UFC 193: Lawler vs. Condit November 14th [Archive] - Investwithsports.com Sportstalk and Gambling forum

Luke

08-19-2015, 01:23 PM

Bigfoot-Hunt 2 just announced. Up to date card:

UFC Welterweight Championship (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_Welterweight_Championship) bout: Robbie Lawler (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbie_Lawler) (c) vs. Carlos Condit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Condit)
Heavyweight bout: Antonio Silva (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Silva_%28fighter%29) vs. Mark Hunt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Hunt)
Lightweight bout: Jake Matthews (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Matthews_%28fighter%29) vs. Akbarh Arreola (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akbarh_Arreola)
Middleweight bout: Daniel Kelly (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Kelly_%28fighter%29) vs. Ricardo Abreu

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_193#cite_note-TwoAdded-6)

SPX

08-19-2015, 01:51 PM

Definitely going to be on Robbie with those odds. And Hunt might actually kill Bigfoot this time.

CriticalHit

08-19-2015, 03:02 PM

I still can't believe the punishment Bigfoot withstood in the Hunt fight(though he was about to be finished in the 5th if not for the ref).

SPX

08-19-2015, 03:16 PM

I still can't believe the punishment Bigfoot withstood in the Hunt fight(though he was about to be finished in the 5th if not for the ref).

That fight was insane. And both guys are in a weird spot right now. Consider:

Going into the fight with Bigfoot, Hunt was 4-1 in his last 5. He was in the middle of a career resurgence, was looking great and was on his way to fighting for the interim title.

Going into the fight with Hunt, Bigfoot had recently had unexpected wins over Browne and Overeem and was experiencing something of a resurgence of his own.

And since that fight both fighters are 1-2 and have just kind of been looking like shit. So it's really hard to determine where both those guys are at right now. But I think that unless Bigfoot is back on TRT that Hunt is going to smash him. I just think Hunt has more left at this point.

CriticalHit

08-19-2015, 04:27 PM

Yeah, that was a tremendous unexpected 5 round war. Nearly nobody predicted it'd go the distance. It's a shame the positive test tainted it a bit.

I agree with him having more left. Bigfoot off of TRT is looking like he's a loss or two away from retirement. He did rebound with the win over Soa to his credit. Soa's striking is pretty bad and his gnp is his bread and butter. I think Hunt turns his lights out this time.

Silva's best shot is probably on the ground this time even though he was very competitive standing versus Hunt last time esp. if Mark's cardio looks as bad as it did in his last fight.

SPX

08-19-2015, 04:33 PM

Yeah, good on Silva for getting the win over Soa because if he hadn't . . . it's probably retirement time. Soa is by no means a top-level heavyweight and if someone like Bigfoot--who has wins over guys like Browne and Overeem and who went to a draw with Hunt--can't get past Soa fucking Palelei, then it just might be time to hang them up because that's a steep decline.

I have to say though, even in victory Bigfoot didn't look great. He lost the first round after letting himself be taken down and by the second round Soa was gassed and just gave up. So I'm not sure how much credit to give Bigfoot on that one.

Ludo

08-19-2015, 04:40 PM

On the contrary. Silva weathered a storm that has stopped several Heavyweights in the UFC. It's not his fault Soa is a 5 minute fighter. Got to give Silva some credit for showing up with enough gas to go at least 6 minutes.

SPX

08-19-2015, 04:48 PM

Éire

08-19-2015, 05:03 PM

Lawler via UD (48-47)
Hunt via KO 1st RD

I think Condit could potentially win the fight with Robbie although I wouldn't put money on it.

As for Bigfoot, he should probably retire. That being said, Hunt took a fucking beating from Stipe and I have no idea what the effects of that will be. (Besides the obvious)

SPX

08-19-2015, 05:24 PM

I think Condit could potentially win the fight with Robbie although I wouldn't put money on it.

At first I was thinking Robbie all the way. The more I've thought about it, but more I could see Condit employing a strategy similar to the one he used against Diaz. Hit and run. Don't get into a brawl. That sort of thing.

The more I think about it the more I think I might just stay away from this one.

Luke

08-19-2015, 05:33 PM

At first I was thinking Robbie all the way. The more I've thought about it, but more I could see Condit employing a strategy similar to the one he used against Diaz. Hit and run. Don't get into a brawl. That sort of thing.

The more I think about it the more I think I might just stay away from this one.

How do you go from definitely betting on someone to leaving a fight alone in the matter of three hours?

SPX

08-19-2015, 05:37 PM

How do you go from definitely betting on someone to leaving a fight alone in the matter of three hours?

I thought more about it.

Luke

08-19-2015, 05:51 PM

I thought more about it.

Consider that your first negging

Ludo

08-19-2015, 07:33 PM

Like I said, Silva did win and that's a hell of a lot better than losing. So I do give him credit for that.

But let's not pretend like Soa and Bigfoot have historically existed on the same level. Soa is the kind of HW who can perform well against other lower or lower-mid-level guys like Krylov, Potts and Walt Harris. Whereas Bigfoot has a win--not just a win, but a TKO stoppage--over fucking Fedor.

I'm just saying that Bigfoot should be expected to run fight over a guy like Soa and the fact that he gave up a round like he did is not encouraging.

Just because Soa hasn't been a world beater doesn't mean that if he gets you down you're not in some serious trouble with a guy that big on top of you, who's specialty just happens to be clobbering dudes into bolivian from top position. Bigfoot weathered the storm, took minimal damage on the ground, and was still fresh at the start of the second round.

SPX

08-20-2015, 08:48 PM

I do love the "into bolivian" reference.

VinceArch

08-20-2015, 09:41 PM

Going to be a sick fight and I'm not sure who will win. I'm a fan of both fighters so may the best man win.

SPX

08-20-2015, 09:44 PM

Going to be a sick fight and I'm not sure who will win. I'm a fan of both fighters so may the best man win.

Yeah, that's kind of how I feel as well. Both guys are cool and I'm a fan of both. It's been awesome to see Robbie, after his LONG fucking career, finally hold a belt in the UFC. I mean, 5 years ago who would've guessed?

But now, it would be cool to see Condit do the same. He's also been in the game a long time and paid his dues.

BTW, I wonder what Woodley thinks about this after his "win" over Condit.

VinceArch

08-20-2015, 10:23 PM

Yeah, that's kind of how I feel as well. Both guys are cool and I'm a fan of both. It's been awesome to see Robbie, after his LONG fucking career, finally hold a belt in the UFC. I mean, 5 years ago who would've guessed?

But now, it would be cool to see Condit do the same. He's also been in the game a long time and paid his dues.

BTW, I wonder what Woodley thinks about this after his "win" over Condit.

I'm certain Woodley isn't happy and it's not like he doesn't have a good reason. It seems the UFC is basically telling the fighters to start going for a more fan friendly style if you want the money making fights. Sucks, but keep on keeping on as they say. I do hope Woodley can beat Hendricks.

SPX

08-20-2015, 10:36 PM

I'm certain Woodley isn't happy and it's not like he doesn't have a good reason. It seems the UFC is basically telling the fighters to start going for a more fan friendly style if you want the money making fights. Sucks, but keep on keeping on as they say. I do hope Woodley can beat Hendricks.

There's definitely an entertainment aspect to the UFC's decisions. Some fighters, who are either loved for the fighting styles or their personalities, gets fast tracked. Others have to fight like a million times before they get their shot.

I remember thinking Okami would never get his shot. Right now Assuncao is in that position. 7 fight win streak and no title shot.

Luke

08-20-2015, 10:42 PM

I'm certain Woodley isn't happy and it's not like he doesn't have a good reason. It seems the UFC is basically telling the fighters to start going for a more fan friendly style if you want the money making fights. Sucks, but keep on keeping on as they say. I do hope Woodley can beat Hendricks.

This is just a guess, but I think Condit got the title shot over Woodley because they saw they could make two really good fights, or one, and two makes more business sense.
If they gave Woodley the title, shot all that's left is Hendricks and Condit...who already fought, so what do you do with them, give them bum fights?

I can't prove any of that, just a guess

Luke

08-21-2015, 01:46 AM

Mark Hunt opened at -180. Higher now. Too high imo

https://www.bestfightodds.com/events/1002.png

SPX

08-21-2015, 12:53 PM

Yeah, no way I'm taking Hunt at those odds and I just don't think Bifgoot will get it done so I guess I'm staying away from this one.

edman5555

08-21-2015, 01:19 PM

Supposedly Hunt has gone vegan and will be sporting a new physique.

Luke

08-21-2015, 01:26 PM

Supposedly Hunt has gone vegan and will be sporting a new physique.

Can be skeptical. That guy looks like he barely trains anymore

CriticalHit

08-21-2015, 03:37 PM

1008

Not drastic but he does seem to be working on it.

SPX

08-21-2015, 03:44 PM

Hunt a vegan, BOL! I literally can't believe that. That Samoan motherfucker likes food WAY too much for that shit.

Luke

08-21-2015, 05:07 PM

1008

Not drastic but he does seem to be working on it.

Bout time. He looked like a fat slob last fight

Luke

08-26-2015, 04:52 PM

A heavyweight bout between Stefan Struve (http://mmajunkie.com/tag/stefan-struve) (26-7 MMA, 10-5 UFC) and Jared Rosholt (http://mmajunkie.com/tag/jared-rosholt) is in the works for November’s UFC 193 event in Australia.

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CriticalHit

08-26-2015, 08:27 PM

Rosholt fight? Someone's going to sleep.

The fans

Luke

08-26-2015, 10:49 PM

Rosholt fight? Someone's going to sleep.

The fans

It may be boring as fuck, but Struve should win

Luke

08-28-2015, 11:43 PM

Lawler/Condit is off UFC 193. Lawler suffered a thumb injury.

Need a new main event now

Luke

08-28-2015, 11:49 PM

Ronda Rousey vs. Holly Holm moved to Australia Nov. 14 because @Ruthless_RL (https://twitter.com/Ruthless_RL) has a thumb injury and is out for fight vs. Condit.

That didn't take long

edman5555

08-29-2015, 08:03 AM

I like the Whittaker against Bisping matchup. Pretty interesting, Whittaker has speed and youth. Bisping is probably a bit more versatile. In terms of striking technique I'm not sure who to give credit to but I could lean Whittaker.