UFC on FX 7 Vitor Belfort vs Michael Bisping

[poopoo333]

UFC makes official Jan. 19 card in Brazil with Vitor Belfort vs. Michael Bisping headliner (http://mmajunkie.com/news/31420/ufc-makes-official-jan-19-card-in-brazil-with-vitor-belfort-vs-michael-bisping-headliner.mma)

MAIN CARD

Vitor Belfort vs. Michael Bisping
C.B. Dollaway vs. Daniel Sarafian
Gabriel Gonzaga vs. Ben Rothwell
Khabib Nurmagomedov vs. Thiago Tavares

PRELIMINARY CARD

Godofredo Castro vs. Milton Vieira
Andrew Craig vs. Ronny Markes
Nik Lentz vs. Diego Nunes
Edson Barboza vs. Justin Salas
Michael Kuiper vs. Thiago Perpetuo
Yuri Alcantara vs. George Roop
Roger Hollett vs. Wagner Prado
Francisco Trinaldo vs. C.J. Keith

[poopoo333]

I really hope they add one more fight for the co main event.

Line guesses on Bisping/Belfort? I think it will be around even, but I wouldn't mind see Bisping come out around +150. Most likely that will not happen, as Belcher was +165 against Belfort when that fight was scheduled.

Gonzaga/Rothwell is pretty interesting.

Markes/Craig is going to be a good one...I will probably keep riding the Markes wagon.

I am going to be betting Lentz over Nunes at + numbers (Why is this not on the main card?)

Salas has potential for the upset over Barboza.

[Mr. IWS]

I love Belfort. -180?

[poopoo333]

I love Belfort. -180?

Honestly I think you will be getting him around -140 at worst.

[SPX]

I'll bet Bisping as a dog.

[poopoo333]

I'll bet Bisping as a dog.

http://www.graciemag.com/en/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/michael-bisping.jpg

[edman5555]

Lentz over Nunes? I think Nunes takes it.

[Svino]

I think Belfort / Bisping will be close to even when it comes out. If so, I will probably be betting Vitor. If Vitor comes out as a substantial favorite, I'll pass.

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/fights/6201.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[MMA_scientist]

Vitor at -154 seems like a pretty good deal to me. Bisping can win with takedowns... but I think Vitor is a lot more crafty on the mat than he gets credit for (if Bisping can get him down).

[poopoo333]

I bet Bisping at +160 for the max they allowed ($100). Back down to +120 now

[SPX]

If I can get Bisping at +160 I'll probably throw half a unit on it.

[poopoo333]

I tried to throw 5u on it ($200) but they only let you bet the openers $100...kinda sucks

[MMA_scientist]

How do you guys see Bisping winning here?

[SPX]

I could just see him outpointing Vitor, especially in the 2nd and 3rd rds. Bisping is hard to finish, too. So if Vitor doesn't do it in the first then I'm not sure he'll do it.

[MMA_scientist]

Well, I think he is going to get his fuckin ass whipped. So, fuck you.

[SPX]

I could see that, too. But I do not think Vitor should be a big favorite here.

[Svino]

I could definitely see wrestler-Bisping beating Vitor.

I can't imagine the guy I just saw fight Brian Stann beating Vitor on the feet though. Not even over 3 rounds; I think Vitor has underrated cardio.

[SPX]

Since when is Brian Stann a bad fighter, though?

[MMA_scientist]

Stann is 2nd tier at best, and even then, he only does well against other strikers. Bisping gets dropped all the time (Wand, Rivera, Stann?, Hendo, Kang)... I think Vitor will find his chin and then swarm him. I would say Vitor is the best striker Bisping has faced of that group.

I fully expect Bisping to come to grapple.

[SPX]

I wouldn't quite call Stann an A-level fighter but to call him "second tier at best" doesn't do him justice. He's pretty damn good, he's just not great.

[edman5555]

Stann is 2nd tier at best, and even then, he only does well against other strikers. Bisping gets dropped all the time (Wand, Rivera, Stann?, Hendo, Kang)... I think Vitor will find his chin and then swarm him. I would say Vitor is the best striker Bisping has faced of that group.

I fully expect Bisping to come to grapple.

Vitor almost armbarred Jones. Supposedly he heard his arm pop. He also handled Anthony Johnson really well on the mat. Bispings BJJ is supposedly pretty good though. How many rounds is this?

[MMA_scientist]

I wouldn't quite call Stann an A-level fighter but to call him "second tier at best" doesn't do him justice. He's pretty damn good, he's just not great.

He's a can. A glorious American hero tomato can.

[MMA_scientist]

Vitor almost armbarred Jones. Supposedly he heard his arm pop. He also handled Anthony Johnson really well on the mat. Bispings BJJ is supposedly pretty good though. How many rounds is this?

Yeah, traditionally Vitor handles wrestlers pretty well. Bisping would get beat in a grappling only affair, but he stays pretty active with his punches from top. He is a non-stop gnp machine.

[poopoo333]

Vitor almost armbarred Jones. Supposedly he heard his arm pop. He also handled Anthony Johnson really well on the mat. Bispings BJJ is supposedly pretty good though. How many rounds is this?

Jones has a hurt elbow still. And he handled AJ on the mat after AJ gassed miserably after almost dying (again) cutting too much weight/still not making weight. AJ was getting him down easy before he went into cardiac arrest. This will probably be 5 rounds.

[SPX]

I agree, Vitor actually did NOT look good against AJ until AJ gassed. In fact, I was a little concerned for my bet. Props to the ref for those instantaneous standups.

[edman5555]

Ok I didn't remember how bad he gassed. That said, AJ is a better wrestler than Bisping...That said, who knows if Bisping can get him down. I tend to think he can.

[Svino]

As much as I like Vitor, I would say that his TDD is outright bad. Not only that, but he tends to play bjj off his back instead of trying to get back to his feet ASAP. That was how they did it in the old days, but it's not the smart strategy in modern MMA anymore.

His offensive wrestling is probably underrated, but I don't see him getting anything going against Bisping in that regard.

[edman5555]

As much as I like Vitor, I would say that his TDD is outright bad. Not only that, but he tends to play bjj off his back instead of trying to get back to his feet ASAP. That was how they did it in the old days, but it's not the smart strategy in modern MMA anymore.

His offensive wrestling is probably underrated, but I don't see him getting anything going against Bisping in that regard.

Why do you say it is bad? What fights? The AJ fight or are there other fights you have seen?

[Svino]

Why do you say it is bad? What fights? The AJ fight or are there other fights you have seen?

Historically, he has had trouble with wrestlers: Hendo, Ortiz, Couture. He blew away Lindland, but the speed difference there was way too much for an aging Lindland to overcome.

FM has his career TD defense at 49% which is not good for a guy of his level who is at his best when standing.
http://hosteddb.fightmetric.com/fighters/details/295#

[edman5555]

Those were also many many years ago, it is hard to use them as a reference. Wrestling has become more important every year, I am sure he trains it much more than he used to.

[Svino]

Those were also many many years ago, it is hard to use them as a reference. Wrestling has become more important every year, I am sure he trains it much more than he used to.

If his TDD had looked a lot better in recent fights, I would agree. But I think I see the same Vitor.

[edman5555]

If his TDD had looked a lot better in recent fights, I would agree. But I think I see the same Vitor.

Yeah I think I should watch him fight AJ again. That was the only fight he was taken down in correct?

[SPX]

And the Jones fight, of course.

The thing is that he knocked everyone else out in the first minute or so since he got back to the UFC (with the exception of Anderson). So most guys haven't even really gotten the chance to get him down.

[edman5555]

Good point. I haven't watched the Jones fight. I should watch that one. How was it?

[Svino]

Vitor took an interesting gameplan with Jones. Basically, every time Jones got close to a TD, Vitor pulled guard.

[edman5555]

Well he came in heavily muscled. If he tried to fight every takedown he would probably lose just because Jones is a way better wrestler. That would eventually cause him to gas out horribbly. I bet he probably figured he had a good shot at submitting Jones off his back.

[edman5555]

I really hope they add one more fight for the co main event.

Line guesses on Bisping/Belfort? I think it will be around even, but I wouldn't mind see Bisping come out around +150. Most likely that will not happen, as Belcher was +165 against Belfort when that fight was scheduled.

Gonzaga/Rothwell is pretty interesting.

Markes/Craig is going to be a good one...I will probably keep riding the Markes wagon.

I am going to be betting Lentz over Nunes at + numbers (Why is this not on the main card?)

Salas has potential for the upset over Barboza.

I think Craig has been very lucky so far. He nailed Natal with that head kick after losing the first round and Kyle Noke was injured for their fight. I think Markes will run right through him.

Betting Lentz over Nunes? I don't get that at all. Can you explain? Lentz likes to get inside and box/wrestle IMO. Nunes has good takedown defense and good movement. How do you see Lentz beating him. Do you expect nunes to gas or something?

[edman5555]

I think Yuri Alcantra should be able to beat George Roop too.

[edman5555]

Poopoo, why lentz over nunes? i am really interested in this one.

[poopoo333]

Poopoo, why lentz over nunes? i am really interested in this one.

I just have a feeling he will be a decent sized dog and I like betting top control wrestler guys (or guys who go for takedowns against the cage and stay there for 15 minutes) at + odds.

[edman5555]

I just have a feeling he will be a decent sized dog and I like betting top control wrestler guys (or guys who go for takedowns against the cage and stay there for 15 minutes) at + odds.

why are you feeling so confident in Lentz? He leaned on Winner for the decison, almost literally. He had a very close fight with Tyson griffin, losing in a lot of peoples eyes. He lost the first two rounds to Waylon Lowe before choking him out. He got the crap kicked out of him by Oliviera. Then he lost to Bocek and Dunham. Granted he did ok in some of those fights and they are at 155 pounds but why do you feel like he beats Nunes? I feel like it could be close but I also think that Nunes style might be really hard for him. He has pretty good takedown defense, not amazing..but he moves around really well and has good striking. I could see Lentz having a lot of trouble tracking him down to make this fight an up close gritty contest. Those are the type of fights he wins. I think he loses rangy fights like Nunes would probably like to impose here.

[poopoo333]

I am not "so confident" in him.

[edman5555]

ok

[edman5555]

I get it. He is a pushy wrestler coming down in weight that has done well so far at 145 that will probably be a dog.

[poopoo333]

I get it. He is a pushy wrestler coming down in weight that has done well so far at 145 that will probably be a dog.

Pretty much this.

[poopoo333]

edman, I watched Nunes vs Florian last night and it made me like Lentz even more in this fight. Nunes has a poor gas tank and was taken down and controlled by Florian for a good portion of their fight. I can see Nunes stuffing Lentz in round 1 and taking it, but if Lentz brings the pressure in round 1 and forces Nunes to grapple a little bit, I believe Lentz will be a bit more successful in the 2nd part of the fight.

[poopoo333]

Michael Bisping vs Vitor Belfort - 5 rounds - UFC on FX 7 propositions


Sat 1/19

1003 Bisping/Belfort goes 5 round distance

+170





11:30PM

1004 Fight won't go 5 round distance

-230





Sat 1/19

1005 Bisping wins inside distance

+229





11:30PM

1006 Not Bisping inside distance

-309





Sat 1/19

1007 Bisping wins by 5 round decision

+340





11:30PM

1008 Not Bisping by 5 round decision

-510





Sat 1/19

1009 Belfort wins inside distance

+133





11:30PM

1010 Not Belfort inside distance

-173





Sat 1/19

1011 Belfort wins by 5 round decision

+470





11:30PM

1012 Not Belfort by 5 round decision

-810





Sat 1/19

1013 Bisping/Belfort draw

+7000





11:30PM

1014 Fight not a draw

-18500

[edman5555]

edman, I watched Nunes vs Florian last night and it made me like Lentz even more in this fight. Nunes has a poor gas tank and was taken down and controlled by Florian for a good portion of their fight. I can see Nunes stuffing Lentz in round 1 and taking it, but if Lentz brings the pressure in round 1 and forces Nunes to grapple a little bit, I believe Lentz will be a bit more successful in the 2nd part of the fight.

A poor gas tank could definetly hurt him against Lentz. Lentz is tough as nails as well. He can keep it close quarters where he excels by using his wrestling. The thing about Nunes is he seems to have good footwork IIRC. That is the only thing that makes me worry about him VS Lentz. If Lentz cant keep it in close he could be in a little bit of trouble. I think whichever way it goes it will be really close. I would be suprised to see either guy win 3 rounds. Lentz could be a decent dog bet though. He should be much improved over his 155 performances given the decrease in his opponents size. Another thing to keep in mind about florian is his striking is pretty good. He uses that to get inside. He held Aldo against the cage for a round in their fight as well.

Id think it would be worthwhile to look at some of his recent fights to see how his cardio is. If he gassed in the Florian fight it could be something he looked to improve on. That said, Lentz is a grinder that can obviously push him. I can't really decide on this one, I guess it will depend on the line. I bet it goes the distance.

[poopoo333]

What are your guys thoughts on Gonzaga vs Rothwell? Pretty tough fight to call imo

[edman5555]

Yeah it is. Id be worried about gonzaga slapping on a submission, i think rothwell is more well rounded though.

[poopoo333]

Dana White confirms if Michael Bisping wins at UFC on FX 7, he will get the next shot at Anderson Silva

....

[Mr. IWS]

Will bet poopoo's 2012 MMA winnings on Anderson.

[edman5555]

Michael Bisping vs Vitor Belfort - 5 rounds - UFC on FX 7 propositions


Sat 1/19

1003 Bisping/Belfort goes 5 round distance

+170





11:30PM

1004 Fight won't go 5 round distance

-230





Sat 1/19

1005 Bisping wins inside distance

+229





11:30PM

1006 Not Bisping inside distance

-309





Sat 1/19

1007 Bisping wins by 5 round decision

+340





11:30PM

1008 Not Bisping by 5 round decision

-510





Sat 1/19

1009 Belfort wins inside distance

+133





11:30PM

1010 Not Belfort inside distance

-173





Sat 1/19

1011 Belfort wins by 5 round decision

+470





11:30PM

1012 Not Belfort by 5 round decision

-810





Sat 1/19

1013 Bisping/Belfort draw

+7000





11:30PM

1014 Fight not a draw

-18500





Belfort bulked up for the Jon Jones fight didn't he? I'd look for the video but it probably isn't there. I remember Jones saying that they acutally changed their gameplan in the backroom before the fight because Vitor looked so big at the weigh ins. This could cause some problems for Vitor during the fight. The fight was in September, I don't see how Vitor could cut down on his muscle mass by then, at least not in a significant way. If I am right about that then it would make sense that me could have a rough cut to 185. He's made it before, but Bisping is a bit of a grinder and this is 5 rounds. I could see Bisping taking over with his wrestling later on in the fight against a tired Vitor. I don't see Bisping subbing him or knocking him out though.

On the other hand, Belfort has some big power and speed in his hands. I guess it goes without saying but I'll say it anyways. That has always been Bispings problem. He gets rocked in almost every fight and Vitor is a finisher.

I guess I lean Vitor but I'm not really sure. How do you guys see the wrestling playing out?

[poopoo333]

I think Bisping survives the 1st round and a half and takes over with active striking, clinch work, wrestling. I am very confident in the Brit here.

[edman5555]

Also, what do you guys think of Ronny Markes Vs Andrew Craig?

Markes has shown some fantastic wrestling against Atrain and Vemola. Craig is undefeated and a brown belt in jiu jitsu. He beat Noke but Noke was injured during the fight. Craig was also getting beat by Natal until he had that come from behind head kick. I guess I like Markes to win this one.

Makres ufc profile states he is the Natal state Jiu-Jitsu champion and vice Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu champion. Whatever that means, hes the Al Gore of Jiu jitsu. He is also a brown belt in BJJ under Jair Lourenco of Nova Uniao.

Craig has one submission win and one ko outside of Natal. That guy he knocked out had 2 fights under his belt at the time. I am leaning towards Markes. His line will probably be ridiculous.

[edman5555]

I think Bisping survives the 1st round and a half and takes over with active striking, clinch work, wrestling. I am very confident in the Brit here.

Really? I guess I can see why. One thing I will say about Vitor is that you can make an argument for him being overrated. He does perform well during fights, (ko'ing rich and Akiyama, tapping out AJ) but aside from them most of the guys he's knocked out weren't that well known. Before them it was Matt Lindland and Terry Martin. To be fair his only losses in the ufc are against the pound for pound best fighters in the world. Gotta give him credit for fighting both of them. He also has super fast hands, huge ko power and really great BJJ. He's like a technical Chris Leben.

[poopoo333]

I will definitely be on Markes, I overlooked this fight. He shoud be in the mid -200s but if his line is worse than expected I will find something to parlay.

[edman5555]

I feel like Markes will be able to take Craig down at will.

[edman5555]

Or close to it, that sounded kinda dramatic. Congrats on last nights big win again BTW. Are you going to increase the size of next years bankroll with all this new cash? You should. You are doing well now.

[poopoo333]

Thanks. Not by much. $50 units in 2013 compared to $40. Gonna cash out about $2k next week and keep $2.5k in for a 50u bankroll to start.

[edman5555]

Thanks. Not by much. $50 units in 2013 compared to $40. Gonna cash out about $2k next week and keep $2.5k in for a 50u bankroll to start.

If you don't really need the money you should give it a try. Play with 75 dollar units. Be conservative.

[edman5555]

Be conservative with your bets I mean.

[poopoo333]

Well I would like to start with 50 unit bank roll and I want to make a good sized withdrawal on the 9th (when it's free) so I can put it in my savings account. It will give me a good boost to operation save a lot of fucking money in 2013.

[poopoo333]

Also, my main bet of this card will definitely be Ronny Markes. Looked a little more into the fight and he will be a sure play.

[edman5555]

Yeah I feel like he should dominate.

[poopoo333]

I just read that Nik Lentz was +175 on a UK book and now he is down to +150.

[edman5555]

I just read that Nik Lentz was +175 on a UK book and now he is down to +150.

Interesting. I'm still not sure who I think wins the fight.

[Thewisemann]

I might take Lenzt at +150, wasnt his fight against Manvil close?

[mike]

i think Markes is gonna be like -400. I'll still parlay him tho. Odds out on the Dollaway and Tavares fights.

[poopoo333]

I don't know anything about Safarian but +135 on an American wrestler against some foreigner seems good

[mike]

i remember researching him awhile back and he looked pretty solid. decent tdd, striking and gas tank. Does Dolloway have a good gas tank? i recall him being gassed in some fights.

[edman5555]

Kabib tabares is about even. Not sure who wins that one. I think khabib probably.

[poopoo333]

Tough fight. Line should be about even imo so I am staying away. Would only bet on a medium dog most likely.

[edman5555]

i remember researching him awhile back and he looked pretty solid. decent tdd, striking and gas tank. Does Dolloway have a good gas tank? i recall him being gassed in some fights.

Sarfian has never knocked anyone out in his pro career. He did ko a high level bjj guy on the ultimate fighter while he was shooting in for a takedown. Aside from that his record is nothing impressive. I dont see why he is favored.

[edman5555]

Okay i read sarafians profile. He is a black belt in bjj. He was also the sao paolo bij champion from white belt to brown belt. He could be dangerous to dolloway if he has decent standup.

[edman5555]

George Roop out of fight with Yuri Alcantra. Pedro Nobre in.

[edman5555]

I might take Lenzt at +150, wasnt his fight against Manvil close?

Yeah nunes fought manvil and it was 29 28. Lemtz could make this close. My only reservation is lentz has come close to losing almost every fight he has won in the past couple years.

[poopoo333]

As of now I have:

2u on Bisping +145
2u on Bisping +160
1u on Thiago Tavares +160
4.8u on Thiago Tavares/Khabib Nurmagomedov goes distance -120
0.5u on Ben Rothwell
2u on C.B. Dollaway +155

[edman5555]

I like vitor to best bisping but i am worried about bisping making vitor gas.

Rothwell has only been subbed once in 40 fights. Gabe packs some power though and he is a top level black belt.

[edman5555]

As of now I have:

2u on Bisping +145
2u on Bisping +160
1u on Thiago Tavares +160
4.8u on Thiago Tavares/Khabib Nurmagomedov goes distance -120
0.5u on Ben Rothwell
2u on C.B. Dollaway +155

Pretty confident in bisping i see. Khabib swings for the fences btw. Good line grab on bisping.

[edman5555]

Sarfian has fought some cans and has fewer fights? I dont get why bookies have made him the favorite.

[edman5555]

Ill probably be on trinanaldo over cj keith

[edman5555]

Lucas martins is also 18 and 1 as a kickboxer. He is barbozas opponent. That one could be close.

[edman5555]

Most of martins opponents were cans though so far. Barboza has been competing against much better talent in the ufc so far. Might be able to get a good line on him.

[SPX]

Bisping lost to Old Wanderlei so Vitor could certainly win a points match.

Also, why the fuck has Barboza taken so long to fight again? Varner has fought twice already since their match.

[edman5555]

That was a while ago but still a good point. The problem with Vitor is we don't really have a ton of tape on him. His last 4 losses are against the best of the best out there so it is hard to get a lot out of them. Jon jones beat him, so what? Anderson silva outstruck him. Again, so what? Dan henderson beat him and then Alistair overeem. Rich Franklin is the closest one to Michael Bisping and I think he isn't as good as Bisping. Its a hard one to call.

[edman5555]

I do think the weight cut might hurt him though. He is coming down from 205 and its 5 rounds versus bisping.

[SPX]

I do think that the longer the fight goes the better it will be for Bisping. It's a hard one to call, for sure. This is an oversimplification, but it's explosive power vs technical mastery. But it's not like Vitor does not have a lot of technical skill in his own right.

Probably a no play for me. I'll just watch and enjoy.

[edman5555]

I do think that the longer the fight goes the better it will be for Bisping. It's a hard one to call, for sure. This is an oversimplification, but it's explosive power vs technical mastery. But it's not like Vitor does not have a lot of technical skill in his own right.

Probably a no play for me. I'll just watch and enjoy.

Good call. After Marquardt Saff I'd like to just watch a main event and enjoy it.

[Thewisemann]

Belfort by KO

[poopoo333]

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Went huge on Markes -175. 4 units on Lentz +170.

[SPX]

I dropped 4u on Markes.

[MMA_scientist]

Why are you guys so confident in Markes?

[MMA_scientist]

Thoughts on Rothwell/GG? Is Rothwell going to show up as Roidwell again?

[poopoo333]

Why are you guys so confident in Markes?

I feel Markes has the takedown edge, solid T3D, athletic advantage, strength advantage, and just the overall advantage. Craig is going to have trouble doing anything from his back....he will probably come to strike. The only thing that worries me is Markes' tendency to move slow on his feet..he seems hittable. However he showed great recovery against Aaron Simpson when he got dropped by a huge punch.


Thoughts on Rothwell/GG? Is Rothwell going to show up as Roidwell again?

Probably. I give a very slight edge to Rothwell in the fight because Gonzaga folds and has shit fight IQ

[edman5555]

Markes should be able to take him down. It seemed like he was able to outwrestle simpson. I do worry about the striking and jiu jitsu though. Its starting to give me second thoughts. He did beat paulo filho. I wonder how that played out.

[mike]

i'll bet Markes as well when it is available on bmaker.

[poopoo333]

I couldn't believe it opened at -185. I went to bet him on Sportsbook, and right before I bet the line changed so I figured it went up. It went down to -175.

[mike]

LOL you always got the good lines >.<

[edman5555]

Yeah I thought he would be like -400. I reread the PBP on his fight with Vemola, he dominated that with wrestling. He was able to very slightly outclinch wrestle Aaron Simpson. Those two facts lead me to believe he will outwrestle Craig. Noke was doing it until he started to fade IIRC. I am trying to find the Craig fight videos right now. I cant get either of them, Natal or Noke.

[edman5555]

Dana White tweeted after the Kyle Noke loss to Andrew Craig that he blew out his knee. Craig was getting taken down and controlled on the ground by Noke until Noke blew out his knee. He was getting beaten bad by Raf natal as well.

[SPX]

I think Craig is solid but Markes will just be too much for him. I think he's going to get grapplefucked.

[edman5555]

I think Craig is solid but Markes will just be too much for him. I think he's going to get grapplefucked.

Agreed. I doubt Markes can tko Craig. I wonder if he can submit him though. If not it goes to decision.

[poopoo333]

uh oh



That's reason enough to doubt his chances on Saturday, but Rothwell has a saving grace: coaches Luiz Claudio and Thiago Veiga. Both are Brazilian, and both have put Rothwell at ease this week after months of uncertainty.
"I don't want to get into details, but it's been both (physical and personal problems)," he said. "I'm recovering from the injury, things with my body. I've had other things going on. I have some coaches here helping me, but my main two coaches weren't able to make it with me out here, so I've just had some hard things to deal with.
"But I love Brazil. Brazil changed my life. I guess [Brazilian fans] don't know that. They don't realize how much my coaches from here have come here and are helping me. ... I'm a gringo, but I'm trained by Brazilians, and they've taken really good care of me. I've got Brazil on my back in a sense."


-Ben Rothwell


Glad my bet on him is small

[mike]

fuck it, put 250 on Markes to win 100.

[poopoo333]

fuck it, put 250 on Markes to win 100.

IWS got Marquardt'd last week.

IWS gonna get Markes'd this weekend.

[poopoo333]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNLGVt8QsaI

[MMA_scientist]

Bisping is coming to wrestle, guaranteed.

[poopoo333]

Bisping is coming to wrestle, guaranteed.

Bisping wins easy.

[MMA_scientist]

Bisping wins easy.

Probably, or he gets knocked out in the first round. Bisping gets hit. He will probably wear Vitor down, but I wouldn't be suprised one but to see Vitor just murder him standing.

[poopoo333]

C.B. Dollaway by decision is +249. I really like that bet. If money keeps coming in on Sarafian it might get a little better.

[mike]

Markes gonna win this.

[edman5555]

Where do you guys see his line going? I am debating betting him now or waiting for reduced juice. I think reduced juice will be better.

[Thewisemann]

Bisping has no chance

[edman5555]

Bisping has no chance

Super confident? can you explain why?

[Thewisemann]

I just think he will catch him early and finish him. Im not ruling out a Belfort decision either. Bisping always gets hit and hurt, the ifference is Belfort will not let him recover.

[edman5555]

Yep i agree with that. My only concern is bispings wrestling.

[Thewisemann]

I am concerned a little too.

[edman5555]

I am still waitinfg for the 5dimes reduced juice. It is taking some time.

[Thewisemann]

Poopoo, does Markes 11 month layoff concern you? It's the reason I stayed away. I would had took him if I could have gotten better than -200 though.

[edman5555]

http://www.graciemag.com/2013/01/ronny-markes-wants-to-show-evolution-at-ufc-on-fx-7/

Apparently he broke his hand fighting Aaron Simpson and he ballooned up to 233 pounds but I guess after he healed he got back in the gym training. His coach claims he has improved a lot in that time. That is still fat though.

[edman5555]

I just watched the weigh ins and Markes looks like he is in shape. I would imagine his coach wouldn't mention his weight if he wasn't in shape. Why tell people if he was out of shape? Craig could try to push the pace on him. He wrestled for 15 minutes with Aaron Simpson so he must have been in good shape for that fight. I would imagine he has brought the same dedication to this fight. I hope.

[edman5555]

Nunes/Lentz: My original pick here was Nunes due to his footwork and superior striking. It seems a lot of people like Lentz to win. I can see your logic and it has given me some doubt about my pick. I see the fight going the distance. Neither Nunes or Lentz are known for ko power in their hands. I doubt either one of them gets a submission so I will probably bet the fight to go the distance.

[edman5555]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/edson-barboza-found-team-jersey-013820113--mma.html

Barboza training with Frankie edgar everyday. He moved to Joisy.

[edman5555]

c.j. keith having trouble making weight.

[SPX]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/edson-barboza-found-team-jersey-013820113--mma.html

Barboza training with Frankie edgar everyday. He moved to Joisy.


That surprises me a lot for some reason. Seems like a strange decision.

[edman5555]

That surprises me a lot for some reason. Seems like a strange decision.

Frankie brought him in for his training camp against Bendo. I think fighters typically get paid for that. He must have realized how good the training is and decided to stay. I can see why they would make for a good relationship no homo. They both have some serious skills to offer one another.

[edman5555]

I just added up all my bets and I placed 10k in bets this month so far. Crazy.

[SPX]

What do you do for a living again?

[edman5555]

What do you do for a living again?

I work in a warehouse. I live with family so I saved a lot of money this past year to make a big bankroll.

[SPX]

I see. You always seem to be throwing around a shitload of money for someone not making $100K a year or something.

[edman5555]

Well its like this. My bankroll is 15k but I making a bunch of 5 unit bets. Each bet is 10 percent of the bankroll. Tonight I bet 6u on markes, 4u on barboza, 5u in trinaldo. Thats 15 units total, or 4,500 dollars. I didn't have all the money in my accounts so I had to wait for the first two to clear. I was shitting my pants waiting. It adds up fast. I am sure everyone puts quite a bit on the line when you add it up.

[edman5555]

Gotta feel bad for bisping. As much as an asshole people think he is i kinda like him. He has lost his last three fights to guys who were openly taking trt. Chael, hendo, and now belfort. I think bisping is a clean, super hard working guy.

[Vandelay]

Gotta feel bad for bisping. As much as an asshole people think he is i kinda like him. He has lost his last three fights to guys who were openly taking trt. Chael, hendo, and now belfort. I think bisping is a clean, super hard working guy.

Rampage says otherwise

[edman5555]

Rampage says otherwise

I don't know about Rampage. He isn't exactly a reliable source of information. All of Bispings losses have been against steroid users. I'm not saying he would have won those fights if they were all clean but his chances would have been better.

[Luke]

Gotta feel bad for bisping. As much as an asshole people think he is i kinda like him. He has lost his last three fights to guys in the top 10. Chael, hendo, and now belfort. I think bisping is a clean, super hard working guy.



fixed it . Every time Bisping has fought someone top 10 hes lost. I dont believe TRT has anything to do with it, I just think Bisping isnt that talented

[Thewisemann]

Bisping is a bum.

[edman5555]

fixed it . Every time Bisping has fought someone top 10 hes lost. I dont believe TRT has anything to do with it, I just think Bisping isnt that talented

Thank you.

[edman5555]

Bisping is a bum.

He's well rounded and would beat most guys in the division. Maybe I overrate him though.

[Thewisemann]

He is well rounded .I just don't like him . but I do think he is overrated

[SPX]

Bisping is a solid fighter. He's a good technical striker and even a pretty solid wrestler with good T3D. He may not be able to beat the very best of the best of the division, but it's incorrect to say he can't beat top 10 comp. Sherdog has Brian Stann at #9 and Bisping just beat him. I also think he would probably beat Munoz and Philippou, both of whom SD also has in the top 10.

[edman5555]

I agree he should be favored over costa. Him and weidman would have a good fight too.

[Thewisemann]

Weidman would crush him. I think Munoz would beat him. Costa, that's a good fight. Okami, Lombard, Belcher would all beat him. I like Stann, but he's a bum.

[Thewisemann]

Bisping vs Belcher is the fight to make. I want to see Belfort fight the winner of Stann/Silva.

[Thewisemann]

And if Rashad beats Nog, give him the title shot.

[SPX]

I'm not sure Lombard would beat Bisping. The Belcher fight would be a good one and I have no idea who wins that one.

And Stann is not a bum.

[Thewisemann]

If you get Kimura'd by KSos, your a bum.

[Thewisemann]

I would bet Belcher to -150 off the top of my head.

[SPX]

What if you get heel hooked by Ryo Chonan?

[Thewisemann]

Lol good point .

[MMA_scientist]

Stann can't beat anyone that decides to go for a takedown. His ranking is almost entirely at the whim of Joe Silva.

Bisping is decent, he is better when he comes to wrestle IMO. I think I tend to overrate him too, because I overcorrect for my dislike of him.

Vitor is too old to have a mohawk.

[Thewisemann]

Yea I don't think Stann is top ten at all. His ground game leaves a lot to be desired.

[poopoo333]

Do you guys think Wandy might come to wrestle Stann? I think in a 5 round fight, Stann's superior athleticism/conditioning will prevail and he will KTFO Wandy :(

[Mr. IWS]

Do you guys think Wandy might come to wrestle Stann? I think in a 5 round fight, Stann's superior athleticism/conditioning will prevail and he will KTFO Wandy :(

I think Wandy is still caught up in this whole, make the fight exciting for the fans, type shit. He is gonna get put to sleep.

[MMA_scientist]

Do you guys think Wandy might come to wrestle Stann? I think in a 5 round fight, Stann's superior athleticism/conditioning will prevail and he will KTFO Wandy :(

Has he ever done this before? I don't recall him coming to grapple, but I haven't been paying attention very much. I also don't think he could get Stann down. I think we will see him do the standard gameplan.

[poopoo333]

Has he ever done this before? I don't recall him coming to grapple, but I haven't been paying attention very much. I also don't think he could get Stann down. I think we will see him do the standard gameplan.

Naw I don't think so. You know, even if Stann doesn't get the KO, I think he comfortably picks Wandy apart.

[MMA_scientist]

Naw I don't think so. You know, even if Stann doesn't get the KO, I think he comfortably picks Wandy apart.

Wand is coming with usual plan of windmilling hooks until someone falls over. The thing about that plan is that is sometimes works pretty damn well. Stann hasn't been dropped by a shot yet though that I can recall, and Wand is on his last leg... so I have to agree that Stann should win.

[Luke]

And if Rashad beats Nog, give him the title shot.


if ::lmao::

[poopoo333]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp;v=vFKuI_-5SEg

[Luke]

I really think Belfort is more suited for 205 . I've always had a theory that his cut to 185 is a tough one and thats why he gasses in most of his fights. Anyway, I think Chael would fight anyone and would also beat Belfort easily. I think having Chael "get hurt" and putting Gus in his place then setting up Chael-Belfort would be a lot more profitable for the UFC and would make for two better fights.

[poopoo333]

I think the UFC is going to profit well from Jones/Sonnen because of: 1. Jones being a dominant champ, 2. Sonnen's mouth and ability to sell fights. Gus/Jones won't be a great PPV draw imo compared to Sonnen/Jones. I think they should do this:

Jones vs Sonnen

..when Sonnen loses:

Sonnen vs Belfort


edit: what you said makes more sense with logic/what should happen, but obviously Sonnen/Jones with TUF was set up for the money/ratings.

[MMA_scientist]

Jones/Sonnen will do huge numbers IMO. Sonnen will lose to Jones. Then Vitor will beat him too. That will probably be the end of the Sonnen gravy train. I am actually considering watching TUF this season.

[edman5555]

Sonnen has a shot against Jones. A small one. I think he can beat Vitor.

[MMA_scientist]

I don't think he has any chance against Jones. If Jones comes to wrestle, I don't think Sonnen will survive 1 round. If he comes to strike, he will probably make it rd 2. I think Vitor would beat Sonnen, but it is much more likely that Sonnen could do his hold him down routine there. It has never worked on Vitor very well before though.

[SPX]

Stann can't beat anyone that decides to go for a takedown.

Massenzio, Wallace

[MMA_scientist]

Massenzio, Wallace

He did beat Massenzio and Wallace (0-3 UFC)... he barely beat Wallace- I think that could have easily gone to Wallace (I remember because I bet it). Stann is good slugger, but with different matchmaking, he wouldn't even be in the UFC IMO. Massenzio and Wallace aren't exactly top 10 proving wins.

[SPX]

I think Sonnen would probably beat Vitor, but it's certainly not guaranteed. I'd like to see it. Before the Jones fight Sonnen should really have to beat at least one guy at 205, though.

I also LOLd a bit at the end of that vid:

Cruz: "I think you're building up quite a line, man."

Sonnen (smug and slightly disgusted look on his face): "Bring 'em on."

[edman5555]

Yeah chael has some balls. Gotta give him that. Vitor is a little crazy with the title shots. He justs demands them without wins in that weight class. I think he is worse than Chael.

[SPX]

He did beat Massenzio and Wallace (0-3 UFC)... he barely beat Wallace- I think that could have easily gone to Wallace (I remember because I bet it). Stann is good slugger, but with different matchmaking, he wouldn't even be in the UFC IMO. Massenzio and Wallace aren't exactly top 10 proving wins.

You could easily engineer of murderer's row of guys and make him 0-4 pretty quickly, but that doesn't mean that he's not a solid striker with improving T3D and grappling abilities. Give the dude his due: He's come a long way since his WEC days and even come a long way since his first couple of UFC fights.

I say if he's not top 10 then he's only a slot or two outside of it. Def top 15.

[poopoo333]

Yeah, Jones is going to steam roll Sonnen. Sonnen was taken down by Anderson Silva before he pulled off the reversal in their 1st fight. Jones is probably going to submit Sonnen or just dominate him for 5 rounds. I strongly believe Sonnen and Jones are kind of buddy buddy and they are going to be putting on an act to sell the fight based on what I have seen.

[MMA_scientist]

I think Sonnen would probably beat Vitor, but it's certainly not guaranteed. I'd like to see it. Before the Jones fight Sonnen should really have to beat at least one guy at 205, though.

I also LOLd a bit at the end of that vid:

Cruz: "I think you're building up quite a line there."

Sonnen (smug and slightly disgusted look on his face): "Bring 'em on."

Oh I don't even think The UFC is trying to pretend that Sonnen earned his shot at Jones (unless you count the "he's the only one that stepped up" rhetoric). I really do not see any way for Sonnen to win this. I feel that Jones is a better wrestler and his GNP actually hurts people. I would laugh my ass off if Sonnen beat him somehow though. I would love to see Belfort/Sonnen for the belt.

[edman5555]

Supposedly Sonnen has TRT'd his way up to 235-240 pounds. He is a good wrestler himself. Its not impossible for him to take Jones down for a couple rounds. He will probably get killed though. He must be getting paid well.

[Svino]

I really think Belfort is more suited for 205 . I've always had a theory that his cut to 185 is a tough one and thats why he gasses in most of his fights.

There's a big problem with this theory. Belfort has never gassed in a Middleweight fight. His middleweight (and Franklinweight) fights consist of 1 first round KO loss against Andy Silva, and 6 victories inside the first two rounds. To be fair, he's never gone the distance in a MW fight either, but you can't blame him for the fact that his opponents keep taking naps in the first couple rounds. I think modern MW-TRT Vitor is the best Vitor.

I also think it's one of the big myths about him that he can't win a decision. Vitor had several decision wins back in his LHW career (Yvel, Zikic, Herring, Matsui). It's generally when he gets wrestlefucked that he fades late. Several rounds of "cardio kickboxing" from Bisping was never going to do it alone. Does anyone really think that if Bisping had recovered from that second headkick that he would have come back to take the last three rounds on points?

Unfortunately, I haven't seen anything that makes me think Vitor's TDD is much improved, and it's made worse by the fact that he likes to hang out on his back and go for submissions instead of getting back up. In his fights against Jones and Johnson, he only got back to his feet on his own once, all the other (5 or 6?) times he got up were from referee restarts or the bell. And as nice as those headkicks were against Bisping, throwing those things often gets him in even trouble against wrestlers than he would be already. I'm also a little bit afraid that someone is going to leg-kick the crap out of him someday like Shogun did to Machida. I think every one Bisping threw landed effectively.

Who I'd be happy to see Vitor fight: Belcher, Boetsch, Philippou, Lombard, Rockhold, Le, Leben, W. Silva

Who I want him to avoid: Sonnen, Weidman, Jones, A. Silva, Shields, Anyone at LHW (if he wants to fight a guy at LHW, he should make them come down to 195 to challenge him for his Franklinweight belt).

Not sure: Okami, Munoz.

[SPX]

I strongly believe Sonnen and Jones are kind of buddy buddy and they are going to be putting on an act to sell the fight based on what I have seen.

What have you seen that indicates this?

BTW, I had no idea that Jones and Sonnen were coaching TUF this season. I'm going to watch the Premiere tomorrow for sure. Haven't watched TUF in a few years but I'm going to get back on it.

[SPX]

I would laugh my ass off if Sonnen beat him somehow though.

Me too. That would be fantastic.

[Mr. IWS]

Lets back it up for a second.

Champion vs Champion?

What da fuck is this brazillian nigga talkin about?

[Svino]

Lets back it up for a second.

Champion vs Champion?

What da fuck is this brazillian nigga talkin about?

Vitor is both the UFC's Franklinweight champion and the Cage Rage LHW Champion.

[SPX]

BOL, probably talking about how he's a Champion of Life.

Or maybe he means his old LHW belt that he "won" from Randy.

[edman5555]

Vitor is both the UFC's Franklinweight champion and the Cage Rage LHW Champion.

Franklinweight Champion. Great.

[Svino]

BOL, probably talking about how he's a Champion of Life.

Or maybe he means his old LHW belt that he "won" from Randy.

Or maybe he means that he and Jones are both Champions for Jesus.

[MMA_scientist]

Or maybe he means his old LHW belt that he "won" from Randy.

he's obviously talking about the UFC tourney championship he won in 1997 by defeating Scott Ferrozzo.

[Mr. IWS]

Vitor is both the UFC's Franklinweight champion and the Cage Rage LHW Champion.

lol

[SPX]

Or maybe he means that he and Jones are both Champions for Jesus.

Oh, that's probably it.



he's obviously talking about the UFC tourney championship he won in 1997 by defeating Scott Ferrozzo.

Looks legit.

[SPX]

Speaking of Scott Ferrozzo, he never fought again after that. Retired with a record of 4-2.

[Svino]

Speaking of Scott Ferrozzo, he never fought again after that. Retired with a record of 4-2.

The heart of a true fighter never fades:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QS1RqjvgTc

[SPX]

BOL, WTF?!

I totally expected that to be some joke kind of shit. . .

[Svino]

The heart of a true fighter never fades:

Oh wait, I realized I didn't link to the full video. Here it is: http://www.videolog.tv/video.php?id=716851

[SPX]

So I'm pretty damn intrigued by this. Like, why did it even happen? From what I gather they streamed it PPV style from a website? How much did these guys get paid? And why the fuck would they agree to fight in someone's backyard? Surely they could've found some little local promotion that would've been happy to promote the shit.

[Mr. IWS]

Holy shit, that is the equivalent to finding a planet in our solar system IMO.

Reps for Svino!

[SPX]

Holy shit, that is the equivalent to finding a planet in our solar system IMO.



BOL!!! Well said. . .

[Luke]

I don't know whether to BOL at Tank Abbott for his fall from grace or cry for him.......

























::lmao::::lolzorz::

[poopoo333]

Dana says they are working on Rockhold vs. Belfort.

....

[MMA_scientist]

I just now saw that Tank/Ferozza vid. That is amazing. The best part is all the guys in the yard acting like they just witnessed something amazing. Classic. I wonder why we never got a line.

[MMA_scientist]

Not a fan of Rockhold v. Belfort. I would like to see them build Rockhold up a little, Belfort could send him to the back of the line pretty easily.

[SPX]

I just now saw that Tank/Ferozza vid. That is amazing. The best part is all the guys in the yard acting like they just witnessed something amazing. Classic.

I love how Ferrozzo just lays under Tank and talks to him and shit. I still want to know how much they got paid to do this. And also how much the PPV broadcast made.



I wonder why we never got a line.

BOL!!!!!!

[SPX]

Not a fan of Rockhold v. Belfort. I would like to see them build Rockhold up a little, Belfort could send him to the back of the line pretty easily.

Rockhold should probably get someone like Tim Boetsch first, who I'm sure he would beat. Or maybe Costa . . . didn't he call Costa out anyway?

But I do think Rock/Belfort is a good matchup.

[MMA_scientist]

Rockhold should probably get someone like Tim Boetsch first, who I'm sure he would beat. Or maybe Costa . . . didn't he call Costa out anyway?

But I do think Rock/Belfort is a good matchup.

Yeah, I think it is a good matchup, but I was just hoping to see Rockhold get a more favorable style matchup to break the ice. Boetch would have been good, or Munoz would be good too. Actually, Boetch/Munoz, make it happen.

[Luke]

Rockhold will beat Belfort

[poopoo333]

Rockhold will beat Belfort

I agree 100%.