UFC 167 GSP vs Hendricks

[poopoo333]

GSP vs Hendricks

Rory MacDonald vs Robbie Lawler

[MMA_scientist]

The time is finally nigh. The prophecy of Future Champ will be fulfilled.

[edman5555]

I gotta give you credit. I didn't think he would make it this far.

[trotterz]

I gotta give you credit. I didn't think he would make it this far.

Well, you got to admit that since he losy to story, we won 2 split decisions over koscheck and Pierce, and also won a really really close decision agains't Condit so he had the luck on his side to make it that far

[MMA_scientist]

I gotta give you credit. I didn't think he would make it this far.

to be fair, I also called Munoz future champ at 185 around the same time.

[MMA_scientist]

Well, you got to admit that since he losy to story, we won 2 split decisions over koscheck and Pierce, and also won a really really close decision agains't Condit so he had the luck on his side to make it that far

Yes he was somewhat lucky in the decisions against Pierce and Kos. I think he clearly won against condit though. But on the flip side... has any WW ever had to win more tough fights to get a shot? I mean, Dan Hardy got a shot after beating no one in the top 10 and never facing a wrestler. Hendricks is 10-1 in the UFC and he was the first guy to stop Fitch and he also KO'd Kampmann. He has done a lot and probably more deserving of a title shot than any one ever.

[Luke]

Stop giving that BJJ homo credit. I called Barao and Rory as champs. I have one so far . Luke >MMAscientist

[poopoo333]

I called JDS as champ after he beat Werdum. Also called Weidman future champ. JDS being champ was a fluke though, not Weidman.

For the record: Cormier, Askren, Chandler are future ufc champs

[Luke]

I called JDS as champ after he beat Werdum. Also called Weidman future champ. JDS being champ was a fluke though, not Weidman.

For the record: Cormier, Askren, Chandler are future ufc champs

I said Weidman would beat Maia and Munoz ,but I'm not sure I called him a future champ. If I did, X would know. I will say you are ahead for now.

I think Chandler will be and maybe Cormier, but I still don't think a lot of Askren

[poopoo333]

I wonder what the details of Chandler's contract are. Are we ever going to see him in the UFC as long as he is Bellator champ? I honestly think he'd fuck Bendo up and it wouldn't be close.

[MMA_scientist]

Stop giving that BJJ homo credit. I called Barao and Rory as champs. I have one so far . Luke >MMAscientist

Interim Champ < future champ

[poopoo333]

I'll be on GSP in this fight.

[poopoo333]

If Wanderlei Silva is healthy, Dana will make him vs. Chael Sonnen as the co-main event at UFC 167 in Las Vegas #UFC (https://twitter.com/search?q=%23UFC&src=hash)


...

[edman5555]

I called JDS as champ after he beat Werdum. Also called Weidman future champ. JDS being champ was a fluke though, not Weidman.

For the record: Cormier, Askren, Chandler are future ufc champs
I could see chandler becoming champ but i dont think cormier would get past cain or jds. Askren i am not so sure about, he has a strikingn deficiency.

[poopoo333]

Askren doesn't need his striking. All he needs to do is avoid a punch or a knee.

[edman5555]

Askren doesn't need his striking. All he needs to do is avoid a punch or a knee.

Against gsp? Think he can do that for five rounds?

[Svino]

Gray Maynard and Shane Carwin are gonna be champs any day now. You fuckers just wait.

[poopoo333]

Against gsp? Think he can do that for five rounds?

Easy.

[Mr. IWS]

to be fair, I also called Munoz future champ at 185 around the same time.

THERE IS STILL TIME!!!

[Luke]

Woodley-Kos added

[SPX]

That should be an interesting fight. I got Kos.

[Luke]

That should be an interesting fight. I got Kos.

You can post on the net but not answer my text? Brace yourself for a negging

[SPX]

BOL! Phone's dead, nigga. . .

I got that shit on the charger.

[poopoo333]

Everyone on twitter loves kos here....why?

[Luke]

Everyone on twitter loves kos here....why?

No idea.I kind of like Woodley

[Luke]

BOL! Phone's dead, nigga. . .

I got that shit on the charger.

I'm going to put you on the fucking charger

[SPX]

I'm going to put you on the fucking charger


Charger. . .


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wORmuf9kYrk/TLH0MorZK9I/AAAAAAAAC2U/0AnKvT_2YXg/s400/Fast-and-Furious-Charger.jpg

[Luke]

Charger. . .


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wORmuf9kYrk/TLH0MorZK9I/AAAAAAAAC2U/0AnKvT_2YXg/s400/Fast-and-Furious-Charger.jpg



::lmao::

[SPX]

Everyone on twitter loves kos here....why?

Hard to say exactly how it plays out until they both get in the cage together but I wouldn't surprised to see that Kos has better striking, better wrestling, better cardio.

The cardio at least is a given.

[poopoo333]

Looks like Wandy/Chael might not happen. Wandy is refusing to fight because he wants a PPV cut and Dana isn't giving it to him.

[poopoo333]

A day after White said on "FOX Sports Live (http://www.mmafighting.com/2013/8/22/4646948/dana-white-talks-sonnen-vs-silva-machida-vs-kennedy-and-alex)" that he will try to book Sonnen vs. Silva at UFC 167 (http://www.sbnation.com/mma/fight-card/142181/ufc-167-st-pierre-vs-hendricks) on Nov. 16 in Las Vegas, White told MMAFighting.com that the bout is currently in jeopardy.
"[Silva] said he won't fight him unless he gets PPV [points] so I guess he's gonna retire," White wrote via text message.
When asked what he plans on doing with Sonnen next, White wrote, "we will figure it out."
Silva wasn't available to comment on the situation.



::popcorn::

[edman5555]

http://www.mmafighting.com/2013/8/22/4648970/josh-koscheck-vs-tyron-woodley-is-set-for-ufc-167

I like Koscheck in this one.

[SPX]

Me too, for reasons previously stated.

[poopoo333]

Chael Sonnen vs Phil Davis might be on this card.

Gay fight. Wandy is a pussy.

[SPX]

Sonnen shall avenge Lyoto.

[poopoo333]

Well looks like it will be Sonnen vs Rashad. Should be interesting considering they are buddies

[edman5555]

Well looks like it will be Sonnen vs Rashad. Should be interesting considering they are buddies

I have a tough time seeing chael outwrestle or outstrike rashad. He did pull a guillotine out of his ass against shogun thoughh.

[SPX]

I think it depends on which Rashad shows up. If it's the Rashad who fought Lil' Nog then Sonnen will win easily.

[edman5555]

The rashad that fought Hendo should beat him..

[poopoo333]

Rashad couldn't take Lil Nog down and got outstruck by a superior striker. Rashad showed up.

I think Chael could take Rashad down.

[SPX]

I think under anything resembling normal circumstances Rashad could take Lil' Nog down. He just couldn't do it that night. For some reason.

[poopoo333]

Well to be fair he only tried twice. He is dumb for standing with a better striker.

[poopoo333]

Rashad/Sonnen official

Overeem/Mir official

[poopoo333]

Georges St. Pierre vs. Johny Hendricks
Rashad Evans vs. Chael Sonnen
Rory MacDonald vs. Robbie Lawler
Alistair Overeem vs. Frank Mir
Josh Koscheck vs. Tyron Woodley


Fucking stacked

[SPX]

GSP
Dunno
Rory
Dunno
Kos

[poopoo333]

I think it's a horrible fucking fight for Mir. Like...horrible. If Reem didn't have such bad cardio issues and such a bad chin, I would bet huge on Reem here.

GSP
Sonnen
Rory
Reem
Woodley

[SPX]

Reem has just looked like such shit lately, and against lesser opposition. I think it's either guy's fight, but I guess I do favor Reem. Just not by much.

[Mr. IWS]

Rashad/Sonnen official

Overeem/Mir official

Mir's dad when this one was announced

https://lh3.ggpht.com/-4WRy8nPvhus/UYa0CLMINqI/AAAAAAAABa8/GdiOCEUf8GY/s1600/tumblr_inline_mm8virOTL81qz4rgp.gif

[Mr. IWS]

Georges St. Pierre vs. Johny Hendricks
Rashad Evans vs. Chael Sonnen
Rory MacDonald vs. Robbie Lawler
Alistair Overeem vs. Frank Mir
Josh Koscheck vs. Tyron Woodley


Fucking stacked


Best card in a while, LOOOOOOOOOOOOOVEEE Reem in this one.

[poopoo333]

This sucks. This card is literally a week after the weekend I will be in Vegas for a meet. I'm going to ask the meet director to move the date back a week LOL

[Mr. IWS]

Stay out there and go to Mir's funeral bro.

::handshake::

[poopoo333]

I would love to but I can't take two weekends off at work in a row which sucks.

[edman5555]

I think it's a horrible fucking fight for Mir. Like...horrible. If Reem didn't have such bad cardio issues and such a bad chin, I would bet huge on Reem here.

GSP
Sonnen
Rory
Reem
Woodley
Agreed on reem vs mir. Should be an easy ko for reem but of course its reem so who knows what will happen. One way this fight will differ from his last is that mirs chin is shitty too. If reem catches him he will be able to pit him away.

[poopoo333]

Yeah, and Reem backs guys up against the cage. Mir loves to get the shit beat out of him against the cage.

[edman5555]

Lol

[Luke]

I would love to but I can't take two weekends off at work in a row which sucks.

I thought you were a pro gambler?

[SPX]

Best card in a while, LOOOOOOOOOOOOOVEEE Reem in this one.

Haven't you said that every time?

[Luke]

Donald Cerrone vs. Evan Dunham added

[MMA_scientist]

great card, may even buy.

[edman5555]

Donald Cerrone vs. Evan Dunham added

Should be an easier fig for cerrone than dos anjos was. Battle of the guys that got beat by dos anjos.

[Mr. IWS]

Haven't you said that every time?

about Reem? Yeah, then I chicken out lol.

Ill be on Reem for real this time though.

[poopoo333]

I thought you were a pro gambler?

No, I'm not Luca yet.

[edman5555]

Ive already lost betting on reem twice. I will probably do it again because i am a degen idiot. Reem by tko. I wonder if we will get him as a dog.

[Mr. IWS]

I wonder if we will get him as a dog.

I think he will be at least -300

[Luke]

great card, may even buy.

Me too if I have a tv by then

[Luke]

No, I'm not Luca yet.

That MOFO is the biggest whiner I've ever seen in my life.

[SPX]

Should be an easier fig for cerrone than dos anjos was. Battle of the guys that got beat by dos anjos.

Dunham beat Anjos, just got ripped off by the judges.

[SPX]

Ive already lost betting on reem twice. I will probably do it again because i am a degen idiot. Reem by tko. I wonder if we will get him as a dog.

I bet on him against Browne. Never again. I'm almost think it was a fluke he beat Brock.

[SPX]

That MOFO is the biggest whiner I've ever seen in my life.

I've heard that. . .

[poopoo333]

That MOFO is the biggest whiner I've ever seen in my life.

Not sure if he has ever admitted he was flat out wrong. If he bet on Overeem against Travis Browne, he would have said it was an early stoppage. If he would have bet on Junior Dos Santos over Cain Velasquez in the 2nd fight, the judges would have robbed him.

[poopoo333]

Not bashing him because he is pretty damn good at what he does but when he loses he goes ape shit crazy.

[Luke]

Not sure if he has ever admitted he was flat out wrong. If he bet on Overeem against Travis Browne, he would have said it was an early stoppage. If he would have bet on Junior Dos Santos over Cain Velasquez in the 2nd fight, the judges would have robbed him.


Exactly. Can't stand douches like that. Also, if he has a losing night he'll say "the public got absolutely CRUSHED tonight." I swear, I'd beat his ass if I ever met him

[trotterz]

Who is Luca?

[edman5555]

I think he will be at least -300

Id be somewhat suprised if he is -300.

[Luke]

Id be somewhat suprised if he is -300.

I was guessing it would be -225 to -250

[poopoo333]

Just bet the fight not going the distance. I'd lay my Mom's new car to win a buck on that

[zY|]

Are you guys talking about Fury?

[Luke]

Are you guys talking about Fury?

yeah

[edman5555]

I was guessing it would be -225 to -250

I really have no idea. I would think Kalikas would figure out how horrible a matchup it is for Mir but you never know what the betting public will do to the line.

[Luke]

Brian Ebersole -Rick Story added

[Luke]

The loser of the heavyweight fight at UFC 167 between Frank Mir and Alistair Overeem will be cut. He also said that the doctors have cleared Overeem to fight in November despite the fact he’s suffered two KO losses in 2013.

,,

[poopoo333]

I wonder if Frank Mir is going to enter the Bellator HW Tournament?

[SPX]

It's hard for me to believe Mir will actually be cut.

[poopoo333]

It's hard for me to believe Mir will actually be cut.

Yeah, he probably "retires" before the UFC gets a chance.

[Mr. IWS]

Loser leaves town match! YEAH!

[SPX]

The thing about Mir is that not only has he been around for like a decade, but he's a former title holder, he's always been there when the UFC needed him to fill in on late notice, and--from what I've heard--he's Joe Silva's favorite fighter. Also, the guys he's been losing to are among the best of the best.

Just seems to me that before he gets cut he'd get a gimme fight to get him back on track.

[SPX]

Loser leaves town match! YEAH!

I thought you were a Mur fan. . .

[poopoo333]

The thing about Mir is that not only has he been around for like a decade, but he's a former title holder, he's always been there when the UFC needed him to fill in on late notice, and--from what I've heard--he's Joe Silva's favorite fighter. Also, the guys he's been losing to are among the best of the best.

Just seems to me that before he gets cut he'd get a gimme fight to get him back on track.

He has dropped 3 in a row. It is obvious they aren't giving him a "gimme fight" since they decided to match him up with Overeem. If they wanted to keep him around they would have set him up with that bum Brandon Vera for a rematch.

[poopoo333]

I thought you were a Mur fan. . .

IWS ZAK DOESN'T GIVE A FUCK HE JUST WANTS DAT MONEY DAWG

[SPX]

3 in a row sucks, but Hardy dropped 4 in a row and still got another fight, this time against lower level comp.

[poopoo333]

3 in a row sucks, but Hardy dropped 4 in a row and still got another fight, this time against lower level comp.

Different payscale. They also wanted to keep a UK draw around.

[SPX]

I look at Mir as being in that Chuck Liddell, Matt Hughes sort of position, i.e. he has earned a spot with the UFC until the day he dies.

[poopoo333]

I look at Mir as being in that Chuck Liddell, Matt Hughes sort of position, i.e. he has earned a spot with the UFC until the day he dies.

Well hopefully Overeem doesn't literally kill him.

[poopoo333]

But honestly it is almost like Mir did something wrong.

He gets Cormier....a horrible style match up, Cormier on a win streak...Mir coming off a loss.

Mir gets dominated...2 losses in a row now...he gets Barnett who is a horrible style match up for him and is also on a roll.

Then Mir gets Reem...another style match up for him that sucks. I think Mir has a better shot at beating Reem then he did of Cormier/Barnett.

Then again, who is a good style match up in the top 10 for Mir? His striking only looks good against Zombie Nog at UFC 92. He has no TDs. Bad cardio. Bad chin. He basically needs to be matched up with other guys that aren't that good to win aka Roy Nelson.

Inb4"roynelsonhaskopower".

[SPX]

I'm ready for anything in this fight. Reem's cardio is as much a liability as Mir's chin, and Reem doesn't have a great chin himself. I favor Reem just because Mir's chin is that fucking fragile but it's not by much. Mir has a legit shot to win this.

[Mr. IWS]

I thought you were a Mur fan. . .

I am, but that He's on the MMA scrap heap with BJ Penn for me.


IWS ZAK DOESN'T GIVE A FUCK HE JUST WANTS DAT MONEY DAWG

::winna::


Well hopefully Overeem doesn't literally kill him.

I hope He does.

[poopoo333]

Mir's best chance is one of those "holy shit how did he do that?" moments like he has done in the past. Mir isn't good when he is backed up against the cage and that's what Reem does. Reem has bad cardio and a bad chin...but his cardio can last until the 3rd as we saw against Bigfoot in a slow paced fight. He only gassed against Browne because the pace of that fight in the 1st. He gassed against Werdum too which was weird because not much happened there. He seemed to show an improvement in cardio from Werdum (where he was very noticeably tired) to the Bigfoot fight where he didn't seem as gassed by the 3rd.

[SPX]

But honestly it is almost like Mir did something wrong.

He gets Cormier....a horrible style match up, Cormier on a win streak...Mir coming off a loss.

Mir gets dominated...2 losses in a row now...he gets Barnett who is a horrible style match up for him and is also on a roll.

Then Mir gets Reem...another style match up for him that sucks. I think Mir has a better shot at beating Reem then he did of Cormier/Barnett.

Then again, who is a good style match up in the top 10 for Mir? His striking only looks good against Zombie Nog at UFC 92. He has no TDs. Bad cardio. Bad chin. He basically needs to be matched up with other guys that aren't that good to win aka Roy Nelson.

Inb4"roynelsonhaskopower".


It's been a murderer's row for Mir lately, no doubt about it. I mean, maybe he's just not top 5.

But Big Nog is ranked in the top 10 and Mir broke his shit off just a handful of fights ago. I also think Mir would have a legit shot at beating Browne or Bigfoot.

Or if the UFC really just wanted to get Mir a win they could pair him up with someone like Rothwell.

[poopoo333]

I don't think Mir would beat Bigfoot. Bigfoot would probably employ the same strategy he did against Arvloski and succeed.

I believe the thing is...Mir SHOULD be fighting guys like Rothwell right now.

[SPX]

Mir would kill Rothwell but it would be a decent enough bounce back fight for him.

I'd like to see Mir fight Bigfoot and Hunt. I think both fights could go either way.

Maybe Mir should just rematch Vera, BOL.

[MMA_scientist]

But honestly it is almost like Mir did something wrong.

He gets Cormier....a horrible style match up, Cormier on a win streak...Mir coming off a loss.

Mir gets dominated...2 losses in a row now...he gets Barnett who is a horrible style match up for him and is also on a roll.

Then Mir gets Reem...another style match up for him that sucks. I think Mir has a better shot at beating Reem then he did of Cormier/Barnett.

Then again, who is a good style match up in the top 10 for Mir? His striking only looks good against Zombie Nog at UFC 92. He has no TDs. Bad cardio. Bad chin. He basically needs to be matched up with other guys that aren't that good to win aka Roy Nelson.

Inb4"roynelsonhaskopower".

I don't think Barnett was a bad matchup for him. He is a grappler that doesn't (usually) hit that hard. That's kind of the ideal for Mir other than maybe a guy that has no takedown defense and not much power.

[edman5555]

I'm not sure Mir would kill rothwell.

[SPX]

The fuck? Rothwell has nothing for Mir.

[edman5555]

Rothwell could win if he kept it standing. Rothwell could ko him.

[SPX]

He COULD. But unlikely, I think. I guess Mir's striking is underrated again.

[Mr. IWS]

The fuck? Rothwell has nothing for Mir.


Ill take it from here pal.


Rothwell < Vera < Mir

Thread locked

[SPX]

BOL. I think you mean > (greater than).

[Mr. IWS]

BOL. I think you mean > (greater than).

Man, whatever!

[SPX]

BOL!

[poopoo333]

GSP's trainer said the GSP is thinking of retiring post Hendricks fight if he doesn't "feel motivated" anymore.

[SPX]

Doesn't surprise me. He's been champ forever now. He used to be his hungry lion who was clearly driven like a maniac to win but I'm just no longer seeing the passion. I guess he achieved what he wanted to achieve.

Besides, GSP hasn't really been "GSP" since he got beat by Serra. He used to be one of the most dynamic, exciting fighters in the game.

[edman5555]

GSP's trainer said the GSP is thinking of retiring post Hendricks fight if he doesn't "feel motivated" anymore.

Hell probably retire and come back in two years.

[Luke]

GSP's trainer said the GSP is thinking of retiring post Hendricks fight if he doesn't "feel motivated" anymore.

Sounds like Silva before the Weidman fight

[Luke]

Besides, GSP hasn't really been "GSP" since he got beat by Serra. He used to be one of the most dynamic, exciting fighters in the game.


Negro, please.

[poopoo333]

I agree with X. 2007 GSP would have finished Dan Hardy within 3 rounds.

[Mr. IWS]

GSP's trainer said the GSP is thinking of retiring post Hendricks fight if he doesn't "feel motivated" anymore.

I got that when I watched his Nos commercial.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsndkyfiIm4

[SPX]

I agree with X. 2007 GSP would have finished Dan Hardy within 3 rounds.

Yeah, bring back the GSP who knocked out Jay Hieron in brutal fashion and who threw Hughes around and then armbarred him.

[Luke]

Robert Drysdale
pissed hotter than a Texas whore's asshole on a Sunday afternoon 19.4:1

Here's out, bol.

[Luke]

Yeah, bring back the GSP who knocked out Jay Hieron in brutal fashion and who threw Hughes around and then armbarred him.

I wish we could bring back the Jens Pulver that tried to crawl through the cage to get away from Leonard Garcia

[Mr. IWS]

LOL!

[MMA_scientist]

Here's out, bol.

Did Drysdale piss hot? Or is that a quote that Drysdale said about someone else?

EDIT: NM. Saw it was him. dammit.

[edman5555]

Yeah he tested higher than reem.

[MMA_scientist]

Yeah he tested higher than reem.

yeah, that's nuts. Theyre all on it. Did you see the article where the Dr. was saying that Low T is made up?

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/10/16/us/a-push-to-sell-testosterone-gels-troubles-doctors.html?from=homepage

[Mr. IWS]

Im coming around with the thought that Hendricks is going to beat GSP. I think the MMA_Scientist mayan prophecy might be coming true.....

[MMA_scientist]

Im coming around with the thought that Hendricks is going to beat GSP. I think the MMA_Scientist mayan prophecy might be coming true.....

Believe.

[Luke]

Im coming around with the thought that Hendricks is going to beat GSP. I think the MMA_Scientist mayan prophecy might be coming true.....

I really don't see it. He arguably lost again Pierce and KOS. Think he's getting too much credit for beating Condit , something that any wrestler could do

[edman5555]

I really don't see it. He arguably lost again Pierce and KOS. Think he's getting too much credit for beating Condit , something that any wrestler could do

Dude, its a prophecy. It has to come true.

[Mr. IWS]

I really don't see it. He arguably lost again Pierce and KOS. Think he's getting too much credit for beating Condit , something that any wrestler could do

I hear ya. I think Pierce and Kos was more a clash of styles, so they kind of cancelled each others strengths out.

I just have a hunch that this will be the guy that will beat GSP.

[MMA_scientist]

He's Matt Serra with takedown defense. A short powerful guy that is not afraid to step in the pocket and throw down. He can land on GSP, he probably can't win a wrestling match and he definitely isn't going to win a kickboxing match. But he has the best shot of anyone to land a shot, because he is one of the few guys that can keep it standing with GSP for at least much of the fight. I think we are going to see a lot of fence pressing.

[Mr. IWS]

He's Matt Serra with takedown defense.

Hes also about a foot taller then Serra.

[MMA_scientist]

Hes also about a foot taller then Serra.

Well, so is everyone. It's relative.

GSP is probably going to do his thing with the jab. Really there is no rational reason to think Hendricks is going land on him when no one else does... but like you, I just feel GSP's time is about up. Hendricks needs to throw caution to the wind and make it ugly though. He's not going to out gameplan GSP and he isn't as skilled.

[Luke]

I hear ya. I think Pierce and Kos was more a clash of styles, so they kind of cancelled each others strengths out.

I just have a hunch that this will be the guy that will beat GSP.

That's a lot of the reason I don't think he wins.....because him and KOS are so much alike. I could see GSP just standing on the outside and picking Johny apart for 5 rounds like he did KOS. Sure, Hendricks has power but that's his only chance of winning and that percentage will get lower and lower as each round rolls by.....but I am wrong alot so.....


Hendricks by TKO or ITD would be the way to go if you think he'll win,imo.

[Mr. IWS]

That's a lot of the reason I don't think he wins.....because him and KOS are so much alike. I could see GSP just standing on the outside and picking Johny apart for 5 rounds like he did KOS. Sure, Hendricks has power but that's his only chance of winning and that percentage will get lower and lower as each round rolls by.....but I am wrong alot so.....


Hendricks by TKO or ITD would be the way to go if you think he'll win,imo.


::handshake::

[edman5555]

Hendricks also showed in the condit fight that he isnt afraid of getting into a firefight and going toe to toe. I think maybe thats why we all think he has a shot here.

[Luke]

Hendricks also showed in the condit fight that he isnt afraid of getting into a firefight and going toe to toe. I think maybe thats why we all think he has a shot here.

He was also almost completely gassed by the end of rd 3

[edman5555]

He was also almost completely gassed by the end of rd 3

Hes a big dude.

[Johnny Unreliable]

Well, so is everyone. It's relative.

GSP is probably going to do his thing with the jab. Really there is no rational reason to think Hendricks is going land on him when no one else does... but like you, I just feel GSP's time is about up. Hendricks needs to throw caution to the wind and make it ugly though. He's not going to out gameplan GSP and he isn't as skilled.

I know hendricks is a great wrestler but his fights with Kos, Pierce, Story and even Brenneman have shown that he can be taken down by guys without his credentials. Hendricks greatest asset can also be one of his bigger liabilities, his huge power. To generate that big power he has to plant his feet and he has the tendency to overswing and be off balance. GSP is going to have a field day with this using his feints, jab and takedowns when Johnny loads up to throw him off his game. Once he starts getting taken down I think he's going to react like everyone else that's fought GSP, become hesitant and not commit even when he has the chance later in the fight. You can see this with Diaz, Condit, hardy and to some extent Kos though he was mostly just eating jabs.

Bring in the fact that we haven't seen Johnny in a five round fight and he's seemed to tire a bit and I think GSP has the advantage. Now I defintely agree with you that Hendricks is as good a bet as anyone to dethrone GSP as he can knock him out but I really don't see it as likely. If he doesn't do it in the first round I'd be pretty shocked if he wins the fight. I believe he has only two other finishes out of the first round and they were in the second. I know one was brenneman. My main reason for being concerned with a bet on GSP is that he's been champion for so long and crazy shit happens, but if styles really make fights I think GSP wins this 60-80% of the time.

[Luke]

KOS is -130 over Woodley and Rory is -350 over Lawler at the Euro books

[AC88]

I can't see Hendricks winning this one either. GSP did have multiple exchanges with Diaz on the feet and did get marked up, but didn't get caught with anything crazy or hurt at all. He held his own on the standup with Condit also, minus a headkick which would have landed on and knocked out almost any other fighter in the division. Condit is a more dangerous matchup than Hendricks and GSP handled Condit very well. GSP UD. Late stoppage could be possible but I don't see it unless Hendricks goes nuts the first 2 rounds.

[Svino]

I agree that GSP should handle Hendricks, but I think Condit's defensive wrestling deficiency makes him a much easier matchup for GSP than Hendricks. GSP will have to deal with a dangerous striker who can keep the fight standing, as opposed to one who can't.

[MMA_scientist]

I pretty much agree with everyone. GSP is better and Johny doesn't present anything GSP hasn't seen before. I just feel that GSP has a better chance than anyone who has fought GSP in recent memory. I think Hendricks is much more difficult fight than Condit. I thought Kos was the most likely to beat GSP of the other challengers.

That said, FC will find a way.

[Luke]

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[poopoo333]

Rory MacDonald/GSP parlay for me.

[mike]

im on Lawler to KO Rory MacDonald. Also big on Evans. This will be a disastrous night for me if those 2 guys lose but I love both bets.

[poopoo333]

Why do you like Lawler to beat Rory? I think Rory is going to win easily.

[mike]

im one to think Rory is overrated. He's young but not explosive, not anywhere an athletic freak some top fighters are. He gets hit quite a few times (vs BJ who is much smaller than him) and he does slow down in the 3rd round. He beat Mike Pyle and Che Mills with wrestling/gnp but i think he will have a hard time taking Lawler down. His striking is just not that impressive to me. He jabbed his way to a win against Ellenberger but I dont think he can do that against a guy as explosive as Lawler. Lawler is probably faster than Rory and has good wrestling. IF he lands on Rory, he will seriously hurt Rory. I am hoping Lawler wont hold back and just come forward pressuring Rory and not let Rory push him up against the fence. I dont think Rory will do well going backward. at +275, that price is too good for me so I put 4u on it. I will add more if it gets better but i have a feeling money gonna come in on Lawler.
how do u see Rory beating Lawler?

[Svino]

Lawler lost a striking match to an aging Renato Sobral. And another to Lorentz Larkin. I think it's "MacDonald by whatever he wants".

(To be fair, Lawler shocked me my KO-ing Koscheck.)

[trotterz]

Lawler lost a striking match to an aging Renato Sobral. And another to Lorentz Larkin. I think it's "MacDonald by whatever he wants".

(To be fair, Lawler shocked me my KO-ing Koscheck.)

That is exactly what I was thinking when he fought koscheck. I had a lot on money on Koschechk thinking that there is no way thathe l
someone ho lost a striking battle to Babalu could lose agains't koscheck. But damn did he suprised me... Also in his fight agains't Voelker,. he looked extremely good. Not saying that voelker is an awesome fighter but he sure can strike, and lawler made him look like a chump. Still think that rory should win but I am not counting out Lawler anymore, especially since he has looked so good lately

[Luke]

How is Rory overrated? Besides the Condit fight that he gassed in the last minute and got stopped, he's done nothing but dominate fighters.

Lawler has no chance imo. It will probably look a lot like the Ellenberger fight. I think Rory by decision is the way to go

[poopoo333]

I think Rory's biggest weakness from what we have seen in his fights is his takedown defense and it's not even that bad. Robbie Lawler isn't the guy to exploit that.

[trotterz]

I think Rory's biggest weakness from what we have seen in his fights is his takedown defense and it's not even that bad. Robbie Lawler isn't the guy to exploit that.

I am a little worried about his chin... He has been dropped a couple times and lawler has huge power at 170

[AC88]

Unless I'm mistaken, Rashad can't lose this fight. Where is Chael better than Rashad? Rashad has everything over Chael.

[Ludo]

Unless I'm mistaken, Rashad can't lose this fight. Where is Chael better than Rashad? Rashad has everything over Chael.

The last time Rashad was in there against a guy he gained nothing by beating he flopped hard.

[edman5555]

Rashad gains by beating sonnen. Sonnen is a huge name. I am on rashad and koscheck plus 3.5 points.

[AC88]

The last time Rashad was in there against a guy he gained nothing by beating he flopped hard.

Rashad flops against better strikers in my mind. Every fight Rashad loses is based off the striking. Machida and Nog were bad matchups. Nog did surprise but I think his striking made the difference. Chael doesn't have the striking edge nor the grappling edge. Rashad is a lock imo.

[Luke]

Unless I'm mistaken, Rashad can't lose this fight. Where is Chael better than Rashad? Rashad has everything over Chael.

I'd say Chael's MMA wrestling is much better than Rashad's

[poopoo333]

Here is how I see it:

Rashad good offensive wrestling, questionable defensive wrestling.

Chael Sonnen really good offensive wrestling, not so good defensive wrestling.

[edman5555]

Here is how I see it:

Rashad good offensive wrestling, questionable defensive wrestling.

Chael Sonnen really good offensive wrestling, not so good defensive wrestling.
Who has ever taken rashad down? Chaels offensive wrestling is solid, not counting the bisping fight. I am hoping rashad will be anlittle stronger given he is a 205 er.

[Luke]

Who has ever taken rashad down? .

Rampage

[AC88]

LOL people c'mon let's get it together! Who seriously saw Sonnen winning that? No way in helllll. I should have taken out a loan to win even more on that one.

[Svino]

Yeah, I should have bet Rashad instead of the distance prop.

[mike]

just saw the gsp-hendricks fight. wow hendricks made gsp look bad.

[poopoo333]

Who has ever taken rashad down? Chaels offensive wrestling is solid, not counting the bisping fight. I am hoping rashad will be anlittle stronger given he is a 205 er.

Tito Ortiz.

[poopoo333]

Ok so I made some money off of GSP on a last minute bet but he lost that fight. Insane decision.

By the way, FUCK Rory MacDonald. He is a fucking asshole and I fucking hate him. FUCK THAT GUY.

[Luke]

Rory's another guy that can't deal with pressure. If he can't just circle and jab away, he's lost

I firmly believe Dana was planning to make GSP-Rory in Canada for a huge PPV after last night. I've never seen as pissed as he was at the presser

[Luke]

Patiently waiting for MMAscientists post event thoughts.....unless he slit his wrists after the GSP-Hendricks decision

[MMA_scientist]

Patiently waiting for MMAscientists post event thoughts.....unless he slit his wrists after the GSP-Hendricks decision

When I watch it, I will let you know. Not shocked by anything I read, except I am really surprised that Lawler beat Rory. Kind of suprised about Koscheck, but he is aging, so not completely shocking.

Sounds like Hendricks won, and judging is a big part of why I am losing interest in MMA. I don't like how they score fights anyway, and then they don't do it consistently even by their own stupid scoring system. Also steroids and tiny midget fighters, and I only care occasionally anymore. This was a fight I was interested in, but I was out of town.

[Luke]

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[Mr. IWS]

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LOL

[edman5555]

I just watched gsp hendricks. It was a pretty close fight. Gotta love how hendricks corner goes nuts. They were all falling on the ground screaming and shit.

[zY|]

I still haven't seen it. Link?

[Luke]

I still haven't seen it. Link?



http://mmavs77.blogspot.com/2013/11/georges-st-pierre-vs-johny-hendricks.html

[Mr. IWS]

I just watched gsp hendricks. It was a pretty close fight. Gotta love how hendricks corner goes nuts. They were all falling on the ground screaming and shit.

that beat dropped hard on that team.

[MMA_scientist]

thanks for posting that. I finally watched it. Eh... the decision wasn't that bad.

[Luke]

thanks for posting that. I finally watched it. Eh... the decision wasn't that bad.


Exactly. Sure, Hendricks won but I've seen 10 worse decision this year. Edgar-Bendo II , Gil-Bendo, and Jones-Gus were all worse . Most people had Edgar-Bendo II 49-46 for Edgar and Dana didn't say a word about that fight. No idea why the media , fans, and Dana are going all stupid about this decision.

[MMA_scientist]

^^ yeah, I expected to be way more one sided from everything I read. I like Hendricks, and I would have given him the fight 3 rds to 2, but it wasn't completely unjustifiable. I actually thought Bendo won the Melendez fight and I scored Jones/Gus for Jones. Grappling is more subjective, but with a mostly standup affair like we had here, I don't think it was too bad.

[edman5555]

yeah it wasn't that bad. Its just the best anyone has ever done against GSP so it was overblown.

[zY|]

yeah it wasn't that bad. Its just the best anyone has ever done against GSP so it was overblown.

I think this is a huge part of it. Ala Shogun/Machida 1.

[edman5555]

that beat dropped hard on that team.

This made me lol.