UFC on Versus 1: Discussion

[Mr. IWS]

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[MMA_scientist]

I already have 2u on Vera and 4u on AJ. I will probably dump 1 more on AJ soon, I got him at open for -275. I have enough on Aj to cover Vera, but now that I have my underdog project, I will move Vera to that balance sheet.

[SPX]

I got 2u on Jones, 3u on Dos Santos, 3u on AJ.

If the price is right, I'd probably also like to take Matyushenko over Elliot Marshall.

[Mr. IWS]

Kongo / Buentello added.

Me on Kongo = Flys on shit.


A heavyweight bout that could have the octagon rocking is set now that strikers Cheick Kongo (14-6-1 MMA, 7-4 UFC) and Paul Buentello (27-11 MMA, 3-2 UFC) are signed to meet at UFC on Versus 1.

The Versus-televised event is set for March 21 at The Odeum Colorado in Broomfield (near Denver) with a headliner of Jon Jones vs. Brandon Vera.

Kongo and Buentello are part of the night's televised main card.

Buentello, who recently returned to the UFC after a run with rival Strikeforce and Affliction Entertainment, dropped a majority decision to Stefan Struve in December. The closely contested UFC 107 loss snapped the fighter's two-fight win streak, and it was just his second loss in his past eight fights.

Buentello, in fact, is 12-3 since August 2001, and the lone losses came to then-champ Andrei Arlovski, Alistair Overeem (for the vacant Strikeforce heavyweight belt) and Struve.

The former top UFC heavyweight contender now meets Kongo, who was on the verge of a UFC title shot (after three TKO wins over Dan Evensen, Mostapha Al Turk and Antoni Hardonk) before his recent back-to-back losses to Cain Velasquez and Frank Mir. A noted French srtiker, Kongo again was penalized for a lacking ground game when he suffered the submission loss to Mir at UFC 107. Kongo refused to tap and went out cold before the referee halted the bout.

The UFC also today officially announced a preliminary-card previously reported by MMAjunkie.com: Spencer Fisher (23-5 MMA, 8-4 UFC) and Duane "Bang" Ludwig (19-10 MMA, 2-1 UFC). Ludwig is a Colorado native who should be a solid draw for the un-aired portion of the event.

The latest UFC on Versus 1 card now includes:

MAIN CARD

* Jon Jones vs. Brandon Vera
* Junior Dos Santos vs. Gabriel Gonzaga
* Paul Buentello vs. Cheick Kongo
* John Howard vs. Anthony Johnson
* Shannon Gugerty vs. Clay Guida*

PRELIMINARY CARD

* Eliot Marshall vs. Vladimir Matyushenko
* Spencer Fisher vs. Duane "Bang" Ludwig
* James Irvin vs. Alessio Sakara*
* Chase Gormley vs. Brendan Schaub*

http://mmajunkie.com/news/17597/cheick- ... rsus-1.mma (http://mmajunkie.com/news/17597/cheick-kongo-vs-paul-buentello-set-for-march-21-at-ufc-on-versus-1.mma)

[SPX]

This is shaping up to be a card that I'm going to have a lot of money on.

[poopoo333]

I will be taking Vera, Kongo, and AJ

[Mr. IWS]

I will be taking Vera, Kongo, and AJ

Welcome to the forum man. GL on the picks!

[Luke]

Johnson out



A welterweight grudge match between Anthony Johnson (8-3 MMA, 5-3 UFC) and John Howard (13-4 MMA, 3-0 UFC) has been put on indefinite hold as "Rumble" was forced to bow out of the contest due to a knee injury

[zY|]

LOL nice.

Now Howard is gonna say how AJ was ducking him too. If they finally do fight the shit talking should be rather delicious.

[SPX]

Well goddamn it! We can just start taking all these announced match-ups with a grain of salt.

Seems that Brock Lesnar set the pace when he got sick and just has just been all fucked up ever since with no end in sight. Will we ever return to normalcy? Now if the fight ever goes down then there's no way I'm going to get the -265 I got this time around. Fucking criminal.

[Mr. IWS]

Johnson out



A welterweight grudge match between Anthony Johnson (8-3 MMA, 5-3 UFC) and John Howard (13-4 MMA, 3-0 UFC) has been put on indefinite hold as "Rumble" was forced to bow out of the contest due to a knee injury


LOL @ the irony of that.

[Luke]

UFC newcomer Daniel Roberts replaces injured Anthony Johnson at UFC on Versus 1

Undefeated Ultimate Fighting Champion newcomer Daniel Roberts has signed a four-fight deal with the organization and replaces an injured Anthony Johnson at next month's on UFC on Versus 1 event.


anyone know anything about this guy?

[Mr. IWS]

I looked him up on sherdog, this was his pic:

http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/blank_fighter.jpg

[SPX]

I looked him up on sherdog, this was his pic:

http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/blank_fighter.jpg

You got a laugh out of me with this one.

[zY|]

I looked him up on sherdog, this was his pic:

http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/blank_fighter.jpg

Good work, detective.

Here's what I found on Google.

http://www.jupiterbands.com/Dan%20Roberts.jpg

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~moacc/longbranch/section1/140_daniel_roberts.jpg

Doesn't look too promising.

[Luke]

I looked him up on sherdog, this was his pic:

http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/blank_fighter.jpg


from the picture he looks gray . so does that mean he's half black -half white?

[Luke]

[quote="IWS Zak":7makgvky]I looked him up on sherdog, this was his pic:

http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/fightfinder/Pictures/blank_fighter.jpg

Good work, detective.

Here's what I found on Google.

http://www.jupiterbands.com/Dan%20Roberts.jpg

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~moacc/longbranch/section1/140_daniel_roberts.jpg

Doesn't look too promising.[/quote:7makgvky]

LOL

[poopoo333]

Kongo just opened at -225 on sportsbook. I hope I can get those odds when bodog opens up.

What are your guys thoughts on Uno/Tibau?

[zY|]

Both primarily grapplers. Uno is probably more skilled but Tibau is huge. I can't call it.

[Mr. IWS]

I love Kongo at that price (no homo). I will be on him (again, no homo)

[zY|]

I'm thinking more and more of taking Vera. Somebody talk me out of it.

[poopoo333]

I'm thinking more and more of taking Vera. Somebody talk me out of it.

I can't. I am taking Vera for .5 unit.

Scientist has a great breakdown on this fight in his blog, and I have watched Vera and Jones' fights and it was a pretty accurate breakdown. I honestly think Vera is going to be able to chop away with leg kicks. Jones seemed to be very open to leg kicks in his fight with Andre Gusmao actually.

[MMA_scientist]

I'm thinking more and more of taking Vera. Somebody talk me out of it.

I have 2u on Vera @ +210

[MMA_scientist]

I'm thinking more and more of taking Vera. Somebody talk me out of it.

I can't. I am taking Vera for .5 unit.

Scientist has a great breakdown on this fight in his blog, and I have watched Vera and Jones' fights and it was a pretty accurate breakdown.

Thanks for plug!

quote of my breakdown:

As per my rule, I only bet the underdogs when I actually think they will win the fight. I know the Jon Jones hype train is off the tracks right now, which is why we can get this price on Vera.

Vera has not looked too sharp since coming down in weight, but in my opinion, his only real legit loss was to Werdum. He beat Randy, IMO. The Jardine fight could have went either way. He broke his hand in the first minute of the Sylvia fight. I don't recall him every really being hurt in a fight.

Vera is basically custom-built to beat Jones. Witness:

Exhibit A:

Jones likes to stand out at kicking range, and leap in with his freakishly long arms to attack. The almost-as-fast Vera is one of the best kickers in the division. Jones is gonna get battered by kicks at range. While he is quick with his punches, Jones hasn't really shown a lot of power. Vera does have power in his kicks and knees. Vera is also more disciplined and technical in his strikes. With all of that backing out and coming back in to attack, this is going to give Vera a lot of chances to land his knees and kicks. I would put thier hands at about even, but Jones has never faced a muy thai striker, and Vera might clinch him up when he comes in, then wail on him when he tries to back out. I think he will win the standup.

Exhibit B:

Jones likes to use his greco skills to hit awesome looking throws. Vera also has a greco background, A D1 wrestler at Old Dominion and Air Force, then working out for the Olympic trials in Greco. He has faced stiffer competition and at a heavier weight. Jones will not be throwing Vera.

Exhibit C:

Vera is very hard to take down. Couture leaned on him for 3 rounds and couldn't really corral him. Even if you get him down, he has show a good guard, and good ability to stand up. He is a Lloyd Irvin Blackbelt in BJJ. He will not be getting ground and pounded. He will not be getting submitted.


All told Jones has to beat Vera at Vera's game. I think Vera will win. This fight is a long way off and I fully admit I have no idea what the odds will do. But if you click the odds above you can see a history, and it has already come down from +215. I am shooting for full disclosure on my bets. When I make the bet, I post it.

2 units on Vera @ +210 "

[poopoo333]

Scientist, are you going to update your blog tonight? I like reading your thoughts on fights, and with all of these opening lines coming out tonight I would like some input.

[zY|]

Good read, Scientist. I forget you have a blog.

I agree, Vera is a very solid fighter in all areas, who only seems to fight up to his competition. I don't even consider the Werdum loss to be legit. It was a terrible stoppage, with Vera taking minimal damage and the round was about to end. Dumb.

[Luke]

No way would I ever put money down on Vera unless he was fighting a complete bum,he so inconsistent . I think Jones is going to destroy Vera . Vera got muscled around by Couture what do you think Jones is going to do?
Jones isnt just going to stand there and let Vera strike him which is the only way i think Vera can win

[Luke]

I love Kongo at that price (no homo). I will be on him (again, no homo)



Upto -260 already

[SPX]

I agree with you, Luke.

Vera is good, but Jones is the future. He's still green and I do think his inexperience may cost him a W, but in terms of pure skill I think he's already surpassed Vera. I jumped on Jones for 2u @ -200.

[zY|]

Jones has passed Vera in terms of pure skill? Crack kills, my friend.

[Luke]

I agree with you, Luke.

Vera is good, but Jones is the future. He's still green and I do think his inexperience may cost him a W, but in terms of pure skill I think he's already surpassed Vera. I jumped on Jones for 2u @ -200.


I'll end up betting Jones also ::handshake::

[Thewiseman]

I like Jones also. But im not sure I like the current odds. I think he can take Vera down, but I am worried about Vera picking him apart with kicks. Jones has a big reach too. Jones is my pick, but at -240, not sure yet if I want to pull the trigger.

[Luke]

I love Kongo at that price (no homo). I will be on him (again, no homo)


damn Kongo upto -340 from -225 . I dont think I like it anymore

[Mr. IWS]

damn Kongo upto -340 from -225 . I dont think I like it anymore

My bad on that, I just dropped some serious euros on Kongo.

[MMA_scientist]

Kongo just opened at -225 on sportsbook. I hope I can get those odds when bodog opens up.

What are your guys thoughts on Uno/Tibau?


Sorry, did not see this post until now.

I think Kongo is a lock. @ -225 that was a steal. I will take him even @ -350. I don't see how he loses this fight, great matchup for him stylistically.

I have bets on Roy Nelson and Florian...

I will be bet on Kongo and Maia (though won't recommend that one).

I will probably also bet on Palhares. I think Linhares hs value.

I will definately bet On Koscheck to beat Daley, and maybe Lil Nog to beat Forrest.



You are right, I need to update. I can't keep up with all these fights.

[SPX]

I will definately bet On Koscheck to beat Daley, and maybe Lil Nog to beat Forrest.


No way I'd bet on Koscheck at the current line. In fact, I already have .75u on Daley at +260. The chance that he catches Koscheck and sends him to la-la land is a lot better than the line indicates, especially in Kos tries to stand with him which, though stupid, would not be all that suprising.

[Mr. IWS]

These lulls between events suck!

[SPX]

Completely agree. I hate this shit. There should always be something at least every 2 weeks.

[MMA_scientist]

^^

There are some fights this weekend, Strikeforce Challengers VI. There are some decent bets on the Strikeforce card.

WEC 47 is next weekend. You best pal M Hammersmith breaks it down:

http://www.mmamafia.net/news/featured-m ... tions.html (http://www.mmamafia.net/news/featured-mma/4284-wec-47-breakdown-betting-odds-and-predictions.html)\

[Mr. IWS]

^^

There are some fights this weekend, Strikeforce Challengers VI. There are some decent bets on the Strikeforce card.

WEC 47 is next weekend. You best pal M Hammersmith breaks it down:

http://www.mmamafia.net/news/featured-m ... tions.html (http://www.mmamafia.net/news/featured-mma/4284-wec-47-breakdown-betting-odds-and-predictions.html)\

Didnt he go 0-for 6 on the last UFC?

[MMA_scientist]

[quote="MMA_scientist":35pvjpyu]^^

There are some fights this weekend, Strikeforce Challengers VI. There are some decent bets on the Strikeforce card.

WEC 47 is next weekend. You best pal M Hammersmith breaks it down:

http://www.mmamafia.net/news/featured-m ... tions.html (http://www.mmamafia.net/news/featured-mma/4284-wec-47-breakdown-betting-odds-and-predictions.html)\

Didnt he go 0-for 6 on the last UFC?[/quote:35pvjpyu]

I don't know. I don't even see where he posts his actual plays, just breaks down the fight and sets his lines. He usually does pretty well from what I have seen.

[Mr. IWS]

I saw someone trashing him in his thread after the event, Im pretty sure he went like 0-6/0-7

[Mr. IWS]

I saw someone trashing him in his thread after the event, Im pretty sure he went like 0-6/0-7

He didnt take the donut, but...........

Fantasy Picks: Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira via 3rd round submission (choke) (split scoring) or decision (straight)
Fantasy Picks: Wanderlei Silva via 1st round TKO.
Fantasy Picks: Keith Jardine via 3rd round TKO (split scoring) or 2nd round TKO (straight scoring).
Fantasy Picks: Joe Stevenson via Decision
Fantasy Picks: Krzysztof Soszynski via Decision.
Fantasy Picks: James Te-Huna via 1st round TKO
Fantasy Picks: Goran Reljic via 1st round submission (choke)
Fantasy Picks: Brian Foster via 3rd round TKO (split scoring) or decision (straight scoring)

[Mr. IWS]

Its still kind of funny, how he told SPX he doesnt understand MMA. LOL

ttt

[MMA_scientist]

^^
In his defense, fantasy picks are totally different than bets. He picked all the same people I picked, with the exceptions of Noguiera and Jardine.

I saw that thread where he and SPX were in an e-fight... that is why I said "your best pal"...

He spontaneously plugged my blog though, so he is ok in my book.

[zY|]

What does he mean by split and straight scoring?

[Mr. IWS]

What does he mean by split and straight scoring?

No idea. Im curious though.

[MMA_scientist]

I don't even see what you guys are talking about. Where do you see that?

[Mr. IWS]

Fantasy Picks: Keith Jardine via 3rd round TKO (split scoring) or 2nd round TKO (straight scoring).

[MMA_scientist]

[quote="IWS Zak":3lyk4j75]
Fantasy Picks: Keith Jardine via 3rd round TKO (split scoring) or 2nd round TKO (straight scoring).
[/quote:3lyk4j75]


Oh. I have never done the fantasy thing, so I have no idea.

[Luke]

Completely agree. I hate this shit. There should always be something at least every 2 weeks.


You guys need to get into boxing .Boxing is on every friday and saturday and capping boxing is a lot like capping MMA

[zY|]

I don't know cock nor balls about boxing though.

[Luke]

I don't know cock nor balls about boxing though.


Well at one time you didnt know about MMA either but you learned .I have bet boxing for 8 years but only MMA for about 2 years ,you got to start somewhere

[MMA_scientist]

Completely agree. I hate this shit. There should always be something at least every 2 weeks.


You guys need to get into boxing .Boxing is on every friday and saturday and capping boxing is a lot like capping MMA


I would love to get into boxing, but I do not think it that much like mma capping. I just don't think I know that much about boxing (enought to beat it long term), though I definately know more than the general public.

I like mma betting because the outcome depends SO MUCH on the styles of the fighters. I really do not think there is any 1 best fighter. Every fighter has a style that can beat them. To be the ultimate MMA fighter, you would have to be teh best wrestler, the best bjj guy, and the best striker in the division. It would be like being world champ at 3 sports.

Boxing I think is more consistent. You can take one guy, and say, he will beat everyone he faces, regardless of style.

In any event, can you beat boxing consistently? I will be happy to coat-tail until I get to know the fighters well enough.

[MMA_scientist]

I don't know cock nor balls about boxing though.

lmao. seconded.

[Luke]

Completely agree. I hate this shit. There should always be something at least every 2 weeks.


You guys need to get into boxing .Boxing is on every friday and saturday and capping boxing is a lot like capping MMA


I would love to get into boxing, but I do not think it that much like mma capping. I just don't think I know that much about boxing (enought to beat it long term), though I definately know more than the general public.

I like mma betting because the outcome depends SO MUCH on the styles of the fighters. I really do not think there is any 1 best fighter. Every fighter has a style that can beat them. To be the ultimate MMA fighter, you would have to be teh best wrestler, the best bjj guy, and the best striker in the division. It would be like being world champ at 3 sports.

Boxing I think is more consistent. You can take one guy, and say, he will beat everyone he faces, regardless of style.

In any event, can you beat boxing consistently? I will be happy to coat-tail until I get to know the fighters well enough.


Boxing is 100% without a doubt easier to win betting than MMA. I won 90% of my boxing bets last year and about 60% of my MMA bets.

In boxing dogs win alot more and are alot easier to pick than in MMA imo.I've won several boxing matches that the odds were +350 .In MMA you rarely see a +350 dog win.

Boxing is just like MMA ,styles make fights. In boxing you can usually get a good line on a fight because "the pubic" thinks it will be a close fight but in reality one fighter has a style that the other fighter has no chance to stop.

Examples

Manny-Cotto. People thought it was going to be close but in reality Cotto fights with no defense and just stops punches with his head .Manny throws so many punches at such a fast pace Cotto stood no chance.
Another one:
Margarito-Mosley. Margarito had just beat Cotto because the style of Cotto was again perfect for Marg. Cotto played no defense so Margarito beat him to death. So when Mosley-Marg fought everyone thought Margarito would win .But in reality Mosley's speed was twice that of Margarito and Mosley easily won as a +350 dog



In MMA any one puch can KO someone because of the small gloves.Most of the time that isnt a issue in boxing. Also in MMA you have to worry about your fighter slipping up and getting caught in a submission at anytime.

Boxing fights are usually one sided and less stressful to watch.Once you fighter wins the first 3 or 12 rounds he usually wins easily .The only thing you have to worry about in boxing is a screw job via the judges scorecards. So dont make a habit of betting against the fighter in his hometown

[Mr. IWS]

I just cant get into boxing anymore,t he way I love MMA.

[Luke]

I just cant get into boxing anymore,t he way I love MMA.

Not me Im the opposite I cant get into MMA like I do boxing. I dont even watch TUF or WEC and even the PPV's I only watch the last 2 or 3 fights unless I betting on them but I watch just about every friday night fights on ESPN and every Saturday card on Showtime or HBO

[Mr. IWS]

FYI, Doomsday is on the undercard now.


After losing his initial opponent due to an injury, John Howard (13-4 MMA, 3-0 UFC) has gone from a main-card bout with fellow contender Anthony Johnson (8-3 MMA, 5-3 UFC) to an un-aired preliminary-card fight with UFC newcomer Daniel Roberts (9-0 MMA, 0-0 UFC) at UFC on Versus 1.

MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com (http://www.mmajunkie.com)) confirmed the bout last week, and UFC officials have since made the welterweight matchup official.

With the fight moved to the March 21 event's preliminary card, only three fights are set for the Versus-televised main card. A source close to the event told MMAjunkie.com a newly booked fight likely will take the vacant spot on the televised portion of the show.

UFC on Versus 1 takes place at the Odeum Colorado in Broomfield (near Denver), and the main card, including a headliner of Jon Jones vs. Brandon Vera, airs live on Versus.

Howard was set to face a rival with Johnson, but he now faces Roberts, a two-and-a-half-year pro who's competed for organizations such as the Extreme Fighting League and Freestyle Cage Fighting. Most recently he defeated Anthony Macias (25-12) at a Jan. 10 5150 Combat League/XFL event. He's also defeated the likes of Strikeforce vet Levi Avera (13-6) and Mike Jackson (8-3) in recent fights.

Howard, a one-time IFL fighter who also competed for the New Jersey-based Ring of Combat promotion, owns a six-fight win streak, and he's a perfect 3-0 in the UFC. In addition to split-decision wins over Chris Wilson and Tamdan McCrory, Howard also recently scored a come-from-behind third-round knockout of Dennis Hallman at The Ultimate Fighter 10 Finale. Howard secured the win with just five seconds remaining in the final round.

[SPX]

Yeah, thanks Rumble. I appreciate you not winning me money.

[MMA_scientist]

You guys need to get into boxing .Boxing is on every friday and saturday and capping boxing is a lot like capping MMA

Boxing is 100% without a doubt easier to win betting than MMA. I won 90% of my boxing bets last year and about 60% of my MMA bets.[/quote]

If I was winning 90% of my bets, all I would be doing is betting. I am on board. I like boxing, I used to watch it more, before MMA.

What book do you use that carries lines for friday night fights? Bookmaker has fewer boxing lines than MMA lines by a lot.

[Luke]

If I was winning 90% of my bets, all I would be doing is betting. I am on board. I like boxing, I used to watch it more, before MMA.

What book do you use that carries lines for friday night fights? Bookmaker has fewer boxing lines than MMA lines by a lot.

Thegreek and 5 dimes have friday night fights and most ever fight thats on saturdays


I just checked and I have bet 18 boxing matches since August 2008 going 14-4 .Thats 78% not 90% that I guessed. That only equals out to about one a month .

Now I bet a few props or a huge underdog sometimes besides those just to make the fights more interesting but I dont track them at all because they are usually 10-30 dollar bets.
I'd bet more boxing if I wasnt the only one that was into boxing here but since everyone here is into MMA I tend to focus on MMA instead of boxing.

Of the 18 bets the average odds were -125 over the 18 plays . The four losses were:-290 ,-131,+200 and -125 juice so even when you loose you didnt get nailed with big juice for the most part (except for the -290)

Now of course if I start betting more fights I'm sure my % would go down but if I can averagge -125 juice thats fine ::handshake::

[MMA_scientist]

I just checked and I have bet 18 boxing matches since August 2008 going 14-4 .Thats 78% not 90% that I guessed. That only equals out to about one a month .

Do you think you could produce thos esame results on lesser known fighters?

like I looked at 5dimes' fights for this weekend, who are these people?

[Luke]

I just checked and I have bet 18 boxing matches since August 2008 going 14-4 .Thats 78% not 90% that I guessed. That only equals out to about one a month .

Do you think you could produce thos esame results on lesser known fighters?

like I looked at 5dimes' fights for this weekend, who are these people?

honetly no i couldnt

I couldnt hit 78% with unkown fighters. If we started betting friday night fights and little saturday events we probably have to start laying higher juice that what I have been because up until title fights fights are usually set up for one guy to destory the other person.

But I start looking at boxing a little more .Maybe I wont start betting unkowns but maybe I'll just start betting more fights

[Ipickdeeznuts2win]

Thanks for the heads up Scientist!!!

UFC on Versus 1 is gonna be great betting card!!!

5U on Jones - http://mmajunkie.com/news/18074/eliot-m ... part-i.mma (http://mmajunkie.com/news/18074/eliot-marshalls-fight-camp-blog-for-ufc-on-versus-1-part-i.mma) - If you read this even Elliot Marshall praises him even though he is in the same weight class, and out of all the guys he trained with for this upcoming fight he singles out Jones....as does everyone who works with him. Vera is a total stoner whose best win really was over Mir when Mir was about 30% the fighter he is now coming off that wreck. If Jones could slam Hamill like that he can slam Vera like that easily. I get the feeling Jones is going to get his breakout performance here and finish Vera quickly.

5U on JDS - Gonzaga folds under pressure and has failed to get a huge win over anyone of significance other than CroCop who we know now is not the CroCop that terrorized Pride. Gonzaga has lost two times by TKO to Werdum who only has four KO/TKO's on his record. I see JDS getting the TKO here.

Possibly 5U on Kongo - Kongo should be able to win this fight with zero problems considering it should be a standup battle. The problem is that the odds are really bad (-412 on Bookmaker), and Kongo got dropped by the 1st punch Mir threw. I just have a bad feeling about it.

5U on Peirce - Pierce looked really strong against Fitch and almost pulled a huge upset in the 3rd and was on a tear before that. He is traveling around going to different camps and learning/sparring/rolling with many different people and camps. From what I have heard Rob Kimmons sticks to his local gym and is really a lower tier fighter in the UFC.

5U on Bones
5U on JDS
Possibly 5U on Kongo
5U on Pierce

[MMA_scientist]

Welcome!

Don't let me see you in here without a Ninja again.

I think JDS will win as well, just not willing to bet on it (having not seen his takedown defense or his ground game).

As you know, I think Vera will beat Jones, or at least make it very competitive. So I can't justify a bet on Jones at -200 or whatever he is now.

I agree on the others though

[Mr. IWS]

Welcome aboard.

With ya on Kongo.

GL

[SPX]

I ran across something earlier that said Gonzaga was injured and wouldn't be getting his ass kicked by JDS.

Anyone else hear anything on that? I'm hoping it was just a rumor. . .

[Luke]

Havent heard anything will keep my eyes open

[Mr. IWS]

I ran across something earlier that said Gonzaga was injured and wouldn't be getting his ass kicked by JDS.

Anyone else hear anything on that? I'm hoping it was just a rumor. . .

I saw a troll post on sherdog, but without a source.

[Luke]

I ran across something earlier that said Gonzaga was injured and wouldn't be getting his ass kicked by JDS.

Anyone else hear anything on that? I'm hoping it was just a rumor. . .

I saw a troll post on sherdog, but without a source.


I just read JDS was giving interviews today on the fight. If Zaga was out he wouldnt still be giving interviews ::handshake::

[SPX]

I saw a troll post on sherdog, but without a source.

That must have been where I got it from. . . I just saw the thread title on the Sherdog front page.

[SPX]

I'd just like to mention that I'm sick of fucking losing and I intend to unleash the exceptional fury of my wrath on this fucking card.

[Luke]

I'm having a hard time seeing ANY underdogs winning on this card

[MMA_scientist]

Just a heads up if you have not heard that Versus is back on Directv. Yay.

My bets:

6u on Kongo @ -340
2u on Vera @ +210
3u on Pierce @ -300 or better (go to 5u if -200)

[Mr. IWS]

GL scientist.

I will be on Kongo as well. Not sure what line yet.

[Luke]

Just a heads up if you have not heard that Versus is back on Directv. Yay.

My bets:

6u on Kongo @ -340
2u on Vera @ +210
3u on Pierce @ -300 or better (go to 5u if -200)


Good to hear about Versus but I never understood why someone would choose Directv dishnetwork.Samething just ones cheaper

[Mr. IWS]

Directv has the NFL sunday ticket. Thats what sold it for me until I got rid of it a couple years back.

[Luke]

Directv has the NFL sunday ticket. Thats what sold it for me until I got rid of it a couple years back.



I heard that arguement before( NFL ticket and MLB )but not everyone buys those. I had directv tv and switched to dish and its the samething imo expect for what you said

[MMA_scientist]

When I originally went with Directv, Dish Network did not have HD channels. Now I am in a contract with them. I had Dish in the past, and I actually preferred the Tivo to the HD-DVR I have now, so I wanted Dish again. I will probably switch back in 9 months when my contract is up, now that they have the HD channels.

[Luke]

When I originally went with Directv, Dish Network did not have HD channels. Now I am in a contract with them. I had Dish in the past, and I actually preferred the Tivo to the HD-DVR I have now, so I wanted Dish again. I will probably switch back in 9 months when my contract is up, now that they have the HD channels.


I see ::handshake::

[SPX]

Irvin is at -171 against Sakara. I'm thinking of taking that.

What's everyone think about that fight?

[zY|]

^^My thoughts

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/does-a ... r-1166991/ (http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/does-anyone-really-consider-alessio-sakara-apocolyptic-fighter-1166991/)

[SPX]

Just took Irvin at -140 for 1.5u. They are similar fighters but I think Sakara is a notch below Irvin.

I do have concerns: Irvin is dropping down in weight and he's also be out for a while. But provided he's healthy and feeling good, I think his striking beat's Sakara's.

[MMA_scientist]

I went ahead and dropped 3u on Pierce @ -355


I am seriously considering Schaefer and Marshall as dog bets. I thought Schaefer would be like -200 and I expected Vlad to be a favorite but I think Marshall has some advanatges and will beat him.

[MMA_scientist]

Just took Irvin at -140 for 1.5u. They are similar fighters but I think Sakara is a notch below Irvin.

I do have concerns: Irvin is dropping down in weight and he's also be out for a while. But provided he's healthy and feeling good, I think his striking beat's Sakara's.

I think if Irvin manages to go 15 minutes with an injury he will win. But who knows. I saw a stat about fighters coming off year long lay offs, they don't usually do very well. I can't remember the details, but it basically boils down to me never betting on a guy who has been out at least a year.

[Mr. IWS]

I love Irvin as a fighter, but the layoff/injury problems, seem to put him at a big disadvantage IMO (see Reljic/CB).

Gun to my head, I would bet Irvin though.

[SPX]

Did you guys see that SBC Global came out with Irvin at -400 and Sakara at +370 the other day? I knew that line was fucked up and apparently they took it down pretty quickly.

Like I said, I have the same concerns about Irvin as you guys do. As a fighter though, Irvin is more impressive, I think. Neither guy has much in the way of big wins. I guess Sakara did technically beat Leites, but I heard Leites looked like shit and was terrified to engage. (I didn't see the fight.)

[Mr. IWS]

This may be the most boss picture of a ninja evaaaaaaaaaaaa!

http://bigpichost.com/files/ninja_vht20eel.jpg

[Luke]

man ,thats the darkest black man I have ever seen

[zY|]

I want that shirt he's wearing.

[Luke]

I want that shirt he's wearing.


have you found anywhere its sold?

[MMA_scientist]

Isn't Marshall going to beat Vlad? I am considering a bet there. I thought Eliot would be the favorite.

[SPX]

Isn't Marshall going to beat Vlad? I am considering a bet there. I thought Eliot would be the favorite.

I honestly haven't seen much of Marshal except for what I saw on TUF, but I honestly do not expect him to beat Matyushenko. Vladimir's boxing has looked greatly improved over the past few fights and that's on top of his solid wrestling base.

I would give Cantwell (who I'm sure you remember Vlad was supposed to fight a little while back) a better chance to beat Vlad than Marshall, but like I said, I haven't seen Marshall's most recent fights.

[Thewiseman]

I dont see much value in this card. I like Guida, Pierce, Kongo and Jones all to win, but wont pay the price on any of them. May actually be value in Gugerty and Buentello ITD. But I just parlayed the four above, 1u to win 1.8u. I might put a unit on Schafer if he gets to +150 and i will probably put a unit on Marshall.
Also, I have 2u to win 5.2u on Gonzaga.

[MMA_scientist]

Isn't Marshall going to beat Vlad? I am considering a bet there. I thought Eliot would be the favorite.

I honestly haven't seen much of Marshal except for what I saw on TUF, but I honestly do not expect him to beat Matyushenko. Vladimir's boxing has looked greatly improved over the past few fights and that's on top of his solid wrestling base.

I would give Cantwell (who I'm sure you remember Vlad was supposed to fight a little while back) a better chance to beat Vlad than Marshall, but like I said, I haven't seen Marshall's most recent fights.


I dropped .5u on Marshall @ +160. I have 2 dogs oon this card now, which is rare for me.

Marshall's striking has improved a lot since TUF, that is the biggest difference. I think he will definately beat Vlad in the striking. He has a 7" reach advantage. He has a good sprawl. Even if Vlad gets him down, Marshall should be able to use hisn length and bjj to tie Vlad up and control his posture.

Vlad is 39 years old. If you look at Vlad against lil Nog 1, he shoots for a bunch of takedowns, and wins a decision. Then watch lil Nog 2, and he can't do anything, never really tries a takedown. I think he has lost the snap on his shot. I think Marshall will keep him far enough away that he will have to come in Kamikaze style for a takedown.

Enough advantages for Marshall to pull the trigger @ +160- i see it as a coin flip. I am trying to be looser about betting where I see value, but still only want to bet fights where I thin the guys is really going to win

[Ipickdeeznuts2win]

I've never laid down as much on a single card as this one, but hopefully everything works out!

Final bets:
5U on Bones: 2nd round TKO
5U on JDS: 2nd or 3rd round KO
6U on Kongo: Dec or late TKO
3U on Pierce
.5U on Marshall: dec or sub

Geez I got more units than an apartment complex on this card but at the least it will be exciting as hell!

[MMA_scientist]

I've never laid down as much on a single card as this one, but hopefully everything works out!

Final bets:
5U on Bones: 2nd round TKO
5U on JDS: 2nd or 3rd round KO
6U on Kongo: Dec or late TKO
3U on Pierce
.5U on Marshall: dec or sub

Geez I got more units than an apartment complex on this card but at the least it will be exciting as hell!


I really think Pierce is the lock of the night now. I really wish I would have bet more on him. I still might drop another couple u on him @ -400. He is going to win that, you were right on him from the get -go.

You should be sitting pretty after the undercard... which means you will be all the more amped for the last 2 bouts. That is a lot of coin on a couple of fights that could go either way... good luck, I hope you win all of your bets, except Jones. That way I still win, and at least you will break even.

[SPX]

Damn, Irvin down to -125 now on Bookmaker.

I guess I bought in too soon. Glad I didn't jump when it was -170.

[SPX]

Why in the fuck is this coming on on a Sunday? I've been thinking all day it's tonight and now I realize I have to wait until tomorrow.

[Luke]

Why in the fuck is this coming on on a Sunday? I've been thinking all day it's tonight and now I realize I have to wait until tomorrow.



::lmao::


I think you're the only one that thought this was tonight

[SPX]

::lmao::


I think you're the only one that thought this was tonight

Well shit, it just made sense. It's a PPV-worthy UFC event. It's not like it's a fucking Fight Night, so I figured yeah, it was tonight.

[Luke]

::lmao::


I think you're the only one that thought this was tonight

Well shit, it just made sense. It's a PPV-worthy UFC event. It's not like it's a fucking Fight Night, so I figured yeah, it was tonight.


Well that shows how much I know I thought it was a fight night ::lmao::

[SPX]

Well that shows how much I know I thought it was a fight night ::lmao::

Not exactly. Fight Nights are on Spike. It looks like the UFC wants to go bigger with their stuff on Versus.

With Vera/Jones, Gonzaga/Dos Santos, Clay Guida, and what was SUPPOSED to be Rumble all on the same card, that's way more star power than Fight Nights ever get.

[Luke]

who you betting tonight? I mean tomorrow?

[SPX]

who you betting tonight? I mean tomorrow?

At the moment, I got 2u on Jones @ -200, 3u on Dos Santos at -280 (I think), 1.5u on Irvin at -140, and .25u on Guggerty at +325.

I may also do something with Marshall/Matyushenko and Elkins/Ludwig but it's pending further research.

[Ludo]

3u parlay to win 2.9u on Dos Santos and Howard
2u on Sakara to win 1.9u
3u on Jones to win 1.2u
2u on Ludwig to win 1.2u

[SPX]

^^^ Why Sakara, especially at less then even odds?

[Ludo]

I feel the extra weight cut, plus the huge layoff after the problems with painkillers will leave Irvin(who isn't a fantastic fighter to begin with) a little sluggish and rusty.

Stylisticly this isn't a great fight for Sakara I know. But Irvin isn't exactly accustomed to fighting at 185. He hasn't fought since July of 08, and then had to deal with painkiller addiction. Anyone who ever followed Mark Kerrs career knows how that shit can fuck your days fighting up.

[Mr. IWS]

I feel the extra weight cut, plus the huge layoff after the problems with painkillers will leave Irvin(who isn't a fantastic fighter to begin with) a little sluggish and rusty.



I agree man.

[SPX]

I feel the extra weight cut, plus the huge layoff after the problems with painkillers will leave Irvin(who isn't a fantastic fighter to begin with) a little sluggish and rusty.

Stylisticly this isn't a great fight for Sakara I know. But Irvin isn't exactly accustomed to fighting at 185. He hasn't fought since July of 08, and then had to deal with painkiller addiction. Anyone who ever followed Mark Kerrs career knows how that shit can fuck your days fighting up.

I guess I would see that, if anything, as simply a reason to stay away completely. But I don't see Sakara as a good bet at -115. If you had gotten him at +165 when he first came out then I could see a case for a Sakara play, but that's just me.

[Luke]

Anyone see Kongo ,Pierce or Guida losing tonight?

[SPX]

Anyone see Kongo ,Pierce or Guida losing tonight?

I'm staying away from Kongo/Buentello. Kongo should win, but he's so iffy. I would not be entirely surprised to see Buentello beat him.

Guida should win, but at the current line I actually have a little on Guggerty. Guida's stand up sucks, so I actually think it will be a pretty even fight on the feet. And on the ground, Guida will probably be able to out wrestle Guggerty, but grappling is actually Shannon's strength so who knows.

[Ludo]

Kongo is iffy but I just don't see Buentello doing anything after round one. He gassed so bad against Struve that even catching him in mid air with a haymaker he couldn't put him away. Kongo strikes from everywhere, Buentello strikes with his hands and has no cardio. I see Kongo picking him apart before delivering a knockout blow.

[Luke]

I dont like this card too much .Thinking about just parlaying the 3 above together for a unit and thats it . The three together pay almost even .I'd rather do that than bet 4 units to win 1 on any one of them

[Mr. IWS]

Im on Kongo tonight.

GL boys and girls

[Luke]

Im on Kongo tonight.

GL boys and girls


GL man I dont want to see any FuckKongos joining the site tonight

[Thewiseman]

parlay: Pierce, Guida, Kongo, and Jones 2u to win 3.5u

Marshall 1u to win 1.5u

Sakara 1u to win 1u

Gonzaga 2u to win 5.2u

[Mr. IWS]

GL man I dont want to see any FuckKongos joining the site tonight


If he gets KO'd, maybe a guy might join named Check Kongo's Chin

[zY|]

Paul Buentello will not beat Cheick Kongo. I can't even think of a way he could.

[Luke]

Paul Buentello will not beat Cheick Kongo. I can't even think of a way he could.



Cecil Peoples can make it happen ::handshake::

[Luke]

My first play of the night is

Guida/Pierce parlay

1.95 units to win 1


If this hits I might add Jones ,Kongo ,or JDS .Or I may not bet anything else ::handshake::

[Mr. IWS]

Paul Buentello will not beat Cheick Kongo. I can't even think of a way he could.

I hope your right bro.

[SPX]

I really want to bet Kongo but good God that price is steep for a guy who just got put to sleep by Mir in 30 seconds and who also lost to Heath Herring.

[Luke]

undercard is starting now

[SPX]

With almost twice as many fights as his opponent Cheick Kongo, Paul Buentello didn't expect to be the underdog this Sunday at UFC on Versus 1 in Broomfield, Colo. Yet here he as high as a +330 bet on some wagering sites.

“I thought it was funny,” Buentello said on Sherdog Radio Network's “Savage Dog Show” on Wednesday. “There it goes again with the critics. They're looking at my last performance. You're only good as your last fight in the critics’ world. It motivates me a little bit but it also makes me feel comfortable because there's no pressure on me.”

Sunday’s bout will be Buentello's first under the tutelage of trainers Trevor Whitman and Mike Van Arsdale in Denver, following a close majority decision loss to Stefan Struve at UFC 107 last December. The move from the American Kickboxing Academy to Grudge MMA has done wonders for “The Headhunter.”

“It's very interesting because these guys have a totally different style,” said Buentello. “Trevor's trying to work with these new techniques and these new drilling things we've been working on and I try to go against these guys and try these techniques out and these guys all know it. They hit me with everything they've got. Everybody in Trevor's gym is a specialist in something and they bring something different every time. Every time I spar with somebody different. It's crazy. The first four weeks have been hard.”

Those first few weeks didn't start with a training session, but a meeting between Whitman and Buentello. Whitman asked the fighter what needed improving in his game and Buentello was very forthcoming in his response.

“My striking,” said Buentello. “I'm not firing off my legs, off my hips. I'm a little bit of a push puncher. My takedown defense in certain areas, I have to work on that. My jab could be crisper. My right hand could be a little crisper. Just a lot of stuff and he pointed out I had a lot of bad habits on my footwork. It was an interesting conversation because I was honest and he investigated and he said, ‘Wow most fighters would come in here and say I'm good at everything. I do this great. I do that great. Look at my record.’ He was impressed that I broke it all down for him.”

Buentello has been content with the move.

“I've never said this before but it's been probably the most organized training camp I've been at in a long time,” he said. “Everything is written out on a sheet. You get an email every couple of days telling you your status of how your training is going, where you got to be the next day. It's phenomenal. I know where I've got to be. I know what I've got to do.”

With his training back on course, the only question that really remains for Buentello as he prepares for Kongo is what version of the French fighter will show up?

“We don't know if it's going to be the grappler, the wrestler or the striker,” said Buentello. “We have no idea and we prepared for every situation Cheick Kongo is good and is known for. But we still don't know who's going to show up. He can put a dollar on it and he knows which Paul Buentello is going to show up. He knows I'm going to come straight forward and I'm going to let my hands go and I'm going to do everything possible to land my hands on him. Guaranteed. But we don't know which Cheick Kongo is going to show up.”


http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Buente ... ongo-23359 (http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Buentello-Surprised-to-Be-Underdog-Against-Kongo-23359)

[Luke]

Cliff notes please

[SPX]

Cliff Notes = Paul Buentello is surprised he's an underdog to Kongo.

[Luke]

Cliff Notes = Paul Buentello is surprised he's an underdog to Kongo.


Thats called denial ::handshake::

[Luke]

Jason Brilz defeats Eric Schafer in the first fight UD

[Luke]

Pierce -Paulino next up

Nedd Pierce for the first half of my parlay

[poopoo333]

Jason Brilz defeats Eric Schafer in the first fight UD

Yep, lame.

My plays for the night

0.5 units on Marshall @ +145
0.5 units on Schafer @ +130
2 units on Kongo @ -400


I might add Vera for 0.5 unit.

[Luke]

Jason Brilz defeats Eric Schafer in the first fight UD

Yep, lame.

My plays for the night

0.5 units on Marshall @ +145
0.5 units on Schafer @ +130
2 units on Kongo @ -400


I might add Vera for 0.5 unit.


Said Schafer gassed in the second round

[Luke]

Pierce defeats Paulino UD

One down one to go on the parlay .


Come on Guida

[SPX]

Good job, Luke. I know everyone was saying he was the lock of the night but I wasn't about to drop money on him at -450 or worse. I've never even heard of this Paulino guy.

[Luke]

Schaub wins by first round TKO

[SPX]

Damn, I thought about betting that one, too. . .

[Luke]

Good job, Luke. I know everyone was saying he was the lock of the night but I wasn't about to drop money on him at -450 or worse. I've never even heard of this Paulino guy.


You may never hear of Paulino again lol. I liked Pierce and Guida but no way I was betting 8 units to win 2 betting each of them .If Guida loses I still only lose 1.95 units instead of the 3 I would lose had I bet them seperate and won one and lost one

[Luke]

Damn, I thought about betting that one, too. . .


only lasted 47 seconds

[zY|]

Shit these have already started?

[Luke]

Howard -Roberts next fight

[Luke]

Shit these have already started?


yeah they're 3 fights in already

[SPX]

Oh, I can't help myself. I had to do a crazy parlay:

Matyushenko-Guggerty-Irvin-Kongo-Dos Santos-Jones

.25u to win 8.75u

If it makes it past Guggerty I will be very surprised.

[Luke]

Oh, I can't help myself. I had to do a crazy parlay:

Matyushenko-Guggerty-Irvin-Kongo-Dos Santos-Jones

.25u to win 8.75u

If it makes it past Guggerty I will be very surprised.


GL SPX .I was dicking around last night with boxing parlays and found one I like that paid 5 to 1 .I never bet it though

[Luke]

Howard wins by KO

[Ludo]

Howard finishes in the first. Hell yeah

[SPX]

Damn, Howard KO. That's the second time he's pulled that shit in a row. Honestly, he's never much impressed me and I think he's too small for the division. I'm still pissed that he wasn't fighting Rumble tonight. I had 3u on Rumble and I have little doubt that that would've been money in the bank.

[Ludo]

yeah Howard would have been manhandled by Rumble, he looked like he was having some trouble with Roberts on the ground, Rumble is ten times the wrestler Roberts is.

[Luke]

By the way UFC is on tonight not saturday (SPX) because of the NCAA tournament .Yesterday the games went on till midnight today they'll all be over by 8pm

[SPX]

Yeah, someone mentioned that yesterday. Makes sense. I'd have preferred it have been last night though so I could just get drunk while I watch without having to worry about being in good shape for work tomorrow.

[Luke]

Darren Elkins win by TKO first round

[Luke]

Says Ludwig broke his ankle stoppage was at 44 seconds of the first

[Ludo]

It wasn't a tapout, Ludwigs ankle twisted underneath himself, the fight was waved off. It's a TKO due to injury.

[SPX]

Damn, tough break for Ludwig (no pun intended). Looks like he's going 0-2 and most likely getting cut.

Glad I stayed away from this one because I probably would've gone Ludwig.

[SPX]

Come on, Vladimir! Kick his fucking ass and prove why you are THE JANITOR!!!

[poopoo333]

Come on, Vladimir! Kick his fucking ass and prove why you are THE JANITOR!!!

For my sake, I hope not!

[SPX]

For my sake, I hope not!

I hate to root against a fellow bettor, but I'm a bigger Matyushenko fan than a Marshall fan, and plus it will bust my parlay if he loses.

[Luke]

For my sake, I hope not!

I hate to root against a fellow bettor, but I'm a bigger Matyushenko fan than a Marshall fan, and plus it will bust my parlay if he loses.


Says he's up 2 -0 after two rounds

[poopoo333]

For my sake, I hope not!

I hate to root against a fellow bettor, but I'm a bigger Matyushenko fan than a Marshall fan, and plus it will bust my parlay if he loses.

Round 1
After a lengthy feeling-out process, Matyushenko staggers Marshall with a right hand. They trade leg kicks. Marshall lands an uppercut but the Belarusian barely flinches. Matyushenko clinches against the cage but the two light heavyweights quickly separate. 10-10.

[SPX]

Where you reading, Luke? You must be on Junkie.

[Luke]

Where you reading, Luke? You must be on Junkie.


yeah

[Luke]

Vladimir wins 3-0 rounds to zip

[Ludo]

Sherdog loves to throw at least one 10-10 round in almost every event. Bunch of crack heads doing the scoring for those guys.

[Luke]

Sherdog loves to throw at least one 10-10 round in almost every event. Bunch of crack heads doing the scoring for those guys.


Sherdog is a bunch of morons .

[zY|]

Sherdog loves to throw at least one 10-10 round in almost every event. Bunch of crack heads doing the scoring for those guys.

LOL, as if 10-10s are a bad thing.

Sherdog scores by far better than any other site. Junkie has a couple of monkeys taking turns shitting on the keyboard.

[SPX]

Vladimir wins 3-0 rounds to zip

Oh hell yeah! Damn, and I almost bet on him straight up, too.

Sorry, poopoo (what's up with that username, dawg?). At least it was only half a unit.

[Luke]

One judge had it 29-28 Marshall other two had it 30-27 Vladimir


Cecil is that you?

[Ludo]

Nothing wrong with 10-10 rounds. But they are rare for a reason, not a nightly occurrence.

[zY|]

Nothing wrong with 10-10 rounds. But they are rare for a reason, not a nightly occurrence.

They're rare because judges are afraid to give them. I see 10-10 rounds all the time.

[Luke]

Clay Guida - Shannon Gugerty next up

Come on Guida finish up this parlay for me

[Ludo]

Do you see dead people too?

[YoungTRK484]

Can I get a cliffs notes version from some of you guys on who you bet tonight rather than read 12 pages of dicsussion?

[SPX]

Clay Guida - Shannon Gugerty next up

Come on Guida finish up this parlay for me

I hate to be the dickhead again, but, you know. . .

[SPX]

Can I get a cliffs notes version from some of you guys on who you bet tonight rather than read 12 pages of dicsussion?

You do realize there's a PBP on Sherdog and Junkie, right?

[Luke]

Do you see dead people too?



::swifty:: What you talkin bout Willis?

[Luke]

Can I get a cliffs notes version from some of you guys on who you bet tonight rather than read 12 pages of dicsussion?

You do realize there's a PBP on Sherdog and Junkie, right?


he said who we bet not who won tonight

[poopoo333]

Vladimir wins 3-0 rounds to zip

Oh hell yeah! Damn, and I almost bet on him straight up, too.

Sorry, poopoo (what's up with that username, dawg?). At least it was only half a unit.

Good job man, and poopoo is a name I used on a different forum haha.

Sounds like the fight sucked... did you read the play by play?

[Luke]

Clay Guida - Shannon Gugerty next up

Come on Guida finish up this parlay for me

I hate to be the dickhead again, but, you know. . .


you not like Guida or want me to lose money?

[SPX]

you not like Guida or want me to lose money?

What the fuck? I actually like Guida quite a bit, but I got Guggerty both straight up and in my parlay.

[Luke]

you not like Guida or want me to lose money?

What the fuck? I actually like Guida quite a bit, but I got Guggerty both straight up and in my parlay.



::lmao:: LOL sorry I didnt remember that

[SPX]

Looks like Guida's on his way to victory, though.

[Ludo]

Nice arm triangle.

[triathlete]

Kongo at -360, Dos Santos at -240 and Jones at -225

Where does your money go?

[Luke]

Its over Guida wins by arm triangle


sorry SPX ::handshake::

[SPX]

Its over Guida wins by arm triangle


sorry SPX ::handshake::

Oh well, didn't really think he had much of a chance anyway. Glad to see Guida got a win. Wasn't he about to go 0-3?

[SPX]

Kongo at -360, Dos Santos at -240 and Jones at -225

Where does your money go?

MY money wuold go on Dos Santos. But hey, that's just me.

[Luke]

Its over Guida wins by arm triangle


sorry SPX ::handshake::

Oh well, didn't really think he had much of a chance anyway. Glad to see Guida got a win. Wasn't he about to go 0-3?


Yeas Guida had to get this win

[SPX]

Damn, Guida got the finish, too. Rare for the decision machine. (Kind of rare for lightweights in general, really.)

[Luke]

Kongo at -360, Dos Santos at -240 and Jones at -225

Where does your money go?


I'd say JDS ,Jones ,Kongo in that order.


I might bet one of them still yet since I just hit the parlay I bet

[SPX]

Well shit, that puts me down .5u so far. I should've just bet straight up on Matyushenko.

[Ludo]

Nice to see Guida finally win without grinding out a boring ass decision.

[YoungTRK484]

Can I get a cliffs notes version from some of you guys on who you bet tonight rather than read 12 pages of dicsussion?

You do realize there's a PBP on Sherdog and Junkie, right?


he said who we bet not who won tonight


Yup, what he said.

Wanna know where the ::moneybag:: is at

::handshake::

[SPX]

Yup, what he said.

Wanna know where the ::moneybag:: is at

::handshake::

My bad. I had .25u on Guggerty and a .25u parlay with Guggerty, so both of those are busted.

I also have 1.5u on Irvin, 3u on JDS, and 2u on Jones.

[Ludo]

3u parlay to win 2.9u on Dos Santos and Howard(Howard winning brings Me halfway there)
2u on Sakara to win 1.9u
3u on Jones to win 1.2u
2u on Ludwig to win 1.2u (which busted)

[YoungTRK484]

Yup, what he said.

Wanna know where the ::moneybag:: is at

::handshake::

My bad. I had .25u on Guggerty and a .25u parlay with Guggerty, so both of those are busted.

I also have 1.5u on Irvin, 3u on JDS, and 2u on Jones.


Nice, I like th JDS and Jones bets, don't know much about Irvin so gonna pass on that one and the Kongo line is too steep for me.

[SPX]

Who's got a link?

[Ludo]

Versus does:D

[YoungTRK484]

Are you guys going through a local or online to get the parlays?

Went ahead and put $60 on Jones and $60 on JDS, to win $25 each. Just building the banroll and making the night interesting, nothing drastic.

[SPX]

Versus does:D

And for us poor souls who are cable-challenged?

[Ludo]

Versus does:D

And for us poor souls who are cable-challenged?


Get Dish or DirecTv, biatch!...

No but seriously I don't know of any internet streams, maybe UFC.com?

[Luke]

I had a Pierce/Guida parlay thats already over

still deciding on anything else

[Luke]

Are you guys going through a local or online to get the parlays?

Went ahead and put $60 on Jones and $60 on JDS, to win $25 each. Just building the banroll and making the night interesting, nothing drastic.


online 5dimes ::handshake::

[Luke]

Who's got a link?


I have it on tv check channelsurfing.net spx

[SPX]

I have it on tv check channelsurfing.net spx

Thanks.

I got one going through Sopcast. Hopefully it will hold.

[SPX]

Oh, come on Sandman, don't fail me now!

[Ludo]

14 wins, 5 losses, 1 no contest, and a year long battle with painkillerrrrrrrrrrs....James the Sandmaaaaaaaaaan Irrrrrrrrvinnnn!

[SPX]

He doesn't look so bad at middleweight.

[YoungTRK484]

Thanks Luke, been thinking of opening a 5dimes acct for awhile now. Might just have to go ahead and do it.

[Luke]

hmm

Kongo at -350 or JDS at -250?


decisions decisions

[triathlete]

Irvin looks sl ow

[Ludo]

That was quick, easy money for me... Kinda sucks Irvin is such a pussy though.

[SPX]

Well FUCK!!!!!!!!!!

GODDAMN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Luke]

OMG that was gay as hell

[SPX]

That's it, it's crazy time. 5u on Kongo.

[Luke]

That's it, it's crazy time. 5u on Kongo.



GL man ::handshake::

[SPX]

GL man ::handshake::

Thanks.

Zak and I ride together tonight.

Speaking of which, where the fuck is he?

[Luke]

GL man ::handshake::

Thanks.

Zak and I ride together tonight.

Speaking of which, where the fuck is he?


He's not allowed on the computer past 7pm lol

[SPX]

GODDAMN YOU JAMES IRVIN!

[SPX]

Kongo better fuck this shit up!

[triathlete]

That's it, it's crazy time. 5u on Kongo.

Aren't you breaking some rules there? Chasing? C'mon now [voice of reason]

[SPX]

Aren't you breaking some rules there? Chasing? C'mon now [voice of reason]

Mind your business, triathlete!

Would believe that I've lost money on the past 4 events that have come around? 4 fucking events?!?!

[Luke]

Aren't you breaking some rules there? Chasing? C'mon now [voice of reason]

Mind your business, triathlete!

Would believe that I've lost money on the past 4 events that have come around? 4 fucking events?!?!


Be nice SPX

[triathlete]

Aren't you breaking some rules there? Chasing? C'mon now [voice of reason]

Mind your business, triathlete!

Would believe that I've lost money on the past 4 events that have come around? 4 fucking events?!?!

It's all good. . . Just trying to look out for a brotha! :)

[Luke]

Aren't you breaking some rules there? Chasing? C'mon now [voice of reason]

Mind your business, triathlete!

Would believe that I've lost money on the past 4 events that have come around? 4 fucking events?!?!

It's all good. . . Just trying to look out for a brotha! :)


dont mind him ,these events stress him out like a mofo

[SPX]

It's all good. . . Just trying to look out for a brotha! :)

I'm just fucking with you.

But I did have an awesome run where I picked up like 20u in a month or something. And lately I've just been nickeled and dimed and half that shit's gone. It all started with Nate Marquardt. . . That asshole. . .

[triathlete]

It's all good. . . Just trying to look out for a brotha! :)

I'm just fucking with you.

But I did have an awesome run where I picked up like 20u in a month or something. And lately I've just been nickeled and dimed and half that shit's gone. It all started with Nate Marquardt. . . That asshole. . .

Oh, I know...

This fight is looking nothing how I played it out in my mind. . . .

[SPX]

Oh, I know...

This fight is looking nothing how I played it out in my mind. . . .

Me either. But I'm cool with it.

[Luke]

LOL I thought it was over WTF

[Ludo]

At least your not the bartender suggesting he's had enough...

[YoungTRK484]

Was his finger just caught in the glove or dislocated inside of it?!?!?

[triathlete]

Dislocated. They had to pop it.

[SPX]

Herb Dean seems real eager to stand it up for some reason.

[Luke]

Kongo wins round 1 easily

[Luke]

Was his finger just caught in the glove or dislocated inside of it?!?!?


not sure

[SPX]

Man, fucking gay!

[YoungTRK484]

Either way that was nuts. And now an illegal knee. And now a point deduction. Wow this fight has a lot going on.

[Luke]

WTF Kongo lost a point

[SPX]

Goddamn, no warning?!

What the fuck is going on here?

[Luke]

Goddamn, no warning?!

What the fuck is going on here?


yeah he lost a point

[triathlete]

God.... Kongo's tits are huge. . . Jesus. . .

[Luke]

9-9 second round

[SPX]

That point deduction pisses me the fuck off. That is BULLSHIT! Doesn't EVERYONE get a warning first?

[Luke]

That point deduction pisses me the fuck off. That is BULLSHIT! Doesn't EVERYONE get a warning first?


guess not ,I thought it was dumb too

[Luke]

That point deduction pisses me the fuck off. That is BULLSHIT! Doesn't EVERYONE get a warning first?


your lucky Paul said he could continue or it would have been a win for Paul



KONGO WINSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[Luke]

ITS ALL OVER

[SPX]

KONGO WINSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Thank God! Shit. Well ALMOST evens out what I lost on Irvin.

Congrats to Zak. He just wins for the night. I still have the Dos Santos/Jones gauntlet to walk through.

[SPX]

Really odd tap from Buentello.

[Ludo]

Someone get a "Fuck Paul Buentello" name in here. Anyone who taps from elbows to the fucking thigh should stop pretending to be a fighter.

[triathlete]

Tapped to an ass pounding... literally.

[Luke]

Someone get a "Fuck Paul Buentello" name in here. Anyone who taps from elbows to the fucking thigh should stop pretending to be a fighter.


Tech he could have said he couldnt continue from the illegal knee and he would have picked up the cheap win.

Props to him for not taking the easy way out for a win