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So this dude is coming to the UFC. Sage Northcutt. He's 19. And Sherdog, in what I gather is a mixture of tongue-in-cheek joke-hype and legitimate enthusiasm, has been going crazy for the guy.
Anyone heard of him? He went 5-1 as an amateur and is 5-0 as a pro (albeit all but one of those wins are against cans). I think he looks promising. At only 19 he has a lot of time to develop.
Here he is with his UFC contract. . .
http://i.imgur.com/nNTy6Gf.png
Here he is kicking some dude with a side kick. . .
http://jasonsamuelphotography.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/legacy-amateur-11-53.jpg
Apparently he used to compete in karate competitions. . .
http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTI3NjcxNzg3OF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwNjE5NTE0Mw@@._ V1_SX640_SY720_.jpg
And he also competes in physique contests. . .
http://images.tapology.com/letterbox_images/43901/default/Sage-Northcutt.jpeg?1434034306
And he's been ripped since he was a little kid. . .
http://imacusa.net/images/spotlight/junior/sage.jpg
And here's one of his fights. . .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPRSdEWYQsU
Mr. IWS
09-08-2015, 02:28 PM
Never heard of him, but he has a marketable look for sure.
Feed him to Matt Browne like they did Wonderboy.
Never heard of him, but he has a marketable look for sure.
Yeah, I'm pretty much ready to go ahead and go full on homo for him.
Feed him to Matt Browne like they did Wonderboy.
BOL. Wonderboy was already a very experienced full contact kickboxer when he came to the UFC. Let's give this kid some time to develop first.
Although, since you bring up Wonderboy, Northcutt also comes from a sport karate background so a Wonderboy vs Northcutt matchup is very intriguing.
BOL. Wonderboy was already a very experienced full contact kickboxer when he came to the UFC. Let's give this kid some time to develop first.
Although, since you bring up Wonderboy, Northcutt also comes from a sport karate background so a Wonderboy vs Northcutt matchup is very intriguing.
Yes but Browne presents a unique experience for anyone who's relatively new to "the big time" in that he's going to take you to the limit, even if you're beating the shit out of him. It's an important gauge to see what kind of heart and toughness this kid has.
Yes but Browne presents a unique experience for anyone who's relatively new to "the big time" in that he's going to take you to the limit, even if you're beating the shit out of him. It's an important gauge to see what kind of heart and toughness this kid has.
I still say let's give the guy a few softballs first. . . Jesus, you really want him to fight Matt Brown already?
http://imacusa.net/images/spotlight/junior/sage.jpg
I wonder why kind of PEDs he was on here.
I still say let's give the guy a few softballs first. . . Jesus, you really want him to fight Matt Brown already?
Might as well see what he's made of. They made Rory fight Condit in his second fight in the UFC. Gotta show these guys quickly that it's going to be a whole different can of worms in the UFC. See how they react to the challenge.
Might as well see what he's made of. They made Rory fight Condit in his second fight in the UFC. Gotta show these guys quickly that it's going to be a whole different can of worms in the UFC. See how they react to the challenge.
Rory was at least 10-0 at that point with a few wins over guys people have actually heard of.
Rory was at least 10-0 at that point with a few wins over guys people have actually heard of.
Actually nobody had heard of his opponents to that point, except maybe people who follow the underground canadian MMA scene. Jordan Mein made his debut against Rory, and Guymon made his UFC debut against Rory. Similar positions, really.
Mr. IWS
09-08-2015, 03:55 PM
Yeah, I'm pretty much ready to go ahead and go full on homo for him.
LMAO!
A highlight:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG_g9aTWtWg
Yeah, I'm pretty much ready to go ahead and go full on homo for him.
/thread
poopoo333
09-08-2015, 10:35 PM
SPX would suck any guys dick that has done karate.
poopoo333
09-28-2015, 12:26 AM
He fights this weekend
CriticalHit
09-28-2015, 04:16 AM
It's a pretty stacked card, he's going to have to have a highlight reel finish to not get lost in the shuffle after UFC 192.
Dana going gaga over him here.
Video
https://twitter.com/ufc/status/647539780067045376
https://i.imgur.com/XrlnzWN.jpg
Mr. IWS
09-30-2015, 10:40 AM
of course..
Dana going gaga over him here.
Video
https://twitter.com/ufc/status/647539780067045376
Ha ha, yeah, Dana is officially all about that dude. But you have to admit, Northcutt looks good. Not sure if he'll be able to look as good against UFC-level competition, but regardless he clearly has some skills.
Tonight we find out who the REAL capoeira mestre is!
Sage and Paige together, a glorious dream come true?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQWcuZsWIAAmg_z.jpg
57 seconds. I guess he's not just hype after all.
http://giant.gfycat.com/FragrantGoldenArcticduck.gif
Holy shit LMAO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMWmA-u3PTQ
https://gfycat.com/TanAbsoluteDodobird
How is this even possible?
Sage and Paige together, a glorious dream come true?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQWcuZsWIAAmg_z.jpg
Sage van zant
Mr. IWS
10-04-2015, 09:57 AM
Dana is gonna try to get Sage and Ronda to make a baby now.
CTFU at your sig X
https://gfycat.com/TanAbsoluteDodobird
How is this even possible?
The dude's a freak. There were some gymnast guys over on SD commenting on how even many college-level acrobats have a hard time pulling that move off.
CTFU at your sig X
Never forget, bro!
Sage and Paige together, a glorious dream come true?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQWcuZsWIAAmg_z.jpg
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/01/30/article-2270540-173EDBF0000005DC-299_634x482.jpg
Can we talk about those shots to the back of the head as Herb was coming in to wave it off?
https://gfycat.com/TanAbsoluteDodobird
How is this even possible?
I call hax
Can we talk about those shots to the back of the head as Herb was coming in to wave it off?
Jesus Christ, this shit? I would expect this from some noob but not from you. I don't see anything there that falls under the commission's definition of "back of the head."
You don't see how he's punching him in the braid ponytail? That falls under everyone's definition of 'back of the head' lol.
We need a slow-motion/close-up gif before I answer that. Because it looks more like the left side of the back of his head to me.
LOL @ this comment I just ran across on Sherdog:
"Northcutt looks like a creepy Ken doll that crawled out of a bottle of protein powder."
Svino
10-04-2015, 08:12 PM
Can we talk about those shots to the back of the head as Herb was coming in to wave it off?
Yeah, but this happens all the time with flurries at the end of fights, where a couple stray shots land on the back of the head. I'm happy with MMA's cultural tendency to overlook it if it's not egregious.
Svino
10-04-2015, 08:20 PM
57 seconds. I guess he's not just hype after all.
Looks like Trevino did the worst thing you can do against a karate guy: slip and fall putting your head at board-break level.
Looks like Trevino did the worst thing you can do against a karate guy: slip and fall putting your head at board-break level.
He also slammed into the mat chin-first and rocked himself.
Yeah, but this happens all the time with flurries at the end of fights, where a couple stray shots land on the back of the head. I'm happy with MMA's cultural tendency to overlook it if it's not egregious.
Can you imagine how many DQs there would be if every time one or two punches to the back of the head landed during a finish was punished?
Any change Trevino doesn't get cut after being a little bitch about the stoppage and pushing Herb Dean?
The thing is, in addition to all Sage's other accomplishments, I bet he's got a big dick too.
Any change Trevino doesn't get cut after being a little bitch about the stoppage and pushing Herb Dean?
Missed weight by 4 pounds too. Unlikely.
The thing is, in addition to all Sage's other accomplishments, I bet he's got a big dick too.
Looks that way. Apparently he's majoring in Petroleum Engineering at A&M, too, so it's not like he's an airhead, either. Fuckin guy.
Mr. IWS
10-05-2015, 09:27 AM
Missed weight by 4 pounds too. Unlikely.
Looks that way. Apparently he's majoring in Petroleum Engineering at A&M, too, so it's not like he's an airhead, either. Fuckin guy.
Isnt Petroeum Engineering a fancy way of saying hes a gas station attendant?
Missed weight by 4 pounds too. Unlikely.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that. My understanding is that he's made some pretty retarded comments about other fighters, too.
Fuck it. That guy's done.
Looks that way. Apparently he's majoring in Petroleum Engineering at A&M, too, so it's not like he's an airhead, either. Fuckin guy.
Jesus. He's one of those guys who's just been a winner since birth.
Ripped since he was like 5. Got like a million karate titles. Good looking enough to get just about any girl he wants. Now, at 19, he's in the UFC and just destroyed his first opponent.
Has anything bad ever happened to this guy?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQggCGyU8AAfrcd.jpg
Isnt Petroeum Engineering a fancy way of saying hes a gas station attendant?
It means he's going to make Vaseline for a living.
https://i.imgur.com/fIvBFfm.jpg
Mr. IWS
10-05-2015, 06:26 PM
I saw some guy on twitter ask Sage if he could buy a signed copy of the UFC script.
Shit had me weak!
What I want to know is. . . Where did he find the time?
https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/11849947_1651513491790611_1866285660_n.jpg
Mr. IWS
10-05-2015, 06:55 PM
That cant be all his. Can it?
That's exactly what I'm wondering. Maybe some of it is his bro's and sis's. They also are all into the sport karate thing.
Apparently he traveled all over the world winning tournaments.
I bet he somehow managed to make straight As in the process.
Mr. IWS
10-06-2015, 09:18 AM
Over/under on when this kid fixes the national deficit?
Apparently this is his girlfriend:
http://i.imgur.com/8kOasuj.jpg
Mr. IWS
10-06-2015, 11:55 AM
Dam! this dude winning in all aspects of life lol
This is his older sister, Colbey Northcutt.
http://images.tapology.com/letterbox_images/47883/default/Colbey-Northcutt.jpg
https://instagram.com/p/8W4qWhqGuQ/?taken-by=supersagenorthcutt
http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Colbey-Northcutt-115403
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQuueLize0A
X gon lose his mind.
Dam! this dude winning in all aspects of life lol
Goddamn
She looks like a Jezebel who was sent here to tempt Sage onto the path of darkness.
Real talk though, way too much head room in that pic. Does whoever took it even photography, bro?
This is his older sister, Colbey Northcutt.
http://images.tapology.com/letterbox_images/47883/default/Colbey-Northcutt.jpg
https://instagram.com/p/8W4qWhqGuQ/?taken-by=supersagenorthcutt
http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Colbey-Northcutt-115403
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQuueLize0A
X gon lose his mind.
I knew about Colby because someone on SD posted a video of her participating in a kata competition at one of her karate tournaments. I had never seen her fight. Looks like she has a lot of refinements to make, but then again, it's only her first match.
And goddamn, six feet? What's going on with this family?
Svino
10-07-2015, 12:26 PM
Watch him kill a bunch of imaginary dudes with his kamas:
https://youtu.be/sdeZ6LfP46I
(from Bloody Elbow)
Damn, his movement there is insane.
I never did get involved with the whole "sport karate" thing when I was younger. Sometimes I wish I did, because it looks like fun. But other times it just sort of looks ridiculous and I learn hard toward a more traditional approach.
I believe I can win the title, so that's my new plan.
-- Sage Northcutt on UFC Tonight
Fuck yeah, Sage NorthGOAT has the biggest thread on the first page!
Mr. IWS
10-08-2015, 08:52 AM
I wanna see him fight some hard, pipe hitting nigga.
I wanna see him fight some hard, pipe hitting nigga.
To go to work on him with a pair of pliers, and a blow torch.
Mr. IWS
10-08-2015, 03:20 PM
To go to work on him with a pair of pliers, and a blow torch.
exactly
aka Matt Brown
Wrong weight class, faggot.
Haha. touche. Isn't there a LW Matt Brown?
I dunno, but seriously, if Sage is going to fight at WW it has to be against Thomspon. Would love to see that fight.
Haha. touche. Isn't there a LW Matt Brown?
Donald Cerrone, except Cerrone is a bit more technically sound.
I dunno, but seriously, if Sage is going to fight at WW it has to be against Thomspon. Would love to see that fight.
Fuck that shit. I want to see him fight Condit at welterweight.
Fuck that shit. I want to see him fight Condit at welterweight.
But then we don't get a karate extravaganza.
But then we don't get a karate extravaganza.
Go watch Best of the Best if you want that.
Go watch Best of the Best if you want that.
Or . . . we could get Northcutt vs Thompson.
Though watching Best of the Best is not a bad idea. I love that movie.
"Tommy, no!!! Coach! COACH! HE'S GONNA KILL HIM!"
Or . . . we could get Northcutt vs Thompson.
Though watching Best of the Best is not a bad idea. I love that movie.
"Tommy, no!!! Coach! COACH! HE'S GONNA KILL HIM!"
Northcutt's never going to be champion. Though I wouldn't mind seeing Pettis wheel kick him into next week as a comeback fight. Make it happen, Dana.
Northcutt's never going to be champion. Though I wouldn't mind seeing Pettis wheel kick him into next week as a comeback fight. Make it happen, Dana.
Is this real talk?
He is literally a kid. 19 years old. I think he stands a very good shot at being champ one day. Look at Robbie Lawler.
Is this real talk?
He is literally a kid. 19 years old. I think he stands a very good shot at being champ one day. Look at Robbie Lawler.
It was a troll job, but half rooted in truth. How many times have we seen an above average kickboxer(or in this case a karateka) make the move to MMA and never hold a meaningful title? It's great that everyone is getting their nut by running away on another hype train, but let's take a moment to look at who's footsteps he's following in:
Michael Page
Cyrille Diabate
Allistair Overeem
Mirko Cro Cop
Pat Barry
Mark Hunt
Antoni Hardonk
Dennis Siver
Cung Le
Melvin Manhoef
Semmy Schilt
Bob Sapp
Stephen Thomson
Donald Cerrone
Now granted, some of those may pan out(Cerrone), but by and large they've mostly flopped in mma. There's just too much more to the game.
It was a troll job, but half rooted in truth. How many times have we seen an above average kickboxer(or in this case a karateka) make the move to MMA and never hold a meaningful title? It's great that everyone is getting their nut by running away on another hype train, but let's take a moment to look at who's footsteps he's following in:
Michael Page
Cyrille Diabate
Allistair Overeem
Mirko Cro Cop
Pat Barry
Mark Hunt
Antoni Hardonk
Dennis Siver
Cung Le
Melvin Manhoef
Semmy Schilt
Bob Sapp
Stephen Thomson
Donald Cerrone
Now granted, some of those may pan out(Cerrone), but by and large they've mostly flopped in mma. There's just too much more to the game.
You're killing me, man. "Mostly flopped in MMA?" Why, because they didn't become champ? Nearly everyone you have mentioned has carved out a very respectable career in MMA. The fuck are you even saying here? I literally can't believe this list you put together. Did someone hack your account?
I love how it starts with Michael Page who is 8-0 with three Bellator wins. And Overeem, Cropcop, Hunt, Siver, Cung Le, Menhoef, Thompson? Is THIS also a troll job?
You're killing me, man. "Mostly flopped in MMA?" Why, because they didn't become champ? Nearly everyone you have mentioned has carved out a very respectable career in MMA. The fuck are you even saying here? I literally can't believe this list you put together. Did someone hack your account?
I love how it starts with Michael Page who is 8-0 with three Bellator wins. And Overeem, Cropcop, Hunt, Siver, Cung Le, Menhoef, Thompson? Is THIS also a troll job?
You consider Manhoef, Siver, and Hunt to be largely successful in mma? Are you having a stroke? Should we call the amber lamps? Manhoef's single greatest achievement in the sport is the time he knocked out Sakuraba about 6 years past Saku's prime. Hunt's career wasn't even a fucking footnote until he was able to go 5-3-1 and bring his career to 10-10-1 all time. Dennis Siver popped for banned substances enroute to a 10-5-1 ufc career in which his best win was over a hype train from australia.
The context of the conversation was that he'd never be champion. And thus, in that context, yes to not win gold in a solid organization would qualify as "flopping". He looked great against a 33 year old with 13 fights prior to that, who coincidentally showed up 4lbs over weight, but we should really reign in the fellatio until he beats someone who doesn't qualify as a wikipedia red name. What do you say?
Jesus Christ, the guy beats a dented can and X is saying he'll be champ someday. Lets see him fight someone with a heart beat first.
Or . . . we could get Northcutt vs Thompson.
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They arent even in the same weight class, man
You consider Manhoef, Siver, and Hunt to be largely successful in mma? Are you having a stroke? Should we call the amber lamps? Manhoef's single greatest achievement in the sport is the time he knocked out Sakuraba about 6 years past Saku's prime. Hunt's career wasn't even a fucking footnote until he was able to go 5-3-1 and bring his career to 10-10-1 all time. Dennis Siver popped for banned substances enroute to a 10-5-1 ufc career in which his best win was over a hype train from australia.
The context of the conversation was that he'd never be champion. And thus, in that context, yes to not win gold in a solid organization would qualify as "flopping". He looked great against a 33 year old with 13 fights prior to that, who coincidentally showed up 4lbs over weight, but we should really reign in the fellatio until he beats someone who doesn't qualify as a wikipedia red name. What do you say?
My point is this, almost no fighters will ever be champ. You can't say "mostly flopped in MMA" just because they didn't get a belt, even within the context of the conversation. That wording is just all wrong.
You're right that Manhoef's chin sucks, but he has still managed to carve out a really nice career for himself. And yes, I consider Siver a really solid fighter. No, he doesn't win 'em all, but he's still been in the UFC for 8 (!!!) years! That is a successful mixed martial artist. Crocop? Fucking legend. Cerrone? Always mere feet away from a belt. Cung Le actually was SF champ for a little while. So on and so forth.
If you're point is that a lot of hotshot kickboxers have come into MMA and failed to win titles, fine, but don't act like most of those guys you listed haven't done really well for themselves in the sport.
Jesus Christ, the guy beats a dented can and X is saying he'll be champ someday. Lets see him fight someone with a heart beat first.
Trevino was 12-1. Did he need to be undefeated for you to give him some respect?
And I'm not saying he WILL be champ. I'm saying he VERY WELL COULD BE champ. He has all the tools. He's a karate champion. He wrestled in college. He's fast as fuck. He's only 19 and has a TON of time to improve. And he's really good looking.
I don't see any reason to not at least consider him a prospective title holder one day.
They arent even in the same weight class, man
Please read the whole thread for context.
VinceArch
10-18-2015, 11:30 PM
Jesus Christ, the guy beats a dented can and X is saying he'll be champ someday. Lets see him fight someone with a heart beat first.
This is how I see it.
This is how I see it.
Vince, I thought you abandoned us. . .
edman5555
10-24-2015, 05:16 PM
Lyoto Machida and Georges st Pierre. Both karate fighters.
edman5555
10-24-2015, 05:18 PM
Also, Stephen Thompson is really good. Sage Northcutt has a better chance than most of becoming champion.
Lyoto Machida and Georges st Pierre. Both karate fighters.
And it wasn't GSP's karate base that led him to greatness.
Also, Stephen Thompson is really good. Sage Northcutt has a better chance than most of becoming champion.
Not in that division. 155lbs is a fucking shark tank.
Not in that division. 155lbs is a fucking shark tank.
It is but I still think Sage has a good chance of taking the belt one day. He already looks beastly and he still has MANY years to improve.
It is but I still think Sage has a good chance of taking the belt one day. He already looks beastly and he still has MANY years to improve.
He does, but historically being talented isn't necessarily enough in that division. You need a modicum of luck, also. Plenty of guys who were championship caliber never won the title for one reason or another at 155.
He does, but historically being talented isn't necessarily enough in that division. You need a modicum of luck, also. Plenty of guys who were championship caliber never won the title for one reason or another at 155.
Sure, but that's all part of speculating about prospects. Obviously no one knows what's going to happen. But you identify those young bucks who seem to have the raw tools to become something special. I think Sage is among the leaders of that pack.
In fact, you have talked a lot about championship hopes are misplaced with him. My question for you then is who do you have in front of him? What other prospects do you have your eye on?
edman5555
10-27-2015, 09:02 PM
And it wasn't GSP's karate base that led him to greatness.
He credits his karate base for his success.
Mr. IWS
10-28-2015, 09:20 AM
He credits his karate base for his success.
He may say that publicly, but his wrestling ability is what made him a champion.
He may say that publicly, but his wrestling ability is what made him a champion.
On the JRE he said it was his karate that allowed him to get in on opponents:
That's what I use for my takedown, the shoot, that people see, it's zero wrestling. It has nothing to do with my wrestling. My wrestling is once I get that leg, I'll finish the takedown. But how I get in and out is because of karate.
People are like, ‘no way, Karate, no.' And I'm like, 'yes.' Karate allows me to cut the distance and take the people down. I have a very good single, a very good double and very good penetration. It's because of my leg, the way I do it, and the timing is because of my karate. I wrestle, too, but my karate is primary. Before I started wrestling, I was a karate guy pure.
Mr. IWS
10-28-2015, 04:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdtKbq3Omkw
Sure, but that's all part of speculating about prospects. Obviously no one knows what's going to happen. But you identify those young bucks who seem to have the raw tools to become something special. I think Sage is among the leaders of that pack.
In fact, you have talked a lot about championship hopes are misplaced with him. My question for you then is who do you have in front of him? What other prospects do you have your eye on?
Dustin Poirier, Joseph Duffy, Beniel Dariush, Possibly Al Iaquinta.
Dustin Poirier, Joseph Duffy, Beniel Dariush, Possibly Al Iaquinta.
I don't really think of people with 7+ UFC fights as prospects. Especially Poirier, Jesus, he's been under the Zuffa banner for 5 years already!
I don't really think of people with 7+ UFC fights as prospects. Especially Poirier, Jesus, he's been under the Zuffa banner for 5 years already!
But only one as a lightweight.
But only one as a lightweight.
I don't know that that's like pushing the reset button on his career though. In any case, I am more talking guys in the UFC who have like 3 or fewer fights . . . or maybe even guys you know about that aren't even in the UFC yet.
edman5555
10-30-2015, 11:56 PM
On the JRE he said it was his karate that allowed him to get in on opponents:
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Correct
I don't know that that's like pushing the reset button on his career though. In any case, I am more talking guys in the UFC who have like 3 or fewer fights . . . or maybe even guys you know about that aren't even in the UFC yet.
In that case:
Will Brooks
Michael Chandler
David Rickels
Dave Jansen
Lowen Tynanes
Koji Ando
Also, Poirier is only 26. I don't know that I would rule him out just because he's been busy. Kind of like Stefan Struve. He may be a veteran by definition of cage time in the UFC, but the kid is still learning shit every day, and still improving every fight.
I agree Northcutt is a legit prospect, but to Ludo's point you can't count out guys making incremental improvements.
Look at RDA, a low-key middling almost-journeyman fighter who quietly improves fight-to-fight until one day he kicks Ben Henderson's head off and you say oh shit this dude is a badass all of a sudden. Then he bends Nate Diaz over, pulls his pants down, and literally fucks him in the ass in the middle of the cage. He follows this up by inserting his big, brown, Brazilian monkey wrench all up into Pretty Tony Pettis' Wheaties box and crushes his perceived long championship reign.
I agree Northcutt is a legit prospect, but to Ludo's point you can't count out guys making incremental improvements.
Look at RDA, a low-key middling almost-journeyman fighter who quietly improves fight-to-fight until one day he kicks Ben Henderson's head off and you say oh shit this dude is a badass all of a sudden. Then he bends Nate Diaz over, pulls his pants down, and literally fucks him in the ass in the middle of the cage. He follows this up by inserting his big, brown, Brazilian monkey wrench all up into Pretty Tony Pettis' Wheaties box and crushes his perceived long championship reign.
Or Robbie Lawler. Most people thought his career was done, now he's making the "new breed"s faces literally explode.
I agree Northcutt is a legit prospect, but to Ludo's point you can't count out guys making incremental improvements.
I'm not counting them out. I'm just saying if we're having a conversation about "prospects" then guys like that don't qualify. Northcutt is a prospect. Michael Page is still a prospect. I'm talking about guys who are still relatively new to the sport, not guys who have been fighting for years.
Ludo put Michael fucking Chandler on his revised list. Michael Chandler is 29, has 16 pro fights and is a former champion in a major organization. That is not a prospect. He's a guy who may very well have already passed the mid-point of his career.
And obviously it's not that those can't can do some serious shit over the next handful of years, it's just not the conversation that we're having.
Sage with Hughes. Hughes looks old.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CS1hNSOU8AAzNFa.jpg
I'm not counting them out. I'm just saying if we're having a conversation about "prospects" then guys like that don't qualify. Northcutt is a prospect. Michael Page is still a prospect. I'm talking about guys who are still relatively new to the sport, not guys who have been fighting for years.
Ludo put Michael fucking Chandler on his revised list. Michael Chandler is 29, has 16 pro fights and is a former champion in a major organization. That is not a prospect. He's a guy who may very well have already passed the mid-point of his career.
And obviously it's not that those can't can do some serious shit over the next handful of years, it's just not the conversation that we're having.
You specified lightweight prospect, then changed the rules to guys who had <5 fights in the UFC, or had never fought in the UFC. Chandler is still very much a prospect, because while he has 16 fights who the fuck has he fought other than a washed up Ghono, Alvarez, and other exciting young fighters?
Can we put this nonsense to bed now?
But for real, he's 19 and new to the sport and still pretty raw. He got taken down almost immediately, which was kind of surprising, but I think that was just lack of experience. What concerns me more is the way he barely looked like he knew what he was doing off his back. He was trying to shrimp out and shit, but he wasn't doing a very good job of it and who knows how long he'd have been down there if the ref hadn't stood them up. Would he have been down there all round?
In any case, once he got back to his feet he went into beast mode and finished the fight soon after. So don't act like he lost or even like it ended up being some close decision.
But for real, he's 19 and new to the sport and still pretty raw. He got taken down almost immediately, which was kind of surprising, but I think that was just lack of experience. What concerns me more is the way he barely looked like he knew what he was doing off his back. He was trying to shrimp out and shit, but he wasn't doing a very good job of it and who knows how long he'd have been down there if the ref hadn't stood them up. Would he have been down there all round?
In any case, once he got back to his feet he went into beast mode and finished the fight soon after. So don't act like he lost or even like it ended up being some close decision.
Yeah but he got taken down and controlled for nearly a whole round by Cody fucking Pfister.
Yeah but he got taken down and controlled for nearly a whole round by Cody fucking Pfister.
So you're not going to give him any credit for righting the ship? Or taking Cody down with ease? Or getting a second round sub?
Why do you hate Sage?
He did look clueless on the ground, and that was a terrible standup by the ref. But he certainly beasted after that. They need to keep giving him guys like Pfister for awhile, there is no rush, or you'll get what happened to Paige.
He did look clueless on the ground, and that was a terrible standup by the ref. But he certainly beasted after that. They need to keep giving him guys like Pfister for awhile, there is no rush, or you'll get what happened to Paige.
Pretty much this. He's literally just a kid and he's very new to the sport. Give him time and let him develop slowly. Maybe in four or five years from now he'll be ready to challenge for the title but there's no reason to rush it.
How long did it take for RDA to get his title shot? 8 fucking years! Can you believe that?
SPX, what's your opinion on "Sage is on roids" rumors?
I kind of believe them considering he looks that way at only 19 and he dad use to sell roids
So you're not going to give him any credit for righting the ship? Or taking Cody down with ease? Or getting a second round sub?
Why do you hate Sage?
I don't hate the guy. I'm just tired of everyone creaming their underoo's when he starches some wikipedia red name who was hand picked for him to destroy. Now that he has shown to have a massive hole in his game we can all come back down to earth where he's concerned, and stop pretending he's the second coming of no holds barred christ.
SPX, what's your opinion on "Sage is on roids" rumors?
I kind of believe them considering he looks that way at only 19 and he dad use to sell roids
It's a possibility. He definitely looks beyond human. Then again, he has also been training with an insane level of dedication since he was 0 and was raised from birth to be a fighting machine.
But I think there's probably little-to-no doubt that he's not going out and getting the stuff himself, so it comes down to whether or not you think his dad would actually feed his teenage son steroids. I find it a bit far fetched, especially considering all the church-going Jesus stuff we get out of Sage, but fuck who knows.
Your thoughts?
I don't hate the guy. I'm just tired of everyone creaming their underoo's when he starches some wikipedia red name who was hand picked for him to destroy. Now that he has shown to have a massive hole in his game we can all come back down to earth where he's concerned, and stop pretending he's the second coming of no holds barred christ.
First off, props for No Holds Barred Christ. I love it.
Second, I understand what you're saying, but I don't think anyone believes he's going to go be champ TOMORROW. I think all the pro-Sage stuff is 50% legitimate excitement about an interesting new prospect/character to populate the LW division and 50% tongue-in-cheek joking around and having fun.
First off, props for No Holds Barred Christ. I love it.
Second, I understand what you're saying, but I don't think anyone believes he's going to go be champ TOMORROW. I think all the pro-Sage stuff is 50% legitimate excitement about an interesting new prospect/character to populate the LW division and 50% tongue-in-cheek joking around and having fun.
BOL thanks
I get the excitement for an up and coming young fighter who's ceiling, at first glance, seems incredibly high. But the way people have been acting toward Sage smacks of familiarity with the way people overreacted to McGregor, Makwan Amirkwani, and, to some extent, Khabib Nurmagomedov. Some scummy fuck just decided one day to pretend any and all of the above are the best at everything, not only in their own division, but in the entire sport. You've seen Sherdog. Some fans say shit like "McGregor is the best striker in all of MMA", and it's pretty infuriating to see otherwise semi-rational people going full retard because some guy with an accent moves around all funny and spent most of his UFC career knocking out tailor made matchups.
I do think Sage has a promising career ahead of him(so long as this steroid thing doesn't end up being true). I don't think he'll ever be champion at 155lbs. That division is just chock full of guys who do it all, and we have seen wrestlers be hella-bad on their backs. Then agan he's got plenty of time before he hits his prime(assuming his career doesn't get derailed ala Scotty Jorgensen, or Josh Grispi or Ryan Couture). He REALLY needs to work on escaping bottom position, or mounting an offense from bottom position, anything to do with bottom position, really. Because he's going to get taken down at 155lbs, alot by the looks of it.
It's hard not to admire his excited-about-everything attitude. As young and naive as he may be, his zest for life is quite charming.
It's hard not to admire his excited-about-everything attitude. As young and naive as he may be, his zest for life is quite charming.
I use to be like that when I was high or drunk
It's a possibility. He definitely looks beyond human. Then again, he has also been training with an insane level of dedication since he was 0 and was raised from birth to be a fighting machine.
But I think there's probably little-to-no doubt that he's not going out and getting the stuff himself, so it comes down to whether or not you think his dad would actually feed his teenage son steroids. I find it a bit far fetched, especially considering all the church-going Jesus stuff we get out of Sage, but fuck who knows.
Your thoughts?
No clue. Just asking. I don't convict people that easily . Tyson looked like that at 19 and I have no doubt he wasn't on roids, so its possible....if you eat right every single day and work out religiously
I do think Sage has a promising career ahead of him(so long as this steroid thing doesn't end up being true). I don't think he'll ever be champion at 155lbs. That division is just chock full of guys who do it all, and we have seen wrestlers be hella-bad on their backs. Then agan he's got plenty of time before he hits his prime(assuming his career doesn't get derailed ala Scotty Jorgensen, or Josh Grispi or Ryan Couture). He REALLY needs to work on escaping bottom position, or mounting an offense from bottom position, anything to do with bottom position, really. Because he's going to get taken down at 155lbs, alot by the looks of it.
First off, imagine the shitstorm that will go down if Sage tests positive. Considering his age, his background, and his dad's previous ties to PEDs, it would be way more of a big deal than your average fighter getting popped.
You mention Jorgensen, Grispi, etc. It's amazing how fighters just kind of seem to suddenly lose the magic. Grispi was 14-1 and then lost four straight and has basically disappeared. Or look at someone like Steve Cantwell. He was 6-1 coming into the UFC and was the WEC LHW champ. He beats Razak Al-Hassan and then promptly loses five straight fights, gets released from the UFC and has not competed in MMA since.
I really hope Sage does not end up being one of those guys.
No clue. Just asking. I don't convict people that easily . Tyson looked like that at 19 and I have no doubt he wasn't on roids, so its possible....if you eat right every single day and work out religiously
There are clearly a small handful of people with next-level genetics who are able to train naturally and look better than other guys do who are on steroids. This usually manifests itself at a young age. A lot of the top bodybuilders who look like total freaks on PEDs already had really good physiques in their teens.
First off, imagine the shitstorm that will go down if Sage tests positive. Considering his age, his background, and his dad's previous ties to PEDs, it would be way more of a big deal than your average fighter getting popped.
You mention Jorgensen, Grispi, etc. It's amazing how fighters just kind of seem to suddenly lose the magic. Grispi was 14-1 and then lost four straight and has basically disappeared. Or look at someone like Steve Cantwell. He was 6-1 coming into the UFC and was the WEC LHW champ. He beats Razak Al-Hassan and then promptly loses five straight fights, gets released from the UFC and has not competed in MMA since.
I really hope Sage does not end up being one of those guys.
The problem is alot of times they rush these guys to the big time(by big time I mean a number one contender fight, or top 5 guy before they're ready), or they give them a "squash match" to keep them busy until another step up is available, and they lose that fight. It's a confidence shattering thing, I think. The way Grispi got his ass kicked by someone nobody knew in Poirier, or the way they fast tracked Jorgensen to the title, where he was summarily demolished by Cruz, etc etc etc. Hopefully they bring Sage along slow ala Jacare. Give him time to develop into a real contender who isn't going to lose his fucking mind after a derailing loss.
The problem is alot of times they rush these guys to the big time(by big time I mean a number one contender fight, or top 5 guy before they're ready), or they give them a "squash match" to keep them busy until another step up is available, and they lose that fight. It's a confidence shattering thing, I think. The way Grispi got his ass kicked by someone nobody knew in Poirier, or the way they fast tracked Jorgensen to the title, where he was summarily demolished by Cruz, etc etc etc. Hopefully they bring Sage along slow ala Jacare. Give him time to develop into a real contender who isn't going to lose his fucking mind after a derailing loss.
I agree with that. I mentioned earlier that it took RDA eight years to get a title shot. Eight years! And we just saw him slowly develop as a fighter over that time. He went from being uppercutted into bolivion by Stephens and losing 30-27 to Tyson Griffin to lightweight champion. Pretty crazy.
If they give Sage time to really develop then maybe he'll be ready for a title shot in . . . I dunno, maybe four years depending on how active he stays.
And now people can come back down to earth.
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