View Full Version : Strikceforce CBS April 17th fights /discussion
Looks like the only two fights so far are:
Jake Shields-Dan Hederson
King Mo Lawal -Gegard Mousasi
Cung Le might also be on the card
Just hear it was comfirmed Strikeforce will stay with their April 17th date. Also they are trying to add Lashley to this card
Going to be one busy night of fighting the 17th :
Strikeforce
UFC fight night
and
Kelly Pavlik fighting
Mr. IWS
03-31-2010, 10:44 AM
Still no lines out for this one.....
I will probably be on Hendo though regardless.
poopoo333
03-31-2010, 12:24 PM
No Fight Night on the 17th Luke.
For some reason I sense a Shields upset. If Melendez is a substantial underdog, I will throw 0.5 unit on him. I am most likely going to stay away from Mousasi and King Mo.
No Fight Night on the 17th Luke.
For some reason I sense a Shields upset. If Melendez is a substantial underdog, I will throw 0.5 unit on him. I am most likely going to stay away from Mousasi and King Mo.
I could see Melendez winning. He's been looking great lately. Granted, he's never faced a sub guy like Aoki, but he's 17-2 with both losses coming by decision.
Aoki can be (T)KOd. We've seen it before.
Thewiseman
03-31-2010, 01:32 PM
im going with Hendo -300 or under, maybe more. Melendez with +odds and King Mo +150 or better.
im going with Hendo -300 or under, maybe more. Melendez with +odds and King Mo +150 or better.
I cant see Hendo being that high but I could be wrong
poopoo333
03-31-2010, 11:58 PM
I wish the lines would come out already. Strikeforce lines take forever.
The reason the lines aren't out is because there are only two fights official for the card yet.
No Fight Night on the 17th Luke.
For some reason I sense a Shields upset. If Melendez is a substantial underdog, I will throw 0.5 unit on him. I am most likely going to stay away from Mousasi and King Mo.
I could see Melendez winning. He's been looking great lately. Granted, he's never faced a sub guy like Aoki, but he's 17-2 with both losses coming by decision.
Aoki can be (T)KOd. We've seen it before.
Cant really see Aoki losing but I can see it being a big line
Thewiseman
04-02-2010, 11:25 AM
i will be laying about 5-6 units on Hendo. 1u on Melendez and .5u on King Mo if odds are right.
I think Mousasi's going to fuck King Mo up. I hope I can get him for -300 or better.
poopoo333
04-03-2010, 11:23 PM
I think Mousasi's going to fuck King Mo up. I hope I can get him for -300 or better.
Based on what? This is too much of a "what if" fight in my opinion. For all we know King Mo might be the next big thing (well Mousasi kind of fits that description too). Mo's wrestling might give Mousasi some trouble, and Mo is training with some really good people. This is a fight where I will need to see the lines to think about betting on it.
I'm not touching Mo/Mousasi. WAY too many unknown variables just like the Mir/Carwin fights. Hendo though I will most likely make a play on, maybe someone on the undercard when I see who's actually fighting.
I think Mousasi's going to fuck King Mo up. I hope I can get him for -300 or better.
Damn bro if its -300 I'm going the other way .This isnt that far of a talent gap imo
poopoo333
04-04-2010, 12:51 AM
"King Mo came in and wrestled with Jake a couple weeks ago.
He's got some very impressive shots for MMA and set-ups. I think he might be able to smother Mousasi. "
From the MMA section on bodybuilding.com
He is referring to Jake Rosholt.
Not exactly impressive that he's able to smother a Middleweight when he's fought at Heavyweight before...
Who the fuck has Lawal fought? What's his biggest win? Mike Whitehead? Travis Wiuff? The modern-day washed up and broken down Mark Kerr?
Mousasi at this point is FAR more experienced and has beaten some actual names. This may very well be King Mo's coming out party, but I would have to get some pretty sweet underdog odds to gamble that it will be.
poopoo333
04-04-2010, 11:32 AM
Mousasi at this point is FAR more experienced and has beaten some actual names. This may very well be King Mo's coming out party, but I would have to get some pretty sweet underdog odds to gamble that it will be.
Yep, this is kind of my point of view too on the fight.
Who the fuck has Lawal fought? What's his biggest win? Mike Whitehead? Travis Wiuff? The modern-day washed up and broken down Mark Kerr?
Mousasi at this point is FAR more experienced and has beaten some actual names. This may very well be King Mo's coming out party, but I would have to get some pretty sweet underdog odds to gamble that it will be.
I didnt say Mousasi wont win but if its high odds I'll be on King Mo or nothing
I didnt say Mousasi wont win but if its high odds I'll be on King Mo or nothing
That wasn't just directed at you.
I think I'd that I'd at least guess that Mousasi takes this one 70% of the time, so I'll be on him for sure if his line is -233 or better.
Mr. IWS
04-06-2010, 09:51 AM
Mayhem added to the card:
Jason “Mayhem” Miller will face Tim Stout in a middleweight bout at Strikeforce “Nashville” on April 17 at the Bridgestone Arena in Nashville, Tenn., the promotion confirmed with Sherdog.com on Monday.
MMAJunkie.com was the first to report of the matchup, which will be the final fight of the event’s undercard and could possibly air on tape-delay during the main card’s live CBS broadcast if time permits.
Known for his colorful entrances and larger-than-life personality, Miller lost a unanimous decision to Jake Shields at Strikeforce “Fedor vs. Rogers” on Nov. 7 in Hoffman Estates, Ill. The 29-year-old fighter is a former Icon Sport middleweight champion with key victories over Robbie Lawler and Tim Kennedy.
Stout, a Memphis local, dropped an October bout to Roger Carroll via second-round submission at a Clash of the Kings event in Georgia. Stout holds a victory over “The Ultimate Fighter 5” alumnus Brandon Melendez.
Strikeforce “Nashville” airs on CBS’s “Saturday Night Fights” on April 17 at 9:00 p.m. EST.
Johnny Unreliable
04-07-2010, 11:27 PM
I'll be all over hendo. Shield's standup is rather terrible for the level he fights at and his wrestling isn't that great either. He certainly has the submission edge but he's primarily a top control guy. Of course he could pull out another standing guillotine or a good sweep or something and win but I see hendo taking this one pretty easily. Never been a fan of shields though. Hopefully the line stays down for hendo though.
I like Mousasi vs King Mo but as others have mentioned way to many unknowns.
southbaysurf
04-08-2010, 02:25 AM
Hendo -320
Shields +240
Vegas
Mr. IWS
04-08-2010, 08:42 AM
Hendo -320
Shields +240
Vegas
Hendo it is!
Lines up
http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/244.png
I'll be on Hendo and Aoki for sure, I'll probably stay away from Mousasi/Lawal because there are way too many unknown variables. Hopefully these don't shoot all over the place in the next few hours while everyone else picks the lines up.
already moving Hendo to -400 already,cant see it getting much higher though
anyone else surprised Aoki is a dog?
Very. Once I can get to the lines(since I don't have a bookmaker account), I'll be on Aoki.
High5
04-14-2010, 01:17 AM
So far I've got
Hendo -355 5u
Mousasi -240 3u
Aoki +115 2u
Glad I have an account with BM.
Matchbook has Henderson up at -300 with over 5000 avaiable to bet I just took Henderson -300 for 2 units
6 units to win 2
Svino
04-14-2010, 01:34 AM
I am surprised that Aoki isn't favored, but I can't say right now that I feel the odds are wrong either.
In terms of both style and overall skill, I like Hendo over Shields. Shields might have a cardio advantage that could come into play if the fight goes to the 4th and 5th rounds.
Hendo had no problem going 5 rounds with Rampage, I don't think Cardio will be a huge factor for Shields, especially when the grappling advantage on the whole goes to Hendo. His clinch is worlds better than Shields', his top game could neutralize Shields on the ground if he can manage to get there. He also has the size and striking advantage by far. Hendo has a small chance of losing this fight, but it's nothing we haven't seen him handle before.
MMA_scientist
04-14-2010, 09:38 AM
^^ I disagree. Hendo gassed in that fight. He won the first round, and then gassed. He was on bottom of half guard for much of the fight. If he gasses like that against Shields, I think he will get beat.
I don't like any of these lines.
Hendo should win by KO, but I am not taking him @ -400.
Mousasi/Lawal cannot be predicted by anyone with any accuracy.
I mildly like Melendez, but was hoping to get him as a dog. I might make a small play on Gil.
poopoo333
04-14-2010, 10:00 AM
This card sucks for betting. I will probably stay away....but what fun is that?
Mr. IWS
04-14-2010, 10:03 AM
Ill be on Hendo, Mo, and Gil.
Don't like any of these. Hendo has been taken down by worse wrestlers.
MMA_scientist
04-14-2010, 10:38 AM
Don't like any of these. Hendo has been taken down by worse wrestlers.
Agreed. I think there might be some value to Shields. Hendo is getting older too... When there is such an obvious gameplan, it rarely plays out the way we think it will. That said, even if Shields gets him down, it will probably take a few rounds to do anything to Hendo. He is not a submission machine, more of a top control type.
I'm with Luke and LudoCain: Surprised Aoki is the dog. I personally am a big Gil fan and was hoping to bet him in this fight, but I won't do it with him as the favorite. As it is, 1u on Aoki at +130.
Also got 3u on Mousasi at -275. I could be wrong, but I think he will win this fight as decisively as he's won any other against tough competition. My only real concern is that Mo could outwrestle Mousasi, but hopefully this one stays standing.
^^i don't expect it to stay standing. Once Mo gets tagged a few times he'll revert to wrestling.
^^i don't expect it to stay standing. Once Mo gets tagged a few times he'll revert to wrestling.
Maybe so. I'm a little nervous about it. I might hedge out of the bet before the fight, but usually once I place a bet I just roll with it for better or worse.
MMA_scientist
04-14-2010, 11:18 AM
IMO, there is no real way to know what Mo brings to the table. Mousasi should win the striking, but it is Mo's submission defense and gas tank that will make the difference in this fight. Mousasi has submitted some tough guys... I would THINK Mousasi would win anywhere the fight happens. But I am not willing to bet it, having never seen Mo fight a real threat.
IMO, there is no real way to know what Mo brings to the table. Mousasi should win the striking, but it is Mo's submission defense and gas tank that will make the difference in this fight. Mousasi has submitted some tough guys... I would THINK Mousasi would win anywhere the fight happens. But I am not willing to bet it, having never seen Mo fight a real threat.
I agree that there are a lot of questions.
Still, Mousasi has fought in the US and Japan, he's the champion, he's 28-2-1 with wins over Kang, Manhoef and Jacare, and . . . he's fighting a guy with 6 fights whose biggest win is Mike Whitehead.
IMO, there is no real way to know what Mo brings to the table. Mousasi should win the striking, but it is Mo's submission defense and gas tank that will make the difference in this fight. Mousasi has submitted some tough guys... I would THINK Mousasi would win anywhere the fight happens. But I am not willing to bet it, having never seen Mo fight a real threat.
I agree that there are a lot of questions.
Still, Mousasi has fought in the US and Japan, he's the champion, he's 28-2-1 with wins over Kang, Manhoef and Jacare, and . . . he's fighting a guy with 6 fights whose biggest win is Mike Whitehead.
Well if it's any consolation, I don't think Mo is anywhere near as good as he does.
This guy at least gives it to Aoki:
http://www.fightlaunch.com/mma-blog/str ... ville-mma/ (http://www.fightlaunch.com/mma-blog/strikeforce-predictions-melendez-vs-aoki-nashville-mma/)
MMA_scientist
04-14-2010, 01:55 PM
This guy at least gives it to Aoki:
http://www.fightlaunch.com/mma-blog/str ... ville-mma/ (http://www.fightlaunch.com/mma-blog/strikeforce-predictions-melendez-vs-aoki-nashville-mma/)
He conveniently forgets to address the striking and takedown advantages that Melendez has.
"Although Gilbert Melendez has strong wrestling & BJJ – his competency is no where near the level of Aoki’s – we confidently give the grappling advantage to Aoki in this most important category. We give conditioning and athleticism to Aoki due to his previous fight showings. It is also clear that Aoki has the advantage when it comes to the level of competition faced by each fighter. The only advantage the Melendez has is that he will be fighting on his own turf in Nashville, TN and I’m pretty sure that the Nashville MMA fans will be behind Melendez."
Talk about missing a major aspect to the fight. I think we all agree that Aoki would win a grappling match.
I'm honestly still shocked that Aoki is the underdog. I'd actually rather be on Gil, but not as a favorite. Aoki as been at #2 in the rankings for forever, while Gil is not even in the top 5. I was thinking the line would be reversed for sure, if not Gil being even more of an underdog.
2u on Aoki to win 2.7u
2u on Lawal to win 3.8u
.5u on Shields to win 1.5u
I'd have parlayed Hendo with Aoki and probably have left it at that, but the site I was using wouldn't allow parlays for this card. I'm not sure who will win between Lawal and Mousasi, but I'm taking the one with more value in a pretty much 50/50 situation at this point.
Speed goes to Mousasi, but size to Lawal.
Technique in striking goes to Mousasi, but one punch knockout power in favor of Lawal.
Mousasi has better Jiu Jitsu, but Lawal has better Wrestling.
This one is going to come down to lands the bigger shot first. Yeah Melendez has the significant striking advantage, but Aoki has been faced with that his whole career. His striking is for shit but his chin is still tough enough to allow him to get in close, eat a few shots while he works a takedown and then pull things into his world.
^^^^^ Didnt you say the King Mo fight was a no bet? What changed your mind?
Fucking hell!
Mousasi just opened on Sportsbook at -180! Why the fuck didn't I wait?
Anyone know the max bet a sportsbook.com?
I did say that. What changed my mind was mostly the fact that there was nothing else on this card and I have a good thing going with Strikeforce so far this year, I didn't want to waste the opportunity by staying away from half the card. I'd rather lose 2u on Lawal in a fight that on paper can go either way(and possibly win me 2.7u) than risk 4u on Hendo or 11u on Mayhem to win 1u. I'm still trying to get out of the hole that UFC112 just put me back into again, and Strikeforce has been profitable for me.
I'd rather lose 2u on Lawal in a fight that on paper can go either way
You know, I could be dead wrong, but I'm still not seeing how this thing "on paper can go either way."
I mean, if we were looking at two guys who were completely new to the sport or who had similar levels of experience, then maybe, but considering the fact that Mousasi has like 10000 times more fights than Mo and that he has beat far better competition, then I'm not seeing the rationale for calling this one a toss up in any form or fashion. Maybe Mousasi shouldn't be a ~73% favorite, but there's no justification for saying he should be -115 either.
Mr. IWS
04-14-2010, 04:13 PM
Im playing on Mo, just on a gut feeling. No rationale for the play. Mosasi has the better all around game, more experiece, etc.
I think Mo springs the upset though.
Yes he has fought more, and beaten better fighters than Mo has. However Mousasi has shown struggles, even recently. His record is long but there aren't a whole hell of a lot of names in the weight class he's fighting in right now to it. I always go back to the Gono fight with him. He got dominated just about the whole time he fought Gono, who has forever been mid tier.
Gono lost to Matt Hughes, Jon Fitch, Shogun, Hendo for elite compeitition. He also drew against Chael Sonnen and Ninja. My point is Mousasi isn't unbeatable, and most of his record is filled with less than stellar guys himself(yes he has wins over very very good fighters, but those fights are few and far between). Honestly this fight is much closer than the lines make it out to be.
I think Mo could be the next Bones Jones, and Mousasi just might be the guy he proves himself against for people to say "wow, this kid can go anywhere in his career".
^^^^ You and Zak can go to hell. . .
^^^^ You and Zak can go to hell. . .
Another man crush SPX?
Another man crush SPX?
Nah, a minor one if anything. . .
I do like Mousasi, but I honestly haven't followed his career closely enough to be too attached. King Mo just seems like a straight up ignorant motherfucker to me. Have you seen his post fight interviews? I also remember he got fined $1000 for get Gatorade all over the cage in his post-fight celebration a couple of fights ago.
Mr. IWS
04-14-2010, 04:52 PM
King Mo just seems like a straight up ignorant motherfucker to me.
I seem to always gravitate to those guys. Mir, BJ, Andy, the Diaz Brothers, Mo, etc. I love that shit.
I seem to always gravitate to those guys. Mir, BJ, Andy, the Diaz Brothers, Mo, etc. I love that shit.
I think that Mir and BJ are both intelligent guys though. Cocky and mildly dillusional, perhaps, but they're well spoken and educated.
Mr. IWS
04-14-2010, 04:59 PM
I think that Mir and BJ are both intelligent guys though. Cocky and mildly dillusional, perhaps, but they're well spoken and educated.
According to Sonnen R-OR, so is Andy...LOL
Another man crush SPX?
Nah, a minor one if anything. . .
I do like Mousasi, but I honestly haven't followed his career closely enough to be too attached. King Mo just seems like a straight up ignorant motherfucker to me. Have you seen his post fight interviews? I also remember he got fined $1000 for get Gatorade all over the cage in his post-fight celebration a couple of fights ago.
I think Mousasi wins but not enought to bet on it
Thewiseman
04-14-2010, 05:40 PM
Wow, waiting to bet on King Mo might have been a bad idea, down to +175 now, it was +210 earlier. Someone pummel the line on Mousasi please!
Carl Yarbrough -500
Josh Schockman +300
I'm not a Lawal fan either. I think he should shut his mouth after the interview where he said some of the guys in the UFC "just aren't that good, you know?". I've been waiting for him to get matched up with someone who will knock him the fuck out and shut him up, and maybe Mousasi is the one to do it, but I kind of doubt it.
Mayhem is at -2000 now.
Who's his opponent? Is he fighting the fucking Pope or something?
Some guy that's 9-7.
The type of guy Mayhem destroys.
Some guy that's 9-7.
The type of guy Mayhem destroys.
How did that fight even get signed?
So they could showcase Mayhem being Mayhem then destroying some can.
Johnny Unreliable
04-14-2010, 10:58 PM
I'll go out on a limb and say Aoki's going to get tooled. Melendez has the stand up and wrestling advantage. It's Aoki's first time in a cage and first time out of japan I believe (could be wrong I didn't fact check that). He also doesn't get his little rainbow pants which much like a unicorn and its horn is were he stores his magical jujitsu powerz.....
but seriously I think the pants help a lot with control for his grappling style and using the rubber guard. I don't see him doing anything amazing after maybe the second round once they're slippery without Melendez just powering out of it. It will be interesting to see if he still retains the ability to go-go motherfuckers no gi err no pants.
3u's on Melendez at -160.
still debating throwing some down on hendo but the line sucks. With shields at +300 I think he has value there as he's still a dangerous opponent. Always a chance he could tie up a guillotine or even get on top but the fight favors Hendo imho. Anything over -250 is risky with hendo.
poopoo333
04-14-2010, 11:08 PM
Tim Stout at +1000......tempting, hahaha
Tim Stout is actually a guy local to Nashville, they signed him to be the hometown opponent of someone, and when Mayhem couldn't get any other opponents in time for the show Stout drew the short straw. I think it's kind of disrespectful to Mayhem though. He goes from taking the current Strikeforce Middleweight Champion to a 5 round decision to fighting on the undercard against a scrub and having a chance to not even get seen on tv. What were they thinking here?
Tim Stout is actually a guy local to Nashville, they signed him to be the hometown opponent of someone, and when Mayhem couldn't get any other opponents in time for the show Stout drew the short straw. I think it's kind of disrespectful to Mayhem though. He goes from taking the current Strikeforce Middleweight Champion to a 5 round decision to fighting on the undercard against a scrub and having a chance to not even get seen on tv. What were they thinking here?
It's fucking Strikeforce. Their matchmaking other than marquee fights is absolutely godawful bordering on nonexistent. Instead of having meaningful prospects or upcoming fights on the undercard, they just grab whatever local scrubs are in the area and have them fight completely pointless fights to take up time. They leave guys on the shelf for ages and ages without fights. How long did Andre Galvao go without a fight? Fucking forever. Shaolin is still waiting.
And to Johnny Unreliable, that's definitely a strong possibility and it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Gil just has his way with Aoki.
I agree the matchmaking when not dealing with their "face of the franchise" fighters leaves a little to be desired. But how do you go from giving this guy a title shot to fighting a no name on the undercard that might not even get aired? Mayhem is one of their top Middleweights and I just don't know why in the hell they decided to just up and feed him a nobody after he almost won the title(had it not been for the bell that choke would have put Shields out). I'd be fuckin' livid if I were Mayhem right now, it's utterly insulting.
Agreed. They could've had him fight Robbie Lawler again, or maybe Manhoef, or Scott Smith, hell even Diaz.
And from what I read, they said the Mayhem fight will be aired "in some form". Whatever that means. Maybe they'll show his entrance and a few highlights. LOL
I'll go out on a limb and say Aoki's going to get tooled. Melendez has the stand up and wrestling advantage. It's Aoki's first time in a cage and first time out of japan I believe (could be wrong I didn't fact check that). He also doesn't get his little rainbow pants which much like a unicorn and its horn is were he stores his magical jujitsu powerz.....
but seriously I think the pants help a lot with control for his grappling style and using the rubber guard. I don't see him doing anything amazing after maybe the second round once they're slippery without Melendez just powering out of it. It will be interesting to see if he still retains the ability to go-go motherfuckers no gi err no pants.
3u's on Melendez at -160.
still debating throwing some down on hendo but the line sucks. With shields at +300 I think he has value there as he's still a dangerous opponent. Always a chance he could tie up a guillotine or even get on top but the fight favors Hendo imho. Anything over -250 is risky with hendo.
Anyone who says "motherfuckers" is okay in my book.
Good thoughts on the upcoming fights as well. Not sure I agree about Melendez, but it sounds okay to me. Personally, I wanted to bet Gil, but I thought he'd be the underdog. I just can't bring myself to bet him as the favorite against Aoki.
Keep posting around here and prove you can keep saying meaningful shit and I'm sure we'll start paying attention to you pretty soon.
I'll go out on a limb and say Aoki's going to get tooled. Melendez has the stand up and wrestling advantage. It's Aoki's first time in a cage and first time out of japan I believe (could be wrong I didn't fact check that). He also doesn't get his little rainbow pants which much like a unicorn and its horn is were he stores his magical jujitsu powerz.....
but seriously I think the pants help a lot with control for his grappling style and using the rubber guard. I don't see him doing anything amazing after maybe the second round once they're slippery without Melendez just powering out of it. It will be interesting to see if he still retains the ability to go-go motherfuckers no gi err no pants.
3u's on Melendez at -160.
still debating throwing some down on hendo but the line sucks. With shields at +300 I think he has value there as he's still a dangerous opponent. Always a chance he could tie up a guillotine or even get on top but the fight favors Hendo imho. Anything over -250 is risky with hendo.
Keep posting around here and prove you can keep saying meaningful shit and I'm sure we'll start paying attention to you pretty soon.
Maybe. We still don't pay attention to SPX.
Anyone who says "motherfuckers" is okay in my book.
You're easily amused arent you?
Keep posting around here and prove you can keep saying meaningful shit and I'm sure we'll start paying attention to you pretty soon
Keep posting and we'll pay attention to you.LOL you're kidding right?
His write up was good I am already paying attention to his posts.Anyone that gives reasons for his bets it ok in my book
still debating throwing some down on hendo but the line sucks. With shields at +300 I think he has value there as he's still a dangerous opponent. Always a chance he could tie up a guillotine or even get on top but the fight favors Hendo imho. Anything over -250 is risky with hendo.
I took Hendo when the line first came out and got -300.I dont think Shields will ever get Hendo to the ground and on their feet Jake stands no chance imo.Of course at the current line of -400 I'm not sure I'd bet it
I took Shields simply because the line was so steep on Hendo. Had Hendo still been around -300 when I was able to get him I'd have popped 3u on him in a heartbeat.
You're easily amused arent you?
Nah, I just like the word "motherfuckers" and use it frequently so I feel a kinship with others who have an affinity for it.
Is that a crime?
Keep posting and we'll pay attention to you.LOL you're kidding right?
His write up was good I am already paying attention to his posts.Anyone that gives reasons for his bets it ok in my book
Luke, you're not backing my play here. . .
I was just reacting to the reality that I've noticed someone has to prove themselves a little bit around here before anyone actually responds to what they say. Have you not noticed that? I sure as hell have.
Anyway, if you didn't notice, I complimented the motherfucker. I liked his post and I said as much if that wasn't clear.
^^^^^I dont think anyone has anything to prove around here.I just read a persons posts ,if they sound like a moron with no clue I ignore them.If they sound like they know what they're talking about I contuine to read their posts
I took Shields simply because the line was so steep on Hendo. Had Hendo still been around -300 when I was able to get him I'd have popped 3u on him in a heartbeat.
Need to get some new books Ludo.Matchbook had Hendo at -300 until about 5pm today.Even now its -350
^^^^^I dont think anyone has anything to prove around here.I just read a persons posts ,if they sound like a moron with no clue I ignore them.If they sound like they know what they're talking about I contuine to read their posts
Your mom...
^^^^^^ignored list^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Is Matchbook legit? It looks kind of questionable from what I'm reading in the FAQ's.
Is Matchbook legit? It looks kind of questionable from what I'm reading in the FAQ's.
Its the most legit book out there.I rate them over bookmaker ,thegreek,or 5dimes. Whats your questions?
They dont usually have lines posted this earlier but there lines are usually better than anyone else's.I wouldnt use it as my main book for MMA because theres not always alot of liquidity but its definitely a must have to get good lines at times
For one I was trying to find out exactly what the hell it was, the FAQ said it's not an actual sports book, they kept mentioning offers like your betting against actual people one on one almost. Secondly, is there an option besides couriered checks for payouts?
Your mom...
Ludo and I are clearly on the same wavelength. . .
For one I was trying to find out exactly what the hell it was, the FAQ said it's not an actual sports book, they kept mentioning offers like your betting against actual people one on one almost. Secondly, is there an option besides couriered checks for payouts?
You are betting against someone else thats what makes the lines so good. Say most sportsbooks have Hendo/Shields -400/+300 Now if you want Shields +350 would suit you ,if you want Hendo -310 would suit you.
Right now the line at matchbook is -350/+310 meaning when you bet Hendo -350 or Shields +310 someone else is getting+350 on Shields or -310 on Hendo.
Understand? If you dont like the current odds you can put your own up.Say you want Hendo -320 you put it up and Shields +320 pops up .Once someone bets Shields +320 for the amount you want your bet is complete.
As for withdraws the only thing I have ever used is regualr mail check which costs 9 bucks
The withdraw page says they use:Moneybrookers,Gold-Pay or interbook transfers to :bookmaker,5dimes,betjamica,olympic or pinnacle
Your mom...
Ludo and I are clearly on the same wavelength. . .
I bet its a slow one
Great info, thanks Luke. I'll probably pop some money into a Matchbook account asap and see how it goes.
Great info, thanks Luke. I'll probably pop some money into a Matchbook account asap and see how it goes.
Once you put money in only put up offers with 10 cents until you understand and see how it works.That is if you plan on put offers up.
One more thing they charge I think 4% on your deposit that goes into commission credits.Its been a while since I've made a deposit but I think it 4%.So if you deposit 100 you get 96 in your account and 4 in your commision credit account. Matchbook makes there money off commission on the bets. They take 1% of your bet.So if you make a bet on a -110 line your really laying -111 after commission.
This is where putting up offers helps.If you put an offer up and someone takes it they pay you .02% commission instead of you having to pay the 1%
So putting up offers instead of taking someone elses saves you money ::handshake::
That actually doesn't sound too bad. I 'spose they have to make their money somehow, and I really don't mind paying 1% when it's all said and done, or 4% on deposits. Again, thanks for the info, Luke. I appreciate it.
That actually doesn't sound too bad. I 'spose they have to make their money somehow, and I really don't mind paying 1% when it's all said and done, or 4% on deposits. Again, thanks for the info, Luke. I appreciate it.
No problem man,just trying to help get us all the best lines possible. ::handshake::
The 4% you pay on deposits goes toward the 1% they take so you're only paying the 1% not both.
example :
desposit 100
4 goes into commision credits
96 into your account
you make 400 dollars in bets and instead of owing 4 dollars in commission the commission credits in your account cover it.Then once you are out of commission credits they take the 1% off your bets ::handshake::
Thewiseman
04-15-2010, 08:41 AM
I took Tim Stout at +700. .07u to win .5u. Hes gonna lose, but this fight was on short notice and maybe mayhem will take him lightly. you never know.
poopoo333
04-15-2010, 09:52 AM
I want to take Mousasi @-225. He SHOULD win. But this is such a toss up. With my 3.37 unit loss at 112, I am being a pussy.. I don't want to lose anymore, but I know Strikeforce could make me so money this weekend.
triathlete
04-15-2010, 10:04 AM
Anyone who says "motherfuckers" is okay in my book.
You're easily amused arent you?
Keep posting around here and prove you can keep saying meaningful shit and I'm sure we'll start paying attention to you pretty soon
Keep posting and we'll pay attention to you.LOL you're kidding right?
His write up was good I am already paying attention to his posts.Anyone that gives reasons for his bets it ok in my book
What about those of us to never give reasons (besides "gut feeling") but do drop serious Washingtons on fights? Occasionally, I"ll put a Lincoln or a Hamilton on a fight - if I feel daring enough. .
Oh yeah... that's how I roll.
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Thewiseman
04-15-2010, 10:56 AM
Took Melendez 3.1u to win 2u. He should keep this upright for the most part and be able to dominate Aoki in the standup, and if it does get to the ground he should be good enough to avoid subs.
Aoki is upto +140 now.(I'm not taking him)
Thewiseman
04-15-2010, 02:18 PM
Took King Mo .5U to win 1u.
I think his wrestling alone makes him a live dog.
What about those of us to never give reasons (besides "gut feeling") but do drop serious Washingtons on fights? Occasionally, I"ll put a Lincoln or a Hamilton on a fight - if I feel daring enough. .
Oh yeah... that's how I roll.
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Triathlete . . . you're a high roller in my book, friend. . .
poopoo333
04-15-2010, 11:01 PM
I went ahead and took Mousasi for a unit @-205.
Thewiseman
04-15-2010, 11:28 PM
Im a little on tilt. Took Hendo 7.9u to win 2u.
Im a little on tilt. Took Hendo 7.9u to win 2u.
How you can be on tilt? You just won like a billion units on a card everyone crashed and burned on.
Thewiseman
04-15-2010, 11:37 PM
Im a little on tilt. Took Hendo 7.9u to win 2u.
How you can be on tilt? You just won like a billion units on a card everyone crashed and burned on.
Just a little mad about Curran. Your right though. I was only gonna take Hendo up to -350, hope this doesnt burn me.
MMA_scientist
04-16-2010, 12:28 PM
Also tilting from Curran. I am going to take it out on Aoki.
4u on Melendez @ -170
I find it interesting you guys go on tilt and bet like crazy. I react the opposite way and stop betting at all for awhile when I lose.
I find it interesting you guys go on tilt and bet like crazy. I react the opposite way and stop betting at all for awhile when I lose.
Not everything's about you, zY!
I find it interesting you guys go on tilt and bet like crazy. I react the opposite way and stop betting at all for awhile when I lose.
so do I.I get scared to bet anything
Mr. IWS
04-16-2010, 01:33 PM
Also tilting from Curran. I am going to take it out on Aoki.
4u on Melendez @ -170
Good to see.
MMA_scientist
04-16-2010, 02:05 PM
I find it interesting you guys go on tilt and bet like crazy. I react the opposite way and stop betting at all for awhile when I lose.
I get scared when I feel I made a series of bad calls. Maybe I am losing the touch. But when a fighter just decides to screw me, like Curran did, or when Stevenson fought Sotiropolous, or Sokidjou losing to Minowa... I feel like they just were not in the mood to fight that day. Then I get pissed and bet more to get back my unfairly lost money.
It all makes sense in my head.
^^^^ I think you're wrong about Stevenson. George was being underestimated for that fight and he came in and proved the odds were wrong. As for the others you mentioned, I would agree for the most part.
EDIT: By the way, I'm also not sure that Melendez/Aoki is the right fight to try to get your money back on.
MMA_scientist
04-16-2010, 02:38 PM
^^^^ I think you're wrong about Stevenson. George was being underestimated for that fight and he came in and proved the odds were wrong. As for the others you mentioned, I would agree for the most part.
EDIT: By the way, I'm also not sure that Melendez/Aoki is the right fight to try to get your money back on.
Too late. I see only 1 path to victory for Aoki, submission. His submission skills are vastly overrated IMO. He does some flashy stuff, bur really he has subbed Hansen, who has a lot of holes in hs sub game as well (and is also overrated IMO) and Alvarez- which is a legit win. All of his other subs are against lower tier comp. But none of that matters because Gil is not going to grapple with him.
Aoki has never fought in the U.S, we boo grapplers here. The cage. The travel. No magic pants. A tough stylistic matchup. It all adds up in Melendez's favor.
I also dropped 5u on Hendo @ -413.
If I am going down, I am going to go down in flames.
Indeed. Well no guts, no glory, I suppose.
I'd also like to bet Hendo, but I want him at -300 or better, not this bullshit that's out there right now.
poopoo333
04-16-2010, 02:44 PM
Aoki has never fought in the U.S, we boo grapplers here. The cage. The travel. No magic pants. A tough stylistic matchup. It all adds up in Melendez's favor.
I also dropped 5u on Hendo @ -413.
If I am going down, I am going to go down in flames.
Everything points to Melendez to win this. I think you are right. I also think the line will get better..the last time it was around -180 it shot right back down. So I am going to wait.
I can also get Hendo for -385...but for some reason I am so hesitant on this fight. ahhh decisions decisions.
I can also get Hendo for -385...but for some reason I am so hesitant on this fight. ahhh decisions decisions.
Yeah, it seems like a trap.
I don't want to get Marquardted again.
I can also get Hendo for -385...but for some reason I am so hesitant on this fight. ahhh decisions decisions.
Yeah, it seems like a trap.
I don't want to get Marquardted again.
Marquart is an overrated fighter.Hendo is the second best 185 pounder out there.Hendo wont get taken down like Nate.One fight has zero to do with the other.
If any fight is a trap on this card its Mousasi imo
.
I also dropped 5u on Hendo @ -413.
If I am going down, I am going to go down in flames.
Matchbook has -345 but -400 is the lowest anywhere else::handshake::
Indeed. Well no guts, no glory, I suppose.
I'd also like to bet Hendo, but I want him at -300 or better, not this bullshit that's out there right now.
I got -300 and you could have too .Multiple books man ::handshake::
I got -300 and you could have too .Multiple books man ::handshake::
I have multiple books. I just don't get that Matchbook shit and I talked to someone else who said that people have complained about getting paid out by them.
MMA_scientist
04-16-2010, 03:17 PM
Yeah I have multiple books too, but 5dimes is not funded and they have the best line. I still have not gotten the matchbook thing.
I keep meaning to do it, but never get around to it.
Can you put up a line for a fight that is not being offered? For example, could I put in an offer on one the Strikeforce undercard fights?
MMA_scientist
04-16-2010, 03:22 PM
Aoki has never fought in the U.S, we boo grapplers here. The cage. The travel. No magic pants. A tough stylistic matchup. It all adds up in Melendez's favor.
I also dropped 5u on Hendo @ -413.
If I am going down, I am going to go down in flames.
Everything points to Melendez to win this. I think you are right. I also think the line will get better..the last time it was around -180 it shot right back down. So I am going to wait.
I can also get Hendo for -385...but for some reason I am so hesitant on this fight. ahhh decisions decisions.
Oh I forgot to mention 5 minute rounds and elbows on the ground.
So we have:
never fought in U.S.
travel
boos
USA chant
cage
no magic pants
elbows
shorter rounds
Aoki is losing this. Sorry SPX.
USA
USA
Yeah I have multiple books too, but 5dimes is not funded and they have the best line. I still have not gotten the matchbook thing.
I keep meaning to do it, but never get around to it.
Can you put up a line for a fight that is not being offered? For example, could I put in an offer on one the Strikeforce undercard fights?
You'd have to go on live chat and ask them to put the fight up.I have done it several times for boxing matches.They get paid on commission so its in their best interest to put a figh up someone wants to bet but its not a sure thing they'll put it up
I got -300 and you could have too .Multiple books man ::handshake::
I have multiple books. I just don't get that Matchbook shit and I talked to someone else who said that people have complained about getting paid out by them.
Find one person that hasnt been paid by matchbook.Go to the sbrforum and see if you can find one instance of someone not getting paid,I bet you cant.I've taked to over 1000 people and everyone said matchbook is the best book out there(but thats for football and bsketball because they dont anyways have all mma lines).They get paid on commission so they dont care if you win or lose.
I've gotten a pay out from them with zero problems
Oh I forgot to mention 5 minute rounds and elbows on the ground.
You sure about that?
Aoki is losing this. Sorry SPX.
We've been through this all before. . .
http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/thumbnail_crop/600/_images/pictures/20091123065142_IMG_6599.JPG
MMA_scientist
04-16-2010, 04:07 PM
We've been through this all before. . .
weak.
You're short.
weak.
You're short.
You're fat.
weak.
You're short.
You're fat.
Your mom
It's Strikeforce aka even more watered down MMA. No elbows on the ground.
Aoki won't have his magic pants sure, but I fail to see how this is any different.
http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/thumbnail_crop/600/_images/pictures/20100221062841_DGH106812.JPG
Melendez may be a bad style matchup but all that other shit is pretty pedantic.
But if you're just trolling SPX, then by all means, please continue.
Johnny Unreliable
04-16-2010, 06:44 PM
I got tore up by Curran too and am debating dropping a few more units on melendez. I'm also really feeling hendo but the line sucks and after bullshit like the Curran fight I'm hesitant to bet it at -300 or more.
Meh we'll see if I grow some balls between now and saturday.
Only other thing I'd bet is Miller but talk about a terrible line. I really don't see him ever losing after going to a decision with shields in his last fight to fighting a 9-7 local fighter with plenty of submission losses on his record. Course I'd have to drop 50u to win 4u so that might be reason enough to stay away. It's tough because it would make back the curran loss.
Mr. IWS
04-16-2010, 07:54 PM
. It's tough because it would make back the curran loss.
I know what your sayin man. Im ready to start doubling and tripling my bets now, to make up my BJ penn losses.
Probably best to stick to the play, and use good money management though.
::handshake::
[quote="Johnny Unreliable":xx79vkrk]. It's tough because it would make back the curran loss.
I know what your sayin man. Im ready to start doubling and tripling my bets now, to make up my BJ penn losses.
Probably best to stick to the play, and use good money management though.
::handshake::[/quote:xx79vkrk]
Clearly the best solution in this case is to drop your entire bankroll on the guy Mayhem is fighting. . .
[quote="Johnny Unreliable":uqftsi8h]. It's tough because it would make back the curran loss.
I know what your sayin man. Im ready to start doubling and tripling my bets now, to make up my BJ penn losses.
Probably best to stick to the play, and use good money management though.
::handshake::
Clearly the best solution in this case is to drop your entire bankroll on the guy Mayhem is fighting. . .[/quote:uqftsi8h]
Didnt you just go on tilt and load up on Kongo not to long ago?
You're not money management 101 either ::shake::
Didnt you just go on tilt and load up on Kongo not to long ago?
You're not money management 101 either ::shake::
Dude, that was serious advice. . .
Didnt you just go on tilt and load up on Kongo not to long ago?
You're not money management 101 either ::shake::
Dude, that was serious advice. . .
Whole bankroll on a +800 dog thats always smart
Whole bankroll on a +800 dog thats always smart
Hey, if it hits big. . .
In my mind, the risk is totally worth it.
Whole bankroll on a +800 dog thats always smart
Hey, if it hits big. . .
In my mind, the risk is totally worth it.
IF it hits lol.good one ::lmao::
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IF it hits lol.good one ::lmao::
http://www.bestfightodds.com/fights/2563.png
Dude, the right choice is clear. . .
poopoo333
04-16-2010, 09:42 PM
Ok went ahead and put 3u on Melendez @-160. I was going to wait until -150 or better but everytime I wait for a better line it gets worse.
So 3u on Melendez and 1u on Mousasi.
Oh I forgot to mention 5 minute rounds and elbows on the ground.
So we have:
never fought in U.S.
travel
boos
USA chant
cage
no magic pants
elbows
shorter rounds
Aoki is losing this. Sorry SPX.
USA
USA
Your forgetting the fact that Melendez is only a purple belt in BJJ and Aoki is one of the few fighters these days who puts the fear of god into folks simply by his grappling skills. Even if Melendez uses wrestling he's at huge risk of getting subbed before he even knows whats happening. Melendez training under Cesar Gracie with the Diaz's and Shields is cool and all, but Aoki is a different animal from a different camp with different tricks. I realize this is all predicated on the fight hitting the ground but I really don't see a huge chance that it won't do just that.
Your forgetting the fact that Melendez is only a purple belt and Aoki is one of the few fighters these days who puts the fear of god into folks simply by his grappling skills. Even if Melendez uses wrestling he's at huge risk of getting subbed before he even knows whats happening.
He always does that shit to hype himself up on bets that he has doubts about. . .
I'm just saying. Looking at it like that is like saying that Aoki isn't the best pure grappler for that weight class. It's not good to try and convince yourself that your fighter is god while totally ignoring the fact that he is severely outclassed in what could be a major element of the fight. Overall grapplers tend to have more success in MMA because a grappler with shitty striking can survive alot better than a striker with shitty grappling because there are a whole lot more ways to get a fight to the ground than there are to knock a guy out before he does it.
I'll be honest I wont be surprised if Aoki or Melendez wins,I'd be a little surprised if King Mo wins and I'll be really surprised (and pissed) if Shields wins
Thewiseman
04-16-2010, 10:16 PM
Final bets
Stout .07u to win .5u
Melendez 3.1u to win 2u
King Mo 1u to win 2u
Hendo 7.9u to win 2u
I am really resisting the urge to drop 4 more units on Hendo. I hope i wake up tomorrow and he is -600 so I wont be tempted.
I'm just saying. Looking at it like that is like saying that Aoki isn't the best pure grappler for that weight class.
Well, he's not. Penn is. There's a reason Aoki stood with Shaolin. But I agree with what you're saying. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he turned Gil into a pretzel.
poopoo333
04-16-2010, 10:36 PM
I can't wait until tomorrow night. I will be +2.36 units.
Thewiseman
04-17-2010, 08:24 AM
Here is a Wiseman special for ya guys,
Magic
Cavs
Suns
Hendo
King Mo
Melendez
Cerrone
Aldo
Belcher
Kosheck
Rua
Griffin
Rampage
Barry
Franklin
.02u to win 50.16u
poopoo333
04-17-2010, 09:16 AM
Here is a Wiseman special for ya guys,
Magic
Cavs
Suns
Hendo
King Mo
Melendez
Cerrone
Aldo
Belcher
Kosheck
Rua
Griffin
Rampage
Barry
Franklin
.02u to win 50.16u
We should start a crazy parlay thread. I do them sometimes on my bodog account.
Mr. IWS
04-17-2010, 10:20 AM
Here is a Wiseman special for ya guys,
Magic
Cavs
Suns
Hendo
King Mo
Melendez
Cerrone
Aldo
Belcher
Kosheck
Rua
Griffin
Rampage
Barry
Franklin
.02u to win 50.16u
::haptime::
Here is a Wiseman special for ya guys,
Magic
Cavs
Suns
Hendo
King Mo
Melendez
Cerrone
Aldo
Belcher
Kosheck
Rua
Griffin
Rampage
Barry
Franklin
.02u to win 50.16u
::haptime::
double ::haptime:: ::haptime::
Anyone else heard the rumor going around that Hendo is injured going into the fight tonight?
poopoo333
04-17-2010, 03:10 PM
Anyone else heard the rumor going around that Hendo is injured going into the fight tonight?
No. But this is probably going to make me take Shields for a half unit. I was going to take him at +365 regardless..but +345 isn't too far off.
Anyone else heard the rumor going around that Hendo is injured going into the fight tonight?
Theres nothing wrong with Hendo
Stop reading sherdog SPX
Anyone else heard the rumor going around that Hendo is injured going into the fight tonight?
No. But this is probably going to make me take Shields for a half unit. I was going to take him at +365 regardless..but +345 isn't too far off.
I put .25u on him at +330.
Theres nothing wrong with Hendo
Stop reading sherdog SPX
Not Sherdog.
http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/04/16/s ... eview-show (http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/04/16/strikeforce-nashville-preview-show)
Starting at about 6:35. . .
poopoo333
04-17-2010, 03:18 PM
Done. 0.5u on Shields @+348
Theres nothing wrong with Hendo
Stop reading sherdog SPX
Not Sherdog.
http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/04/16/s ... eview-show (http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/04/16/strikeforce-nashville-preview-show)
Starting at about 6:35. . .
Well that explains alot ,not.
"Rumors he's injured"
Rumors from who? Whats injured ?His back? His shoulder?His fingernail? I mean could they be anymore vague on the injury or where it came from?
If Hendo was injured the fight wouldnt be going on plain and simple.Strikeforce signed Hendo to be one of the faces of their company there not going to send him out there injured
With the info they gave I could have been the one that started the injury rumor
Look dude, all I did was ask if anyone had heard the rumors.
You're right, it's not a lot of info, but I didn't say that it was.
Rumor started by the bookmakers no doubt.
Seems to have worked brilliantly.
Rumor started by the bookmakers no doubt.
Seems to have worked brilliantly.
::lmao::
Thats what I was thinking too
Mr. IWS
04-17-2010, 04:39 PM
Mayhem keepin it pimp at the weigh-ins.
http://i43.tinypic.com/261nbza.gif
poopoo333
04-17-2010, 04:40 PM
25u on Stout.
25u on Stout.
I got 50 units on him
Mayhem keepin it pimp at the weigh-ins.
http://i43.tinypic.com/261nbza.gif
LOL I saw that.
Miller: "hold this bitch"
poopoo333
04-17-2010, 06:27 PM
Here is a Wiseman special for ya guys,
Magic
Cavs
Suns
Hendo
King Mo
Melendez
Cerrone
Aldo
Belcher
Kosheck
Rua
Griffin
Rampage
Barry
Franklin
.02u to win 50.16u
10 Team Parlay #174453257 (Placed by Web)
Mixed Martial Arts (Game) Moneyline
April 17th, 2010 - Strikeforce MMA - Bridgestone Arena, Nashville, Tennessee, United States
Middleweight
Both must fight for action.
(2021) Cale Yarbrough -325 Sat@10:00p
Competitor:(2020) Josh "The Warhammer" Schockman
Mixed Martial Arts (Game) Moneyline
April 17th, 2010 - Strikeforce MMA - Bridgestone Arena, Nashville, Tennessee, United States
Strikeforce Middleweight Championship
Both must fight for action.
(2011) Jake Shields +325 Sat@11:00p
Competitor:(2010) Dan "Hendo" Henderson
Mixed Martial Arts (Game) Moneyline
April 17th, 2010 - Strikeforce MMA - Bridgestone Arena, Nashville, Tennessee, United States
Strikeforce Light Heavyweight Championship
Both must fight for action.
(2012) Gegard "The Dreamcatcher" Mousasi -250 Sat@11:00p
Competitor:(2013) Muhammed "King Mo" Lawal
Mixed Martial Arts (Game) Moneyline
April 17th, 2010 - Strikeforce MMA - Bridgestone Arena, Nashville, Tennessee, United States
Strikeforce Lightweight Championship
Both must fight for action.
(2014) Gilbert "El Nino" Melendez -160 Sat@11:00p
Competitor:(2015) Shinya "Tobikan Judan" Aoki
Mixed Martial Arts (Game) Moneyline
April 24th, 2010 - WEC 48 - ARCO Arena -Sacramento, CA
WEC Featherweight Championship
Both must fight for action.
(3001) Urijah "The California Kid" Faber +230 Apr 24/10@11:00p
Competitor:(3000) Jose "Junior" Aldo
Mixed Martial Arts (Game) Moneyline
May 8th, 2010 - Ultimate Fighting Championships 113 - Bell Centre in Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Lightweights
Both must fight for action.
(3004) Sam "Hands of Stone" Stout -200 May 08/10@10:30p
Competitor:(3005) Jeremy "Lil' Heathen" Stephens
Mixed Martial Arts (Game) Moneyline
May 8th, 2010 - Ultimate Fighting Championships 113- Bell Centre in Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Weltereweights
Both must fight for action.
(1612) Josh "Kos" Koscheck -270 May 08/10@11:00p
Competitor:(1613) Paul "Semtex" Daley
Mixed Martial Arts (Game) Moneyline
May 8th, 2010 - Ultimate Fighting Championships 113- Bell Centre in Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Light Heavyweights
Both must fight for action.
(1603) Mauricio "Shogun" Rua +165 May 08/10@11:50p
Competitor:(1602) Lyoto "The Dragon" Machida
Mixed Martial Arts (Game) Moneyline
May 29th, 2010 - Ultimate Fighting Championships 114- Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas
Light Heavyweights
Both must fight for action.
(1609) Forrest Griffin +190 May 29/10@11:00p
Competitor:(1608) Antonio Rogerio "Minotoro" Nogueira
Mixed Martial Arts (Game) Moneyline
June 12th, 2010 - Ultimate Fighting Championships 115 - Genaral Motors Place, Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
Light Heavyweights
Both must fight for action.
(3008) Chuck "Iceman" Liddell +110 Jun 12/10@11:55p
Competitor:(3009) Rich "Ace" Franklin
Risk US$ 1.08 to win US$ 1493.80
Mr. IWS
04-17-2010, 07:24 PM
Thats a hell of a pay out for a buck man, I like it.
poopoo333
04-17-2010, 07:49 PM
Thats a hell of a pay out for a buck man, I like it.
Besides the Shields bet, I really think all of the underdogs are going to win and was planning to lay single bets down on them when the time is right.
Should have just paypal'd Me a dollar and hope I'd give you $1000 ::lmao::
Man, fucking shit!
I went out and bought an antenna so I could watch this shit tonight and all my TV says is "no signal." Anyone have any ideas on what the problem is?
Do you have a converter box?
If you have a converter box, you need to turn the antenna to the direction in which the tv signal is being broadcast from. Digital is more directional than the analog was. It's also run on a threshhold kind of system. It's not like when you could get a picture with some snow, now if it isn't coming in clear enough you get nothing. If you still can't get anything with the antenna and converter box I'd suggest an amplified antenna. Radioshack has them for like $35, kind of looks like a small stand with a round ring and two antennae on the side of the ring.
That's for the info.
My TVs HD and has a converter built in.
I'm kind of down in a basement but I have a window and I've actually got the shit pointing out the window. That's the best I can do. I did another channel scan and it found two channels, both of them some Spanish bullshit.
This sucks.
Man, fucking shit!
I went out and bought an antenna so I could watch this shit tonight and all my TV says is "no signal." Anyone have any ideas on what the problem is?
My parents have a converter box and they couldnt get a signal either.I think it has to do with where you live
SPX heres your "injury" that made everyone spaz out and bet Shield,I think you got suckered
Crecy said Hendo has a congenital neck issue from wrestling, but that's not new. Anti-inflammatories made the weight cut tougher than usual
rumors of Dan Henderson having a neck injury, his man Aaron Crecy just shot it down. "I hope Shields thinks Dan is injured," he said.
::handshake::
That's for the info.
My TVs HD and has a converter built in.
I'm kind of down in a basement but I have a window and I've actually got the shit pointing out the window. That's the best I can do. I did another channel scan and it found two channels, both of them some Spanish bullshit.
This sucks.
channelsurfing or someone will have it for sure I would think
SPX heres your "injury" that made everyone spaz out and bet Shield,I think you got suckered
At the current line I was going to drop a little something on Shields anyway.
channelsurfing or someone will have it for sure I would think
Hopefully so. I will be looking.
I was excited about watching the shit in HD and actually being able to watch some other shit on the non-cable networks, though.
So Miller won in the first round via TKO ,so much for my 50 unit and SPX's entire bankroll bets on stout
So Miller won in the first round via TKO ,so much for my 50 unit and SPX's entire bankroll bets on stout
Damn it!
Guess I'm starting over from scratch. So what the fuck? That's not a televised fight?
It'll get televised if one of the main event fights ends quick.
So Miller won in the first round via TKO ,so much for my 50 unit and SPX's entire bankroll bets on stout
Damn it!
Guess I'm starting over from scratch. So what the fuck? That's not a televised fight?
Yeah it will be televised I think ,all 3 minutes and 9 seconds of it
Really want to bet Kelly Pavlik tonight but I got 6 units out on Hendo and 9 on Mayweather.If the Hendo fight ends before 11pm I might hurry up and bet it,maybe not
Really want to bet Kelly Pavlik tonight but I got 6 units out on Hendo and 9 on Mayweather.If the Hendo fight ends before 11pm I might hurry up and bet it,maybe not
Has your definition of "unit" changed? It seems you've been using it in a different fashion lately.
Really want to bet Kelly Pavlik tonight but I got 6 units out on Hendo and 9 on Mayweather.If the Hendo fight ends before 11pm I might hurry up and bet it,maybe not
Has your definition of "unit" changed? It seems you've been using it in a different fashion lately.
What do you mean?I havent changed anything.If when I said I got 6 and 9 out on Hendo and Mayweather they are both -300 so they are only to win 2 and 3 units.I still only make 1,2 and 3 unit plays but I always play to win 1,2,3 units which is the same I always have so I'm not sure what u mean
If I bet a favorite thats -200 and I say I betting 2 units on it that means I'm betting to win 2 units.If I say I'm betting 1 unit on a +200 dog I'm betting 100 to win 200.
I have been typing out my bet lately to cut out confusion ,at least I thought I was lol
If I bet a favorite thats -200 and I say I betting 2 units on it that means I'm betting to win 2 units.If I say I'm betting 1 unit on a +200 dog I'm betting 100 to win 200.
I have been typing out my bet lately to cut out confusion ,at least I thought I was lol
Right, well that's what confused me. When you say you have 6 on Hendo, that doesn't mean you have enough out there to win 6, but that's what it usually means. . . Right?
Damn, I'm surprised this is the first fight they're showing. I thought it would be Gil/Aoki.
WAR MOUSASIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!
If I bet a favorite thats -200 and I say I betting 2 units on it that means I'm betting to win 2 units.If I say I'm betting 1 unit on a +200 dog I'm betting 100 to win 200.
I have been typing out my bet lately to cut out confusion ,at least I thought I was lol
Right, well that's what confused me. When you say you have 6 on Hendo, that doesn't mean you have enough out there to win 6, but that's what it usually means. . . Right?
yeah sorry for the confusion .I have to win 2 units on Hendo 6 to win 2 but in reality if I lose I lose 6 units thats why I said I had 6 units out there tonight.I have 6 to win 2 on Hendo at -300 ::handshake::
Me and Zak understand each other because we bet the same way but some how we confusion everyone else
Damn, I'm surprised this is the first fight they're showing. I thought it would be Gil/Aoki.
WAR MOUSASIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!
i knew this was first .So you found a stream I guess?
i knew this was first .So you found a stream I guess?
I did, thankfully.
yeah sorry for the confusion .I have to win 2 units on Hendo 6 to win 2 but in reality if I lose I lose 6 units thats why I said I had 6 units out there tonight.I have 6 to win 2 on Hendo at -300 ::handshake::
Me and Zak understand each other because we bet the same way but some how we confusion everyone else
Basically, from what I've gathered, you guys speak in terms of "to win" and the rest of us speak in terms of "to risk."
This one's my MUST WIN for the night. I can lose the other two and still be okay as long as I win this one.
FUCK it looks like King Mo is gassing
Round one king mo but he may tire
FUCK it looks like King Mo is gassing
thats what I thought too
Svino
04-17-2010, 09:22 PM
Mo looks tired. But LOL at "he's got to win all 5 of these rounds."
Mo looks tired. But LOL at "he's got to win all 5 of these rounds."
I always thought you only had to win 3 to win but strikeforce must have different rules lol
1-1 after two cant see king mo winning this
Svino
04-17-2010, 09:27 PM
Mo needs to focus on Lay & Pray here. Get Mousasi to the ground and then play better defense.
your high, Luke. Mo has won all three rounds so far. Mousasi had only one dominant position the entire time here and that was the last 20 seconds of round 2.
Not sure what the fuck Mousasi's plan was that round.
your high, Luke. Mo has won all three rounds so far. Mousasi had only one dominant position the entire time here and that was the last 20 seconds of round 2.
you're high if you think Mo won round 2 .Mousasi out stuck him 35-10 .Just because he was on top doesnt mean he won
your high, Luke. Mo has won all three rounds so far. Mousasi had only one dominant position the entire time here and that was the last 20 seconds of round 2.
You'd give Mo round 2 even though he got outstruck like 1000 to 1?
If GSP wins fights by multiple takedowns each round without doing any damage, then Mo is winning every round of this fight so far.
If GSP wins fights by multiple takedowns each round without doing any damage, then Mo is winning every round of this fight so far.
So if Mo lays on him the whole round and land nothing and Mousasi lands 35 strikes he still loses the round?Cecil Peoples is that you LOL
Strikes from the bottom count for shit.
Svino
04-17-2010, 09:38 PM
I give Mousasi the 2nd, but it doesn't matter. It's now 3-1 King Mo, and Mousasi doesn't have the juice to finish. Mo has it.
This is gay.
Mousasi better knock his ass out in the 5th.
Strikes from the bottom count for shit.
Never knew Cecil People posted here.Nice to meet you.
Saying strikes from the bottom mean nothing is stupid.Ask Alves against Fitch what they mean
I give Mousasi the 2nd, but it doesn't matter. It's now 3-1 King Mo, and Mousasi doesn't have the juice to finish. Mo has it.
I scored it the same but people who bet on thier fighters are biased
Mo wins. that point deduction just sealed it barring knockout or submission
Mo wins. that point deduction just sealed it barring knockout or submission
Yeah as long as it goes to the bell Mo wins
Svino
04-17-2010, 09:43 PM
Well, in full disclosure, I have a small bet on Mo.
I've noticed they just don't give warnings anymore for that shit.
King Mo, new strikeforce light heavyweight champion.
because it's a conscious thing. Mo was on both knees and was only posturing up when he fired the kick.
Svino
04-17-2010, 09:46 PM
Yeah, but this is a case where the point deduction was totally irrelevant. Heck, he should have given him a huge boot to the groin.
If either fighter had come in in with even half a gas tank, they would have won easily.
Well bye-bye 3 units.
I guess you guys were right about Mo.
There's no way I can win money tonight and it's possible this is going to worse night for me than Marquardt night.
FUCK!
Yeah I don't know what the deal is here. Mousasi went almost 3 full rounds with Sokoudjou, and now both he AND Mo looked done by the end of round 2. Wierd.
Was I the only one with money on Mousasi here?
poopoo333
04-17-2010, 09:50 PM
Thanks for giving the fight away mousasi.thanks for losing me a unit
Yeah I don't know what the deal is here. Mousasi went almost 3 full rounds with Sokoudjou, and now both he AND Mo looked done by the end of round 2. Wierd.
The script probably had Mo winning so they can make more money in a rematch
What script are you talking about?
Absolutely shitty performance by Mousasi.
Yeah, let big dumb King Mo put an end to your 15 fight win streak.
What script are you talking about?
LOL I was just making a refence to saying it was fixed so they could have a rematch thats what I meant by "the script".Obv no one got the joke ::lmao::
poopoo333
04-17-2010, 09:56 PM
Hendo vs mo next. No other lhw in strikeforce
Svino
04-17-2010, 10:00 PM
Strikeforce doesn't have many good LHW's, but I could see "Moneyweight" Mo doing some heavyweight matches.
I hate having to root for that little Jap bastard. . .
Svino
04-17-2010, 10:03 PM
"American athletes are far stronger than Japanese athletes."
He should have said what he really meant - "American athletes are much better at dehydrating themselves than Japanese athletes."
King Mo = King Lay and Pray
Mousasi= buns against a guy half gassed who can't pass his guard
King Mo = King Lay and Pray
::lmao:: so true
Mousasi= buns against a guy half gassed who can't pass his guard
Pretty sure you were comparing what GSP does to what Mo was doing earlier in the thread.
Talking probation.
But yes you're right, Mousasi looked like ass after the 2nd round.
But yes you're right, Mousasi looked like ass after the 2nd round.
What was the fuck was he even doing? Where was the taking control of the fight that he said he was going to do after the first couple of rounds? Even on the feet he looked like shit and that's his thing.
But yes you're right, Mousasi looked like ass after the 2nd round.
What was the fuck was he even doing? Where was the taking control of the fight that he said he was going to do after the first couple of rounds? Even on the feet he looked like shit and that's his thing.
Losing
But yes you're right, Mousasi looked like ass after the 2nd round.
What was the fuck was he even doing? Where was the taking control of the fight that he said he was going to do after the first couple of rounds? Even on the feet he looked like shit and that's his thing.
Probably had a sinus infection.
Svino
04-17-2010, 10:19 PM
I could tell Mousasi was low on gas even at the end of the 1st round. I don't know WTF happened to him. I'd say I got lucky with the King Mo pick. I mean, I knew his stamina was questionable.
Probably had a sinus infection.
::lmao:: ::lmao:: ::lmao:: ::lmao:: ::lmao::
It's pretty clear to me that I had no business betting on this card.
These guys are the worst announcers in the world. Just embarrassingly bad.
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