UFC Fight Night 30: Machida vs. Munoz

[Luke]

Machida -360 over Munoz

Jimi Manuwa -175 over Jimmo

Melvin Guillard -150 over Pearson

Alessio Sakara -225 over Musoke

Andrew Craig -200 over Barnatt

Cole Miller -175 over Ogle

[poopoo333]

There is already a thread. Negged.

Manuwa sucks. Wouldn't lay juice on him over someone that is somewhat good at fighting.

Craig should beat Barnatt.

[edman5555]

Line guesses luke?

[trotterz]

Manuwa will end up over -300 so if this is really the line. I will be on it.

[Luke]

Line guesses luke?


Euro books

[Luke]

There is already a thread. Negged.




Too lazy to look::handshake::

[edman5555]

Euro books

What books? I like jimmo to win that one.

[Luke]

Paddypower

[edman5555]

Jimmy manure.

[edman5555]

Gotta love machida at that line, i also think lineker wins. I will surely be placing a bet on jimmo as well. Jimmos wrestling isnt bad and his striking should even be better. Manuwa is dangerous as heck though.

[edman5555]

Guillard has more speed and power but he is a moron. Pearson has the tools to win so for me its a no bet. Maybe pearson plus 3.5 points would be worth it if you could get a great melvin by ko hedge.

Craig vs barnatt: i dont know much about barnatt. I still have to see his fight against colin hart. From what i read it was competitive. I did a little reseach on colin hart and on paper he doesnt look that impressive. Im going to have to watch the tape but at this point i am thinking craig is probably a solid bet. He has a good ground game, wrestling that might be good enough to take barnatt down, a brown belt in jiu jitsu and hes tough as nails. Im actually suprised by the line. Granted, craigs line is padded with great luck. Noke blew out his knee in their fight and natal was beating his ass before he lost.

I think machida trounces munoz. Munoz is just too damn slow for machida. His wrestling hasnt transitioned to mma very well either. On top of that i see him getting tired by the fourth and fifth rounds which will compound his lack of speed. Machida ITD is a really good bet in my opinion for the reason i mentioned last. Oh yeah, munoz striking sucks as well. So hes slow, his striking sucks, and he will probably be tired from chasing machida by the fourth round. I cant see him winning unless he lands a luck shot on machida.

Manuwa vs jimmo. I think jimmo is the much more talented fighter, by a huge margin. The only problem is manuwa hit kyle kinsbury so hard it made me feel bad for him. He hits like a truck and could catch jimmo. The positive is jimmos style is karate based like machidas and usually revolves around svoiding strikes and landing lone counters which could prove cery effective against manuwa. On top of that manuwa will probably gas before the fight is over. That is my hunch at least. He is heavily muscled. I like jimmo at dog odds and i like him itd as well. Fight doesnt go to decision is probably a good bet as well. The reasons being manuwas power, jimmos power and the likelyhood that manuwa wilk gas amd get koed or submitted.

Phil harris vs john lineker: lineker is a beast. Phill harris seems somewhat decent though. He has a lot of submissions on his record as well. I expect lineker to knock him out in this one but phils submission ability makes me a little nervous given the fact that lineker was recently tapped out. Granted i think that was his ufc debut.

Kuiper vs brad scott: i read brad scotts bio, thats about as much as i know about him. He normally fights at 170. He had a southwest muay thai title. No idea how good that is. It says he started training in the royal navy to get in shape. Hes 24 so that would mean hes only been training for a coupe of years unless he started muay thai as a youth. I amnguessing kuiper wins this one handily but it would be worth watching his fiht against robert whitaker becaus he is pretty decent.

[edman5555]

I just watched craig vs leben and i was impressed with craigs takedown defense and double leg shot. Granted leben was coming forward the whole time so it probably wasnt that hard to time. Im still not sure who takes it. I think barnatt is going to have trouble hitting craig standing. Leben was swinging for the feces but craig kept coming forward. Craig landed the best shots in that fight. That colin hart guy looked pretty good against barnatt so ya gotta think craig will take it. Craigs cardio is clearly better though we should assume barnatt will come out looking better in this one.

[MMA_scientist]

I'll take Munoz.

[edman5555]

I'll take Munoz.

Please explain.

[MMA_scientist]

Please explain.

I think Munoz can win. Don't know, I still believe in his wrestling and think it is unfairly maligned because of a couple of fights. He is kind of hot and cold, but I think with Machida having to cut the weight for the first time, Munoz could surprise him. Machida's style makes him prone to losing decisions and Munoz could get a few TD's.

[Luke]

I really can't see Munoz winning. He's too slow to ever get his hands on Machida and take him down. I think Machida runs most of the fight and strikes when he feels like it to an easy decision

[edman5555]

I agree with luke. Frankly I think machida knocks him out. What's the differene between munoz nd bader?

[Luke]

I agree with luke. Frankly I think machida knocks him out. What's the differene between munoz nd bader?


That sounds like a racist question

[edman5555]

Frankly I think bader is probably better than munoz.

[MMA_scientist]

I think Munoz has better wrestling and brings more pressure. He might get knocked out if he comes forward. But I think Machida might do his deal where he throws 3 strikes per round and maybe get a bit tired dt the weight cut and get taken down a few times. I mean, Phil Davis supposedly doesn't have good MMA wrestling either and he was able to get Machida down. I think Munoz's wrestling is underrated in MMA.

[poopoo333]

Machida by decision +248 has value imo. I don't think this one ends ITD

[MMA_scientist]

Machida by decision +248 has value imo. I don't think this one ends ITD

I'll definitely take that. I don't think it ends ITD either way. I bet the distance props for the first time in forever on 166, might give that a whirl for a while.

[poopoo333]

Sat 10/26

1107 Guillard wins by 3 round decision

+725





4:30PM

1108 Not Guillard by 3 round decision

-1340

[MMA_scientist]

Sat 10/26

1107 Guillard wins by 3 round decision

+725





4:30PM

1108 Not Guillard by 3 round decision

-1340




Damn. You pretty much have to bet that.

[MMA_scientist]

Im taking Tuck too.

[edman5555]

Damn. You pretty much have to bet that.

gotta wonder wtf is going on when you see a line like that.

[Svino]

That Guillard line is nuts. Sometimes people get it into their head that a fighter just *can't* win a certain way and go overboard with it.

[edman5555]

Jesus christ if you think thats bad take a look at the bfo graph for lyoto by submission. It went all the way up to plus 3850.

[edman5555]

So far i have machida sub +1450, jimmo itd +600, that guillard line, machida straight and machida itd.

[poopoo333]

This starts at 12:00 PM EST

[edman5555]

I am on Andrew Craig and Cole miller. I think those two are at really good odds. Cole miller just arguably beat a much better version of andy ogle in Manny gamburyan. Barnatt is a bit of a sloppy striker so I think Craig should catch him at some point.

[Mr. IWS]

This starts at 12:00 PM EST

Didnt realize that, thanks homie.

[edman5555]

jimmo with 3.5 points is paying out at +120.

[AC88]

People like Iaquinta over Hallman? Iaquinta decisioned a Ryan Couture who arguably lost to KJ Noons. All of Hallman's competition prior to coming to the UFC was legit and he's coming off a sub win over Trinaldo. Hallman at + odds is a very good play. No guarantees but I'm putting down on Hallman.

[Luke]

This starts at 12:00 PM EST

Too early . Not watching. Text me if Machida wins or not..............someone

[AC88]

damn i thought hallman woud have taken a decision

[Svino]

Hallman did better than I thought he would. I gave him round 1.