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Anthony Peterson -165
1.65 units to win 1
This is on at 10pm on HBO
Mr. IWS
09-11-2010, 08:29 PM
Oh, sorry, wrong forum.
lol, gl tonight my man.
1.7u to win 1u
Who are you betting?
Who are you betting?
Peterson
Who else?
Who are you betting?
Peterson
Who else?
LOL I was just fucking with you
LOL I was just fucking with you
Ha!
I was gonna say, it's not like I know anyone else fighting tonight.
LOL I was just fucking with you
Ha!
I was gonna say, it's not like I know anyone else fighting tonight.
that was the joke
that was the joke
Shut your fucking mouth.
Shut your fucking mouth.
tell your mom that
Yikes! I took the other side.
2 units on Rios @ +145 and 3 units on the over @ -150.
Yikes! I took the other side.
2 units on Rios @ +145 and 3 units on the over @ -150.
GL ::handshake::
Yikes! I took the other side.
2 units on Rios @ +145 and 3 units on the over @ -150.
good call on Rios man . Sorry about the over
Damn it! All Peterson had to do was survive a couple more rounds. And not get disqualified. Lost some respect for Peterson there, was looking for a way out.
Keep a look out for the Mosley-Mora opening line. Mora will be a decent dog, and Mora will have a GREAT shot at beating Mosley.
poopoo333
09-12-2010, 12:19 AM
Damn it! All Peterson had to do was survive a couple more rounds. And not get disqualified. Lost some respect for Peterson there, was looking for a way out.
Keep a look out for the Mosley-Mora opening line. Mora will be a decent dog, and Mora will have a GREAT shot at beating Mosley.
Light Middleweight 12 rounds - Staples Center, Los Angeles, California - HBO PPV
Sat 9/18 101 Sergio Mora +250
11:00PM 102 Shane Mosley -325
Damn it! All Peterson had to do was survive a couple more rounds. And not get disqualified. Lost some respect for Peterson there, was looking for a way out.
Yeah Peterson just wanted a way out . I knew he was going to lose when he started fighting Rios's fight in the second round
Good call ::handshake::
Keep a look out for the Mosley-Mora opening line. Mora will be a decent dog, and Mora will have a GREAT shot at beating Mosley.
Mosley opened at -365 and has been bet down to -325 now.
You know its next week ?
Damn it! All Peterson had to do was survive a couple more rounds. And not get disqualified. Lost some respect for Peterson there, was looking for a way out.
Keep a look out for the Mosley-Mora opening line. Mora will be a decent dog, and Mora will have a GREAT shot at beating Mosley.
Light Middleweight 12 rounds - Staples Center, Los Angeles, California - HBO PPV
Sat 9/18 101 Sergio Mora +250
11:00PM 102 Shane Mosley -325
LOL ninja'd by poopoo
Good work poopoo ::handshake::
Damn it! All Peterson had to do was survive a couple more rounds. And not get disqualified. Lost some respect for Peterson there, was looking for a way out.
Keep a look out for the Mosley-Mora opening line. Mora will be a decent dog, and Mora will have a GREAT shot at beating Mosley.
Light Middleweight 12 rounds - Staples Center, Los Angeles, California - HBO PPV
Sat 9/18 101 Sergio Mora +250
11:00PM 102 Shane Mosley -325
poopoo, is that line @ 5D? I have no clue how it will move, but i think Mora has good value there.
^^^ Its been going down and yes its 5dimes
No longer have a 5D. account. Had a bit of a problem with them last year. I guess Bodog and Sportsbook will open the line early next week. I will bet Mora at his current line.
fuck it I'm taking Mosley.
2.45 units to win 1
I dont see what everyone else sees in Mora
What do you think of Mosely by decision at even odds?
Mr. IWS
09-18-2010, 07:04 PM
fuck it I'm taking Mosley.
2.45 units to win 1
I dont see what everyone else sees in Mora
::handshake::
What do you think of Mosely by decision at even odds?
no opinion on that , sorry I was at the movies
These announcers have it 5-0 Mora after 5 lol ::lmao::
YoungTRK484
09-18-2010, 11:31 PM
Fight is over. Mora hasn't won a round yet and there's no way he can win with a KO. 7-0 Azucar lol aka Sugar.
After 8 these announcers are acting like Mosley hasnt won a single round ::lmao::
I have it 6-2 Mosley and these announcers have it 8-0 Mora .This is funny shit
"Mora's dominating "
omg who are these guys ::lmao::
Fight is over. Mora hasn't won a round yet and there's no way he can win with a KO. 7-0 Azucar lol aka Sugar.
Are you watching the same stream I am ?
http://channelsurfing.net/watch-boxing.html
The announcers on my stream are on crack
YoungTRK484
09-18-2010, 11:40 PM
Fight is over. Mora hasn't won a round yet and there's no way he can win with a KO. 7-0 Azucar lol aka Sugar.
Are you watching the same stream I am ?
http://channelsurfing.net/watch-boxing.html
The announcers on my stream are on crack
Yes same stream. I thought my audio was messed up or that I was hearing things. They need to lay off the medkicinal marijuana. I have it 8-1.
YoungTRK484
09-18-2010, 11:42 PM
The live chat on ESPN is hilarious. A sample:
Franklin McNeil: This is a shame. Mosley wins the fifth round. What else is new? This is one of the worst fights I have seen this year, maybe the worst -- considering it's the main event of a PPV. $44.95.
^^^ What are these announcers watching that they have Mora up in almost a shutout?
Mor'as landed 37 punches through 9 rounds
The live chat on ESPN is hilarious. A sample:
Franklin McNeil: This is a shame. Mosley wins the fifth round. What else is new? This is one of the worst fights I have seen this year, maybe the worst -- considering it's the main event of a PPV. $44.95.
Yeah its a bad fight . I missed the Baldo-Alvarez fight that I wanted to see
"mosley trying to rally "
" I have Mora up 9-1 "
OMFG ::lmao:: this shit is great
This fight sucks.
Not if you're betting it ::thumbup::
I always say I want a boring fight when I'm betting it
YoungTRK484
09-18-2010, 11:48 PM
"I'm struggling to find a round to give to Mosley." Gotta be kidding me.
::lolzorz::
11th round was a good one, finally.
So what are the chances the judges agree with the announcers? Your boy Iole has Mosely barely winning, Luke.
YoungTRK484
09-18-2010, 11:51 PM
117-111, just like you called Luke.
Mora got the 7th, 11th, and 12th IMO.
So what are the chances the judges agree with the announcers? Your boy Iole has Mosely barely winning, Luke.
Lole has been pretty bad at scoring lately . I like him but he's been off his game .
I predicted 117-111 before the fight and I'm sticking with that score ( maybe a 116-112 though ) for Mosley
LOL a draw you got to be kidding me ::lmao::
YoungTRK484
09-18-2010, 11:54 PM
Holyyyyyy Shit. A Draw?!?!?!?!
::thumbdown:: ::lmao:: ::thumbdown:: ::lmao::
I didn't watch the whole fight, but I see everyone who's not normally retarded is calling it a robbery.
ok I'm done arguing . I'm cleaning up this thread because I plan to use it for a while for my picks
And Luke, why are you bitching at me in another thread(Triathlete Vegas) when I am trying to help him out?
What in gods name are you talking about ? I was asking you what lines are on the printouts because when I was out there they had 2 event on the board. I was trying to figure out what was on the prinout sheet .Are you always trying to start an arguement?
HELLO? Hello?
what kind of futures are you talking about arent on the board ?
6 months from now lines or 2 events from now or all MMA lines?
That is your post. I am not the one looking to argue. I simply told him to go ask for a printout from an employee. It is actually quite simple. I was just trying to help the dude out.
HELLO? Hello?
what kind of futures are you talking about arent on the board ?
6 months from now lines or 2 events from now or all MMA lines?
That is your post. I am not the one looking to argue. I simply told him to go ask for a printout from an employee. It is actually quite simple. I was just trying to help the dude out.
Just dont respond to my posts anymore please ::handshake::
HELLO? Hello?
what kind of futures are you talking about arent on the board ?
6 months from now lines or 2 events from now or all MMA lines?
That is your post. I am not the one looking to argue. I simply told him to go ask for a printout from an employee. It is actually quite simple. I was just trying to help the dude out.
Just dont respond to my posts anymore please ::handshake::
OK, if that was just me being defensive I apologize. from now on, i will just make sure i am on the other side of the street when you and your boys are walking on it.
Doug Fischer of Ring Magazine...
I did the international broadcast of Saturday’s pay-per-view card with Dave Bontempo and we both thought Mora won the fight, although we weren’t surprised that there was a scoring disparity among the official judges; it was a difficult fight to score. Bontempo scored it 115-113 for Mora just as official judge Kermit Bayless did. I thought Mora won by a much wider spread, 117-111. I scored the first nine rounds for the Latin Snake and the final three rounds for Mosley. Were there earlier rounds that could have gone to Mosley? Absolutely. Rounds one, three and four could have just as easily been rounds for the 39-year-old vet. And had I scored those rounds for him my card would look like yours. However, I asked myself who was more “effective” in those rounds and I thought Mora was doing exactly what he wanted to do -- and scoring whenever he wanted to -- while Mosley was clearly frustrated and not getting off with any kind of leverage or power. In short, the first nine rounds of the fight was a Sergio Mora fight (which is why we heard so many boos from the crowd); not a Shane Mosley fight.
However, most of the ringside press scored the fight as you and official judge Lou Moret did.
RingTV.com co-editor Michael Rosenthal, The L.A. Times’ Lance Pugmire, MaxBoxing.com’s Gabe Montoya, and Fightnews.com’s Francisco Salazar all scored the bout 114-114. So you are in very good company, Bim.
David Avila, of the Riverside Press-Enterprise, scored it 115-113 for Mora, as Bontempo did.
Yahoo.com’s Kevin Iole, Robert Morales, of the L.A. Daily News, and HBO.com’s Peter Nelson scored it 115-113 for Mosley.
THE RING’s Ivan Goldman and Tim Smith, of the New York Daily News, scored the bout 1116-112 for Mosley, as official judge David Denkin did.
ESPN.com’s Dan Rafael scored it 117-111 for Mosley.
The scores were all over the place but the majority of press row either scored it a draw or had it 7-5 in rounds for either guy.
MaxBoxing boss Steve Kim had the best answer when I asked him for his score of the fight. K9 replied: “I got bored and stopped scoring it after a few rounds.”
^^^ Well at least the nigga backed his shit up. Where are the sources, though?
Sources?
Yeah, like where did all that shit you just posted come from? I'm not calling you out or anything. I'm just saying that people are going to want to know what you got that from.
Sources?
Yeah, like where did all that shit you just posted come from? I'm not calling you out or anything. I'm just saying that people are going to want to know what you got that from.
Doug Fischer from Ring magazine. Or can be found at RingTV.com. under Dougies mailbag.
He also makes a very good point in the answer of another question. That is that as TOUGH and durable as Shane has been throughout his carreer. He is getting the look of a fighter who is about to get knocked out. It happens to the best of fighters. All of a sudden(maybe not so sudden) a nearly granite chinned fighter just gets his clock cleaned. To me, Shane looked ready to go against Floyd, and I bet Floyd by decision there...but was very worried.
It will be interesting to see who Shane is matched up with. I think a fighter like Berto could be HUGE trouble for Shane at this point in his carreer.
Doug Fischer from Ring magazine. Or can be found at RingTV.com. under Dougies mailbag.
Did you hand type all that or copy and paste it from somewhere?
Doug Fischer from Ring magazine. Or can be found at RingTV.com. under Dougies mailbag.
Did you hand type all that or copy and paste it from somewhere?
copied it.
I will not post actual links, for the fear of my computer might be full of nasty viruses.
http://www.ringtv.com/blog/2343/dougies ... a_mailbag/ (http://www.ringtv.com/blog/2343/dougies_massive_mosleymora_mailbag/)
I would not actual click that. just paste it.
What's your paranoia about clicking links?
What's your paranoia about clicking links?
My computer is laced with every virus you can imagine. Would hate if someone picked up a virus from a link I post.
My computer is laced with every virus you can imagine. Would hate if someone picked up a virus from a link I post.
How's a virus going to be built into a link? If that's some new tech shit the kids are doing then I haven't heard of it.
Besides, if you know you comp is all fucked up, why don't you clean it up?
My computer is laced with every virus you can imagine. Would hate if someone picked up a virus from a link I post.
How's a virus going to be built into a link? If that's some new tech shit the kids are doing then I haven't heard of it.
Besides, if you know you comp is all fucked up, why don't you clean it up?
Because I am lazy as hell when it comes to that. I was sorta exaggerating it a bit. And I know plenty of people who got viruses from clicking on links.
What's your paranoia about clicking links?
My computer is laced with every virus you can imagine. Would hate if someone picked up a virus from a link I post.
::lolzorz::
Because I am lazy as hell when it comes to that. I was sorta exaggerating it a bit. And I know plenty of people who got viruses from clicking on links.
If my shit was as infected as you say yours is, I'd just reinstall.
Check out Ishida vs. Alvarez. In Mexico. Alvarez is a nice dog play here for sure. Might drop 2 or 3 units on him.
BTW, Alvarez is Sauls brother.
the more I think about it, I think this line is just plain wrong.
Check out Ishida vs. Alvarez. In Mexico. Alvarez is a nice dog play here for sure. Might drop 2 or 3 units on him.
BTW, Alvarez is Sauls brother.
the more I think about it, I think this line is just plain wrong.
GL on the play man . ::handshake::
I'm very busy lately so I havent checked out much of anything and probably wont have time to look at this either
Check out Ishida vs. Alvarez. In Mexico. Alvarez is a nice dog play here for sure. Might drop 2 or 3 units on him.
BTW, Alvarez is Sauls brother.
the more I think about it, I think this line is just plain wrong.
GL on the play man . ::handshake::
I'm very busy lately so I havent checked out much of anything and probably wont have time to look at this either
Yea, I am kinda with you. And Boxing has been slim as of late.
I think I'm taking Abraham against Froch for a decent sized play next month .Thoughts?
And you were right about the Pascal-Hopkins line .Pascal is a huge favorite
(-320)
Fight scares me. First, i am terrible when it comes to Froch, not betting, but just gauging how good he is. I bet him against Taylor because I thought Taylor was done, and I bet against him against Dirrell and Kess. I thought he looked like shit against Taylor and Dirrell. But I thought he actually looked pretty good against Kess. I just do not trust my judgement on that fight.
Pascal @ 3 to 1 seems to high. Hell, I might make a small play on Bhop with that line.
Fight scares me. First, i am terrible when it comes to Froch, not betting, but just gauging how good he is. I bet him against Taylor because I thought Taylor was done, and I bet against him against Dirrell and Kess. I thought he looked like shit against Taylor and Dirrell. But I thought he actually looked pretty good against Kess. I just do not trust my judgement on that fight.
I had Taylor vs Froch and lost . I didnt bet him against Dirrell but I didnt take Kessler against Froch so I'm 1-1 in his fights. I like Arthur but would like to lay around -130 or less instead of -175. Most euro books have Abraham at -120 which I'd gladly take. Its still over a month away so I have plenty of time to look at it more closer
Pascal @ 3 to 1 seems to high. Hell, I might make a small play on Bhop with that line.
Yeah thats way too high imo. Hopkins by decision at big + money or even Hopkins +250 might be a decent bet .I want to re look at his last fights again first ,I mean he is 112 years old now
Fight scares me. First, i am terrible when it comes to Froch, not betting, but just gauging how good he is. I bet him against Taylor because I thought Taylor was done, and I bet against him against Dirrell and Kess. I thought he looked like shit against Taylor and Dirrell. But I thought he actually looked pretty good against Kess. I just do not trust my judgement on that fight.
I had Taylor vs Froch and lost . I didnt bet him against Dirrell but I didnt take Kessler against Froch so I'm 1-1 in his fights. I like Arthur but would like to lay around -130 or less instead of -175. Most euro books have Abraham at -120 which I'd gladly take. Its still over a month away so I have plenty of time to look at it more closer
Pascal @ 3 to 1 seems to high. Hell, I might make a small play on Bhop with that line.
Yeah thats way too high imo. Hopkins by decision at big + money or even Hopkins +250 might be a decent bet .I want to re look at his last fights again first ,I mean he is 112 years old now
Yea, but when you look at it, that was not really a bad bet. I thought I had a loser all the way till the end. I thought Taylor made him look silly the first 6 to 8 rounds. I was just really surprised @ how good he looked in the Kessler fight.
Yea, i think I might go with something like a 1 unit Hop bet plus.5 unit by decision bet.
Check out Ishida vs. Alvarez. In Mexico. Alvarez is a nice dog play here for sure. Might drop 2 or 3 units on him.
BTW, Alvarez is Sauls brother.
the more I think about it, I think this line is just plain wrong.
Alvarez won by split decision.
Mr. IWS
10-10-2010, 10:00 AM
Good call man
Check out Ishida vs. Alvarez. In Mexico. Alvarez is a nice dog play here for sure. Might drop 2 or 3 units on him.
BTW, Alvarez is Sauls brother.
the more I think about it, I think this line is just plain wrong.
Alvarez won by split decision.
::thumbup:: ::thumbup::
MMA_scientist
10-11-2010, 04:59 PM
Fri 10/15 101 Nagy Aguilera +175
11:30PM 102 Antonio Tarver -245
Fri 10/15 501 Jesse Brinkley +850
9:00PM 502 Lucian Bute -1300
Fri 10/15 521 Omar Sheika +650
8:00PM 522 Adrian Diaconu -1350
Sat 10/16 501 Shannon Briggs +950 o9½ +180
4:00PM 502 Vitali Klitschko -1700 u9½ -260
Sat 10/16 801 Martin Concepcion +255
4:00PM 802 Sam Webb -365
Sat 10/16 831 Jamie Arthur +140
2:00PM 832 Kris Matthew Hughes -180
Anything to see here?
here is what my boxing pro tells me:
"Scientist,
You have Klitchko vs Shannon Briggs this weekend.
Think should be another stoppage victory for the Klits. Basically Shannons only path to victory is a lucky punch. Shannon is built like a bulldozer, but posses the stamina of a 10 yr old. I figure he should be pretty tired by the time he's walked to the ring. Klit is going to stop Shannon. Now i have had a look around at the odds.
1.20 - Fight does not go the distance (paddy power)
1.22 - Klit wins by stoppage (paddy power)
I did get klit for 1.3 (Betfair, its an exchange). I figure if the odds are not that great i will probably put some more money on the fight not going the distance just incase xmas comes early for shannon.
Currently i have done the following
2u - klit by stoppage
2u - Fight does not go distance
Will probably throw down another 4 units closer to the fight pending what the odds say
forgot you have Lucian Bute (1.08) vs Jesse Brinkley (11)
Bute wins this anyway he wants to I know Jesse has improved, but i do not view him as world class. I did think the odds are slightly in too much favor of Bute as I think he is overatted but he should have more then enough for Jesse. Will probably do a parlay with this and klit"
I pretty much agree with everythinghe said. Vitali should win by stoppage. And Bute SHOULD win, but that line is obscene.
Tarver has alot of question marks, and he should win, BUT I am thinking about a small bet on Nagy.
Hughes has NEVER faced anyone as good as Arthur(not that he is great). But that line might be a tad off.
Antonio Tarver -190 1.9 to win 1 unit
Mr. IWS
10-15-2010, 04:10 PM
Antonio Tarver -190 1.9 to win 1 unit
::handshake::
MMA_scientist
10-15-2010, 04:25 PM
Mason "The Line" Dixon almost lost to a 60 year old.
Not sure I would bet him.
I am starting to think the Klit-Briggs fight may go fairly deep...at least 9 rounds...maybe even a decision for Klit.
Klit has not stopped someone before the last 3rd of the fight in some time. And Briggs is pretty tough, and may fight a pretty conservative fight. I might take a stab at the over here.
^^^^I wouldnt go too big on that briggs is a huge gas can
Antonio Tarver -190 1.9 to win 1 unit
::moneybag::
Tarver looked like crap at HW but got an easy win against a can
+1.0
Took the over 7 1/2 on the Klit-Briggs fight 2 units @ +105.
Mr. IWS
10-16-2010, 06:36 AM
Antonio Tarver -190 1.9 to win 1 unit
::moneybag::
Tarver looked like crap at HW but got an easy win against a can
+1.0
Nice job man.
Took the over 7 1/2 on the Klit-Briggs fight 2 units @ +105.
+ 2.1 units.
Took the over 7 1/2 on the Klit-Briggs fight 2 units @ +105.
+ 2.1 units.
good call.I didnt see it but it didnt sound like much of a fight
Took the over 7 1/2 on the Klit-Briggs fight 2 units @ +105.
+ 2.1 units.
good call.I didnt see it but it didnt sound like much of a fight
Kinda went the way I expected. Klit dominated but took no unnecessary risks. He really has become more like his younger brother. the over might become the right play on most of his upcoming fights. if priced accordingly.
^^^^ I had the over in the Wlad -Eddie Chambers fight so I know what you mean
^^^^ I had the over in the Wlad -Eddie Chambers fight so I know what you mean
So did I. That was actually a very large vegas bet for me. I was actually surprised he got Eddie out of there in the last second. The fight saddened me a bit though, because I am a pretty big Chambers fan.
Luke you have a preference in the over/under in the Pac-Marg. fight.
I love the under on the Lopez-Marquez fight. -150 is a bit steep when it comes to the over unders with me. But i think Lopez has a legit shot of blowing him out.
Luke you have a preference in the over/under in the Pac-Marg. fight.
I'd lean over right now but not really a strong feeling on it . I havent looked at the fight too hard yet to tell you the truth. I was also looking at Manny by decision @ +330 but still need to look at the fight alot more
I love the under on the Lopez-Marquez fight. -150 is a bit steep when it comes to the over unders with me. But i think Lopez has a legit shot of blowing him out.
Yeah I dont give Marquez much of any chance in that fight but that O/U is
-200 now.
Bodog has it at -150
Never used them before
They are replaying the Klito-Briggs and Brinkley-Bute fights on ESPN today at 2pm in case anyone wanted to see them. I'm going to DVR them
Just watched the replay of Klits-Briggs . Briggs stood a 0% chance of winning that fight. Also the fight should have been stopped in the 10th round
Zab Judah -175
3.5 units to win 2
Mr. IWS
11-05-2010, 03:00 PM
Zab Judah -175
3.5 units to win 2
::handshake::
All I know about Zab Judah is he had a close fight with PBF, then punched him in the nuts and a riot broke out.
[youtube:1v3du1vr]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLgYcvC1QJA[/youtube:1v3du1vr]
Is he gonna win, Luke?
Well I certainly hope so or I lose my bet
All I know about Zab Judah is he had a close fight with PBF, then punched him in the nuts and a riot broke out.
[youtube:1yd08hdy]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLgYcvC1QJA[/youtube:1yd08hdy]
That was awesome I loved it ::thumbup::
Mr. IWS
11-05-2010, 03:35 PM
The Costa Zuh (sp) fight was one of the funnier Zab Judah moments for me.
LOL at that vid.
Mayweather had a look on his face like "what the fuck?" when everyone started storming into the ring.
Really like that bet Luke, talent wise, Zab is on a whole other level. And he finally seems to be seriuos about his carreer(knock on wood).
I am also taking Johnson tomm. night as well.
Really like that bet Luke, talent wise, Zab is on a whole other level. And he finally seems to be seriuos about his carreer(knock on wood).
I am also taking Johnson tomm. night as well.
I think Zab will win by a wide decision or KO
I'm still deciding on Johnson or not I dont know if the weight cut is going to affect him on not. Johnson is without a doubt more talented ,faster and throws more punches than Green I'm still looking at it. Also thinking about Lopez inside the distance against Marquez
The Costa Zuh (sp) fight was one of the funnier Zab Judah moments for me.
Zab Judah does the chicken dance against Kostya Tszyu.
Enjoy:
[youtube:10wqta8c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o7A3rMN6Co[/youtube:10wqta8c]
It was later determined what Zab said to the ref while he was doing the chicken dance and was out of his mind was:
Tell SPX's mom I'll still be over later
^^^ Luke, that's pure tomfoolery.
Really like that bet Luke, talent wise, Zab is on a whole other level. And he finally seems to be seriuos about his carreer(knock on wood).
I am also taking Johnson tomm. night as well.
FYI Johnson made 168 just fine and looked good at the weigh in . One of the reasons I wasnt sure about betting him is becuase of the weight cut. I'm heading out for most of the day but when I get back I may bet Johnson
Took johnson 1.65 units @ -165, and 1 unit Johnson by decision @ +200.
Took johnson 1.65 units @ -165, and 1 unit Johnson by decision @ +200.
GL man ::handshake::
Adding Juan Manuel Lopez -340
3.4 units to win 1
YoungTRK484
11-07-2010, 08:37 AM
Zab Judah -175
3.5 units to win 2
Probably closer than what you wanted or what I expected, but nice call!
Mr. IWS
11-07-2010, 09:51 AM
War black Jew!
Zab Judah -175
3.5 units to win 2
Probably closer than what you wanted or what I expected, but nice call!
LOl yes and yes .
Zab Judah -175
3.5 units to win 2 ::moneybag::
Juan Manuel Lopez -340
3.4 units to win 1 ::moneybag::
2-0 +3 units
Took johnson 1.65 units @ -165, and 1 unit Johnson by decision @ +200.
Great call on Johnson man ,who would have ever thought he'd win by KO though?
MMA_scientist
11-10-2010, 01:39 PM
Luke, sbjj:
"4u (1.25) on George Grove - He our Olympic Gold Medalist rival. He is fighting an undeafeted banger in Kenny Anderson who did not look too great in his last two fights. Considering the amount of money they will make fighting DeGale in the future i dont think they would have taken this fight if they believe it to be too risky."
Yay or Nay?
Luke, sbjj:
"4u (1.25) on George Grove - He our Olympic Gold Medalist rival. He is fighting an undeafeted banger in Kenny Anderson who did not look too great in his last two fights. Considering the amount of money they will make fighting DeGale in the future i dont think they would have taken this fight if they believe it to be too risky."
Yay or Nay?
I dont see -400 anywhere I see -700 . I dont know anything about either guy though sorry
Grove should win for sure...but the line is just way too high for me.
Chexk out the Davies-Hall fight. Davies has a great shot, and is the underdog.
Johnny Unreliable
11-10-2010, 07:33 PM
Didn't know where to put this. Don't really watch too much boxing so I need some help...
Does Margarito have much of a chance against Pac? My book has Margarito at +400 and I know he's the much bigger man with something to prove where as Pac looks to have his hands full on 24/7 with appearances and being in the Senate. Any chance he's taking Margarito lightly? Granted Margarito looked like shit against Mosley but supposedly he cut 30lbs over the course of camp so thats not unexpected.
I just keep thinking one of these days he's going to take on a guy thats just too big for him....course I thought Cotto might have been the guy and he got killed so...
Didn't know where to put this. Don't really watch too much boxing so I need some help...
Does Margarito have much of a chance against Pac? My book has Margarito at +400 and I know he's the much bigger man with something to prove where as Pac looks to have his hands full on 24/7 with appearances and being in the Senate. Any chance he's taking Margarito lightly? Granted Margarito looked like shit against Mosley but supposedly he cut 30lbs over the course of camp so thats not unexpected.
I just keep thinking one of these days he's going to take on a guy thats just too big for him....course I thought Cotto might have been the guy and he got killed so...
I dont think Margarito stands any chance of winning
Do not get sucked into the 24/7 hype. Freddie and company are doing all they can to make this seem like it is somewhat close. The SPEED difference here is going to be SOOOO huge. If Manny is in decent shape, i doubt Marg. even gets more than a dozen decent shots on him.
REMEMBER, Marg. is not a big puncher, he is a volume puncher who wears down his opponents through multiple rounds of punishment. he will not land like that on Pac.
Hey Luke, what is your opinion on Antonio and his loaded gloves. My opinion is this...most of the evidence points to him having loaded gloves(IMO) in MOST of his big wins(Cotto, Citron). Just look at the way he busted those dudes up with his slow ass volume punches. I am almost sure that Marg. is a tough DECENT fighter who cheated to get some of his better wins. i think without the aid of it, he stands little chance of really inflicting that kind of damage on Pac.
Do not get sucked into the 24/7 hype. Freddie and company are doing all they can to make this seem like it is somewhat close. The SPEED difference here is going to be SOOOO huge. If Manny is in decent shape, i doubt Marg. even gets more than a dozen decent shots on him.
100% agree thats why I never watch any 24/7 shows or any build up shows. All they are trying to do is get PPV sales by making people think Marg. has a chance
Hey Luke, what is your opinion on Antonio and his loaded gloves. My opinion is this...most of the evidence points to him having loaded gloves(IMO) in MOST of his big wins(Cotto, Citron). Just look at the way he busted those dudes up with his slow ass volume punches.
I never really gave his other fightsall thought but I'm sure he was loaded when fighting Cotto. Cotto was clearly out boxing him until the damage from the loaded gloves got to him
I think I'm going to take Manny by decision @ +300 this weekend for a small play,not 100% sure yet though
YoungTRK484
11-11-2010, 03:13 PM
I watch 24/7 purely for the fact that it gets me hyped for the show and motivates me whenw orking out or running. I would factor in NOTHING the "rumors" that Pac is having a weak camp. They said that Mosley was having the best camp of his career before he fought Floyd, went to Big Bear, trained nonstop, and he barely won a round and a half in that fight.
I agree Marga-cheat-o has no chance of winning this fight as well. Bigger will not be better in ths fight and Pac will run circles around him. I think the decision prop is actually a decent prop @ +300.
I can see it being something like 9 rounds to 3.
^^^ I was going to take Marg. +18.5 points @ +200 but that means he has to win 3 rounds and I'm not sure he will .No matter what I play if anything it will be small
I parlayed Pac with a couple of other fights individually. I think I have him with Benavidez in one parlay, Faber in another, and Noke in another.
I think the Pac dec. prop has the most value, as i think it is about 50/50 on if Pac stops him mid to late or if Antonio makes it to the final bell.
I think the Pac dec. prop has the most value, as i think it is about 50/50 on if Pac stops him mid to late or if Antonio makes it to the final bell.
I'll be playing Manny by decision +300 for .25 or .5 units. I may try to find a parlay too
I'm hoping Manny gets a huge lead on the cards and then plays it safe the last few rounds knowing Marg. needs a KO to win
Mr. IWS
11-12-2010, 02:44 PM
Ill probably be on Pac too.
Jesus Ruiz, George Groves, David Haye, Mike Jones and Pac Man are all guys who should handily win this weekend. Pick 3 or 4 of them for a parlay.
I am going to probably do a Jones, Ruiz, Groves parlay.
YoungTRK484
11-12-2010, 05:51 PM
^^^ I'd throw Rigondeaux in there as well.
YoungTRK484
11-12-2010, 06:01 PM
Live weigh-ins on Sportscenter coming up in about 15 minutes. I heard Margarito was having trouble making wait. I'm looking forward to see how he looks.
Live weigh-ins on Sportscenter coming up in about 15 minutes. I heard Margarito was having trouble making wait. I'm looking forward to see how he looks.
I seen a picuture of him a week ago and he looked fine .Of course I dont know what his weight was then
Yikes Manny only weighed 144.5 . He was suppose to come in at around 148. Margarito looked fine at 150 . Manny might be outweighed by 20lbs by tomorrow
Manny should have made the weight limit 147 not 150
MMA_scientist
11-12-2010, 06:15 PM
I am following you guys and my other guy.
.5u on Pac/Groves
YoungTRK484
11-12-2010, 06:15 PM
Live weigh-ins on Sportscenter coming up in about 15 minutes. I heard Margarito was having trouble making wait. I'm looking forward to see how he looks.
I seen a picuture of him a week ago and he looked fine .Of course I dont know what his weight was then
Couple thoughts:
-- Margarito looked rail thin. I bet he rehydrates up to 170.
-- Pacman came in light. Only 144? He won't re-hydrate much from there.
-- LOL'ed at the Cheater chants.
-- They're fighting with 8 oz. gloves, instead of the more normal 10 oz gloves for this weight class. This makes a knockout more likely. I'm still considering the decision prop, and also thinking of Marga-cheato +18.5
Johnny Unreliable
11-12-2010, 06:21 PM
I know he's manny but that size difference worries me. Giving up 20lbs on fight night is not something to take lightly....I'm staying away from betting this one but damn I can't wait to see what happens.
Mr. IWS
11-12-2010, 06:23 PM
What did Pac give up fight night against Oscar?
What did Pac give up fight night against Oscar?
Not a whole lot. Oscar did not rehydrate much.
Mr. IWS
11-12-2010, 06:28 PM
I still think Pac just hummingbirds the shit out of Margarito.
What did Pac give up fight night against Oscar?
I'm guessing around 15-18 lbs . DLH weighed in at 145 for the Manny fight and was completely drained . By that time in his career he was use to fighting at 154 so by fight night he might of weighed 157-158 while Manny weighed 142
I still think Pac just hummingbirds the shit out of Margarito.
So do I Margarito and DLH are about the same size
What did Pac give up fight night against Oscar?
Not a whole lot. Oscar did not rehydrate much.
You could be right I was only guessing .I tried to find the exact weights on fight night but had no luck
YoungTRK484
11-12-2010, 08:18 PM
From wikipedia:
On December 6, 2008, Pacquiao moved up to the welterweight division, in order to face the six-division world champion Oscar De La Hoya at the MGM Grand Las Vegas, in a fight called "The Dream Match". Presented by Golden Boy Promotions and Top Rank, the bout was scheduled as a twelve round, non-title fight contested at the 147 pound welterweight limit. Although Pacquiao went into the fight widely recognized as the leading pound-for-pound boxer in the world, some boxing pundits had speculated that 147 pounds could be too far above his natural weight against the larger De La Hoya.[48] However, due to rehydration after the weigh in, De la Hoya came into the fight actually weighing less than Pacquiao, and close to 20 pounds under his usual fighting weight. Pacquiao dominated the fight, and after eight rounds De La Hoya's corner was forced to throw in the towel, awarding Pacquiao the win via technical knockout.
YoungTRK484
11-12-2010, 08:25 PM
Looks like Pacquiao entered the ring at 148.5, DLH @ 147.
http://sports.yahoo.com/box/news?slug=dw-weighin111309
^^^^ good find yountrk484
Manny by decision +300 .5 units to win 1.5
I may add something else just deciding
^^^ Fuck it, I'll get some of that.
Pac via decision: .5u to win 1.4u
.5u to win 1u on Pacquiao/Margarito going to decision
.5u to win 1.375u on Pacquiao winning by decision/technical decision
poopoo333
11-13-2010, 07:55 PM
.94u to win 2.66u Pac by decision
YoungTRK484
11-13-2010, 07:58 PM
1.5 units to win .61, Pacquaio/Rigondeaux parlay.
YoungTRK484
11-13-2010, 08:00 PM
Pacquaio by decision, .5 units to win 1.5
Also, my units are $100. I know we had some debate a couple weeks back regarding unit size and bankroll % etc.
^^^^^^^^ geezZZZ I didnt realize we were all on Pacquaio by decision.
You guys think this goes to a decision or are you just betting it just for action ?
all the buzz I've heard points to it and I had a great day in MMA so I'm just on it because of that. I don't know shit about boxing.
YoungTRK484
11-13-2010, 08:16 PM
I really think it goes to a decision. I had 2 concerns, one being the 8 oz gloves making a knockout more likely and the other being Margarito's corner throwing in the towel. Margarito is a warrior, desperately needs to be licensed in Nevada, so will be looking for redemption from the commissions and the fans, and doubt he will be knocked out or be stopped on his stool.
Pacman is quicker and has some devastating power, but I think it's a close fight through 6, maybe 3 rounds apiece. Pacquaio will punish Margarito late, but I still say he doesn't KO him. Final will be something like 116-112, 8 rounds to 4. The astounding thing about Pacman is he looks just as quick, if not quicker, in the final minute of the 12th round as he does in the first minute of the first round.
Margarito will be rehydrated up to 168-172 lbs. from his 150 weigh inIMO, which will slow him down late. I still think he looked gaunt yesterday, and he looked like a potato chip up there.
Hoping for a good fight!
.94u to win 2.66u Pac by decision
Why the weird numbers?
.94u to win 2.66u Pac by decision
Why the weird numbers?
because he's weird ::lmao::
poopoo333
11-13-2010, 08:23 PM
because he's weird ::lmao::
That is what I was going to respond, thanks bro
I really think it goes to a decision. I had 2 concerns, one being the 8 oz gloves making a knockout more likely and the other being Margarito's corner throwing in the towel. Margarito is a warrior, desperately needs to be licensed in Nevada, so will be looking for redemption from the commissions and the fans, and doubt he will be knocked out or be stopped on his stool.
Pacman is quicker and has some devastating power, but I think it's a close fight through 6, maybe 3 rounds apiece. Pacquaio will punish Margarito late, but I still say he doesn't KO him. Final will be something like 116-112, 8 rounds to 4. The astounding thing about Pacman is he looks just as quick, if not quicker, in the final minute of the 12th round as he does in the first minute of the first round.
Margarito will be rehydrated up to 168-172 lbs. from his 150 weigh inIMO, which will slow him down late. I still think he looked gaunt yesterday, and he looked like a potato chip up there.
Hoping for a good fight!
I dont like the 8oz gloves either but oh well
I'm hoping Manny gets a huge lead on the cards anf then stays away the last few rounds knowing Marg. needs a KO. Of course with Margarito making fun of Freddie Roach he may go for the kill but at +300 I think its a great bet.
IMO the KO and decision props should be a pk +100 each ,at least thats how I have the fight
^^^ Just looking at records, I see that Pac has won a lot more fights by decision than Margarito has lost fights by (T)KO.
Under the circumstances, it really does sound very odd that they're offering those odds. They're saying that Pac is going to do something that's only been done once in 44 fights.
^^^ Just looking at records, I see that Pac has won a lot more fights by decision than Margarito has lost fights by (T)KO.
Under the circumstances, it really does sound very odd that they're offering those odds. They're saying that Pac is going to do something that's only been done once in 44 fights.
The last guy Manny fought (Clottey) had never need KO'd before and Manny was +450 to win by decision. I was going to bet him by decision last fight but chickened out because I second guessed myself
Manny weighs 148 tonight Margarito weighs 165
YoungTRK484
11-13-2010, 09:28 PM
That's a big gap b/w the 2. Every pundit I was listening to said Margarito wouldn't rehydrate a ton. 15 lbs seems like a lot to me. Good info Luke, thanks!
Manny by decision +300 .5 units to win 1.5
I may add something else just deciding
hedging a little just in case
Antonio Margarito by KO/TKO/DQ +500 .3 units to win 1.5
So I got:
Manny wins by decision = win 1.2 units
Manny wins by KO =lose .8 units
Margarito wins by decision =not happening
Margarito win by Ko = win 1.0 units
+8.86u on the day. Fuckin' Awesome
+8.86u on the day. Fuckin' Awesome
Hell of a day man . ::clap:: ::clap::
Manny by decision +300 .5 units to win 1.5 ::moneybag::
minus my .3 hedge
+1.2 units I'm happy ::thumbup::
YoungTRK484
11-14-2010, 12:59 AM
Pacquaio by decision, .5 units to win 1.5
Also, my units are $100. I know we had some debate a couple weeks back regarding unit size and bankroll % etc.
Winner! Plus my Pac-Rigondeaux parlay cashed.
+2.11 units!
::moneybag:: ::clap:: ::moneybag:: ::clap::
1.5 units to win .61, Pacquaio/Rigondeaux parlay.
::winna::
.94u to win 2.66u Pac by decision
::winna::
Sounds like everyone's happy.
.5u to win 1u on Pacquiao/Margarito going to decision
.5u to win 1.375u on Pacquiao winning by decision/technical decision
::winna::
Everybody wins. ::thumbup::
Sounds like everyone's happy.
lol I havent been this happy to win 1.2 units in a while. I was really sweating those last 2 rounds . Who else was?
I sure as fuck was. I thought for sure they were going to stop it because of that eye.
I think if it was anyone besides Antonio they would have. But he was persistent in the fact that he was fine and WANTED to continue. Most fighters would have just not communicated with the ref, or submit by body language or something.
poopoo333
11-14-2010, 01:16 AM
+8.86u on the day. Fuckin' Awesome
You've been cleaning up lately in NFL and MMA. Good job
I think if it was anyone besides Antonio they would have. But he was persistent in the fact that he was fine and WANTED to continue. Most fighters would have just not communicated with the ref, or submit by body language or something.
I agree with everything you said
YoungTRK484
11-14-2010, 08:53 AM
Sounds like everyone's happy.
lol I havent been this happy to win 1.2 units in a while. I was really sweating those last 2 rounds . Who else was?
That 10th and 11th rounds were so intense. When Manny was looking at the ref to stop it, and then when Cole called timeout, close one of Margarito's eyes with his hand and made him say how many fingers he had up, wow. Once it hit the 12th and I could see Pac easing up I knew we were golden.
A lot of the talk is how the fight should have been stopped by his corner. I'm glad it wasn't!
::handshake::
Honestly I saw no reason to stop the fight. His eye was closing but he could clearly still see out of it because he told them how many fingers they were holding up twice without any hesitation, was still coming forward just like he had all fight, and was still firing off punches and at times even hitting Manny as well as not becoming wobbly at all. I think it would have been a detriment to the Mexican fighting spirit to have stopped it while he could still somewhat defend himself.
Mr. IWS
11-14-2010, 09:58 AM
Good job luke. Sorry I missed your text, I was laying in my bed waiting like a fuckin hour for the fight to start. LOL
I thought you were fucked when they were checking Marga-cheeto's eye the last couple rounds.
Mr. IWS
11-14-2010, 10:13 AM
+8.86u on the day. Fuckin' Awesome
Winner! Plus my Pac-Rigondeaux parlay cashed.
+2.11 units!
::moneybag:: ::clap:: ::moneybag:: ::clap::
::thumbup::
Margarito has a fractured orbital bone and likely needs surgery
yikes.
OK, Paul Williams-Sergio Martinez II is this Saturday. First fight was epic. I actually thought Martinez edged him out the first fight. But Williams was given the decision.
My first thoughts are that Martinez style is harder to deal with(slick counter puncher), while Paul's style might be easier for Sergio to deal with a second time. Fight should go the distance, even though both guys went down the first fight, and Williams seemed rocked on a few other occasions.
I guess you could make a case for either guy by decision, since both those bets will be @ +money. Any thoughts?
OK, Paul Williams-Sergio Martinez II is this Saturday. First fight was epic. I actually thought Martinez edged him out the first fight. But Williams was given the decision.
My first thoughts are that Martinez style is harder to deal with(slick counter puncher), while Paul's style might be easier for Sergio to deal with a second time. Fight should go the distance, even though both guys went down the first fight, and Williams seemed rocked on a few other occasions.
I guess you could make a case for either guy by decision, since both those bets will be @ +money. Any thoughts?
I think I scored the first fight a draw but couldnt argue with the decision going either way. I think I'm taking Williams this weekend. I want to watch Pavlik-Martinez, Williams-Cintron and the first fight again before making a decision.
Watching previous fights is another reason I like boxing more than the UFC. You have to search the 4 corners of the earth sometimes to find a UFC fight, to watch a boxing fight you got to youtube type in the fight and there it is .
I agree with you Luke.
Couple of things. The Martinez KD by Williams in the first seemed to be a bit of an off balance KD. Sergio's KD was 100% legit.
I just watched The first fight and Martinez-Pavlik last night. Martinez really put on a show against Pavlik. I really think that Martinez might have the edge in this rematch. But what worries me is that in ALL of Sergio's fight he takes his foot off the gas in rounds(by choice or not), and that will always cost him rounds with someone like Williams. I just really think that Sergio might be just the right fighter to beat Williams, but it is damn close.
Sergio is the champ, so this time he may be given the close rounds, or Paul's active style may win him rounds. Real tough fight to cap. Many people also think that a counterpuncher will always fair better in a rematch because they have already seen their opponent once and now can counter even easier the second fight.
i think i will also watch Williams-Citron again, but from what I remember it was close when it was stopped. But it had the look that Williams was coming on and was going to start laying a beating on Kermit.
Arum also said if Mayweather not available, Manny fights Marquez or Mosley in May & then Bradley-Alexander winner in the fall
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Arum also said if Mayweather not available, Manny fights Marquez or Mosley in May & then Bradley-Alexander winner in the fall
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So in other words he fights Marquez or Mosley next. I honestly do not believe Floyd wants to fight him. I doubt he fights Marquez unless Marquez smokes Katsidis.
YoungTRK484
11-16-2010, 09:23 PM
Floyd might be serving time next eyar and avoiding Pac that way. Clark County is tired of his and his families antics, and the recent incident revolved around hima ssaulting a private security guard recently.
As for the both of you (sbjj and Luke) 'capping this fight, I look forward to hearing your insights as well as throwing my $.02 in. Thinking of heading down to watch this fight live, but either way will certainly have a play wagered on an even $ fight (-115 apiece currently) even if I just watch it on TV.
YoungTRK484
11-20-2010, 07:21 PM
S. Martinez 1u to win 1.3u.
Paul Williams -120 1.2 units to win 1
^^^ How confident are you on that one?
^^^ How confident are you on that one?
65/35
If you looking for something solid wait till next week
^^^ How confident are you on that one?
me and yountrk484 are on opposites sides tonight
YoungTRK484
11-20-2010, 10:29 PM
Interesting Luke. I thought you'd take Martinez.
Interesting Luke. I thought you'd take Martinez.
Nah I liked Williams just wasnt 100% sure till today.I watched the fights again and still like him tonight.
I posted a few posts back I liked Williams ,SBJJ liked Martinez . GL tonight man ::handshake::
YoungTRK484
11-20-2010, 10:36 PM
You're right I just read a few back and saw it, musta goteen ya confused. Goodluck to you too.
YoungTRK484
11-20-2010, 10:56 PM
If anyone is interested:
http://channelsurfing.net/watch-boxing.html
Undercard is done, live rematch should be on in 10-15 mins.
^^^^ thanks I'm going to try to watch it and UFC at the same time
YoungTRK484
11-20-2010, 10:59 PM
^^^ Gonna try to do the same but my head might explode LOL. Enjoy!
Sopcast link very good
sop://broker.sopcast.com:3912/80562
YoungTRK484
11-20-2010, 11:07 PM
I love how nice they make Atlantic City look when they have fights there. The place is a dump, the casinos are broke, state takeovers are imminent, and it is SO grimy. Cracks me up!!!!!
I love how nice they make Atlantic City look when they have fights there. The place is a dump, the casinos are broke, state takeovers are imminent, and it is SO grimy. Cracks me up!!!!!
Lol I've never been there. Thats funny
YoungTRK484
11-20-2010, 11:13 PM
The overhead shots from the helicopter or whatever make it seem so beautiful. All the fun lights and casinos right on the beach. Almost like Vegas. YEAH RIGHT. I go a few times a year for conventions and bachelor parties and shit, but it is disgusting. The NEXT TIME I go and don't get asked by a strung out prostitute if I want a blowie in my first hour there, will be the FIRST TIME.
YoungTRK484
11-20-2010, 11:17 PM
Feeling confident in Martinez now that I saw Winky Wright in Williams entourage/corner.
::dance::
YoungTRK484
11-20-2010, 11:22 PM
I go to Vegas every year
Went for the first time in June. Safe to say I'm going to make it a yearly event!
YoungTRK484
11-20-2010, 11:24 PM
whoaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
OMG Williams just got KTFO LOL
That was KO of the year for sure
YoungTRK484
11-20-2010, 11:26 PM
Holy Fuck. That left Put. Williams. To. Sleep!!!!!
S. Martinez 1u to win 1.3u.
Great call man ::clap::
I was on the border of betting Williams or not guess I should have laid off lol.
Damn those two were throwing bombs those first two rounds
YoungTRK484
11-20-2010, 11:28 PM
That was KO of the year for sure
Without question.
Holy Fuck. That left Put. Williams. To. Sleep!!!!!
If that isnt KO of the year I dont know what is .
If I was going to lose I'm glad I did this way instead of it going all 12 and losing a close decision
Arthur Abrbaham next week man. I might be betting pretty big on that one
YoungTRK484
11-20-2010, 11:38 PM
S. Martinez 1u to win 1.3u.
Great call man ::clap::
I was on the border of betting Williams or not guess I should have laid off lol.
Damn those two were throwing bombs those first two rounds
Yeah man they ere looking to do damage right from the start. I noticed that the ref was not letting them clinch one bit. Figured a knockout would be coming because of that But 2nd round?!? Did not see that coming at all. WOW!
Yeah man they ere looking to do damage right from the start. I noticed that the ref was not letting them clinch one bit. Figured a knockout would be coming because of that But 2nd round?!? Did not see that coming at all. WOW!
When I saw those bombs flying in RD1 I knew someone was getting hurt in that fight, not that early though . For only being 2rds that was a great fight.Martinez was just two strong for Williams.
I'm ready to see the 3rd fight now
Just glad I didnt bet much on it and lose more than I won last week on Manny .
YoungTRK484
11-20-2010, 11:44 PM
Arthur Abrbaham next week man. I might be betting pretty big on that one
Agreed. I like Abraham too. Lots of good fights to finish off the year. I will probably be playing Juanma-Katsidis as well as Khan-Maidana and Pascal-Bhop.
But the Abraham fight has the best odds IMO.
I've got a parlay with Khan left to finish it out.Imight playt him straight too.I might play JMM by KO or stoppage.
YoungTRK484
11-20-2010, 11:52 PM
I like Khan straight also. Probably going to play Pascal-BHop over 11.5 rounds or something on the end result. Juan Ma by KO looks solid too.
YoungTRK484
11-20-2010, 11:54 PM
I'm ready to see the 3rd fight now
.
PWill needs to show he deserves that fight IMO, that KO was pretty decisive. I don't see Pac or Mayweather fighting Martinez. Maybe Pirog? I genuinely dunno where he goes though, kind of slim pickings.
::hammertime::
Matinez should take a rematch with Cintron and beat his ass . He got screwed big time in the first fight. I'd have to look to see who else he might fight. Zero chance Manny or Mayweather want to fight him imo .
I will not be riding with you guys on Abraham. After MUCH thought, i think Froch will actually win. And I think Katsidis has a strong shot for the upset.
I will not be riding with you guys on Abraham. After MUCH thought, i think Froch will actually win. And I think Katsidis has a strong shot for the upset.
I think Froch win rounds 1-2 or 3 and then Abraham takes over the fight .I cant reallysee Froch winning. He cant bully Abraham ,he cant out box him.
JMM-KAtsidis might be close early but Katsidis will probably get stopped later in the fight imo
I will not be riding with you guys on Abraham. After MUCH thought, i think Froch will actually win. And I think Katsidis has a strong shot for the upset.
I think Froch win rounds 1-2 or 3 and then Abraham takes over the fight .I cant reallysee Froch winning. He cant bully Abraham ,he cant out box him.
JMM-KAtsidis might be close early but Katsidis will probably get stopped later in the fight imo
Abraham takes over fights that early against weak opposition. He tends to take over fights much later when facing better guys. You might find yourself surprised because I can see Froch outboxing him and bullying him. Dirrell was able to bully him...and dirrell does not bully anyone.
i think the cat might be out of the bag with Arthur, the blueprint to beat him is there. i think Froch can do it. Froch is a better boxer than I have given him credit for. I thought he looked very good against kess. He surprised me.
Kats could get stopped late, but i think Kats is a much better fighter than he was a few years ago. i think the fight is actually real close. I think anyone even thinking of bettin JMM at his price is insane.
YoungTRK484
11-21-2010, 10:47 AM
I think Katsidis gets stopped as well. Pondering a round bet, currently I have it at -140 for Under 9.5. Looks enticing.
Interesting take on Froch sbjj, I just don't see it. Froch looked ok against Kess, but Kess is overrated in my mind and Abraham tactically outboxes him for an 8-4 decision, or maybe a late late KO. Would I shocked if it was even after 6 or maybe 8 rounds? No. But Abraham banks 3 or 4 late rounds and gets the W.
Funny that you think Kess is overrated, but not Arthur. Kess has fought the tougher competition. In my eyes, Dirrell is the only elite guy that Abraham has fought. And we saw what happened there. Honestly, who has Abraham fought?
Froch will not tire in the later rounds and just let Abraham jump all over him. I think it is a mistake to think that.
Still need to hear back from a couple of guys on this fight. Because it does look like I am in the minority.
I think AA-Froch will be a replay of AA-Taylor
I think AA-Froch will be a replay of AA-Taylor
Better hope not. You will be sweating bullets. Abraham pulled that one out in the last round, Just like Froch did against Taylor.
Froch is much more durable than Taylor.
Keep in mind, AA has not looked as devastating since moving up in weight and competition.
I think AA-Froch will be a replay of AA-Taylor
Better hope not. You will be sweating bullets. Abraham pulled that one out in the last round, Just like Froch did against Taylor.
Froch is much more durable than Taylor.
Keep in mind, AA has not looked as devastating since moving up in weight and competition.
Taylor won rounds 1-4 and then AA won every round after that . Thats what I mean by replay of that fight
I think you're giving Froch too much credit . He was clearly out boxed by Taylor and his other two fights were really close(kessler ,dirrell) I actually scored the Dirrell fight for Dirrell and the Kessler fight a draw
I'm going to rewatch most of the fights this week but I think I'm putting a big play on AA
I could be wrong, but I think I remember Taylor being real tight on the cards in the Abraham fight. And that was in Abrahams backyard. I just watched the fight again this weekend and it was as close as the Froch fight was.
I agree that Dirrell beat froch. But Froch also made him real uncomfortable. While Dirrell straight kicked Arthur's ass. And IMO that was the first time Arthur stepped in their with an in his prime elite fighter. Not saying i think Froch is a sure thing, far from it. but i think Abraham as a fave over possibly the first(or second) toughest fighter he has ever faced is a stretch.
You really think Froch is just gonna fall for that pop out the turtle shell shit abraham does in the later rounds? He is not Taylor and will not tire out in the late rounds.
YoungTRK484
11-21-2010, 06:39 PM
Funny that you think Kess is overrated, but not Arthur. Kess has fought the tougher competition. In my eyes, Dirrell is the only elite guy that Abraham has fought. And we saw what happened there. Honestly, who has Abraham fought?
Froch will not tire in the later rounds and just let Abraham jump all over him. I think it is a mistake to think that.
Still need to hear back from a couple of guys on this fight. Because it does look like I am in the minority.
Abraham has 2 Decisive victories over Miranda, a W vs. Jermain Taylor, and a nice KO vs. Marquez. The Dirrell fight is comical but I won't go into "that."
I will give you that Kessler has fought the better competition. He looked great agrainst Andrade, shutouts across the board I believe. Then got dominated by Calzaghe (on a fight I bet Kess, actually). Couple tuneups led to Ward DESTROYING him, then won a veryyyyy close decision against Froch, so he hasn't necessarily done well against that better competition though.
Froch beat Taylor and Pascal (nice W), agreed. But against Taylor, he was behind on the cards, got knocked down early, and got the late stoppage. He beat Dirrell, but home field advantage could be to blame (split decision).
I'll rewatch a lot of these fights, but I think Abraham at his current price is a good buy!
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Miranda and Marquez are not good wins. Froch would rape them both. Those are the names that made Abraham overrated IMO. Not that Froch himself is not overrated. All the european fighters(in the sup.6) were overrated.
The Dirrell decision was bad, and I had a decent bet on Dirrell. But at least Froch fought on his level and gave him fits. Dirrell made Arthur look like he did not even belong in the same ring.
The only difference in the Taylor matches is that Taylor gassed earlier against Arthur than he did against Froch. Taylor was beating them both.
AA was on the way to KOing Dirrell at the end just like Froch did to Taylor in their fight . Had AA not got DQ'd I think he would have won ,Dirrell was ready to go. Froch never had Dirrell hurt at any time in the fight (that I can remember)
If Taylor can almost KO Froch I really think AA will
Dirrell was tired, but IMO he could of made the final bell. Keep in mind, he was tired from beating Arthurs ass. To compare the two fights is meaningless. He was running and holding for much of the Froch fight. He just straight up put a beating on Abraham.
Taylor did not almost KO Froch. Come on, go watch it again. he dropped him quickly from a real good shot. Same kind of shot(shots) he dropped Pavlik with. Using that logic, i guess you could say if Dirrell could almost KO Arthur, than Froch sure can.
I honestly see nothing that would show why Arthur should be a fave. over Froch. Unless you believe the whole Froch sucks crowd. I was sort of on board with that. But after watching some of his fights again(Pascal,Dirrell, and Kess.) I am starting to think the guy is not near as primitive as I once thought. I think, at the least, you guys are going to be surprised Sat. night.
YoungTRK484
11-22-2010, 09:30 PM
Miranda and Marquez are not good wins. Froch would rape them both. Those are the names that made Abraham overrated IMO. Not that Froch himself is not overrated. All the european fighters(in the sup.6) were overrated.
The Dirrell decision was bad, and I had a decent bet on Dirrell. But at least Froch fought on his level and gave him fits. Dirrell made Arthur look like he did not even belong in the same ring.
The only difference in the Taylor matches is that Taylor gassed earlier against Arthur than he did against Froch. Taylor was beating them both.
Agree to disagree then. At the time, the Miranda wins were impressive, maybe not now as we hit 2011, but in 2006 and 2008? Nice W's in my mind. As for Marquez, dude battled Vargas, Mosley, Taylor, was a titleholder, fought/lost to Yuri Boy Campas. Come on, he's a battler.
I think it's a healthy debate, you make some good points, and the odds are good on both fighters, but I like AA at the line he's currently at.
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Well, a couple of guys I trust just came in. One guy has Abraham in the 10th. The other likes Abraham also, but really likes the under.
Shit, I guess i could have this one all wrong. Was starting to think maybe I was just convincing myself of a play this week.
You guys like the under? If Arthur is hitting Froch with the type of bombs you think he will, can he make it to the final bell?
Well, a couple of guys I trust just came in. One guy has Abraham in the 10th. The other likes Abraham also, but really likes the under.
Shit, I guess i could have this one all wrong. Was starting to think maybe I was just convincing myself of a play this week.
You guys like the under? If Arthur is hitting Froch with the type of bombs you think he will, can he make it to the final bell?
Honestly I like the under too . I still think AA Ko's him . Since the O/U is -110 and AA is only -160 more than likely I still be playing just AA, still not sure yet though. AA KO'd Taylor in the last round and I think Dirrell was on his way out too but that fight was in the 11th . I'm not sure I want to be holding my breath in the last few rds that he KO's him
You've beeen trying to convince us for a week Froch was the play who are these guys that suddenly changed your mind? Just curious
YoungTRK484
11-23-2010, 12:58 PM
I like the under too, I currently have it at -120 for both sides of the O/U but am not sure if I'm going to play both the Under AND AA. I don't anticipate a lot of line movement at the -120 Under and -160 AA, so I'm just seeing how my thanksgiving day NFL plays go ebfore I put it in for Saturday.
Well, a couple of guys I trust just came in. One guy has Abraham in the 10th. The other likes Abraham also, but really likes the under.
Shit, I guess i could have this one all wrong. Was starting to think maybe I was just convincing myself of a play this week.
You guys like the under? If Arthur is hitting Froch with the type of bombs you think he will, can he make it to the final bell?
Honestly I like the under too . I still think AA Ko's him . Since the O/U is -110 and AA is only -160 more than likely I still be playing just AA, still not sure yet though. AA KO'd Taylor in the last round and I think Dirrell was on his way out too but that fight was in the 11th . I'm not sure I want to be holding my breath in the last few rds that he KO's him
You've beeen trying to convince us for a week Froch was the play who are these guys that suddenly changed your mind? Just curious
A couple of guys I have known a long time who once ran a site with Roger Mayweather. They are not perfect(by a long shot) but they know their stuff. Graham Houston is also all over Arthur, and the under, and the Abraham by KO prop. Graham is now giving betting advice for a fee, and he has actually been doing real well. You could track his picks at his site.
Still have one more guy I track. You guys were already convincing me to not bet the fight, this just confirms it.
BillyPilgrim
11-23-2010, 02:08 PM
Luke, sbjj, Yay or Nay:
4u - (1.10) Ward vs Bika - I chose Ward he is one of the most complete fighters around today. He should handle Bika comfortably. The odds arent great but that probably is a true reflection of the difference in skill set. I have one worry and that is they both sometimes lead with their head and Bika has a very hard head. I worry about cuts to Ward face, but he is smart im sure he has prepared for this.
0.5u - Ward (1.5) on points, Ward does not stop many boxers and sika is made of iron this fight has distance written all over it.
Fun bets over the weekend, but do not recommend:
0.4u (3.2)- Katsidis to bet Marquez. It more about how old and shop worn then how good Katsidis is. I think Katsidis has improved and with the death of his brother he will prevail. Marquez in his last fight just looked like somebody who has lost a step or two. Katsidis is youger and fights hard and fast.
Also Froch vs Abraham is on this weekend. Im not touching it just going to enjoy. I pick Froch he is a slight underdog, but i feel that he is slightly underated and Abraham is overated. Froch is very tough and active and thats something that goes well against abraham. Abraham is tough, but the dude just does not throw enough punches. I reckon he gets outworked and roughed up in a tough close fight.
Luke, sbjj, Yay or Nay:
4u - (1.10) Ward vs Bika - I chose Ward he is one of the most complete fighters around today. He should handle Bika comfortably. The odds arent great but that probably is a true reflection of the difference in skill set. I have one worry and that is they both sometimes lead with their head and Bika has a very hard head. I worry about cuts to Ward face, but he is smart im sure he has prepared for this.
0.5u - Ward (1.5) on points, Ward does not stop many boxers and sika is made of iron this fight has distance written all over it.
Fun bets over the weekend, but do not recommend:
0.4u (3.2)- Katsidis to bet Marquez. It more about how old and shop worn then how good Katsidis is. I think Katsidis has improved and with the death of his brother he will prevail. Marquez in his last fight just looked like somebody who has lost a step or two. Katsidis is youger and fights hard and fast.
Also Froch vs Abraham is on this weekend. Im not touching it just going to enjoy. I pick Froch he is a slight underdog, but i feel that he is slightly underated and Abraham is overated. Froch is very tough and active and thats something that goes well against abraham. Abraham is tough, but the dude just does not throw enough punches. I reckon he gets outworked and roughed up in a tough close fight.
I was seeing the Froch-Abraham fight the same way. But I am staying away(I think).
I am with you on Kats. I think he has a legit shot. Also looking at the over in that fight.
Personally, I would not touch the Ward-Sika bout. Ward(IMO) is one of the best fighters out there. But I am a big fan of Sika and I think he can give anyone trouble. I like the over, as Ward may decide to play it a bit safe and coast to a decision(and thats what you want) if you bet Ward straight. I personally would just bet Ward by decision and skip the high price of him straight. Ward did not finish Green, I doubt he stops Bika.
YoungTRK484
11-23-2010, 02:40 PM
Luke, sbjj, Yay or Nay:
4u - (1.10) Ward vs Bika - I chose Ward he is one of the most complete fighters around today. He should handle Bika comfortably. The odds arent great but that probably is a true reflection of the difference in skill set. I have one worry and that is they both sometimes lead with their head and Bika has a very hard head. I worry about cuts to Ward face, but he is smart im sure he has prepared for this.
0.5u - Ward (1.5) on points, Ward does not stop many boxers and sika is made of iron this fight has distance written all over it.
I like both bets. Ward is a stud and I agree with your assessment about his completeness. My book doesn't have this line up yet, thisdrives me nuts (I swear I'm making a New Years Resolution to open an account at 5dimes), but will probably be on him too, although by decision rather than straight. Bika is a tough mf'er, his fight with Codrington comes to mind and was epic in 2007. I give him no shot to win this fight honestly, but do agree it goes the distance.
Going to pass on Marquez-Katsidis I think, but I think Marquez wins easily. Still evaluating Maidana-Khan, I think Maidana is looking good at +230.
Anyone think B-Hop has a chance to beat Pascal? At +285, I might bite. The over 11.5 is at -350 which is absurd and would be a pass for me.
I think the line on BHop is inflated. I think Pascal wins, but Hop should not be a 3 to 1 dog. I think +160 would be more like it.
BillyPilgrim
11-23-2010, 03:12 PM
Thanks, I think I am going to follow on Ward by decision then
Luke, sbjj, Yay or Nay:
4u - (1.10) Ward vs Bika - I chose Ward he is one of the most complete fighters around today. He should handle Bika comfortably. The odds arent great but that probably is a true reflection of the difference in skill set. I have one worry and that is they both sometimes lead with their head and Bika has a very hard head. I worry about cuts to Ward face, but he is smart im sure he has prepared for this.
0.5u - Ward (1.5) on points, Ward does not stop many boxers and sika is made of iron this fight has distance written all over it.
Fun bets over the weekend, but do not recommend:
0.4u (3.2)- Katsidis to bet Marquez. It more about how old and shop worn then how good Katsidis is. I think Katsidis has improved and with the death of his brother he will prevail. Marquez in his last fight just looked like somebody who has lost a step or two. Katsidis is youger and fights hard and fast.
Also Froch vs Abraham is on this weekend. Im not touching it just going to enjoy. I pick Froch he is a slight underdog, but i feel that he is slightly underated and Abraham is overated. Froch is very tough and active and thats something that goes well against abraham. Abraham is tough, but the dude just does not throw enough punches. I reckon he gets outworked and roughed up in a tough close fight.
Your boxing guy sure does bet alot of high odds fights doesnt he? Does he ever reccomend a plays on fighters who's less than -700 very often ?
A couple of guys I have known a long time who once ran a site with Roger Mayweather. They are not perfect(by a long shot) but they know their stuff. Graham Houston is also all over Arthur, and the under, and the Abraham by KO prop. Graham is now giving betting advice for a fee, and he has actually been doing real well. You could track his picks at his site.
Still have one more guy I track. You guys were already convincing me to not bet the fight, this just confirms it.
Whos Graham Houston?
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