UFC on FOX Sports 1: 1 8/17

[poopoo333]

Chael Sonnen vs Wanderlei Silva

Thiago Alves vs Matt Brown

[edman5555]

Gotta wonder if brown can pull it off.

[Ludo]

Gotta wonder if brown can pull it off.

The way he's looked lately I don't see why not. Alves hasn't looked good in a very long time now.

[poopoo333]

Yeah I am going to bet the fuck out of Matt Brown if he is better than -150. Thiago Alves is pure fade material now.

[Luke]

What, has looked good in a longtime? Alves was destroying Kampmann until he got stupid in the 3rd and got caught

[edman5555]

Yeah Alves is the better fighter but Brown is tough and relentless. I am sure Alves will be favored Poopoo so you will get better than -150.

[SPX]

What, has looked good in a longtime? Alves was destroying Kampmann until he got stupid in the 3rd and got caught

Agreed. He beat the shit out of Kampmann for 2.85 rounds.

[Mr. IWS]

Im not fuckin with Matt Brown, that nigga is possessed now, he will be a two division champ by 2014.

[SPX]

BOL. Yeah. I keep betting against him and losing. I'm just staying away completely from his shit from now on.

[poopoo333]

17 month lay off. Multiple injuries. I saw him at Bellator in person and he was looking pretty out of shape as well. His training camp will probably be a fat camp aka Rampage Jackson at UFC 114

[Ludo]

Brown is hard to put away and I think even if alves hurts him he'll just keep coming forward and evsntually alves sill find a way to fuck it up for himself

[zY|]

Matt Brown is the UFC on FOX leadoff-fight 2-time defending champion, and you can bet he'll be looking to extend his reign.

[SPX]

I'm trying to figure out what in the hell happened with him. I mean, SOMETHING happened that turned him into Super Matt Brown.

Before his current win streak he was 1-4 in his last 5, getting stopped in all four losses.

[zY|]

No doubt he has improved, but he's still pretty much the same fighter. He just hasn't faced anybody that can sub him recently.

[SPX]

Well, there's Swick. . .

[poopoo333]

Joe Lauzon vs. Michael Johnson Agreed for First UFC on Fox Sports 1 Event

[edman5555]

tough call.

[edman5555]

Joe Lauzon vs. Michael Johnson Agreed for First UFC on Fox Sports 1 Event

Will probably have to go with lauzon.

[Thewisemann]

Lauzon all day

[poopoo333]

Definitely Lauzon.

[edman5555]

Michael Johnson has been superbly unimpressive for someone I thought would be really good. I guess it kind of makes me a dumbass with high expectations for him.

[SPX]

Really? I definitely think has exceeded expectations. He beat Roller, Tony Ferguson and Danny Castillo all in a row. That's not an easy feat.

[Thewisemann]

Browne vs Overeem. Ill be on Browne most likely I'm sure he will be +.

[Mr. IWS]

Is that confirmed? I think Reem will rape that nigga.

[poopoo333]

I'll be on Browne.

[Svino]

So will Overeem be competing with "dangerously low" testosterone again?

[poopoo333]

Overeem just tweeted this...

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BL5N0zmCcAAj7Le.jpg

[SPX]

Good matchup and I think Reem takes it.

[Mr. IWS]

Love that card.

Reem gonna fuck that nigga up

[Luke]

Jones will be -700, Reem -300, and I have no idea on Sonne-Rua

[poopoo333]

If Browne is better than +200 I am laying $1k on it srs

[SPX]

This just in:

PP hates money.

[MMA_scientist]

^bol

[edman5555]

Pp.....browne is not good enough to put 1k on.

[poopoo333]

Pp.....browne is not good enough to put 1k on.

True. Maybe $2k

[poopoo333]

Gus/Jones not on the card.

Rua/Sonnen headlining.

Pickett vs McDonald announced.

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/685.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[edman5555]

I don't know much about Andy Ogle. I see he beat Josh Grispi. I kinda wonder what Conors grappling is like. He could have trouble with a strong grappler. I don't really know how strong of a grappler Ogle is.

Interestine line on Shogun and Chael. I personally favor Chael. I thought he would be the dog though.

[Svino]

I love Sonnen at that line. I thought he'd be -200 at the least.

[edman5555]

I feel like Shoguns wrestling is kinda weak. That said he hits like a ton of bricks and with accuracy. Chael is pretty tough though. I'm not sure how the submission game will work out either. Shogun doesn't have a lot of sub wins but I still feel like he has some game on the ground. It's a main event too so it will be five rounds. Frankly I don't see Chael stopping him so we're probably looking at Chael having to outwrestle him for 25 minutes. Ample opportunity for Shogun to stop him.

[Ludo]

I don't know much about Andy Ogle. I see he beat Josh Grispi. I kinda wonder what Conors grappling is like. He could have trouble with a strong grappler. I don't really know how strong of a grappler Ogle is.

Interestine line on Shogun and Chael. I personally favor Chael. I thought he would be the dog though.

Ogle is a striker. Grispi really hit a cieling and fell from grace like a rock out of the sky. I think McGregor outstrikes Ogle with those crazy angles and speed of his because while Ogle is tough he's nothing special.

[edman5555]

Ogle really isn't a grappler period?

[Ludo]

Ogle really isn't a grappler period?

When he was fighting to get into the TUF house he got stuck in a triangle choke for about 4 straight minutes. He wasn't necessarily in danger from it but he couldn't get the hell out of it either. At least I'm pretty sure that was him. Grispi just hasn't ever really recovered from the loss to Dustin Poirier. I think something happened to Grispi that was more to do with his drive and determination to compete in the sport than anything else. He only fought 8 times in the last 5 and a half years. Ogle is a pretty big featherweight, and Grispi had nothing for him standing. Ogle found his way on top in alot of grappling scrambles which led to alot of success. I wouldn't say Ogle has no ground game, but he is british, so wrestling isn't exactly his thing.

[edman5555]

Well if he really cant wrestle for shit he should be fucked against McGregor.

[Vandelay]

Since I unearthed McGregor to you fools, let me break it down once again. This guys striking is second to none. He will not get outstruck by Andy Ogle. His Tdd is above average but what he does well with regards to wrestling is getting back to his feet. He is very similar to Bisping in this regard in that he does an excellent job of scrambling to cage and scooting up from there.

[edman5555]

When did you u earth mcgregor?

[poopoo333]

When did you u earth mcgregor?

294.5 days ago I think it was.

[poopoo333]

Sonnen +110

[Vandelay]

wow. Conor McGregor. Get that man in the UFC. Fuck is that guy good.

posted 12-32-2012 at 5:53 pm


Posted the video of his fight that day as well. Tried to convince people to bet him over brimage.

[poopoo333]

posted 12-32-2012 at 5:53 pm


Posted the video of his fight that day as well. Tried to convince people to bet him over brimage.

December 32nd?! DAMN

[edman5555]

Lol. I wouldnt call us fools. I watched tape on him and he was on every website there is. He was hyped up by everyone iirc.

[Vandelay]

December 32nd?! DAMN

Its the mayan calendar.

[Vandelay]

Lol. I wouldnt call us fools. I watched tape on him and he was on every website there is. He was hyped up by everyone iirc.

His hype train wasnt started until after the brimage fight. I resign to the fact that no one will credit my discovery on this board...Luke and X are disappointing in not shooting bullets through my claims within minutes. Both will be negged whenever they respond, which could take days.

[edman5555]

Lol ok. Ill take your word for it. I really camt remember. Maybe you did. Credit to you.

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/685.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[edman5555]

Faber is a biger favorite then I thought he would be. Browne must be making you happy Poopoo. Not me though. If Reem can get his TRT and steroriod induced Low TRT in check he can kick some ass.

[poopoo333]

I was hoping to get Browne closer to +250 but I will definitely be on him at 2 to 1.

[poopoo333]

I also like Alcantara at the current line.

[edman5555]

I dont know what alcantras take down defense is like. Faber has a lot of close fights. Maybe alcantra with points.

[poopoo333]

Overeem/Browne under 1.5 rds @-120 I like that

I like Faber/Alcantara over 2.5 rds @-180 way more.

[Mr. IWS]

Overeem/Browne under 1.5 rds @-120 I like that

I like Faber/Alcantara over 2.5 rds @-180 way more.

Bro, why you so high on Browne in this one? I love Reem, but you da man round here so break it down like a fraction.

[poopoo333]

Well I would bet the shit out of Browne if he was over 2 to 1 but that's not the case. I just think an up and coming fast/athletic/powerful striker at heavyweight against a guy that has bad cardio, a bad chin, and possibly having his testosterone levels in the "normal" range for this fight compared to what they were in the past is worth a play. Reem is obviously the better technical striker but if Browne can make it ugly with the right gameplan (he has that Greg Jackson yoda guy) I can see him putting Reem's lights out. Then again Reem could attempt to do what he did against Bigfoot (get takedowns/clinch) for awhile without getting KTFO which he may be able to do. The line is probably right at the moment to be honest but the aurora of "The Reem" is fading away to me.

However, I still 'mire the fuck out of dat physique.

[Mr. IWS]

For some reason, I just dont like Browne. I dont know what it is, but I look at the guy and think he is overated. The Kongo fight was just dumb. Lucky as fuck vs Bigfoot and those other cans he beat dont impress me. I dont really see anyone on his resume that was any good. His girlfriend is fine as shit though.


I know Reems been can crushing too, save for the Werdum win, But I got boner for Him, so that seems like sound logic for me to bet on Overeem.

::handshake::

[edman5555]

Reem actually tested low for testosterone after the fight. His system is probably all fucked up from cheating.

[poopoo333]

Reem actually tested low for testosterone after the fight. His system is probably all fucked up from cheating.

Yeah I know that. This fight is in Boston instead of Nevada so maybe he will be able to get away with something in that regard since there is a different commission. Overeem down to -210 by the way

[edman5555]

Are you sure its a different commission? His T levels could be approaching normal now. I think it takes time after you have been juicing for a long time.

[Vandelay]

Well I would bet the shit out of Browne if he was over 2 to 1 but that's not the case. I just think an up and coming fast/athletic/powerful striker at heavyweight against a guy that has bad cardio, a bad chin, and possibly having his testosterone levels in the "normal" range for this fight compared to what they were in the past is worth a play. Reem is obviously the better technical striker but if Browne can make it ugly with the right gameplan (he has that Greg Jackson yoda guy) I can see him putting Reem's lights out. Then again Reem could attempt to do what he did against Bigfoot (get takedowns/clinch) for awhile without getting KTFO which he may be able to do. The line is probably right at the moment to be honest but the aurora of "The Reem" is fading away to me.

However, I still 'mire the fuck out of dat physique.

Getting real close to X's level of gayness on this one.

[poopoo333]

Are you sure its a different commission? His T levels could be approaching normal now. I think it takes time after you have been juicing for a long time.

Reem's will never be normal unless he uses a prescribed dosage of TRT instead of quadrupling that dosage like he usually does.

[SPX]

Getting real close to X's level of gayness on this one.



http://cdn101.iofferphoto.com/img/item/102/326/917/zWPgv9jYGG8eJNC.jpg

[Luke]

Getting real close to X's level of gayness on this one.


BOL, reeped

[Vandelay]

Ogle out, Holloway in against McGregor. Please give us a line around -200 on McGregor.

[Luke]

Ogle out, Holloway in against McGregor. Please give us a line around -200 on McGregor.

You really think it'll be that low? I was wondering if the line would be the same

[edman5555]

Mcregor should win but that is an interesting fight. Holloway is a very good striker.

[Luke]

Conor -250

[trotterz]

I think Conor has value at -250. Holloway can't grapple so it'll be a striking match and IMO McGregor is the better striker. I would also like to get Nijem around even odds. I like Brandao over Pineda as well

[edman5555]

Anyone think Holloway beats Mcregor standing? He had a somewhat difficult time outstriking Leonard Garcia but he did drop Justin Lawrence. Lawrence is a pretty decent striker. I am just worried he might catch Mcgregor or be able to outpoint him.

[trotterz]

Anyone think Holloway beats Mcregor standing? He had a somewhat difficult time outstriking Leonard Garcia but he did drop Justin Lawrence. Lawrence is a pretty decent striker. I am just worried he might catch Mcgregor or be able to outpoint him.

Lawrence is not striker as good as people.give him.credit for. Look at his fight agains't Cofer. It was pretty close standing even though Cofer is far from. being a good striker.

[edman5555]

Yeah I felt someone might say that. Your probably right.

[Vandelay]

Im not worried at all. Literally it wont happen.

[edman5555]

Im not worried at all. Literally it wont happen.

Your that confident in mcgregor?

[Vandelay]

I think Conor has some of the best striking in all of MMA. When or if he loses again it will be to someone who can takehim down repeatedly. And holloway will not be doing that.

[edman5555]

I think Conor has some of the best striking in all of MMA. When or if he loses again it will be to someone who can takehim down repeatedly. And holloway will not be doing that.

The best? Really? Based on what? Did you see a lotof his fights?

[trotterz]

Vandeley is so much on Conor's nuts since a couple months it's incredible.
I have to watch some more footage on him to see if he is really that good.
IMO he is a better striker than Holloway but if he is really that good, that fight is a lock

[Vandelay]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21m-FnPd1cM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obgm6JNtyVo

Dominates and destroys a solid fighter that is seen throughout the UFC. Tough, hard nosed brawler with good power and not utterly deficient in any area


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myj864DW3Eg

Shows decent tdd and scrambling ability against a grappler hell-bent on taking the fight to the ground.

So, I may be a bit higher than most on him but I believe he has what it takes to go far in the UFC.

[Ludo]

Yeah. So I saw Brimage landing big shots on that chin, and McGregor fighting with his chin straight up in the air. Bad habit and if not for his chin being tough to crack that very well could have gone the other way.

[edman5555]

Its hard to tell whether or not Connor is slipping them. I did notice his hands were extremely low. Maybe he was expecting the takedown? (Brimage fight btw).

[edman5555]

He's an irish boxing champion by the way.

[Vandelay]

Yes one good punch landed 30 seconds into the fight means his defense blows. He was on the offensive the whole fight and still wasnt touched much at all. Just cause one has hinds hands down doesnt mean his defense sucks. He is looking to counter and the hands down invites the opponent to throw punches.

[Luke]

Who is this Conor person?

[trotterz]

Vandelay, I think you are right about him. Looking at his fights, he does seem really. Really good standing and holloway is no wrestler. My only concern now would be his cardio. All of his fights are short, does he have enough cardio for 3 rounds or will he slow down in the second round? We don't know

[Luke]

He's an irish boxing champion by the way.

Why am I not surprised?

[edman5555]

After watching those videos a couple times i feel like conor should win. Leonard garcia was giving holloway a good fight on the feet. I still worry about him getting countered though, his style is pretty crazy. Capoeira kicks, spinning, etc. i do not approve.

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/685.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[SPX]

With the way Brown's been performing lately, he might be worth it at that line.

[Vandelay]

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2013/8/10/4598202/conor-mcgregor-the-future-of-the-featherweight-division

[edman5555]

I could see pyle getting him on the ground. I think matt wins the standup though.

[poopoo333]

I might be changing my avatar. I'm not 100% confident in Sonnen anymore after looking at the fight more.

Shogun has poor defensive wrestling. Sonnen has great offensive wrestling.

Shogun has decent/underrated offensive wrestling. Sonnen's defensive wrestling is not up to par with his offensive wrestling and he can definitely be taken down (see Silva/Sonnen I in round 4)

I actually think Jon Jones and his camp saw that hole in Sonnen's game and "Sonnen'd Sonnen". A lot of people see Shogun as a striker who always wants to keep the fight on the feet but that doesn't always seem to be the case. Let's look at Shogun's previous fights:

Gustafsson....he shot for takedowns first. Sure, he got stuffed and ended up on his back for most of the fight but Gustafsson is a big, strong, athletic guy who actually stuffed Phil Davis fairly easily before shooting for his own TD and getting subbed. If you are thinking "well Sonnen is a better wrestler than Gustafsson so he should be able to stuff Shogun" think about this: Gustafsson is a big LHW and was fighting against Shogun...a fairly small LHW. Sonnen should be fighting at MW and he knows that hence why he is dropping down to 185 again after this fight.

Vera...Shogun's gameplan from the start was to take him down and he implemented that well, although he got exhausted and ended up getting into a sloppy brawl with Brandon "bum" Vera before getting the win.

Hendo..same thing. Shogun shot on Hendo pretty damn quick and was able to get on top at times. I always felt Hendo had poor defensive wrestling and that's actually why I bet Shields in their fight. However, he didn't look bad in that department against Rashad so maybe I don't have that accurate of a read on Hendo's defensive wrestling.

Moving on to some other factors:

Even if Shogun can neutralize Sonnen by getting on top, he fades badly in fights, especially where the other fighter is pushing the pace and we all know the pace Sonnen sets and even sticks to when he is tired himself. I really don't see a way Shogun can win this fight by decision with his cardio issues.

If Sonnen can implement his game early, I think it's a wrap to be honest if he can avoid getting finished within the first 2 rounds. Shogun's cardio against someone like Sonnen just won't hold up in Sonnen's type of fight.

Shogun has a 34% takedown defense rate in the UFC.

Based on the above shit about Shogun initiating his own takedowns, I think he might come to do that early because he knows his TDD is bad and shouldn't hold up against Sonnen (unless he is stupid) so I don't think it's going to be him trying to "sprawl and brawl" like people think he has to do.


Thoughts? It's a real interesting fight and before actually looking at it I thought Sonnen at -140 had incredible value.

[trotterz]

I might be changing my avatar. I'm not 100% confident in Sonnen anymore after looking at the fight more.

Shogun has poor defensive wrestling. Sonnen has great offensive wrestling.

Shogun has decent/underrated offensive wrestling. Sonnen's defensive wrestling is not up to par with his offensive wrestling and he can definitely be taken down (see Silva/Sonnen I in round 4)

I actually think Jon Jones and his camp saw that hole in Sonnen's game and "Sonnen'd Sonnen". A lot of people see Shogun as a striker who always wants to keep the fight on the feet but that doesn't always seem to be the case. Let's look at Shogun's previous fights:

Gustafsson....he shot for takedowns first. Sure, he got stuffed and ended up on his back for most of the fight but Gustafsson is a big, strong, athletic guy who actually stuffed Phil Davis fairly easily before shooting for his own TD and getting subbed. If you are thinking "well Sonnen is a better wrestler than Gustafsson so he should be able to stuff Shogun" think about this: Gustafsson is a big LHW and was fighting against Shogun...a fairly small LHW. Sonnen should be fighting at MW and he knows that hence why he is dropping down to 185 again after this fight.

Vera...Shogun's gameplan from the start was to take him down and he implemented that well, although he got exhausted and ended up getting into a sloppy brawl with Brandon "bum" Vera before getting the win.

Hendo..same thing. Shogun shot on Hendo pretty damn quick and was able to get on top at times. I always felt Hendo had poor defensive wrestling and that's actually why I bet Shields in their fight. However, he didn't look bad in that department against Rashad so maybe I don't have that accurate of a read on Hendo's defensive wrestling.

Moving on to some other factors:

Even if Shogun can neutralize Sonnen by getting on top, he fades badly in fights, especially where the other fighter is pushing the pace and we all know the pace Sonnen sets and even sticks to when he is tired himself. I really don't see a way Shogun can win this fight by decision with his cardio issues.

If Sonnen can implement his game early, I think it's a wrap to be honest if he can avoid getting finished within the first 2 rounds. Shogun's cardio against someone like Sonnen just won't hold up in Sonnen's type of fight.

Shogun has a 34% takedown defense rate in the UFC.

Based on the above shit about Shogun initiating his own takedowns, I think he might come to do that early because he knows his TDD is bad and shouldn't hold up against Sonnen (unless he is stupid) so I don't think it's going to be him trying to "sprawl and brawl" like people think he has to do.


Thoughts? It's a real interesting fight and before actually looking at it I thought Sonnen at -140 had incredible value.

IMO Sonnen is probably going to shoot right away anyway. So you shouldn't have to be concerned about his TDD. Add that to Shogun's 34% takedown defense and I think Shogun will be on his back quickly. After one full round on his back trying to get back up, Shogun will probably already start to gas. Sonnen shouldn't have any problem with a gassed Shogun.
For the record, I am not betting on that fight. I can't make up my mind on the clear winner even though from what I just wrote it seems that I see Sonnen as the clear winner.

[poopoo333]

IMO Sonnen is probably going to shoot right away anyway. So you shouldn't have to be concerned about his TDD. Add that to Shogun's 34% takedown defense and I think Shogun will be on his back quickly. After one full round on his back trying to get back up, Shogun will probably already start to gas. Sonnen shouldn't have any problem with a gassed Shogun.
For the record, I am not betting on that fight. I can't make up my mind on the clear winner even though from what I just wrote it seems that I see Sonnen as the clear winner.

This is how I pretty much feel but I am kind of playing devils advocate and coming up with all the scenarios that may happen. I left out "Sonnen gets KTFO immediately" though.

[Luke]

Man, I have no idea how this fight goes. I can see anything happening from Sonnen getting TKO'd in rd 1 to Sonnen humping him for 5rds. I'm just going to watch

[edman5555]

If I had to take anyone I would take Shogun at the current line but I can see a clear path to victory for Sonnen. I agree that Sonnen should shoot for the takedown pretty early on. Of course you left out Shoguns very offensive ground game. I wouldn't be shocked to see him be able to use it to get back to his feet or submit Chael.

[Ludo]

If I had to take anyone I would take Shogun at the current line but I can see a clear path to victory for Sonnen. I agree that Sonnen should shoot for the takedown pretty early on. Of course you left out Shoguns very offensive ground game. I wouldn't be shocked to see him be able to use it to get back to his feet or submit Chael.

I wouldn't exactly call Shogun's ground game offensive. He's great at creating scrambles and getting back to his feet but he doesn't really do a whole lot from the bottom really. Usually he avoids taking a ton of damage on the ground(except from Hendo after that H-bomb rearranged his face) but he doesn't really have a plan other than tie up until he can create space and then explode out. At this point if Sonnen avoids getting destroyed early on he probably wins the fight because I think Sonnen makes Shogun work enough that Rua will be experiencing a cardiac infarction by the end of round 3.

[trotterz]

This place is dead

[MMA_scientist]

This place is dead

everyone retired except poopoo.

[poopoo333]

Well duh I ain't 55 yet nigga

[edman5555]

I'm still here. I will be on McGregor, Overeem, Faber, Hall, and probably joe lauzon and mike McDonald.

[trotterz]

I like Brandao agains't Pineda but not at the current line.
I think Nijem will wrestle fuck Vick.

I like not Alcantara and Not browne by sub for Scientist's Magic Parlay. both are in the -2000

[SPX]

everyone retired except poopoo.

I'm recharging my batteries. This shit ain't over.

[poopoo333]

I'm recharging my batteries. This shit ain't over.

Chael or Shogun?

[Mr. IWS]

I'm recharging my batteries. This shit ain't over.

::winna::

[Svino]

I'm going to be on Sonnen, and probably Browne at +185.Sonnen should be able to get his takedowns. Overeem is vulnerable to a big shot, and he may be off his juice.

[Luke]

Reem is going to destroy Browne.....and Rua is going to beat Sonnen

[Mr. IWS]

Reem is going to destroy Browne.....and Rua is going to beat Sonnen

I agree.

[SPX]

Chael or Shogun?

I'm thinking Chael. I may even bet him at -115. You?

[SPX]

Any thoughts on Howard/Hall? The only change Howard has to win from what I can see is wrestling Hall up, but can he get him down enough to win?

[youngjoe]

Shogun with ease!

[edman5555]

Any thoughts on Howard/Hall? The only change Howard has to win from what I can see is wrestling Hall up, but can he get him down enough to win?

Or land a wild haymaker. He is short for welterweight and his striking is somewhat brawlish. He should have trouble knocking out hall.

[Thewisemann]

Browne is gonna knock Reem out

[edman5555]

Browne is gonna knock Reem out

Why do you think this?

[Luke]

Browne is gonna knock Reem out


LOL , okay.

[Luke]

LOL , okay.


Foot meet mouth , bol

[poopoo333]

http://cdn1.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/8761457/113_Chael_Sonnen_vs_Shogun_Rua_gallery_post.jpg

[SPX]

Chael P. Sonnen . . . victorious.

Anyone know the odds on Sonnen via Sub?

[Vandelay]

Vandeley is so much on Conor's nuts since a couple months it's incredible.
I have to watch some more footage on him to see if he is really that good.
IMO he is a better striker than Holloway but if he is really that good, that fight is a lock

Can I get an apology or do I need to wait another fight?

[Thewisemann]

Sonnen by sub was only around +600

[Thewisemann]

I could not make any bets on 5dimes last night. Wtf did anyone else have issues? I was gonna bet Browne by KO and couldn't bet it.

[Vandelay]

no problems here with 5d

[Mr. IWS]

Shout out to poopoo talking me out of Reem.

::handshake::

[trotterz]

Can I get an apology or do I need to wait another fight?

Actually you deserve more than that. You forced me to research more on McGregor so I looked at a whole bunch of his past fights and you got me sold on him for yesterday's fight. Therefore, I had 300$ on him because you opened my eyes.
Thank you

[poopoo333]

Shout out to poopoo talking me out of Reem.

::handshake::

Ha....I don't remember doing that. In hindsight, Reem was the play. Great cardio, great defense, great fight IQ. He just got caught with some dumb kick and it was an early stoppage.

[SPX]

Sonnen by sub was only around +600

Damn, I figured it was like +1000 or something.

[trotterz]

Damn, I figured it was like +1000 or something.

Well, Sonnen has a really really good arm triangle choke. And we could almost tell for sure that shogun would be on his back for most of the fight so plenty of time to set it uEspecially againsn't a gassed shogun in the later rounds. I never thoough he could get a guillotine win thiough

[poopoo333]

I could not make any bets on 5dimes last night. Wtf did anyone else have issues? I was gonna bet Browne by KO and couldn't bet it.

Main event time I had to log into 5d through sportbet to make a bet...5d wouldn't load on my phone

[Luke]

Shout out to poopoo talking me out of Reem.

::handshake::


Shout out to my wife for taking all my money so I couldn't bet on Rua and Reem

[edman5555]

Ha....I don't remember doing that. In hindsight, Reem was the play. Great cardio, great defense, great fight IQ. He just got caught with some dumb kick and it was an early stoppage.

Reem gassed from throwing all those punches. Just like shane carwin vs brock lesnar.

[SPX]

Shout out to my wife for taking all my money so I couldn't bet on Rua and Reem

BOL!!!!!!!!

[MMA_scientist]

Forgot this was on. I was out of town all weekend and I wake up monday morning to find out that Sonnen pulled guard. WTF is happening in the universe. Not really surprised he subbed him, though like anyone else, I imagined it would be with an arm triangle if anything.

Overeem vs. Zaromskis for the 30 second fight champion of the world?

Matt Brown, contender.

My whole world is upside down.

[Mr. IWS]

Shout out to my wife for taking all my money so I couldn't bet on Rua and Reem

LOL!

[SPX]

Forgot this was on. I was out of town all weekend and I wake up monday morning to find out that Sonnen pulled guard. WTF is happening in the universe. Not really surprised he subbed him, though like anyone else, I imagined it would be with an arm triangle if anything.

Overeem vs. Zaromskis for the 30 second fight champion of the world?

Matt Brown, contender.

My whole world is upside down.


Damn, you didn't watch it? I've been sitting around patiently waiting for your thoughts. . .

[Luke]

Damn, you didn't watch it? I've been sitting around patiently waiting for your thoughts. . .


Wanna hear mine instead?

[poopoo333]

Wanna hear mine instead?

I do.


Anybody wanna hear mine?

[MMA_scientist]

I want to hear luke and poopoo's post event thoughts.

X, I went to Chicago to compete this weekend (I lost both my matches- so yeah). I completely forgot about it... I did watch the Browne/Reem fight yesterday. I have no thoughts on that except to congratulate poopoo on his excellent forecast of Browne, which goes back a couple of years.

[poopoo333]

I want to hear luke and poopoo's post event thoughts.

Ok starting with the prelims:

I am looking forward to OSP getting a top 10 guy so I can bet against him. He is very overrated.

Diego Brandao vs Daniel Pineda was a fun fight for a little bit. Pineda is a very tough guy. It's obvious his gameplan was to weather the storm until Brandao gassed out. This happened, but the storm was pretty damn strong so Pineda got the fuck beat out of him which made him too tired to capitalize as well. Brandao is always -300 or worse it seems and it's insane. I will always fade Brandao against a halfway decent guy that has OK cardio.

Steven Siler KO'd Mike Brown right away. Didn't think Brown would win this one...he has retired 50 times in the last couple years and that's never a good sign especially when you are fighting an up and coming guy that has shown he is legit in previous fights.

Conor McGregor vs Max Holloway: I'm not some striking expert, but Conor is very susceptible to leg kicks in my opinion. Aldo would exploit that. I know he has a lot of hype around him and it's probably stupid to put him against a top contender right away but him vs Swanson would be really fun. I think they give him Dennis Siver next. I would prefer they let Charles Oliveira win his next fight and fight Conor next.

Michael McDonald vs Uriah Faber next. Do it. Now.

I feel bad for Uriah Hall. Dana White hyped him up so much because he did well on a TV show against low level guys under odd circumstances. Everybody expected him to be amazing so he loses to a: very tough solid wrestler in Gastelum and a veteran in Howard and now he "sucks" to everybody.

Johnson vs Lauzon: This fight had a Lauzon win all over it. Michael Johnson has bad defensive grappling and has shown poor takedown defense in the past. I bet Johnson in this one. How was Lauzon going to get this one down? When Johnson has been taken down by lesser opponents it was after a high paced fight where he had gassed. He obviously had the striking edge based on his past fights. +200 was nuts. Lauzon is good but I think being exciting makes him overrated by the fans. Just think about if Varner didn't make that mistake...Lauzon would have lost 4 in a row Saturday night.

I want to see Matt Brown vs Robbie Lawler. It's unfortunate Lawler is fighting Rory MacDonald next. I think Brown will get Saffiedine or Ellenberger.

I think Browne should fight winner of Barnett/Mir or even Miocic next. Overeem vs Big Nog is what I want to see next but Big Nog wants Struve I guess. We will probably see Reem vs Hunt next.

Chael Sonnen vs Wanderlei Silva should happen. It seems Belfort might get that spot though against Sonnen. I think they should do Chael/Wandy and let Chael fight Vitor after he kills Wandy.

I don't think Shogun should get a top 10 guy next. They would all be rematches except for Rashad, Phil Davis, Glover, and Mousasi. The first 3 would make no sense considering Shogun is on a 2 fight losing streak. Mousasi MIGHT make sense but Shogun vs Thiago Silva would be a decent match up.

[SPX]

Wanna hear mine instead?

Nope.































JK. Yeah, sure.

[SPX]

X, I went to Chicago to compete this weekend (I lost both my matches- so yeah). I completely forgot about it... I did watch the Browne/Reem fight yesterday. I have no thoughts on that except to congratulate poopoo on his excellent forecast of Browne, which goes back a couple of years.

Damn, sucks you lost. I guess it happens, though. You lose on points or get tapped?

I figured you'd lose your mind in the midst of the reality of Sonnen tapping Shogun.

[MMA_scientist]

Damn, sucks you lost. I guess it happens, though. You lose on points or get tapped?

I figured you'd lose your mind in the midst of the reality of Sonnen tapping Shogun.

I lost both matches despite not giving up a single point. First one I lost on an advantage because I had to defend a sub attempt, and the second one I lost on a ref's decision, which was also due to an advantage for initiating the takedown (though he didn't get it) and then he lost the advantage for stalling- so it was 0-0 with no advantages, but I lost on criteria because he had an advantage that was taken away. It was pretty frustrating. BJJ scoring is really stupid. I think I might start doing sub only tournaments exclusively.

yeah, my mind was blown when I read about the Sonnen sub. I guess Shogun's ground game is a bit overrated given that he hasn't subbed anyone other than Randleman like a decade ago and he has now been subbed by both Sonnen and Griffin.

[MMA_scientist]

Ok starting with the prelims...

Too long. Didn't read.

[Luke]

Too long. Didn't read.


::lmao::

[Luke]

I do.


Anybody wanna hear mine?


I was joking,but I'll give a few thoughts. I was busy so only saw the last three fights.

Matt Brown looked great against Pyle, but it was Mike Pyle . The same Mike Pyle that clearly lost to Story and was no where near the top ten coming into this fight. Matt Bown now has Tim Boetch syndrome where everyone thinks he is better than he really is. Yes, his win streak is nice ,but he hasnt fought one single guy anywhere near the top 10 nor has he fought anyone with any wrestling skills. I think he would get destroyed by a good striker in the top ten (Kampmann,Conidt) and would lose to anyone with any decent wrestling skills (Ellenberger, Kos, etc) . I want to see him fight one of the four people I mentioned AND WIN before I give him much credit. I still believe he's just a mid-tier , top 15 fighter.

Reem is classic Mike Tyson late in his career. He goes in , throws huge bombs, and if his opponent doesnt wilt he gasses or goes into give up mode. I think he spent so many years in Roids that he doesn't even have the urge to fight now that he has to do it fairly. I do still believe he'll fight for the title. Dana knows there's a huge PPV sitting there if he can just guide Reem there. I think they'll give give Reem someone who can't hurt him and will make him look really good in his next fight. Stipe comes to mind, but I dont know.

Sonnen dominated Rua which surprised me. When Shogun got up so quickly after the first TD,I thought Sonnen could be in trouble. Was shocked to see Sonnen sub Shogun. I thought Chael looked good at 205 and always thought he was drained at 185 . Sonnen should go on the Brazilian tour to end his career by fighting Wand, Belfort, Machida , then Silva a third time. As long as he wins 2 of the first 3, Silva-Sonnen III would be a good sell. Rua, I don't know what to say about him. If Dana still wants him in the UFC , he's going to have to match him up against strikers. Lil Nog, Mousasi, or Silva would work, although I'm not sure who he can beat at this point in his career.

[poopoo333]

I wanna see Silva/Sonnen 3 eventually.

I think Stipe would give Reem problems. Let's see a bigfoot/reem rematch or reem/nog. Or give reem brandon vera after 164 LOL

[Luke]

Or give reem brandon vera after 164 LOL


BOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[edman5555]

I wanna see Silva/Sonnen 3 eventually.

I think Stipe would give Reem problems. Let's see a bigfoot/reem rematch or reem/nog. Or give reem brandon vera after 164 LOL

I am hoping to get some value on reem soon. He just needs someone with a shitty chin and he will be fine. He was destroying travis browne but that guy just happens to be tough as nails.

[poopoo333]

BREAKING: @danawhite (https://twitter.com/danawhite) confirms to @FOXSportsLive (https://twitter.com/FOXSportsLive) that McGregor's MRI shows ACL tear, MCL strain & posterior horn meniscal tear. Out ~10mo

lol

[SPX]

Damn, that sucks. Why lol?

[poopoo333]

Damn, that sucks. Why lol?

Because today he basically talked shit about all of the top 10 in the FW division and was talking shit to Diego Sanchez for no reason.

[SPX]

I didn't catch all that. McGregor/Sanchez would be interesting.

[edman5555]

If he could beat Sanchez I would be impressed. I could see Sanchez getting him to the ground or getting countered really badly. Or both.