against Okami than he did. I remember him getting taken down a lot because he kept going for guillotines.

[SPX]

Bisping is probably the "better" striker, but Belcher is probably the more dynamic fighter. If he just kickboxes for 3 rounds, Belcher will probably lose. But if he fights smart and mixes it up he might be able to pull off the win.

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/fights/6517.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[SPX]

Fuck it, 3u on Phil Davis.

[poopoo333]

I like a black power parlay. Jones/Davis.

[poopoo333]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4nKgg_BbtM&feature=player_embedded

[SPX]

BOL. I thought for the briefest of moments he was going to give a serious explanation as to how he got a title fight while coming off a loss and having no recent fights in the division.

[edman5555]

I wonder if Chael writes this stuff himself. The part where he told him to go hit a tree was good.

[zY|]

He has writers, from what I understand. But regardless, he's still witty off-the-cuff and can adlib a bit, and obviously has great delivery and timing.

[SPX]

He has writers, from what I understand.

How is it that you've come to understand this?

[Luke]

Roy Nelson -185

[zY|]

How is it that you've come to understand this?

Just what those media fags say. I don't have Luke's double-secret-probation sources or anything.

[poopoo333]

Bisping/Belcher OVER 2.5 rounds is -120...I love that

[poopoo333]

Sonnen/Jones over 1.5 rounds -135

Nelson/Kongo over 1.5 rds -165

Davis/Vinny over 1.5 rds -170

I think all the overs hit

[edman5555]

Where are you getting those overs?

I could see vinny amd kongo winning.

Phil probably shouldnt take vinny down so it will probably emd up being a strikng match. Phils striking is nothing special, i dont see why he cant be outstruck here.

Kongo could conceivably win a decision here. He probably wont stop nelson. I could see nelson stopping him. I could also see kongo narrowly outstriking him for three rounds. He should have a significant reach advantage.

[edman5555]

Sonnen/Jones over 1.5 rounds -135

Nelson/Kongo over 1.5 rds -165

Davis/Vinny over 1.5 rds -170

I think all the overs hit

I see davis vinny over 2.5 on five dimes.

[poopoo333]

They must have changed it

[poopoo333]

Kongo/Roy is going to end up being a shitty fight in the clinch imo

[SPX]

Maybe. Though we know Kongo can be KOd so it wouldn't surprise me too much if Roy caught him with one of those haymakers.

[edman5555]

Kongo/Roy is going to end up being a shitty fight in the clinch imo

Anything can happen. I would think kongo might want to tey and keep this fight at range. He should be the more technical striker with the better reach. Maybe kongo by decision? That opened at plus 700.

[SPX]

If Kongo wins, it SHOULD be by decision. He doesn't knock a lot of guys out and Roy almost never gets knocked out. And Kongo's for damn sure not submitting him (although that would be hilarious).

[zY|]

If Kongo stays at range, Roy is going to blow his fucking doors off. This is absolutely going to be a clinch fight. That's how Kongo likes to fight.

[edman5555]

I could see kongo doing well at range. Mir did well at range with roy. Werdum pretty much dismantled him standing. I dont see why kongo cant do it. He could obviously get knocked out.

[Ludo]

I could see kongo doing well at range. Mir did well at range with roy. Werdum pretty much dismantled him standing. I dont see why kongo cant do it. He could obviously get knocked out.

Because he needs to get inside or all the way outside. Mir had the luxury of being both a better striker and as good or better on the ground than Roy. Kongo doesn't have the same luxury. He may very well be almost as good in the clinch but he's nowhere near as good on the ground and that's going to be something Roy pushes for if they clinch up.

[Vandelay]

lines out.

[poopoo333]

If Kongo stays at range, Roy is going to blow his fucking doors off. This is absolutely going to be a clinch fight. That's how Kongo likes to fight.

Agreed. Everybody labels Kongo as some sort of kickboxer...that's not how he fights.

[edman5555]

He can fight that way if he wants. I wouldn't be suprised if roy got him down and had trouble holding him down.

[SPX]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/633.png

[SPX]

Wow, not sure I expected Garcia to be the favorite, especially that big of one.

[zY|]

I could see kongo doing well at range. Mir did well at range with roy. Werdum pretty much dismantled him standing. I dont see why kongo cant do it. He could obviously get knocked out.

Did Mir do well at range with Roy? I don't remember; I only watched that fight once. I seem to remember Mir tossing him around, taking him down often, and positionally dominating him on the ground.

[zY|]

He can fight that way if he wants. I wouldn't be suprised if roy got him down and had trouble holding him down.

Every time he fights that way he either gets knocked out or almost knocked out. The dude has serious power and great technique in his counters (eg Barry, Cain fights) but he has no defense and gets cracked in the face all the time.

-10000 Roy's gut jiggles really funny when Kongo knees him in the nuts in the clinch.

[poopoo333]

This sounds fucking insane, but...Garcia has value.

[SPX]

Garcia at -170? I mean, is that a bet anyone could make with a clear conscience?

[Luke]

Garcia at -170? I mean, is that a bet anyone could make with a clear conscience?


I couldnt make that bet if I was drunk

[edman5555]

This sounds fucking insane, but...Garcia has value.

Cody's striking is fucking terrible and garcia is supposedly a brown belt in jiu jitsu. For what its worth he has had 26 fights and hes only been tapped out twice. He is relentlessly tough and training with Greg Jackson. You would think he could defend Mckenzie's seeeminly only super effective form of attack. That said Mckenzie could come out with something else. I don't think he can outstrike Leonard. I also don't think his wrestling is anything to write home about. If he can somehow get leonard down and in a bad position I could see him pulling something off. Whatever you want to say about Mckenzie, he certainly has the wherewithall to pull off a submission under pressure. He had Yves Edwards in trouble on the ground. If he can get the fight there, he has a shot. I don't count him out of this at all but I see what your saying Poopoo. Leonard Garcia definetly has value. I hope his line gets better. I will bet him.

[SPX]

I suppose it was poetic justice, but I felt bad for Garcia when he got ripped off against Holloway. He won that fight. I hope he gets an old school Leonard Garcia KO here and puts McKenzie away.

[edman5555]

How about Miller being overvalued? He is very good but Healy is no slouch. He has a lot of lossed but they were all earlier in his career. Lately he has been doing well. He gave Josh Thomson a run for his money. Josh arguably beat Gilber Melendez who arguably beat Bendo. I think Healy is pretty decent. I definetly dont want to pay -350 for miller. He'll probably win but Healy's record of 29 and 16 is misleading. It makes him look like he sucks but if you look it up on Wiki most of his losses were earlier in his career. I havent really seen any video on him but I read a play by play of him and Josh Thomson and he won the second round. Thomson is obviously talented, he knocked out nate the other night. Who ever would have imagined that? All said and done I could see Healy pulling out a very tight decision. I might be wrong about that. I am just going off of what I just wrote.

[edman5555]

I suppose it was poetic justice, but I felt bad for Garcia when he got ripped off against Holloway. He won that fight. I hope he gets an old school Leonard Garcia KO here and puts McKenzie away.

Yeah it is poetic justice and I gelt the same thing when they announced the decision. I also felt pissed because I had money on him. Fuck Poetic Justice.

[edman5555]

What do you guys think about James Head and Nick Catone? I wonder if Catone can take him down. Head is pretty good on the feet IMO. Probably better than Catone. He is also a good grappler but Catone is the better straight wrestler. He might be able to take head down enough to win the fight.

I think I can remember Holobaugh versus Healy. Holobaugh looked really good in the beginning with his strikes. He had some real pep in his punches and seemed to have really good movement. Healy got him down a good bit though. I have a theory here. Siler has some good reach but not a lot of power in his punches. I figure Siler might have trouble taking Holobaugh down during this fight. Holobaug was taken down a lot by healy but never submitted. Healy is a strong stocky guy who is a talented wrestler. If siler cant get him down and has to stand with him I think he could be at a disadvantage. He could conceivably get him down or get dropped and end up in guard and work for the sub. Holobaugh is +110 to +120 right now. Maybe if he improves he could be worth it.

It is probably well worth it to rewatch both their fights.

Perez/Bedford. After reading I kinda like Perez but I don't know much about either one of them.

Khabilov seems like a beast. I read an interview with Winkeljohn and he said Khabilov was one of the best wrestler he has seen but he lacked the finishing ability and Greg Jackson was working on his ground and pound. Medieros has been out since something like 2010. Waiting to weigh ins to see how Medieros does might be worth it. If he misses weight bet Khabilov.

Gian villante/St preux. I have no idea here to be honest. I know Villant is a college wrestler.


Bisping/Blecher. This one is super tough to call. I see it going at least into the second or third round barring something crazy happening. Bisping is a conservative fighet whoe defends well though Belcher packs some power. They are both pretty good. I think this one will be really close. Belcher is the dog so we might be able to get him with +3.5 points which could hold some value.

[poopoo333]

Yeah edman, I think Miller is overvalued but he SHOULD win. Healy seems to be very inconsistent with his game when it comes to grapple fucking. If I have said anything about Jim Miller in the past, it's that his wrestling is very overrated, especially is defensive wrestling. In fact, his defensive wrestling is not that great imo, it reminds me of Rick Story. If Healy is having one of those off nights where he can't get the TD at all, he will be very outmatched imo. I played the fight going the distance at -190.

[edman5555]

I'm not touching Phil Davis. Jone by submission at plus +140 is a sweet line. Chael is tough as hell to tko and Jones likes the sub. Well it is sweet as hell for a guy that is -1000. Sonnen by decison at plus 1100 is nice too. I think he juicied to the gills for this fight. He could conveivable outwrestle Jones for five rounds. I can't wait to see the fight. I would bet him by decision but I did that in the first A silva fight and he lost it at the end preventing me from getting a couple grand. That will probabl happen here.

I will say he almost went the distance with Belfort and QJ. Rashad took him there. He isn't invincible. Chael sonnens only likely path to victory is by decision which is at +1200. Pretty damn good odds.

[poopoo333]

I also bet on Bisping/Belcher goes the distance at -135 and -145.

Edman..Perez is out. Caraway is in.

I am actually feeling the overs/unders on this card.

Over 1.5 in Jones/Sonnen
Over 1.5 in Nelson/Kongo
Over 1.5 in Garcia/McKenzie
Over 2.5 in Catone/Head

[edman5555]

Yeah edman, I think Miller is overvalued but he SHOULD win. Healy seems to be very inconsistent with his game when it comes to grapple fucking. If I have said anything about Jim Miller in the past, it's that his wrestling is very overrated, especially is defensive wrestling. In fact, his defensive wrestling is not that great imo, it reminds me of Rick Story. If Healy is having one of those off nights where he can't get the TD at all, he will be very outmatched imo. I played the fight going the distance at -190.

Good call on going the distance.

[poopoo333]

I won't be surprised with Jones by decision but I will play Jones by sub

[edman5555]

I also bet on Bisping/Belcher goes the distance at -135 and -145.

Edman..Perez is out. Caraway is in.

I am actually feeling the overs/unders on this card.

Over 1.5 in Jones/Sonnen
Over 1.5 in Nelson/Kongo
Over 1.5 in Garcia/McKenzie
Over 2.5 in Catone/Head

I like over 1.5 in jones/chael. I read an article about Chael weighing almost 240 for this one before his weight cut. He will be big. Depending on the odds that is nice.

The rest are tough. Head is not a bad finisher but I Guess Catone is tough. 2.5 rounds is a long time though....

Nelson Kongo looks decent depending on odds.

Garcia Mckenie is ok. Usually the sub is more potent early on when they aren't sweaty. Garcia brings it on standing too. Come to think of it this one seems risky without plus odds. I wouldnt bet that one.

[edman5555]

I was just looking over records and I think I will take bisping by decison in this one.

[SPX]

I'm not touching Phil Davis.

I don't know why not. I really doubt Vinny can take him down and on the feet Davis should be able to outbox him without a lot of trouble.

[poopoo333]

I don't know why not. I really doubt Vinny can take him down and on the feet Davis should be able to outbox him without a lot of trouble.

I think he meant he just won't physically touch him. Probably because he is black

[edman5555]

Is phil really that great a boxer? Vinny will be able to throw kicks. Phil might not.

[Ludo]

I don't know why not. I really doubt Vinny can take him down and on the feet Davis should be able to outbox him without a lot of trouble.

Davis has terrible hand speed when it comes to striking. Even his jabs are slow as shit.

[SPX]

But Vinny is just fucking terrible at the striking game.

[MMA_scientist]

I think Phil wins pretty easily standing. Phil throws kicks. Unless he for some silly reason decides to grapple, he should win easy IMO.

[Svino]

Yeah, I like Davis even at -315.

[edman5555]

But Vinny is just fucking terrible at the striking game.

He knocked out michail zayhats with a head kick.

[poopoo333]

He knocked out michail zayhats with a head kick.

So?

[SPX]

He knocked out michail zayhats with a head kick.

Doesn't matter. He still sucks. I mean, have you actually watched some of his M-1 fights? They're really not that impressive.

[mike]

Davis striking sucks too, tbh lol. i would be more confidence betting on Davis if i know he would take it to the ground rather than trying to beat Vinny on the feet.

[SPX]

I don't think his striking sucks. In fact, I was pretty surprised by how quickly he got to the level of being at least decent on the feet. The only time I remember him getting blown out was by Rashad.

[MMA_scientist]

Davis striking sucks too, tbh lol. i would be more confidence betting on Davis if i know he would take it to the ground rather than trying to beat Vinny on the feet.

He'll probably get subbed if spends too much time in guard. Vinny really is very good on his back, he could sub anyone in the world.

For reference:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDZSCnkGrAQ


That said, I wouldn't be surprised if Davis pulled off an "up and down" game plan, where he gets a takedown, stands over and throws some punches and then backs out again. If he stays down there, Vinny will probably catch him IMO. Maybe later in the fight it would be safer.

[mike]

^oh shiet

[SPX]

BOL @ there being only like 7 people in the crowd. Why even hold it in an arena like that?

[edman5555]

Vinny will probaly have the reach advantage. I am going to try to find his fight with michail zhayats. I want to see how his striking looks. I figure a guy with such a good guard game might naturally have decent kicking ability because of his leg dexterity. Kinda like fabricio werdum.

[MMA_scientist]

^ I really don't know. Probably because the prince guy that hosts it wants it to carry the prestige. It is in UAB, so I don't think drawing spectators is a priority, otherwise they would move it to the U.S. People show up to the Mundials, though it is still a really small crowd compared to actual spectator sports. Grappling is basically only watched by fanatic grapplers, it really is boring to watch.

[MMA_scientist]

Vinny will probaly have the reach advantage. I am going to try to find his fight with michail zhayats. I want to see how his striking looks. I figure a guy with such a good guard game might naturally have decent kicking ability because of his leg dexterity. Kinda like fabricio werdum.

He is pretty wild. He just goes super aggresive and hopes to wind up on the ground somehow. He also doesn't like getting hit very much from what I have seen.

To me, it is just kind of a mismatch. Davis is a legit top 10er, maybe even top 5 imo. Vinny has... his guard. He could pull out a submission, but Davis would have to be pretty stupid to get on the ground with him willingly.

[Luke]

need a video of that in slo mo

[edman5555]

His head kick knockout of zayats was pretty impressive. He throws a lot of kicks and his standup didnt look that bad. My thing is this. Phil pretty much has his wrestling and s submissions. Maybe i am wrong but i dont remember him demonstrating much of anything on the feet. Has he ever dropped or rocked anyone? This fight seems winnable for vinny.

[Ludo]

I don't think his striking sucks. In fact, I was pretty surprised by how quickly he got to the level of being at least decent on the feet. The only time I remember him getting blown out was by Rashad.

And Minotoro.

[MMA_scientist]

His head kick knockout of zayats was pretty impressive. He throws a lot of kicks and his standup didnt look that bad. My thing is this. Phil pretty much has his wrestling and s submissions. Maybe i am wrong but i dont remember him demonstrating much of anything on the feet. Has he ever dropped or rocked anyone? This fight seems winnable for vinny.

Maybe I am over estimating Phil's standup. I think his stand up is decent, and he is pretty long. I wouldn't bet Phil because I dpn't like betting favorites where the dog has a clear path to victory, but I just don't think Vinny has the goods.

[poopoo333]

Vinny has shitty cardio too. He is going to lose.

[edman5555]

Vinny has shitty cardio too. He is going to lose.

What fiht are you basing that off of? The ultimate fighter? I think he is better now.

[poopoo333]

What fiht are you basing that off of? The ultimate fighter? I think he is better now.

His M1 fights.

[Svino]

What do you guys think about "Jones by submission" at +140-ish? Personally, I think he's rather likely to finish Chael that way. I think it's part of Jones' regular gameplan to go for late subs after beating guys down, and on top of that we have Sonnen's questionable submission defense.

[edit: checking up the thread, I see Edman weighed in on this already.]

[MMA_scientist]

What do you guys think about "Jones by submission" at +140-ish? Personally, I think he's rather likely to finish Chael that way. I think it's part of Jones' regular gameplan to go for late subs after beating guys down, and on top of that we have Sonnen's questionable submission defense.

[edit: checking up the thread, I see Edman weighed in on this already.]

I like it a lot. Jones is either going to finish Chael with a choke or fracture his face... and I think each is as likely as the other. So + odds, sounds good to me.

[edman5555]

Add in the fact that submissions are generally considered chaels weakness and chaels chin is pretty damn solid. If jones rocks him he will probably try to go for the submission. On top of that chael is going to have to go for the takedown pretty relentlessly throughout this fight. He will be constantly throwing his neck on the dangerzone.

All that said, i am actually starting to think chael has a decent shot at winning his.

[MMA_scientist]

All that said, i am actually starting to think chael has a decent shot at winning his.

Really? How? I could see his cardio holding up a lot better than Jones' and maybe if he somehow survives the first 3, he could get some takedowns late... but I doubt it. Then even if he did, what is going to do? He has no finishing ability, he would have to run a takedown clinic on a bigger, better, wrestler for 3 rounds.

[edman5555]

Wellim not saying i thino he wins i just give a decent shot at it. He handled anderson for five rounds. He isnt horrible or anything. He is the first pressure Wrestler jones has faced. Its jones fight to lose but i expect chael to come in roided to the gills and in amazing shape.

[MMA_scientist]

Wellim not saying i thino he wins i just give a decent shot at it. He handled anderson for five rounds. He isnt horrible or anything. He is the first pressure Wrestler jones has faced. Its jones fight to lose but i expect chael to come in roided to the gills and in amazing shape.

I understand you are not favoring him or anything, I just don't see a legit path to victory for him. He did control Anderson for 4.7 rounds, but Jones has never been taken down, ever. So it is like the one thing Chael can do... he can't do. Or maybe Chael is just that good and he is going to be able to take Jones down, not just once, but repeatedly, despite being the smaller man for the first time in about 5 years.

[SPX]

All I'll say this: Chael Sonnen as a UFC champion would be a glorious thing.

[edman5555]

Chael will probably get his ass kicked. I would like to see him win though.

[Svino]

I think Sonnen has less of a chance against Jones than Vitor did, and probably less of a chance than Bonnar did against Anderson. If I had to bet one side of the Sonnen / Jones line straight up, I'd pick Jones.

[edman5555]

Yesh ive been thinking about it some more and chael could barely outwrestle bisping. Jones should trounce him. What do you guys think of the fight going the distance?

Also. Yancy medieros. Snyone know anything about this guy? Hes been out three years and this is his dbut at welterweight. His opponent is a greg jackson fighter, former sambo champ and his 15 and 1. One of the greg jackson coaches said he is one of the best wrestlers he has ever seen.

Also, i think i will be taking miller. Healy is alrightt but miller really is a good in all areas. Good wrestling, grappling, cardio, chin, and his striki is decent.

[poopoo333]

I'll be laying ~5 units on Healy.

[MMA_scientist]

I think healy could win that too. He is huge and he could out wrestle miller

[Svino]

Thirded. I think Miller will probably win, but I think I see some wrestler-value on Healy. He goes after the TD pretty hard and Miller's defensive wrestling is not very good.

[edman5555]

Hmm really? I was originally thinking it could be close. Maybe i will lay off.

[poopoo333]

I might put 2-3 units on Healy straight and the same on him +3.5 at +145.

[Thewisemann]

I bet healy dec

[edman5555]

Anyone else not have fight of the night, ko and sub of night props on 5dimes anymore??

[edman5555]

I might put 2-3 units on Healy straight and the same on him +3.5 at +145.

I like the +3.5 bet. The only thing that worries me is Miller goes for the sub a lot and he is good at it.

[Vandelay]

probably because the catone head fight was scrapped

[edman5555]

Anyone else not have fight of the night, ko and sub of night props on 5dimes anymore??

Forget it I answered my own question. Catone fight has been canceled therefore all "of the night" bets are void.

I was going to bet Siler and Holobaugh at 15 to 1. Watch it happen.

[poopoo333]

I wanted to bet Holobaugh KOTN

[edman5555]

Holobaugh looked really good in his fight against Healy. He was doing well on the feet. His movement looked great in the standup and his cardio looks really really good. He was even doing decently in the scrambles but he kept going for submissions against Healy. That allowed Healy to gain position on him. If it wasnt for him doing that he would have done better. He seems to realize that though. I read an interview with him where he stated that he thinks some amateurish moves cost him the fight. Those were basically them. Even the commentators were mentioning it. I am hoping that Silers lankyness will prevent him from being able to take down Holobaugh and his standup wont be as good as Holonbaughs.

I think Holobaugh might try to take him down where Siler could sub him though. That is why I bet the sub prop on it.

I could also see Holobaugh knocking out Siler. The reason I didnt bet it was because Holobaugh could catch him standing and then go for the sub.

[Vandelay]

http://i.imgur.com/5gxNrrb.jpg

[Luke]

How do you continue to fight with that and not notice, wtf?

[SPX]

Damn. If only Sonnen could've survived. . .

[Ludo]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QAU1VOBUGKs/UXyqoaA0AiI/AAAAAAAAhqo/KENhPei64eA/s1600/00.gif

[SPX]

Is the mat really that deadly?

[poopoo333]

LOL worst night of betting either. I literally went 0-8. These were heartbreakers though:

5.6u to win 4u on Michael Bisping/Alan Belcher goes the distance
3.8u to win 2u on Pat Healy/Jim Miller goes the distance

30 seconds to go.
58 seconds to go.

damn.

[Vandelay]

I dont think anyone did very well yesterday. If Jones would have lost due to the toe, it would have fucked every1 up and been a fitting end to the card.

[Luke]

what time of the fight did that happen to his toe?

[Luke]

What was Jones in rd1 ?

[SPX]

So a lot of people are saying on SD that they heard this Devil voice during the broadcast last night. Anyone here hear it? And what the fuck is it?




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLvQJ312tPE

[Luke]

You sure that isnt edited in?

[MMA_scientist]

Jones has tiny calves.

[edman5555]

Yeah he is really a great wrestler. To have chicken legs and toss everyone around is hard.

[Thewisemann]

LOL worst night of betting either. I literally went 0-8. These were heartbreakers though:

5.6u to win 4u on Michael Bisping/Alan Belcher goes the distance
3.8u to win 2u on Pat Healy/Jim Miller goes the distance

30 seconds to go.
58 seconds to go.

damn.

I feel you. I had belcher/bisping and Healy dec +425

[SPX]

You sure that isnt edited in?

There were several threads that popped up on SD last night from people saying they heard it and asking if anyone else did.

[Svino]

What was Jones in rd1 ?

I got a little bet in on "Ends in round 1" at +150 on BookMaker. "Jones rnd 1" probably wouldn't be to much different.

At the same time, BM had "Ends round 2" at +110. I think it's crazy to ever have the round 2 prop higher than the round 1 prop and that's the first time I can remember seeing that.

[Luke]

I got a little bet in on "Ends in round 1" at +150 on BookMaker. "Jones rnd 1" probably wouldn't be to much different.

At the same time, BM had "Ends round 2" at +110. I think it's crazy to ever have the round 2 prop higher than the round 1 prop and that's the first time I can remember seeing that.

Thanks, was just curious . I figured Sonnen wouldnt make it out of the 1st but I wouldnt have played it at +150

[poopoo333]

Jones in R1 closed at +230 on 5d.

[poopoo333]

Looks like we are gonna see Roy Nelson vs Daniel Cormier.

[poopoo333]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykcmBA_R4mI

This worked out well.

Also, Vinny coaches BJJ to Chael and Chael coaches trash talk to Vinny.

"The easiest guy in the top 10"...sound familiar?

[Luke]

Looks like we are gonna see Roy Nelson vs Daniel Cormier.


Ahh.....that makes no sense. Nelson is a step down from Mir, not up.

[zY|]

So a lot of people are saying on SD that they heard this Devil voice during the broadcast last night. Anyone here hear it? And what the fuck is it?




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLvQJ312tPE

I heard it. I was watching it in HD in a room full of people who also heard it. Shit was fucking weird as hell.

[SPX]

Dude, that was the fucking Devil. I know it.

[Vandelay]

If Anderson and Bones were to fight, how do you think the fight would play out?

[Svino]

If Anderson and Bones were to fight, how do you think the fight would play out?

If they were to fight, Jones GnP's Anderson. I don't see the fight happening, though.

Silva on fighting Jones -- "There's always been a lot of talk about me moving up to 205," said Silva, who successfully has defended his title a UFC-record 10 times. "I know (UFC president) Dana (White) has talked about it and all the fans have talked about me moving up and facing Jon Jones. "But it's something I've never wanted. I won't be pretentious and say that I'd want to move up, especially because there are other guys in the weight class and on our team like Rafael Feijao (Cavalcante) and (Antonio Rogerio) Minotoro Nogueira, guys who could potentially face Jon Jones in the future. "What got me this far is that I'm grounded; my weight class is 185 and I'm 37 years old. I feel I need to be honest and continue to build what I've built and that is to keep defending my belt at 185."

Jones on fighting Silva -- It’s not that he won’t fight me or I won’t fight him. To be dead honest, it’s that we both have a lot to lose and we both respect each other a lot and we both are striving for personal greatness. I don’t want to crack on his greatness and I don’t want him cracking on my greatness. We’re in completely different weight classes. We both have sponsor deals and things that are really important to us and a big part of that sponsorship package is being a winning…being a champion. Having us fight each other means one of our championships goes away. I respect Anderson Silva so much that I don’t want to be the guy to beat him. I don’t want to lose to him either. It’s a lose-lose situation for me.

[Svino]

Dude, that was the fucking Devil. I know it.

It was some warlock casting a curse on the Octagon to make it destroy thumbs and eyeballs and toes.

[SPX]

If they were to fight, Jones GnP's Anderson. I don't see the fight happening, though.

Silva on fighting Jones -- "There's always been a lot of talk about me moving up to 205," said Silva, who successfully has defended his title a UFC-record 10 times. "I know (UFC president) Dana (White) has talked about it and all the fans have talked about me moving up and facing Jon Jones. "But it's something I've never wanted. I won't be pretentious and say that I'd want to move up, especially because there are other guys in the weight class and on our team like Rafael Feijao (Cavalcante) and (Antonio Rogerio) Minotoro Nogueira, guys who could potentially face Jon Jones in the future. "What got me this far is that I'm grounded; my weight class is 185 and I'm 37 years old. I feel I need to be honest and continue to build what I've built and that is to keep defending my belt at 185."

Jones on fighting Silva -- It’s not that he won’t fight me or I won’t fight him. To be dead honest, it’s that we both have a lot to lose and we both respect each other a lot and we both are striving for personal greatness. I don’t want to crack on his greatness and I don’t want him cracking on my greatness. We’re in completely different weight classes. We both have sponsor deals and things that are really important to us and a big part of that sponsorship package is being a winning…being a champion. Having us fight each other means one of our championships goes away. I respect Anderson Silva so much that I don’t want to be the guy to beat him. I don’t want to lose to him either. It’s a lose-lose situation for me.

Indeed. Some unexpectedly honest answers there. I'm not sure I can say I really blame either guy. Although, perhaps hypocritically, I think GSP should've fought Anderson long ago.

Also: It's just not cool when one cracks on another's greatness.

[SPX]

It was some warlock casting a curse on the Octagon to make it destroy thumbs and eyeballs and toes.

Now that you say that, it IS the most logical explanation.

[Luke]

If they were to fight, Jones GnP's Anderson. I don't see the fight happening, though.

Silva on fighting Jones -- "There's always been a lot of talk about me moving up to 205," said Silva, who successfully has defended his title a UFC-record 10 times. "I know (UFC president) Dana (White) has talked about it and all the fans have talked about me moving up and facing Jon Jones. "But it's something I've never wanted. I won't be pretentious and say that I'd want to move up, especially because there are other guys in the weight class and on our team like Rafael Feijao (Cavalcante) and (Antonio Rogerio) Minotoro Nogueira, guys who could potentially face Jon Jones in the future. "What got me this far is that I'm grounded; my weight class is 185 and I'm 37 years old. I feel I need to be honest and continue to build what I've built and that is to keep defending my belt at 185."

Jones on fighting Silva -- It’s not that he won’t fight me or I won’t fight him. To be dead honest, it’s that we both have a lot to lose and we both respect each other a lot and we both are striving for personal greatness. I don’t want to crack on his greatness and I don’t want him cracking on my greatness. We’re in completely different weight classes. We both have sponsor deals and things that are really important to us and a big part of that sponsorship package is being a winning…being a champion. Having us fight each other means one of our championships goes away. I respect Anderson Silva so much that I don’t want to be the guy to beat him. I don’t want to lose to him either. It’s a lose-lose situation for me.


pussies.

[Vandelay]

If Anderson and Bones were to fight, how do you think the fight would play out?

...Okay so back to this question. One reply? thanks Svino.

[Vandelay]

And yea, they probably wont fight each other. Im pretty excited for the weidman fight to be honest, but I can always hope for that superfight.

[SPX]

I think Bones would win, probably by GnP, like Svino said. I think he's just too big and long for Anderson, a guy who has already proven that while his T3D is quite good, he CAN be put on his back. And if Jones was able to take down and control Sonnen as easily as he did then he can definitely do the same to Anderson. I don't even think it's necessarily a matter of Jones being BETTER than Anderson. He just has certain physical gifts that I think Anderson--a man who fights regularly in a weight class 20 lbs below LHW and who once fought at WW--cannot overcome.

Honestly, I'd much rather see Anderson fight GSP. It's a more even matchup, in my opinion.

[poopoo333]

Following UFC 159 loss, Chael Sonnen not retiring and eyeing Wanderlei Silva for next fight

....

[SPX]

I knew that motherfucker wasn't going to retire.

[poopoo333]

Sonnen would destroy Wandy...silly fight but has a story behind it I guess.

[SPX]

Yes, it will probably be a takedown clinic. But Wand has shown that he can still hit someone just right and rattle their brain.

[MMA_scientist]

I think Wand would have a great chance. I would bet him.

[Thewisemann]

You think he can stop the td?

[MMA_scientist]

You think he can stop the td?

Probably not. But Chael isn't going to finish him... and name a time in Wanderlei's entire career where he lost to top control. I mean, Chael was close with Bisping, I don't think Bisping is better than Wand, even old Wand. He miht be more difficult to take down, but he definitely doesn't have the power or the defensive grappling that Wand has.

[Vandelay]

When has Wand ever faced an american wrestler? I dont know if he ever has.

[MMA_scientist]

When has Wand ever faced an american wrestler? I dont know if he ever has.

He has, but it has been a while. Van Arsdale, Hendo, Tito. Not sure how being American helps them though...

I am not saying I favor Wand, but I don't see it as a foregone conclusion that Chael will be able to do his thing either.

[Vandelay]

Hendo rarely uses his wrestling and doesnt really do so in the traditional sense of shooting for them. Van Arsdale fight was about 15 years ago and I have no idea how it played out. Tito is probably the most relevant comparison and he lost that fight, but that was also a long time ago.

And I mentioned american wrestling because it is generally considered to have the best wrestlers in terms of mma. Also a primary grappling form compared to other countries who emphasize jiu jitsu, judo, sambo, etc.

[Ludo]

Hendo rarely uses his wrestling and doesnt really do so in the traditional sense of shooting for them. Van Arsdale fight was about 15 years ago and I have no idea how it played out. Tito is probably the most relevant comparison and he lost that fight, but that was also a long time ago.

And I mentioned american wrestling because it is generally considered to have the best wrestlers in terms of mma. Also a primary grappling form compared to other countries who emphasize jiu jitsu, judo, sambo, etc.

Chuck Liddell.

[SPX]

So the instantly wealthy Pat Healy is no longer nearly as wealthy. Since when do fighters have to give up their bonus money just because they got popped for something? I don't remember that being the case in the past.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mma-cagewriter/pat-healy-positive-drug-test-cost-him-130-154118542.html

[MMA_scientist]

^ I don't understand these guys. It seems like you should be able to abstain for 6 goddamned weeks.

[SPX]

Yeah, no shit. I mean, is it even worth it? Why risk it? They should just learn to drink like I do.

[Ludo]

So the instantly wealthy Pat Healy is no longer nearly as wealthy. Since when do fighters have to give up their bonus money just because they got popped for something? I don't remember that being the case in the past.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mma-cagewriter/pat-healy-positive-drug-test-cost-him-130-154118542.html

Nick Diaz had to give his up when he popped with Condit I believe. It's usually common practice that when a guy pisses hot for anything the UFC takes back whatever bonuses they gave out.

[MMA_scientist]

Yeah, no shit. I mean, is it even worth it? Why risk it? They should just learn to drink like I do.

No kidding. I don't understand it at all. But them, I understand little.

[SPX]

I wonder if he was just like, "Well, I'm not gonna win, so fuck it." But I'm sure that wasn't the case.

Did he just not think he was going to get tested? Did he think he quit smoking early enough that it would be out of his system?

It just seems totally retarded to me that you would risk having to give back $100,000+ because you want to smoke some weed and watch some Aquateen or whatever.

[MMA_scientist]

It just seems totally retarded to me that you would risk having to give back $100,000+ because you want to smoke some weed and watch some Aquateen or whatever.

Bol. People do stupid shit all the time. He probably didn't properly weigh the risks. I mean, to me, the risk of possessing mj in and of itself outweighs the possible benefit (but then, I don't believe there are benefits, only more detriments, but that is another discussion for another day).

[poopoo333]

I doubt he expected to get FOTN or SOTN BOL. People usually complain about his fights and they complain that he wins boring decisions.

[SPX]

So apparently Nate Diaz is suspended for calling Bryan Caraway a faggot.

http://www.mmajunkie.com/news/2013/05/white-fine-and-suspension-or-release-for-nate-diaz-tweet-manager-unrepentant

[Luke]

So apparently Nate Diaz is suspended for calling Bryan Caraway a faggot.

http://www.mmajunkie.com/news/2013/05/white-fine-and-suspension-or-release-for-nate-diaz-tweet-manager-unrepentant


Yet another reason Boxing>UFC

No holds barred fighters cant use the word fag, bol!!

Tyson once told Lewis he was going to eat his children....no one cared.

[SPX]

Strangely, something tells me that would be less of a big deal.

[Luke]

Strangely, something tells me that would be less of a big deal.

BOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But really, why does anyone care he called someone a fag? Its beyond stupid imo

[SPX]

I agree it's stupid.

But for whatever reason faggot is one of those hot button words. Like nigqer.

[Luke]

I agree it's stupid.

But for whatever reason faggot is one of those hot button words. Like nigqer.


It should be like UFC 1........anything goes. Faggot, homo, colored, spook, spic , hick, kike, muff diver, jew, fag, towel head, dyke, half-dick, queer, midget, slave, people mcnugget,wetback,rug rider, porch monkey,prairie-ni.gger ,yellow monkey, wigger, cock gobbler, rice picker, wanker,back door bandit ,and polock should all be okay....imo, of course

[SPX]

I've never heard some of those.

I suppose, to be fair, we should add redneck, white trash, honky and cracker.

[Luke]

I've never heard some of those.

I suppose, to be fair, we should add redneck, white trash, honky and cracker.


I put hick. That's what people around here call rednecks

And how could you not here or half of those?

[SPX]

Half-dick? People McNugget?

Nope.

[MMA_scientist]

BOL luke.

The UFC is trying way too hard to be PC.

If boxing had grappling it would definitely be better than MMA.

[SPX]

If boxing had grappling it would definitely be better than MMA.

They don't even kick in that shit.

[Luke]

Half-dick? People McNugget?

Nope.


People Mcnugget= midget

Half-dick= jew with a circumcision

[SPX]

Yep, never heard those.