View Full Version : BJ Penn is fucking back!!!
Breaking motherfucking news! War the Prodigy!
Frankie Edgar, B.J. Penn selected as 'TUF 19' coaches, will meet at 145 pounds (http://www.mmajunkie.com/news/2013/09/frankie-edgar-b-j-penn-selected-as-tuf-19-coaches-will-meet-at-145-pounds)
poopoo333
09-11-2013, 09:35 PM
This is fucking weird, but I like it. UFC is hoping for a BJ Penn win so he can get a FW title shot I bet.
Love BJ so I'd like nothing more than to see him get a win here, but I would prefer to see him get a tune-up fight at 145 before jumping in with someone like Edgar. Also, he hated cutting to 155 so I hope he knows what he's getting into dropping to a weight class that's 10 lbs lighter.
Svino
09-12-2013, 02:31 AM
Yeah, I'm surprised he'd fight that light.
edman5555
09-12-2013, 07:15 AM
This should be interesting.
trotterz
09-12-2013, 09:33 AM
Interesting? I will be on edgar for sure
I think Edgar will probably win, but Edgar wasn't overly dominant when he fought Oliveira and that fight was closer than I think a lot of people thought it would be. Also, I think BJ beat him the first time they fought.
Mr. IWS
09-12-2013, 02:13 PM
Fuck BJ
Mr. IWS
09-12-2013, 02:20 PM
Fairweather fan.
Im sick of this fuckin hawaiian house nigga, go die already. I want my Frankie Edgar money back. BOTH FIGHTS TOO!
Mr. IWS
09-12-2013, 02:20 PM
I was talking with someone last night, I think the only guy he can beat is Jens Pulver.
Im sick of this fuckin hawaiian house nigga, go die already. I want my Frankie Edgar money back. BOTH FIGHTS TOO!
Something tells me BJ wanted to win those fights more than you did.
I was talking with someone last night, I think the only guy he can beat is Jens Pulver.
You know what, I'm going to send my elite squad of BJ, Pulver and Serra to your house to have a little chat with you.
edman5555
09-12-2013, 03:12 PM
If bj couldnt beat him at 155 i have a lot of trouble thinking he can win at 145. Hes going to gas faster and frankie will still have the same amount of energy.
poopoo333
09-12-2013, 03:12 PM
Edgar has value even at -250
edman5555
09-12-2013, 03:14 PM
Edgar decision. I will laugh if bj loses to him again.
If bj couldnt beat him at 155 i have a lot of trouble thinking he can win at 145. Hes going to gas faster and frankie will still have the same amount of energy.
Right, because his cardio wasn't better at 155 than 170. . .
edman5555
09-12-2013, 03:17 PM
What do you mean? Bj will have to make a bigger weight cut than frankie so he will probably gas faster then he did at 155.
I mean, all evidence suggests that a smaller BJ = a BJ with better cardio.
At 170 he guessed in like every fight he ever had. At 155 he went into the championship rounds regularly and looked fine.
edman5555
09-12-2013, 03:22 PM
He was also fighting and wrestling bigger guys at 170. That wears you out more. Not to mention it was odd for him to move up to 170. I cant help but wonder if he did it to avoid cutting weight.
Well he's openly said that he hates cutting weight so I'm sure that's part of it. But I also think he felt that the glory was greater at 170 than at 155.
Also, he's obsessed with beating GSP.
I think the key for BJ to get in the proper shape is to start NOW. Losing weight is not rocket science. Eat less and exercise.
He has the whole time the show is shooting and airing to make this change and he needs to take it seriously and not dick around.
Mr. IWS
09-12-2013, 03:52 PM
You know what, I'm going to send my elite squad of BJ, Pulver and Serra to your house to have a little chat with you.
I see what you didnt do there.
::handshake::
MMA_scientist
09-12-2013, 04:00 PM
WTF is this bullshit.
Mr. IWS
09-12-2013, 04:04 PM
I think the key for BJ to get in the proper shape is to start NOW. Losing weight is not rocket science. Eat less and exercise.
I been saying this shit for years. Look, BJ is one of my all time favs, but the game has passed him by.
In fact, all my favs seem to be bums anymore, which is probably why I dont watch MMA as much as I used to.
poopoo333
09-12-2013, 04:25 PM
Frankie is just better than BJ.
Also, BJ is supposedly 165 right now. If he gasses due to a 25 lb weight cut 7 months from now I will LOL. He will probably only have to actually "cut" 10 lbs tops.
Oh, and just because he is lighter doesn't necessarily mean his cardio will drastically be better. He tired out against Kenny Florian. I swear most people are basing their opinions on BJ off of the Diego fight.
edman5555
09-12-2013, 06:26 PM
Bj penns skilld are not outdated. He is still very good at jiu jitsu, a good wrestler st least defensively amd he has good boxing.
I see what you didnt do there.
::handshake::
BOL
WTF is this bullshit.
What?
I been saying this shit for years. Look, BJ is one of my all time favs, but the game has passed him by.
Has it really passed him by or has he just been fighting some really good fighting guys lately, as well as fighting outside of his real weight class?
Maybe BJ couldn't beat guys like Pettis or Henderson, but that just means he's not at the tippity top of the division anymore. But I bet he could beat Gray Maynard, or Jim Miller or Nate Diaz. I bet he could beat Cerrone or Pat Healy. And beating guys like that would put him solidly in the top 10. How is being a top 10 fighter not good?
He just needs to learn the value of stepping down the ladder and getting some Ws from time to time. But he wants to be in a championship fight, or a title eliminator, every time he goes out there.
In fact, all my favs seem to be bums anymore, which is probably why I dont watch MMA as much as I used to.
Seems like a vicious cycle. You don't watch because your favorites are all in the twilight of their careers. But because you're not watching you're not picking up new favorites to care about.
Also, BJ is supposedly 165 right now. If he gasses due to a 25 lb weight cut 7 months from now I will LOL. He will probably only have to actually "cut" 10 lbs tops.
He can make the weight but he needs to restrict his calories and train his ass off. So, you know, be disciplined.
Oh, and just because he is lighter doesn't necessarily mean his cardio will drastically be better. He tired out against Kenny Florian. I swear most people are basing their opinions on BJ off of the Diego fight.
His cardio has always been better--drastically better--at LW than WW. At WW after the first round he is on the verge of suffocating. In LW he may slow down a bit in rounds 4 and 5 but even in those rounds he looks MUCH better than he does in round 2 at 170.
edman5555
09-12-2013, 09:33 PM
It cant be the weigh spx. It just doesnt make sense. Without the weight cut there is less of a reason he should gas.
It cant be the weigh spx. It just doesnt make sense. Without the weight cut there is less of a reason he should gas.
Well first off, I still have never heard a good argument for why cutting weight should hurt your cardiovascular system. I know it happens sometimes, more from just general exhaustion I assume, but I don't really get it.
But as for BJ, I suspect it may be a situation where you have to read between the lines. When he had to make 155, it may be that he was training harder in order to shed the weight, so he was in better cardio shape. When he would fight at 170, he was fighting about at his walkaround weight and wasn't really cutting much, if any at all (if I remember correctly, he'd usually weigh in around 167, BELOW the limit). Without the necessity to cut weight, he wouldn't train as hard, and there was in worse shape on fight day.
edman5555
09-12-2013, 09:43 PM
Thats a good point. I thout about it before i posted my last response but its just hard to see. I guess he could be so lazy that he wont train unless hehas to weight cut.
Really, it's probably a combination of factors. It's been suspected many times that BJ just doesn't like to train and doesn't do it nearly as much or as intensely as he should. But like you said before, the guys at 170 are bigger and harder to muscle around. I'm sure it all plays into it.
MMA_scientist
09-12-2013, 10:05 PM
Fighting bigger guys makes you tire faster, I have experienced this myself grappling. It isn't all about BJ's weight, it is about have to push and resist 100% on every movement. Even if you are in shape, a bigger guy will make you fatigue faster.
MMA_scientist
09-12-2013, 10:09 PM
What?
Frankie has already beat him twice, and neither of those fights was very good. No idea why anyone wants a 3rd. If BJ is going to come out of "retirement" (as if anyone thought he was retired), he needs to fight someone else. But really, he should stay retired. I agree that he is still probably top 10, but it is all relative, he was once considered the PFP best... so I don't think squeezing into the top 10 is admirable
edman5555
09-12-2013, 11:10 PM
If bj showed up in ben henderson condition he would be super impressive at 155. I think he would beat a lot of top guys. Its kind of ironic but 145 pounds is probably the appropriate weight class for him. He weighed in at about 165 or so for his 170 fights. He could easily add five to ten pounds of muscle and cut to 155 if he wanted.
edman5555
09-12-2013, 11:10 PM
Gleison tibau weighs in at around 180 on fit night.
I agree that he is still probably top 10, but it is all relative, he was once considered the PFP best... so I don't think squeezing into the top 10 is admirable
I guess we see things differently. If you're a top 10 fighter then that means you're pretty damn great, even if you used to be #1. We need to cut these guys some slack. Sports fans' attitude is so shitty. If you rise to the top, and become great, then you're a bum if you don't stay great forever. Is it not okay to just be really good?
edman5555
09-12-2013, 11:20 PM
Mma weekly ranks the lightweig top ten as follows: pettis, bendo, gilbert melendez, tj grant, michael chandler, gray maunard, eddie alvarez, josh thomson, nate diaz, khabib nurma
edman5555
09-12-2013, 11:21 PM
I could see bj beating a lot of them and being competitve with them all. I think pettis would give bj a lot of trouble.
I think we would all feel really differently about BJ if he had not taken all those fights at 170 after losing to Edgar the second time . . . or if he had been given the win over Edgar the first time, as he should've been.
Mr. IWS
09-13-2013, 09:19 AM
If bj showed up in ben henderson condition he would be super impressive at 155. I think he would beat a lot of top guys. Its kind of ironic but 145 pounds is probably the appropriate weight class for him. He weighed in at about 165 or so for his 170 fights. He could easily add five to ten pounds of muscle and cut to 155 if he wanted.
Motivated BJ!
MMA_scientist
09-13-2013, 09:44 AM
I guess we see things differently. If you're a top 10 fighter then that means you're pretty damn great, even if you used to be #1. We need to cut these guys some slack. Sports fans' attitude is so shitty. If you rise to the top, and become great, then you're a bum if you don't stay great forever. Is it not okay to just be really good?
I don't think he is a bum... but I just don't care to see a lesser version of the old BJ. Really though, my problem is with this specific fight. There are so many fights for him, why have him fight Edgar again, it wasn't like the first 2 fights were epic battles. They were both pretty boring fights IMO.
I think Penn should fight Tito. They are probably about the same size now
edman5555
09-13-2013, 01:16 PM
I don't think he is a bum... but I just don't care to see a lesser version of the old BJ. Really though, my problem is with this specific fight. There are so many fights for him, why have him fight Edgar again, it wasn't like the first 2 fights were epic battles. They were both pretty boring fights IMO.
Yeah i agree. Though i will say that bj sounds motivated to fight him and that could be a good thing for him. I hope he beats frankie and comes back to fight at 155 in tip top condition. Of course that probably wont happen. Either way its nice to see bj penn back in the game.
I don't think he is a bum... but I just don't care to see a lesser version of the old BJ. Really though, my problem is with this specific fight. There are so many fights for him, why have him fight Edgar again, it wasn't like the first 2 fights were epic battles. They were both pretty boring fights IMO.
Well I said earlier that I think BJ should take tune-up fight at 145 before going into a fight as dangerous as this one. But that doesn't really have anything to do with me disliking the fight, more with me disliking seeing Penn lose again.
Well I said earlier that I think BJ should take tune-up fight at 145 before going into a fight as dangerous as this one. But that doesn't really have anything to do with me disliking the fight, more with me disliking seeing Penn lose again.
Real truth...he probably doesn't want to do a tune-up fight because he's afraid he'll lose it and that would cost him the money he's going to make on TUF.
I wonder how much they get paid to do TUF anyway. I know coaches in the past have complained that it's not much.
Give him someone like . . . hmm . . . Nam Phan. I just can't see him losing to Nam Phan.
I wonder how much they get paid to do TUF anyway. I know coaches in the past have complained that it's not much.
Give him someone like . . . hmm . . . Nam Phan. I just can't see him losing to Nam Phan.
I'd rather he get someone like Steven Siler if we're going that route.
I wonder how much they get paid to do TUF anyway. I know coaches in the past have complained that it's not much.
Give him someone like . . . hmm . . . Nam Phan. I just can't see him losing to Nam Phan.
I'd like to throw your ass in their with him so you could get beat on.
I'd like to throw your ass in their with him so you could get beat on.
It's not smart to say such things when you're not at full strength.
I'd rather he get someone like Steven Siler if we're going that route.
Siler would work, I'd think. Or maybe someone like Gamburyan. Or perhaps MTB.
Anyone if Kyle Maynard is free?
Siler would work, I'd think. Or maybe someone like Gamburyan. Or perhaps MTB.
I was thinking someone BJ wouldn't knock out by sneezing on him but ok.
Brown's been knocked out once in his last 5 fights.
Brown's been knocked out once in his last 5 fights.
By a short left while Steven Siler was moving backward. Siler has 3 knockouts ever by the way.
It happens. It's called The Button.
Mr. IWS
09-13-2013, 04:07 PM
It happens. It's called The Button.
His whole face is an easy button.
His whole face is an easy button.
1 KO in five fights, bro. Y'all are acting like it's a Chuck Liddell situation.
1 KO in five fights, bro. Y'all are acting like it's a Chuck Liddell situation.
He got Big Baby'd by a guy with 0 KO's in the last 6 years.
You're just being obstinate now.
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