UFC 169 Feb 1st

[Luke]

Bantamweight
Dominick Cruz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominick_Cruz) (c)
vs.
Renan Barão (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renan_Bar%C3%A3o) (ic)



[a] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_169#cite_note-8)


Featherweight
José Aldo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Aldo) (c)
vs.
Ricardo Lamas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricardo_Lamas)



[b] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_169#cite_note-9)


Heavyweight
Frank Mir (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Mir)
vs.
Alistair Overeem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alistair_Overeem)






Flyweight
John Lineker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lineker)
vs.
Ali Bagautinov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Bagautinov)






Lightweight
Jamie Varner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Varner)
vs.
Abel Trujillo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abel_Trujillo)






Preliminary card (Fox Sports 1)


Lightweight
John Makdessi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Makdessi)
vs.
Alan Patrick






Flyweight
Chris Cariaso (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Cariaso)
vs.
Kyoji Horiguchi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoji_Horiguchi)






Middleweight
Nick Catone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Catone)
vs.
Tom Watson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Watson_%28fighter%29)






Lightweight
Al Iaquinta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Iaquinta)
vs.
Kevin Lee






Preliminary card (Online)


Middleweight
Clint Hester (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clint_Hester)
vs.
Andy Enz






Lightweight
Tony Martin
vs.
Rashid Magomedov (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashid_Magomedov)






Welterweight
Neil Magny (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Magny)
vs.
Gasan Umalatov

[Luke]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/737.png

[Luke]

Reem -250































inb4zakSaysHeLikesReem

[poopoo333]

Jamie Varner is going to win.

If Nick Catone has anything left he should be able to win.

[Mr. IWS]

Will be on Reem.

Whens the last time a champion faced a champion in the UFC?

[poopoo333]

Will be on Reem.

Whens the last time a champion faced a champion in the UFC?

REEM ALL FUCKING DAY BRO!!!

Shane Carwin vs Brock Lesnar at UFC 116 I think.

[edman5555]

Agree with reem and varner. My exact reaction when i first saw it. Also agree with the catone comment. Like aldo as well though the line is shit. Lamas is pretty dangerous.

[Luke]

Will be on Reem.

Whens the last time a champion faced a champion in the UFC?

Couture-Toney

[Luke]

Cruz is hurt. Faber stepping in for him.


Cruz is the Tito Ortiz of the no one cares division

[Mr. IWS]

Couture-Toney

LOL

[Mr. IWS]

Cruz is hurt. Faber stepping in for him.


Cruz is the Tito Ortiz of the no one cares division


I think faber could win that.

[Luke]

I think faber could win that.

Stop ::hammertime::


Faber is the new Florian of title fights

[Mr. IWS]

haha!

[edman5555]

I give faber a good shot in this one. He made mcdonald look pretty bad.

[MMA_scientist]

I give faber a good shot in this one. He made mcdonald look pretty bad.

Remember that time that Barao and Faber already fought and Faber got outclassed? I don't see what has changed.

[poopoo333]

Remember that time that Barao and Faber already fought and Faber got outclassed? I don't see what has changed.

Agreed. There is no way he wins this fight unless he can put Barao in a "dog fight" early and test his cardio (which has looked shitty in the past...especially against Cole Escovedo IIRC..I may be wrong FUCK IDK LOL). If he can't get Barao down and keep him there he is fucked.

[edman5555]

I didnt see the fight. I was thinking that fabers game migght have improved enough for him to fair better on the feet. He did well against mcdonald.

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/737.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)


Like Reem here.

[Mr. IWS]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/737.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)


Like Reem here.

Negged for stealing my line.



















































I like Reem here.

[poopoo333]

I also like the under 1.5 rounds bet at -210 in this fight.

[Luke]

I also like the under 1.5 rounds bet at -210 in this fight.

Why? Both have good gas tanks and iron chins.

[edman5555]

I wonder how overeem would fair if he dropped some muscle mass. Maybe enter the cage at sround 240 pounds. He might be better off.

[poopoo333]

Why? Both have good gas tanks and iron chins.

::thumbup:: Good point man.

[Luke]

I wonder how overeem would fair if he dropped some muscle mass. Maybe enter the cage at sround 240 pounds. He might be better off.

Just go watch some of his old fights when he fought at 205 to answer that

[poopoo333]

Just go watch some of his old fights when he fought at 205 to answer that

Yeah but 205 isn't 240.

[edman5555]

Just go watch some of his old fights when he fought at 205 to answer that

He might not gas as hard. He weighed in at 255.5 for his last fight. I think he flat out has too much muscle mass for his frame. That is why he gasses so hard. At 240 he wouldn't have to carry as much weight. His fights at 205 wouldn't be any indicator of how he would perform because he had to cut weight then. Probably a lot of it.

[Thewisemann]

Will be on Reem.

Whens the last time a champion faced a champion in the UFC?

GSP vs condit

[Luke]

^^^ GSP-Diaz

[Mr. IWS]

How bout champions from two different weight classes in the same org facing eachother?

[poopoo333]

How bout champions from two different weight classes in the same org facing eachother?

BJ Penn vs GSP II

[poopoo333]

Aldo/glass chin vs glass chin under 1.5 rds parlay pays -134

[Luke]

Aldo/glass chin vs glass chin under 1.5 rds parlay pays -134

English por favor

[Mr. IWS]

Read this on Espn:


"(James) McSweeney is a guy who was trained by the same trainer as Alistair," Mir said. "I really don't think I could find a better person to simulate him."

Is this mutherfucker for real right now?

[Luke]

^^^^^^^^^^BOL, Mir has taken too many shots to the head

[Luke]

THAT KID IS DANGEROUUSSSSSSSS!!!!

[edman5555]

Reem has stated that he cut some muscle mass and worked on his cardio..

[Mr. IWS]

Reem has stated that he cut some muscle mass and worked on his cardio..

Im curious to see what he looks like at the weighins myself.

[edman5555]

Just go watch some of his old fights when he fought at 205 to answer that

http://mmajunkie.com/2014/01/alistair-overeem-dropped-muscle-upped-cardio-for-ufc-169-fight-with-frank-mir/

Alistair Overeem reads this blog.

[Luke]

Reem has stated that he cut some muscle mass and worked on his cardio..

He did the same thing against Bigfoot and got KTFO in the 3rd instead of the 1st rd

[edman5555]

He did the same thing against Bigfoot and got KTFO in the 3rd instead of the 1st rd

Well he should weigh even less than he did in that fight. Shouldn't he?

[edman5555]

ufc 141 vs brock - weigh in 263

ufc 156 vs bigfoot - weigh in 264

vs browne - weighed in at 255.5

So if he drops another 5 or so pounds that will put him about 15 pounds below his UFC debut

[Luke]

ufc 141 vs brock - weigh in 263

ufc 156 vs bigfoot - weigh in 264

vs browne - weighed in at 255.5

So if he drops another 5 or so pounds that will put him about 15 pounds below his UFC debut

The best he ever looked was in his debut.


Load up the pictures from UFC 141 and 156. He looks half the size, I don't care what his weight is . He could have cut weight for 141 and not for 156

[edman5555]

Yeah that's a good point. He probably cut weight. You also have to consider that his fight against Brock didn't last that long so he didn't have a chance to gas.

[Luke]

UFC 141

966


156

967


The guy on the bottom "weighs more" but who has more muscle?

[Luke]

You also have to consider that his fight against Brock didn't last that long so he didn't have a chance to gas.

Probably a good thing lol

[edman5555]

Faber vs Barao:

Going to have to side with Barao in this one. As good as Faber has looked he lost a five round unanimous decision to Barao about a year ago. I'm sure he has improved since then but then again Barao has likely improved as well. I think Faber is getting so much credit for his four fight win streak but if you look at it you don't really see anything that demonstrates huge improvement in his game. He basically outgrappled Menjivar and Alcantara. That's the norm for him, nothing new there. He beat Jorgensen on the feet but frankly not by very much in my opinion. I could be misremembering that one but I don't recall him doing anything that impressive standing. That's the fight that makes me want to bet on Barao. It wasn't until Jorgensen basically gassed in round four that Faber was able to get him down and choke him out. Versus Mcdonald he looked good standing but that could be in part to Mcdonald being taken down in round one and being afraid to engage standing. In addition I think it was really just one shot that landed on Mcdonald standing that made the difference. I think Barao is still on a whole other level standing and his grappling could very well be better than Fabers. At least good enough that if Faber gets him down he will be safe and have a decent shot at getting back to his feet.

Aldo/ Lamas:

I don't see Lamas having the striking to get inside on Aldo. I'm not going to go into this one too much because I think we all probably figure Aldo wins it.

Reem/Mir:

I think this fight is Reems to lose so most likely that means he loses. I like the fact that he has decided to drop some weight to improve his cardio. That should help him against Mir. I don't like the fact that he mentioned in an interview that he might grapple with Mir. I know Reem is a competent grappler but Mir can obviously catch him and it seems like a pointless risk to take. Standing he is miles ahead of Mir.

Cariaso/Martinez:

Martinez is a better wrestler than Cariaso and probably a little bigger. His striking is somewhat rudimentary and I think his jiu jitsu is probably not very good though its sort of hard to evaluate. I only have two fights to go by. One against Jussier de Formiga and the other against Davey Grant. Formiga is so good at Jiu jitsu its hard to really knock Martinez for being outgrappled but its worth noting he did lose the wrestling against him. Cariaso did as well so theres not much to take from that. Martinez did tapped out by Davey Grant after a very long struggle to get a takedown against him that spanned almost two rounds. Grant doesn't have a wrestling background but he is a big strong guy in comparison to Cariaso. This fight is really tough to tell in my opinion. I think Cariaso should win the standup and be hard to hold down due to his guard being very active. Martinez doesn't seem to be a very good fighter overall but he might be good enough to hold Cariaso down. It might come down to what kind of ref the fight has and how they feel about stand ups. Tough call. I wanted to bet Cariaso but the lay and pray potential scares me.

I would appreciate any insight on Danny Martinez and Cariaso.

[MMA_scientist]

With regard to Faber/Barao... The only fight that Faber might have lost even on a bad day was the MacDonald fight. The other guys- those all are guys that he should have beaten (to his credit, he did). MacDonald, he looked good, but I just don't see it as a big enough thing to think that he is now going to beat Barao, who won pretty much every second of their last fight. Faber was never in that fight IIRC.

Mir/Reem- Agree that the style favors Reem, but neither of these guys are guys that I am going to bet anything on, ever. No outcome would surprise me there. Reem is probably mostly off the juice, and Mir is on it, so probably Mir by superior testosterone level.

[Luke]

I honestly hope Mir takes Reem down and submits his

[MMA_scientist]

I wouldn't mid seeing it, but if Werdum and Brock couldn't take him down, I am kind of doubting Mir can.

[edman5555]

Reem made a comment about grappling with mir. If i had money on him i would be concerned that he might go for a takedown. Mir also mentioned that he would pull guard if reem gets him up against the fence. While im not worried that reem couldnt avoid being pulled to the ground i am worried that he might willingly go there. He did sit in werdums guard so who the hell knows what he will do. He also wrestled with bigfoot. You would think with his cardio problems he would just go out there and tet to outstrike his opponents. Do the old sprawl and brawl. Instead he engages in clinch fighting and wrestling. I know he had great knees from the clinch but damn its almost gauranteed that he will gas.

[edman5555]

With regard to Faber/Barao... The only fight that Faber might have lost even on a bad day was the MacDonald fight. The other guys- those all are guys that he should have beaten (to his credit, he did). MacDonald, he looked good, but I just don't see it as a big enough thing to think that he is now going to beat Barao, who won pretty much every second of their last fight. Faber was never in that fight IIRC.

Mir/Reem- Agree that the style favors Reem, but neither of these guys are guys that I am going to bet anything on, ever. No outcome would surprise me there. Reem is probably mostly off the juice, and Mir is on it, so probably Mir by superior testosterone level.

Yeah thats basically whatim saying about faber. He hasnt becme amazing in the past year he has just improved his striking a little bit and fouht guys who were never as good as him to begin with.

[Mr. IWS]

I honestly hope Mir takes Reem down and submits his

::thumbdown::

[MMA_scientist]

I now predict that Reem will stop Mir in rd 1. I mean, Mir gets KO'd from clinch strikes, and he can't even take a shot from Barnett, who has no power. How is going to take even 1 mule kick from Overeem. There is no way.... Mir is getting KO'd.

[poopoo333]

I love the under 1.5 rds here...even at -220

[edman5555]

I now predict that Reem will stop Mir in rd 1. I mean, Mir gets KO'd from clinch strikes, and he can't even take a shot from Barnett, who has no power. How is going to take even 1 mule kick from Overeem. There is no way.... Mir is getting KO'd.

I want to bet reem tko but my concern is that he may come out conservative. Mir almost made it to the end of round two with JDS. Reem is coming off of multiple gassings. It's conceivable that reem doesn't want to rush mir and try to take him out. Just a thought.

[edman5555]

I am on Rashid Magomedov and Chris Cariaso by the way. Incase anyone cared.

[edman5555]

Faber vs Barao:

Going to have to side with Barao in this one. As good as Faber has looked he lost a five round unanimous decision to Barao about a year ago. I'm sure he has improved since then but then again Barao has likely improved as well. I think Faber is getting so much credit for his four fight win streak but if you look at it you don't really see anything that demonstrates huge improvement in his game. He basically outgrappled Menjivar and Alcantara. That's the norm for him, nothing new there. He beat Jorgensen on the feet but frankly not by very much in my opinion. I could be misremembering that one but I don't recall him doing anything that impressive standing. That's the fight that makes me want to bet on Barao. It wasn't until Jorgensen basically gassed in round four that Faber was able to get him down and choke him out. Versus Mcdonald he looked good standing but that could be in part to Mcdonald being taken down in round one and being afraid to engage standing. In addition I think it was really just one shot that landed on Mcdonald standing that made the difference. I think Barao is still on a whole other level standing and his grappling could very well be better than Fabers. At least good enough that if Faber gets him down he will be safe and have a decent shot at getting back to his feet.

Aldo/ Lamas:

I don't see Lamas having the striking to get inside on Aldo. I'm not going to go into this one too much because I think we all probably figure Aldo wins it.

Reem/Mir:

I think this fight is Reems to lose so most likely that means he loses. I like the fact that he has decided to drop some weight to improve his cardio. That should help him against Mir. I don't like the fact that he mentioned in an interview that he might grapple with Mir. I know Reem is a competent grappler but Mir can obviously catch him and it seems like a pointless risk to take. Standing he is miles ahead of Mir.

Cariaso/Martinez:

Martinez is a better wrestler than Cariaso and probably a little bigger. His striking is somewhat rudimentary and I think his jiu jitsu is probably not very good though its sort of hard to evaluate. I only have two fights to go by. One against Jussier de Formiga and the other against Davey Grant. Formiga is so good at Jiu jitsu its hard to really knock Martinez for being outgrappled but its worth noting he did lose the wrestling against him. Cariaso did as well so theres not much to take from that. Martinez did tapped out by Davey Grant after a very long struggle to get a takedown against him that spanned almost two rounds. Grant doesn't have a wrestling background but he is a big strong guy in comparison to Cariaso. This fight is really tough to tell in my opinion. I think Cariaso should win the standup and be hard to hold down due to his guard being very active. Martinez doesn't seem to be a very good fighter overall but he might be good enough to hold Cariaso down. It might come down to what kind of ref the fight has and how they feel about stand ups. Tough call. I wanted to bet Cariaso but the lay and pray potential scares me.

I would appreciate any insight on Danny Martinez and Cariaso.

Adding Rashid Magomedov vs Tony Martin:

Martin is primarily a grappler that looks to have pretty solid wrestling and jiu jitsu. His striking doesn't look to be very developed. No wins by ko, 6 out of 8 wins by submission. Basically he gets the fight to the ground and tries to sub his opponent. Most of his opponents have had shitty records. His best win is a majority decision over Phillipe Nover whom he outsized by a significant proportion.

Magomedov has solid striking and very good takedown defense. He is the former M1 champion. His last fight was against a Russian freestyle wrestling champion/master of sports. He was somewhat outwrestled for the first two rounds. He was eventually taken down after putting up a very good fight. The last three rounds he did much better. He won a unanimous decision. This fight was at 170 pounds. Magomedov is only about 5'9'' and is now making the cut to 155 pounds. I think he should be able to go the distance without gassing. He appears to be a counterstriker which should bode well for him in this fight. Since martins striking isn't very good and he will most likely have to chain takedown attempts together for three rounds he will probably have to run forward and hope for some luck. I figure Magomedov should be able to counter him pretty effectively and fend off most if not all of the takedowns. He stopped the other guys takedowns(Alexander Yakovlev ) so I would think he should be able to stop Martin.

Alexander Yakovlev:
All-Russian Wrestling Federation Medalist Russian Freestyle Wrestling Championships
Also a master of sports in sambo and combat sambo. AKA a pretty good fighter. He is coming off of a win over Paul Daley.

[Mr. IWS]

I am on Rashid Magomedov and Chris Cariaso by the way. Incase anyone cared.

::handshake:: Good luck homie

[edman5555]

::handshake:: Good luck homie

Thanks.

[Svino]

Reem made a comment about grappling with mir. If i had money on him i would be concerned that he might go for a takedown.

It rarely pays to take what fighters say about their gameplan at face value. They're playing the throw-my-opponent-off-the-scent game as often as not.

By all rights, Overeem should shove Mir up against the fence and crumple him with uppercuts and knees. I'm not laying -400 money on a chinny HW with a bad gas tank, though.

[Luke]

I think Reem by decision at +900 is worth a shot. He got a decision over Wedurm and was on his way to one against Bigfoot. Think he takes this fight slow and we see Mir back flop like Werdum

[Svino]

I think Reem by decision at +900 is worth a shot. He got a decision over Wedurm and was on his way to one against Bigfoot. Think he takes this fight slow and we see Mir back flop like Werdum

That result would be worth it just to see Dana blow a blood vessel.

[edman5555]

I think Reem by decision at +900 is worth a shot. He got a decision over Wedurm and was on his way to one against Bigfoot. Think he takes this fight slow and we see Mir back flop like Werdum

go luke, its your birthday

[Mr. IWS]

I think Reem by decision at +900 is worth a shot. He got a decision over Wedurm and was on his way to one against Bigfoot. Think he takes this fight slow and we see Mir back flop like Werdum

Nice call

::handshake::

[poopoo333]

Luke texted me before the fight. He had $1k on that prop. He's on vacation right now

[edman5555]

serious?

[poopoo333]

serious?

Yep!

[Mr. IWS]

::winna:: Luke