UFC 140

[poopoo333]

Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Frank Mir
Tito Ortiz vs. Antonio Rogerio Nogueira
Rory MacDonald vs. Brian Ebersole
Dennis Hallman vs. John Makdessi
Rich Attonito vs. Claude Patrick
John Cholish vs. Mitch Clarke

[poopoo333]

Report: Mark Bocek vs. Nik Lentz Planned for UFC 140 in Toronto (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/9/12/2421225/report-mark-bocek-vs-nik-lentz-planned-for-ufc-140-in-toronto)

[Ludo]

I'll take Lentz there. Dude is unbeatable.

[poopoo333]

Chan Sung Jung vs. Mark Hominick Targeted for UFC 140 in Toronto (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/9/17/2431058/chan-sung-jung-vs-mark-hominick-targeted-ufc-140-toronto-December-10-canada)

[edman5555]

Lentz has a good shot at that. I favor Bocek though.

[SPX]

Chan Sung Jung vs. Mark Hominick Targeted for UFC 140 in Toronto (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/9/17/2431058/chan-sung-jung-vs-mark-hominick-targeted-ufc-140-toronto-December-10-canada)



Damn, feeding the Zombie to the wolves. He will not win that fight.

[Luke]

Damn, feeding the Zombie to the wolves. He will not win that fight.

We will if I bet Hominick

[SPX]

Come on, nigga. . .

[edman5555]

hallman and rory macdonald are good bets.

[poopoo333]

Agreed. But MacDonald is gonna be too steep

[edman5555]

yeah true. i will bet it anyway. slow and steady wins the race. We might get a decent line on hallman though. Makdessi has some hype and Hallman is coming off a loss. Classic Grappler vs striker

[SPX]

I wouldn't be overwhelmingly surprised to see Makdessi take it. He seemed pretty crafty at avoiding the clinch when he fought Pat Audinwood. I'm not saying Audinwood is anywhere near the grappler that Hallman is, but if Makdessi's a decent sized dog I might make a small play on him.

[poopoo333]

Krzysztof Soszynski vs. Igor Pokrajac Confirmed for UFC 140 in Toronto (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/9/22/2442801/krzysztof-soszynski-vs-igor-pokrajac-confirmed-for-ufc-140-in-toronto)

[SPX]

I can't imagine K-Sos losing that one.

[Luke]

I can't imagine K-Sos losing that one.

Stop being racist

[poopoo333]

I can't imagine K-Sos losing that one.

I was going to bet him the 1st time they were supposed to fight @-220ish but I am kind of reluctant now. K-Sos has had like 10 knee surgeries.

[SPX]

K-Sos just dominated Michael Madsen or whatever his name is not too long ago without a whole lot of trouble. I'm not concerned. By UFC standards, I really don't think Pokerjack is very good, whereas K-Sos is solid.

[zY|]

K-Sos just dominated Michael Madsen or whatever his name is not too long ago without a whole lot of trouble.

http://wearemoviegeeks.com/wp-content/qtwtop10_mrblonde.jpg

[poopoo333]

K-Sos just dominated Michael Madsen or whatever his name is not too long ago without a whole lot of trouble. I'm not concerned. By UFC standards, I really don't think Pokerjack is very good, whereas K-Sos is solid.

Mike Massenzio, the MW that was beating Stann up until he got triangled, the MW that took the fight on less than a weeks notice, and the MW that is a fucking MW and not a LHW!!!!!

GOD DAMN MMA MATH

[poopoo333]

I think K Sos will win if his game plan is to grapple and not to fight btw. If it was all on the feet Igor would have a good shot

[SPX]

Mike Massenzio, the MW that was beating Stann up until he got triangled, the MW that took the fight on less than a weeks notice, and the MW that is a fucking MW and not a LHW!!!!!

GOD DAMN MMA MATH

BOL @ PP. Nigga cries "MMAth" anytime you say anything about how a fighter performed against another fighter.

Anyway, go bet Pokerjack you fucking crybaby.

[poopoo333]

BOL @ PP. Nigga cries "MMAth" anytime you say anything about how a fighter performed against another fighter.

Anyway, go bet Pokerjack you fucking crybaby.

Well the way you put it, it's true.

I already said I thought K Sos was gonna win, why would I bet Pokrajac?

[SPX]

My point is that never throughout his entire career have I ever seen K-Sos have any problems with his knees, including in his last fight.

[poopoo333]

My point is that never throughout his entire career have I ever seen K-Sos have any problems with his knees, including in his last fight.

I've never seen Shogun literally have problems with his knees in a fight. I have never seen Tito Ortiz call time out for a bad back or neck in his fights either.

All I am saying is that K Sos has had seven knee surgeries. People throw a fit about Shogun having 2 or 3.

[SPX]

I wouldn't worry about it unless it seems to affect his performance or he starts complaining about it.

[poopoo333]

I wouldn't worry about it unless it seems to affect his performance or he starts complaining about it.

There you go with MMA Math again

[SPX]

http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_leu1ipAD4S1qe7n09o1_400.jpg

[Luke]

::popcorn::

[poopoo333]

UFC 140 briefly adds Phil Davis vs. Lyoto Machida, but UFC boss 'jumped gun' (Updated) (http://mmajunkie.com/news/25430/ufc-140-adds-phil-davis-vs-lyoto-machida.mma)

[Luke]

^^negged for wasting forum space

[SPX]

They need to get Machida fighting SOMEONE and fast. I'm sick of this shit. He needs to rack up a few wins and fight Jones ASAP.

[poopoo333]

I don't want to see Machida vs Davis anyways, even though it will probably happen. Build both up, give them both title shots. After them...who is left @ 205? (assuming Jones beats Rashad). Gustaffsson is too far off to talk about him fighting for the title in 2012 imo

[SPX]

Just Hendo.

[poopoo333]

Just Hendo.

Oh yeah I forgot about him. Well assuming he beats Shogun.

[SPX]

Speaking of that, is there Strikeforce belt hereby vacated or what? IS there even a belt anymore?

[poopoo333]

I'm pretty sure Strikeforce is just gonna be vacated altogether in 2012

[SPX]

Probably so. With Hendo coming to the UFC though that seems like an admission that the division is dead. He's obviously not going to defend the belt and I can't see Zuffa going through the steps to crown a new champ.

[zY|]

Think I read he vacated.

[poopoo333]

So potential match ups for Jones @ LHW:

Hendo
Machida
Davis
Thiago Silva
Gustafsson (this will be awhile)

I don't see Griffin ever getting back that high up the rankings. Shogun and Rampage title shots don't really make sense, those fights weren't competitive at all. If Rashad/Jones is competitive we can get a rematch there since that fight is gonna be a huge "grudge match" and will make for easy promotion.

Strikeforce guys who have potential to come over and get some wins: Feijao, King Mo, and Mousasi.

This is assuming Jones really does end up beating everybody ...I would like to see all of those^^ Maybe one day Jones/Anderson Silva will happen.

[SPX]

I understand you have to grasp at straws in a situation like this, but if Jones and Thiago Silva fight it will only be because there's no one else. Kind of like GSP/Hardy.

[poopoo333]

Well if Thiago Silva strings some wins together and beats a name guy he can get the shot. I think Thiago has legit shots at beating lil nog, franklin, and tito.

[MMA_scientist]

I think Mo or Feijao can earn a shot with a couple wins. But realistically, by the time he gets through Rashad, Davis, Machida, and Hendo, that could be 2 years or more. There will be a whole new crop of guys by then.

[poopoo333]

True. Jardine may also be ressurected by then too.

[SPX]

I think Mo or Feijao can earn a shot with a couple wins. But realistically, by the time he gets through Rashad, Davis, Machida, and Hendo, that could be 2 years or more. There will be a whole new crop of guys by then.

Maybe, but is there really a whole new crop of guys--at least guys who could realistically fight for the title--today than there was 2 years ago? Not really. Still Machida, Rashad, Shogun, Rampage. . .

JONES was the new crop. So I guess maybe we could get another Jones.

[SPX]

True. Jardine may also be ressurected by then too.

War You-Know-Who

[poopoo333]

Frank Mir -255
Big Nog +205

[SPX]

Mir should kill him, but that line's gay after what Nog just accomplished.

[Vandelay]

I'll take mur at those odds

[poopoo333]

I'll take mur at those odds

Me too. I am gonna wait though. I'm not really sure how Mir loses this one.

[MMA_scientist]

Maybe, but is there really a whole new crop of guys--at least guys who could realistically fight for the title--today than there was 2 years ago? Not really. Still Machida, Rashad, Shogun, Rampage. . .

JONES was the new crop. So I guess maybe we could get another Jones.

Phil Davis was not even in the UFC 2 years ago, Jones was coming off a win over Jake Obrien. Bader (not a contender now, but was) had only a win over Carmelo Marrero. Gustaffson had not fought in the UFC yet (i know he is not a contender yet, but he is one win away from being in the picture).

Just saying, someone will appear.

[Luke]

Maybe, but is there really a whole new crop of guys--at least guys who could realistically fight for the title--today than there was 2 years ago? Not really. Still Machida, Rashad, Shogun, Rampage. . .

JONES was the new crop. So I guess maybe we could get another Jones.

Just about every other weight class there is .

[Luke]

Nog isnt winning that fight

[edman5555]

Well if Thiago Silva strings some wins together and beats a name guy he can get the shot. I think Thiago has legit shots at beating lil nog, franklin, and tito.

I second that but not because I think he will get a title shot anytime soon. I just think he is really fucking good. He was ko'd by machida, but machida is one of the best fighters in the world. Thiago outwrestled b vera for 3 rounds like he was a toy, granted he was on roids at the time. However I think most of them take roids of some kind. Aside from that he has great ko power and a black belt in jiu jitsu. All those three components make for a great fighter.

[poopoo333]

UFC 140: Jon Jones vs. Rashad Evans Likely for Main Event in Toronto (http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/10/5/2471540/ufc-140-jon-jones-vs-rashad-evans-likely-for-main-event-in-toronto)
Card is stacked as fuck

[edman5555]

Nog is probably going to perform better this time around. His knees and hips will be in better shape and he will most likely not be coming off of staph.

[Luke]

Nog is probably going to perform better this time around. His knees and hips will be in better shape and he will most likely not be coming off of staph.

He is still a shot fighter. Nog was getting tagged pretty bad by Schaub until glass chin got caught ,wouldnt be surprised if the Mir fight went the same way minus the glass chin.

[edman5555]

Yeah you could be right. Something to consider is the fact that nog pushed his recovery to fight there. We could see a nog a little better than that. I can't call this one.

[Luke]

Yeah you could be right. Something to consider is the fact that nog pushed his recovery to fight there. We could see a nog a little better than that. I can't call this one.

There's no way I'm laying -255 on Frank Mir

[Vandelay]

Jones vs Machida

http://mmajunkie.com/news/25561/ufc-140-headliner-features-champ-jon-jones-vs-lyoto-machida.mma

[poopoo333]

Jones/Machida is set. Erection achieved

[poopoo333]

Ninjad' by seconds

[Vandelay]

Damnit pp, check the forum b4 u post.

[edman5555]

I think Machida can beat him...I guess Jones has to be favored as usual but Machida is different than anyone Jones has fought so far. He has great striking plus he can stay on his feet.

[edman5555]

That said, JJ will probably dominate him.

[Ludo]

Wow, Rashad can't catch a break can he?

[Mr. IWS]

Wow, Rashad can't catch a break can he?

Sounds like he did.........

[SPX]

Awwwww, SHIT!!!

Fuckin' awesome. And just the other day I heard Lyoto tweeted that he wouldn't be fighting again until next year.

This is by far THE most interesting matchup for Jones. WAR MUTHAFUCKIN' MACHIDA!

[poopoo333]

Yeah I can't wait for this fight. To me it is the most interesting fight @ LHW.

[SPX]

Too bad we still have a while to wait. December is not exactly right around the corner. Not TOO far off, but not soon either.

[Mr. IWS]

December is not exactly right around the corner. Not TOO far off, but not soon either.

wat?

[sbjj]

Damn, if Bones beats Machida. he straight out beat Shogun, Rampage, and Machida right in a row, That would be hell of impressive.

Personally, I think Machida is his stiffest test out there right now.

[poopoo333]

Line guesses?

[Mr. IWS]

Personally, I think Machida is his stiffest test out there right now.

I agree. Styles makes fights. I think Machida has the one to beat Bones.

[poopoo333]

I think if Rampage was able to walk Machida down and get him pressed against the cage/take him down Jones can.

[poopoo333]

Jones -375/Machida +275

[Svino]

Jones -375/Machida +275

I thought it might be a littler closer, but I think that's a pretty well-set line.

[edman5555]

This should be interesting.

[SPX]

wat?

UFC 140 . . . Dec. 10

[SPX]

Fuck it, half a unit on Machida.

[zY|]

Jones vs Machida

http://mmajunkie.com/news/25561/ufc-140-headliner-features-champ-jon-jones-vs-lyoto-machida.mma

The fuck?

[Svino]

I guess Evans "faked an injury" to duck a fight with Jones.

[SPX]

Luke is thoroughly convinced that this was Dana's idea and that he has "screwed Evans."

[poopoo333]

Ariel Helwani: How did this fight come about?
Jon Jones: The way the fight came about was Dana called me into his office just a few days ago, and he asked me to fight Rashad Evans at UFC 140. Without hesitation, I said 'absolutely'. There's nothing I want to do more than to get past this Rashad Evans chapter in my career, because it's been a nuisance. He's been the antagonist in my career. So, I'm predicting that maybe Rashad thought that I would turn the fight down, knowing that I just got done finishing my title fight. I'm sure he thought that I would say no to him, and I'm sure he would have went with the approach of, 'Oh well, Jon Jones is ducking me again; he turns down the fight in nine weeks.' To his surprise, I took the fight, and after I took the fight, he decides that his hand isn't ready, and he's going to need more time. So, with me already agreeing with Dana that I would take a fight at UFC 140, Dana called me back and said, 'Hey, listen, Rashad decided that he can't compete at UFC 140, what would think about fighting Lyoto Machida?' And I said 'absolutely'. My feet were swollen after my fight, but they are healed now, and I want to fight. My health is good, I'm a young guy, and I want to fight. So I took the fight against Lyoto in nine weeks from now. This is four fights in 10 months against three former champions in the same year. I don't think that's ever been done.

Did you tell the UFC that since Evans wasn't ready to fight in December that you would rather wait a month or two to fight him so you can finally put this beef behind you?
Well, Dana White basically needed someone to save 140. I didn't necessarily want to fight at 140, but because it was Rashad, I said, 'You know what? I would take the fight in nine weeks.' I'm already in shape. I already know what I want to do. Rashad, predicting that I would say no, he kind of kicked himself in the butt because I said yes, he turns around and says, 'Oh, I didn't expect Jon to say yes. I don't want to fight him that soon.' So in reality, he's kind of the one who's ducking the fight. I feel like he's ducking the fight.

So you think he was trying to force your hand so you would look bad in the fans' eyes, but you then forced his hand?
Exactly. 100 percent that's what I'm trying to get at. He's tried to call me out on nine weeks' notice. Obviously, who wants to fight on nine weeks' notice? I just got a new car, I want to drive that around. I want to hang out with my family and relax and sleep in my own bed for once. And now Rashad calls me out, predicting that I would say no, to make me look like I was ducking him again, and I say yes, and now he says, Oh, I didn't know he would say yes. I don't want to fight him. He called Dana White, asked for 140, Dana White called me and said Rashad wants this fight. I gave him the fight he wanted and then he pulled out.

Is a part of you disappointed that this rivalry will now drag on even longer?
Obviously all my energy is on Lyoto Machida now. Rashad is just a small part of my being right now. I don't really think about Rashad that much. But it annoys me. The reason why I took the fight on nine weeks' notice is because I wanted it to be over. Like I said, Rashad is the biggest antagonist of my career. He's the biggest hater. He has so much envy. I don't write him, he writes me. He harasses me pretty much. He is so envious and so jealous and it's so obvious, he doesn't even try to hide it. And after I beat him, he's going to hate me even more. So, pretty much the only reason I took the fight is because I thought I was fighting Rashad, and now that I'm fighting Lyoto. Obviously, I'll get up for Lyoto because Lyoto is a worthy and awesome opponent - way better than Rashad Evans, I think. So to anyone who thinks I would duck Rashad by not waiting, let them know that there's nothing more than I would want to do than fight Rashad Evans. Dana asked me to fight at UFC 140, so I am doing this for the UFC.

Do you think Rashad should have to fight someone else now before fighting you?
Yeah. Obviously, I want to fight him. But how long are you going to get to wait and sit around? You go from not fighting for a whole year, and then you get a fight like Tito Oritz, which everybody knows where Tito is at in his career, and now he just gets to sit around and be the No. 1 contender again? It looks like he's the one that's sitting on his glory and riding his glory. There's tons of guys out there. I think when he gets better, he should have to fight Phil Davis or Dan Henderson. How does he get the right to just sit around and say who he is going to fight and when he is going to fight and continue to be the No. 1 contender while everybody else fights all year long?

What do you think about fighting Machida?
I feel great about the fight. Lyoto, I respect him dearly. He's an awesome, awesome guy. I love the way that he carries himself outside of the Octagon. He has a little bit more of that warrior spirit, something that I believe I have, as well. I'm excited to fight somebody with honor. Somebody who respects this sport. You know, fighting a guy like 'Rampage,' all the talk and making our sport look bad. Fighting a guy like Rashad, all the talking, you know, it's not WWF, it's the UFC. Lyoto understands that. So I'm excited to not have to be forced to talk so much. Not be forced to degrade my opponent verbally, but to compete against him the way it's supposed to be.

I think Lyoto Machida is a tougher fight for me than Rashad Evans. I'm fighting the guy who knocked out Rashad Evans. Lyoto is a a completely different test for me. He's the first southpaw that I've ever fought. Rashad sat out a whole year and waited for Shogun. I'm not taking off a year. I think Rashad is the one that needs to be questioned. His credibility needs to be questioned. He said he had a knee injury, now it's a thumb injury. What's it going to be next? He's going to have a toe injury? I'm not the one who took off a whole year to wait for a fight. I'm fighting in between fights. I'm looking to fight as much as possible.

..

[Luke]

Luke is thoroughly convinced that this was Dana's idea and that he has "screwed Evans."


I didnt say it like that. I asked why is Dana screwing Evans and letting Machida fight Jone and you said "he has an injury" ,I said "don't believe that" and when you asked why I said "because Dana is full of shit all the time."

I do believe Evans is faking shit though and Dana is covering for him

[poopoo333]

Lil Nog -140, Tito +110

5u on Lil Nog for me

[Svino]

I like Nog a lot at that line.

[poopoo333]

I like Nog a lot at that line.

Me too...I bet heavy on it because I thought it would shoot up..guess I was wrong?

[poopoo333]

Mark Hominick is probably going to F Korean Zombie in the A....line guesses on this one?

[SPX]

Yeah, I would be very surprised if Zombie won. I bet Hominick opens at -300 or worse.

[poopoo333]

Jared Hamman vs. Constantinos Philippou added to UFC 140 in Toronto All in on Hamman

[edman5555]

hominick is a good bet IMO

[poopoo333]

Rory MacDonald injured....so it is Ebersole/Claude Patrick now

[SPX]

Ebersole shall win.

[poopoo333]

Ebersole shall win.

Why? I can see Patrick grinding out a decision

[SPX]

Yeah, that's definitely a possibility.

I just think that Ebersole will find a way to win, just like he found a way to win against both Hallman and Lytle. I'm hoping the odds won't be too shitty, but I think Ebersole will come in as a fairly big favorite.

[trotterz]

Yeah, that's definitely a possibility.

I just think that Ebersole will find a way to win, just like he found a way to win against both Hallman and Lytle. I'm hoping the odds won't be too shitty, but I think Ebersole will come in as a fairly big favorite.

I am pretty sure that Patrick will be the favorite

If you want to bet Ebersole, you will probably get him at + odds for sure

[poopoo333]

I am pretty sure that Patrick will be the favorite

If you want to bet Ebersole, you will probably get him at + odds for sure

Yeah I agree

[poopoo333]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1Hgvq_7MM8&feature=player_embedded

[SPX]

I am pretty sure that Patrick will be the favorite

If you want to bet Ebersole, you will probably get him at + odds for sure


Yeah I agree


I sure hope y'all are both right. Got my fingers crossed.

[trotterz]

I sure hope y'all are both right. Got my fingers crossed.
I would be really really suprised to see Ebersole as the favorite.
And if Ebersole comes out as the favorite ... just wait a couple days and you will see the line move in your favor and he will become the dog.

[SPX]

I just don't understand that. What's Patrick done to suggest that he should be the favorite?

They both have proven to have good grappling skills and Ebersole has the better wins.

[MMA_scientist]

I think Ebersole will be the favorite and will stay at least close to even. I don't see either guy getting past -150

[poopoo333]

MAIN CARD (Pay-per-view)


Champ Jon Jones vs. Lyoto Machida (for light-heavyweight title)
Frank Mir vs. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
Antonio Rogerio Nogueira vs. Tito Ortiz
Brian Ebersole vs. Claude Patrick
Mark Hominick vs. Chan Sung Jung

PRELIMINARY CARD

Igor Pokrajac vs. Krzysztof Soszynski
Dennis Hallman vs. John Makdessi
Rich Attonito vs. Claude Patrick
Mark Bocek vs. Nik Lentz
Jared Hamman vs. Constantinos Philippou
John Cholish vs. Mitch Clarke
Yves Jabouin vs. Walel Watson

[edman5555]

I like hominick, hamman and hallman.

[poopoo333]

I like hominick, hamman and hallman.

Same here. I have 5u on Lil Nog right now and will probably play Mir.

[edman5555]

Tito might be able to take lil nog down

[poopoo333]

Tito might be able to take lil nog down

Maybe, but Lil Nog's T3D against Davis (in the 1st) looked great, IIRC Davis had to switch to the single leg to get Nog down and failed each double leg. Lil Nog has been preparing for wrestlers since UFC 114, I am sure his T3D has gotten good enough to be able to sprawl and brawl Tito to a decision

[Svino]

Do you think Hallman will be able to get Makdessi down reliably? I'm not so sure.

[edman5555]

Good points.

[edman5555]

Tito at plus 160 isn't good enough.

[poopoo333]

Do you think Hallman will be able to get Makdessi down reliably? I'm not so sure.

Hard to tell. Hallman is definitely the best grappler Makdessi has fought though.

[SPX]

Yeah, there's just not a lot of info on Makdessi yet. He's fought in the UFC . . . once, right?

With that said, hopefully TKD and Karate will put the smackdown on wrestling, but we'll see.

[poopoo333]

Yeah, there's just not a lot of info on Makdessi yet. He's fought in the UFC . . . once, right?

With that said, hopefully TKD and Karate will put the smackdown on wrestling, but we'll see.

Twice...he literally fucked Pat Audinwood and Kyle Watson right in the ass.

[SPX]

Oh snap, I need to see the Watson fight then. Didn't know about that one.

[poopoo333]

Oh snap, I need to see the Watson fight then. Didn't know about that one.

Nigga you bet on Makdessi in that fight

[SPX]

Did I?

Well shit.

I never saw it. I just tried finding a video but there is literally no way to ever find videos anymore. And then I looked for a torrent but couldn't find one with that prelim listed.

BTW, torrent comment from UFC 129:

"St Pierre is a great fighter but he got his ass kicked by this college student looking gay kid. . ."

[poopoo333]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7BdeQ0WGwUA/TbyPrM3RWJI/AAAAAAAACiM/gnrwuNSxCOQ/s1600/Kyle+Watson+vs.+John+Makdessi+7.gif

[SPX]

Where's the rest of it?

[mike]

Watson's td suck though and couldnt take Makdessi down. Makdessi has very good footwork and strikes but he's small. i think Hallman will have no trouble taking and keeping him down. I will be on Hallman. He lost me money last time against that badass Aussie dude cuz I thought he could control that dude on the ground. He couldnt and that hairrow dude has a slick ground game. Makdessi isnt as good as that Aussi though

[SPX]

I agree that Makdessi is small.

I remember when I saw the Audinwood fight that I thought he should be fighting at 155.

[Svino]

I would definitely say that Audinwood has pretty weak TD's for a wrestler.

[poopoo333]

Makdessi does fight at 155.

[MMA_scientist]

I never saw it. I just tried finding a video but there is literally no way to ever find videos anymore.

Almost all of the UFC fights are 1channel.ch

You can literally find anything on there, so I guess I owe sideloaded for that.

Here is the putlocker link for the UFC 129 prelims (with makdessi/watson): http://www.putlocker.com/file/BDEADF60130D5FAD

[mike]

Scientist, how do I use that 1channel.ch site ? I tried searching "dennis hallman" and nothing ccame up

[SPX]

Makdessi does fight at 155.

Dude, why do you keep correcting me today?

Is Hallman going down?

I guess I just haven't been paying enough attention lately. . .

[SPX]

Almost all of the UFC fights are 1channel.ch

You can literally find anything on there, so I guess I owe sideloaded for that.

Here is the putlocker link for the UFC 129 prelims (with makdessi/watson): http://www.putlocker.com/file/BDEADF60130D5FAD


Awesome, thanks!

[poopoo333]

Dude, why do you keep correcting me today?

Is Hallman going down?

I guess I just haven't been paying enough attention lately. . .

Well I figured you should know that he is a 155er. Hallman is going down (again).

[SPX]

Indeed. I didn't hear Hallman was going down and couldn't remember what weight Audinwood fought at so I just assumed.

[SPX]

Watched Watson/Makdessi.

Fairly even first half of the fight and then Makdessi took over before putting that nigga straight to bed.

I have my doubts about him getting past Hallman, though.

[edman5555]

It's funny because I thought Hallman had some medical issue that made it hard for him to cut weight, maybe I am thinking of someone else. If he is healthy, he should be pretty damn strong at 155.

[MMA_scientist]

Scientist, how do I use that 1channel.ch site ? I tried searching "dennis hallman" and nothing ccame up

it is mostly movies and tv shows. You have to search by title of the show... under the movies. Just type "UFC" in the search box and a list of EUFC events will come up. It has entire events, not single fights.

Click on the event, then it will give you a list of links. The putlocker and sockshare links are generally the best, but they all work usually. If you pull up a putlocker or sockshare link, let the time count down and click "continue as free user". Then it will load (along with a few popups). Click the WHITE play button on the screen and the video will play (if you click the red one, it takes you somewhere else).

[poopoo333]

It's funny because I thought Hallman had some medical issue that made it hard for him to cut weight, maybe I am thinking of someone else. If he is healthy, he should be pretty damn strong at 155.

It is him, 2 min in. He was going to drop to LW before but didn't...he has always been a WW I think. I guess he is going through with it now


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Z1nUj4k1kM&feature=player_embedded

[edman5555]

I will be on Hallman, Hamman, Bocek, Hominick, and Mir. I'm hoping to get someone as a dog. I probably wont take mir unless I can get him around -200.

[poopoo333]

Bocek/Lentz is going to be close but I give the slight edge to Bocek. Hominick is gonna be a heavy favorite probably, as well as Hamman. Hallman -180 or better is a good bet. I will probably parlay Hominick/Mir.

[Vandelay]

What happens when ncaa zombie shows up?

[edman5555]

ncaa zombie? The thing with Bocek/Lentz for me is the fact that Lentz doesn't seem to offer a lot standing and I feel that Bocek is a better grappler. Hominick should be able to handle the Zomnbie. I am sure he will be a huge favorite.

[SPX]

Yeah, Hominick's line is going to be gay. I bet he settles in around -500.

[Vandelay]

Zombie has been training with team alpha. Hominick wont sub him off his back

[SPX]

I think Hominick will just put on a boxing clinic like he did against Garcia.

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/fights/4795.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

Opened @ -248/+192 in favor of Ebersole

Probably not gonna touch that fight^^

I hope 5 dimes opens up the Hominick/KZ line today too and fucks that one up. 5 dimes is always off on opening lines

[SPX]

I told you fagz Ebersole would open as the fave.

Hopefully his line will improve or at least stay where it is by the time BM or Sportsbook opens it. I would bet him at -130.

[AC88]

I think Zombie can win and I'm betting on him. What else can Hominick to do Zombie other than outstrike him on the feet? Zombie has way more tools.

[SPX]

Hominick's pretty solid all around. I don't think Zombie will be able to get Hominick down, and on the feet he's just not good enough.

[High5]

5d's has got Mcdonald on the distance prop

Ebersole/MacDonald goes 3 round distance

[AC88]

Hominick's pretty solid all around. I don't think Zombie will be able to get Hominick down, and on the feet he's just not good enough.

I disagree. Rewatch Aldo vs Hominick. Before Aldo gassed, he was taking Hominick down AT WILL. Yes, comparing Zombie and Aldo may be off, but I think Zombie can get it to the floor and capatalize somehow - even if it means getting dropped with a punch and landing on his back.

[SPX]

Well I would like to see Zombie win that fight, but I just don't see it. And I'd take Hominick at -300 or better.

[Vandelay]

good too see someone else share my opinion ac. Hominick has one good rd against a tired aldo and all of a sudden he is the second best fighter at 145. Mark still isn't very good off his back and his tdd isnt great either.

[AC88]

I'll take Zombie at +150 or better - this will be good

[poopoo333]

I just haven't seen enough of KZ's TD game...the only time I have seen his grappling is against Garcia. Do you guys think the Shawn Tompkins death stress will make this performance better or worse for Hominick? He is either gonna be fired up or maybe he hasn't had the best training camp because of it.

[SPX]

Ta da. . .


http://www.bestfightodds.com/fights/3943.png

[Luke]

::thumbup::

[SPX]

I just wanted to mention that I put a little underdog bet on O'Brien to beat Jones.

BOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[AC88]

I just wanted to mention that I put a little underdog bet on O'Brien to beat Jones.

BOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL.

[MMA_scientist]

I am looking at Hamman and Cholish for bets. I have been watching Cholish for a little while, I like his style, and the guy he is fighting looks like another bjj guy but he has been fighting weak comp. Cholish has been in bigger fights, he also has the wrestling edge. I like that bet, but it being a UFC debut, the line can't be too steep, I am thinking ro -220 or so. I am looking at Hamman to use his wrestling and basically win a decision like Catone did.

What's everyone thinking? I know everyone is looking at Bocek, it will depend on the line for me. I think he will come in around -175, but who knows.

I like Nog to beat Tito, but I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Tito win a decision with his wrestling. Lil Nog can't beat wrestlers, and Tito is very solid if he can get the takedown. He also has decent striking defense. I think it is Tito or nothing there.

Mir should beat Big Nog again I guess, I really don't know. I don't bet Mir fights anymore, he is too hard to cap.

Jones is -450, which even as dominant as Jones has been, I still won't pay that price. I can't bet Machida either, because how do you bet against Jones at this point. The guy has won every minute of every fight he has had.

No thoughts on Ebersole/Patrick. I think it is close, slight edge to Ebersole for being huge. I think the line is about right.

Hominick should beat KZ IMO. I really don't think KZ is the type of fighter who can wrestle his way to a decision... maybe he can submit him, but that's his only real out IMO. He is going to get picked apart standing, and if Aldo couldn't put him away when he dropped him 4 times, I doubt KZ can.


tl/dr: I like Cholish and Hamman. What are you guys looking at?

[Vandelay]

I already have a unit on kz at plus 280. I will be betting Mir pretty big, Probably throw unit on Machida, I like Hamman as well, I was thinking about tito until he started talking retirement. also, maybe not machida by sub, not tito by sub, not nog/mir by sub, not patrick by sub, not hominick by sub if the odds are around -200

[poopoo333]

I am going to bet a lot on Hamman probably...I hope his line is good. Probably will be worse than -200 though

Igor might be an OK dog bet against K Sos..I bet K Sos in this fight before it fell apart for UFC 131, but he has had another knee surgery and he is pretty banged up. Listening to an interview he had with Karyn Bryant, he sounded unsure of how much longer he was going to fight because of it's mental and physical toll on him etc etc. He might not be in the best place right now. K Sos' path to victory in this fight is to duplicate Bonnar's gameplan imo

Hallman beats Makdessi unless Makdessi proves to be some T3D/grappling wizard we know nothing about (or if he catches Hallman early). Makdessi throws a lot of kicks too, so that's more chances for Hallman to get the TD. I am worried about Hallman's cut to 155 though..he is old and stuff..it might be tough.

I think Bocek/Lentz might open up close to even, won't even be surprised to see Bocek open as a dog


I have 5u on Lil Nog right now..I don't think Tito can out wrestle him for 2/3 rounds. Tito will probably slow down a lot after the 1st round anyways. I think Lil Nog stuffs him and outboxes him comfortably. He has been preparing for wrestlers since UFC 114 for the most part. Tito is talking retirement and all that stuff...he is probably injured again and we will hear all about it after the fight.

[SPX]

I have .5u on Machida and 1.25u on Ebersole.

Hominick's line's a bit on the high side right now and it's probably not coming down. So he might go into a parlay.

I'm coming around on Bocek. You really think he will be -175, Scientist? I doubt he will be that high.

I'll take K-sos over Igor if the odds are reasonable.

Not touching Mir/Nog or Tito/Nog.

Everything else will require some more research for me to have an opinion.

[SPX]

I think Bocek/Lentz might open up close to even, won't even be surprised to see Bocek open as a dog

I think so, too. If Bocek does come in as the fave then I think it will be around -140 at the worst.

[sbjj]

The only reason I have been so high on Bocek is because I assumed the line would be good. -175 would suck. I probably would not even bet it.

I am starting to think Ebersole is now the play. And I also like Hamman if the price is right. Maybe Jabouin if the price is right also.

[AC88]

0.25U on Zombie at +300. Whoooooot

[MMA_scientist]

I am just guessing on the line... which is an art that I have not yet mastered. I am just basing it on Lentz getting destroyed in his last fight and Bocek has been fighting tougher guys. I could be totally wrong, which I usually am on opening lines.

Anyone look at Cholish or his opponent? Cholish is a D1 wrestler (Cornell, I think- but unlike every other sport, the Ivy League is actually really damn good at wrestling), and is training at Renzo Gracie's. His opponent is undefeated, buyt it looks like he has been can smashing, while Cholish has been fighting progressivly stiffer comp. And he usually wins by submission, which will be tough against Cholish.

[poopoo333]

Haven't looked at it..I will just tail you

[sbjj]

I think Cholish is pretty damn good. But I have never seen Clarke fight. He seems to have a bit of hype behind him. he has a bunch of pics and video on his Facebook page. i am going to watch some of his fights.

[SPX]

Haven't looked at it..I will just tail you

Ditto.

[sbjj]

Funny, both seem to be submission fighters. The 2 fights I saw of Cholish he looked real slick and real quick. He also has a nice mix of different subs against decent competition. Clarke has 2 RNC's and 2 Giullotines against what looks like sub par opposition. I wonder Scientist, are these not the easiest subs to apply to outmatched opponents. I remember Colish pulling off an extrememly slick kneebar in a fight I saw of his. I am just wondering if this is a case of one guy being the better BJJ guy even though the records might not indicate that.

[MMA_scientist]

^^ that is pretty much my thought. Both guys are coming to grapple, but Cholish is better, and also has the wrestling edge. The guy he pulled the kneebar on was a d1 wrestler himself.
As far as guillotines, that is one of those submissions, you either have a good guillotine or you don't. There is technique to it, like anything, but there are alot of different ways to apply it, including just being incredibly strong. So yeah, guillotine submissions are pretty easy to snag without being that great of an all around grappler. The RNC is a little different IMO, because it takes a certain level of dominance to get to the back. The sub itself if just the cherry on top, the real accomplishment is getting the back.

For me, Cholish has just shown he can do it at a higher level AND he has the wrestling out. That said, he may be a big favorite... I really have no idea where that opens. I am certainly not going to pay a lot to bet it.

[AC88]

I'd MUCH rather bet that Ebersole/Patrick goes to decision than pick a winner. This fight is going to be pretty hard to choose. I may play Ebersole small if anything.

[SPX]

Ebersole might just put Patrick in a coffin like he did to Hallman.

[MMA_scientist]

Patrick showed some pretty solid grappling against Roberts. Roberts is a solid grappler in his own right, but I would say not as good as Hallman. Of course, Hallman had Ebersole's back within about 20 seconds IIRC.

[AC88]

My hesitation for pulling something on Ebersole is seeing that Patrick is training in many different camps including the Blackzilian camp in Florida and with Mark Munoz's team out in California. Am I just thinking too much? Obviously, just because you train with people at such a high level, it doesn't automatically make you great (ie. Leonard Garcia, Cub Swanson and etc.). But, with a line that close and seeing Patrick takes his training that seriously, it makes it hard to bet against him.

[SPX]

I think that Ebersole has the advantage in that he's shown he's good all-around. He may not be as good of a pure wrestler as Patrick is, but he's proven that he's pretty damn good, and even more than that he's shown that he can really damage someone with his fists if he gets in position to do so. I don't feel like Patrick has shown us that.

[edman5555]

I feel like Claude might take it. Ebersole has 9 sub losses and he was getting his ass handed to him by an injured Hallman. He does manage to win though.

[SPX]

Could happen. Patrick certainly has a lot of sub wins. Just looking at his record though I feel like level of competition might have a lot to do with that.

[mike]

i think Patrick can win just by controling Ebersole. Patrick seems to have good game plans and execute them well. I will wait to see how the first round goes and use the live betting. I win more with live betting.

[SPX]

Patrick's not winning, motherfucker!

You can take your 126 posts and get the fuck out with that shit!

[SPX]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/fights/4600.png

[SPX]

2u on K-Sos at -200

[Mr. IWS]

Patrick's not winning, motherfucker!

You can take your 126 posts and get the fuck out with that shit!

lolyumad?

[sbjj]

I believe Ebersole was a D-1 wrestler. I have serious doubts Patrick will control him.

[poopoo333]

http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/451.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)

[poopoo333]

Too bad my bookmaker is all tied up, I'd go kinda heavy on Hallman.

Bocek -140..who was closest at guessing that?

[MMA_scientist]

Hallman at + odds. I am going to have to take that. Disappointed to see Cholish @ -215, hoped it would be cheaper, still probably bet it though. Hamman, WTF -275?

[poopoo333]

Yeah I figured that -275 line would happen....that bookmaker oddsmaker guy isn't a retard like the 5dimes one.

[MMA_scientist]

Too bad my bookmaker is all tied up, I'd go kinda heavy on Hallman.

Bocek -140..who was closest at guessing that?

Not me. I said -175. I think it still might end up there.

[MMA_scientist]

Yeah I figured that -275 line would happen....that bookmaker oddsmaker guy isn't a retard like the 5dimes one.

Do you think the line is correct?

[sbjj]

I like Hallman.

[poopoo333]

Do you think the line is correct?

Probably. He is going to win easily

[MMA_scientist]

Yeah, I thought Hallman would be the favorite. I am definitely going to bet that if the line holds.

[poopoo333]

Somebody put $60 on Hallman for me

[MMA_scientist]

I think so, too. If Bocek does come in as the fave then I think it will be around -140 at the worst.

::praise::

[poopoo333]

Somebody put $60 on Hallman for me

Or not. FUCK YOU ALL

[poopoo333]

Considering a Mir/Hamman parlay

[poopoo333]

Or maybe Attonito/Hamman

help me out brehs

[SPX]

::praise::

Thank you . . . thank you . . .

It does suck that I was right though, and sucks even more than his line has shifted in the wrong direction. I probably would've taken him at -140 . . . not sure I want to do it at -160.

[poopoo333]

It does suck that I was right though, and sucks even more than his line has shifted in the wrong direction. I probably would've taken him at -140 . . . not sure I want to do it at -160.

Does that even really matter? Seriously...we both use $20 units, that's $4 more to win a unit.

[SPX]

It's about discipline. If you set a line/% and really believe that you're right, and you take a worse line, then you've just become a gambler and are playing without an advantage. I'm certainly not saying that I never do that, but I try not to.

[MMA_scientist]

I guess there was value on Cholish @ -215. He is already -350. I really need to put some money in BM account. The feds scared me away and I never went back. The boat, I missed it.

[sbjj]

I think -350 is insane. I am thinking of a small bet on Clarke.

[SPX]

I guess there was value on Cholish @ -215. He is already -350. I really need to put some money in BM account. The feds scared me away and I never went back. The boat, I missed it.

You should at least keep like 5u in there or something.

[MMA_scientist]

Yep. I have been burned a couple of times now, but this is by far the worst yet. I just didn't see a need to fund it because half of the time they don't open lines, and much of the time the line holds until 5d or I am on the other side of it. But I am not going to lie, this one hurts, because I am not betting that line. Actually, I may take the other side of it now.

[poopoo333]

Hamman is down to -245 @ bookmaker

btw, I don't understand the Hallman line at all. Is it because he is dropping to LW?

[Mr. IWS]

Im gonna be on Mir for sure here. Im really tempted to throw a couple bucks on Machida.

[SPX]

btw, I don't understand the Hallman line at all. Is it because he is dropping to LW?

Probably a combo of:

1. Hallman dropping to LW
2. Hallman getting smashed in his last fight
3. Makdessi looking impressive so far w/ solid T3D at least as far as he has been tested in that area

With that said, I think Hallman should be the fave. But I only dropped .5u on him because of the above.

[AC88]

I'm leaning on Makdessi over Hallman people.

[sbjj]

The thing that worries me about Hallman(besides 1st cut) is that he just does not seem to take shots very well as of late.

[MMA_scientist]

He is definitely getting older. I don't think Hallman is a lock or anything, but I do think he has value @ +odds.

[edman5555]

The thing that worries me about Hallman(besides 1st cut) is that he just does not seem to take shots very well as of late.

Do you feel that way because of the recent knockouts? He was injured in the ebersole fight if you didn't know. The recent knockouts may be because of the step up in comp though it is a good point you made.

I guess what sells me on Hallman is this: He is a much more experienced fighter. He is bigger. He has a very good ground game, Makdessi comes from kickboxing so he probably doesn't.

[sbjj]

I'm with ya Edman, I favor Hallman also. It just seems like he is not taking punishment very well. Being injured would explain alot in regards to the Ebersole. All said, I like Hallman with the + next to his name.

[edman5555]

I was also thinking of taking krystoff but his line is going to shit. I figure he did well against Bonnar the first time and Igor got shut out by him. Also Igor hasn't really been able to handle anyone outside Croatia. Krystoff is pretty solid middle tier fighter who has decent wrestling + striking. He also trains at a very good gym. That said IGor can hit pretty hard. I would have taken Krystoff at -205 where he was at before but i was lazy. I am starting to think he isn't going to move back at all.

I was kinda all in on mir at first but the more I Think about it the more I wonder about Nog. He could be a lot more mobile after these surgeries.

I want to bet Hamman but his line is kinda stinky.

[SPX]

I was kinda all in on mir at first but the more I Think about it the more I wonder about Nog. He could be a lot more mobile after these surgeries.

You just never know what you're going to get with that motherfucker.

Everyone thought he was going to smash Mir when they first fought and we all know what happened. Then everyone thought Couture would kill him and he dominated that fight. Then a lot of people thought he had a good chance again Cain and, well, he didn't. Then everyone said Schaub would win easily and Nog wins by KO.

Fuck that! I'm staying away every time he fights from now on!


I want to bet Hamman but his line is kinda stinky.

Not sure why but I BOLd a little at this.

[sbjj]

I'll tell you. The more I watch the Nog-Schaub fight(and it is like a dagger in the heart each time) the more I think that was a case of Schaub being a dumb ass and not Nog being "back".

[AC88]

I lost a lot on Nog vs. Schaub, but I absolutely don't see how Nog beats Mir. I think almost everyone here lost on that Schaub Nog fight.

[SPX]

Yeah, I had like 5u take a dive into the abyss, but as a fan it was nice to see Nog win.

[mike]

i'm betting more on this event, risking more than 1/2 my bankroll. hope it goes well. Already had 4u on Hallman, 5u on Chollish, 1u on Jaboun, 1u on Hamman. That's all for now but tempting to make a few more parlay bets. Only have a 20u bankroll, $50/u.

[SPX]

How has using a 20u bankroll been working out for you?

[mike]

How has using a 20u bankroll been working out for you?
tbh, I dont know the difference between using a 20u bankroll or other types. I just happened to start my bankroll with $400 so i broke that down to 20u, $20/u. My br went up to ~40u and I wanted to increase my bet amount so I make it back to 20u and $50/u. It's also easier for me to calculate the risk/winning amount for the given odds.

[SPX]

Indeed. I've considered doing that. I've had a swing of about 30u before though (from about 15 up to about 15 down) and I'd be worried about losing it all.

[poopoo333]

I wouldn't do well with a 20u bankroll unless I stuck to betting to only win 0.5u-1uish for awhile. I can't wait until next year to increase my roll/bet more $. I just need to make sure I don't lack discirpine

[SPX]

Yeah, I just don't know if I could handle that losing a 5u bet would mean that a quarter of my roll is wiped out.

[poopoo333]

Yeah, I just don't know if I could handle that losing a 5u bet would mean that a quarter of my roll is wiped out.

Yeah, exactly. It would make me want to go into chase mode. But with a 20u bet...5u bets wouldn't be something done much would it?

[mike]

I ended up betting more money per event since I switched to $50/u. Maybe because betting 4u with $50/u sounds alot less than betting 10u with $20/u. But I'm kinda tired of betting little on fights with little return when I usually have to spend quite some time researching and watching old fights to make those bets. but yeah, using 20u br, sometimes I get carried away and bet more than I should. If it doesnt go well, I would destroy my br quickly.

[MMA_scientist]

I don't worry about losing it all, but I do worry about tilt from losing a large percentage of it. But more importantly, assuming you adjust your unit size to always 5% of your bankroll, if you have a 20u bankroll, and you lose 5u, it is going to take a lot longer to climb out of that hole than if you have a 50 or 100u bankroll. If you lose 25% of your bankroll, you would have to effectively win 33% of your bankroll to make it back to even.

For example, if you had 100 dollars, and you lost 25 (5u). Then your new bankroll of $75 would give you a unit of $3.75 (75/20). You would have to bet and win 8.3u to make back the 5u you lost. The fewer units in your bankroll, the more dramatic this effect is.


Whereas in that same scenario if you have a 100u bankroll, and lose 5u (5%) you would only have to win 5.26u to get bak to even.

Of course, it works the other way too. You win more. I don't think it is very wise long term but it can definitely be done if you play tight and actually do the homework.

[SPX]

But with a 20u bankroll...5u bets wouldn't be something done much would it?

If I was working with that kind of bankroll, I would ONLY make bets to win a unit or less.

So 5u would only happen if I was better a -500 fave, but I DO do that on occasion. Might be a little more hesitant to take big faves with a 20u roll, though.

[SPX]

I don't worry about losing it all, but I do worry about tilt from losing a large percentage of it. But more importantly, assuming you adjust your unit size to always 5% of your bankroll, if you have a 20u bankroll, and you lose 5u, it is going to take a lot longer to climb out of that hole than if you have a 50 or 100u bankroll. If you lose 25% of your bankroll, you would have to effectively win 33% of your bankroll to make it back to even.

For example, if you had 100 dollars, and you lost 25 (5u). Then your new bankroll of $75 would give you a unit of $3.75 (75/20). You would have to bet and win 8.3u to make back the 5u you lost. The fewer units in your bankroll, the more dramatic this effect is.


Whereas in that same scenario if you have a 100u bankroll, and lose 5u (5%) you would only have to win 5.26u to get bak to even.

Of course, it works the other way too. You win more. I don't think it is very wise long term but it can definitely be done if you play tight and actually do the homework.


Yes. I check my balls frequently to see if they're big enough for me to try it, and thus far they have not been.

I will say though that with my ~50u roll (which is really more like 60u right now . . . need to update my sig), if I drop below 50u, I don't drop my unit size. It stays at $20.

[mike]

yeah I should go with 50u br. i think that will work out better for me in the long run. although I hate betting so little for the work i put in.

[SPX]

although I hate betting so little for the work i put in.

Me too, which is why I'm always tempted to up my unit. But shit happens sometimes.

[mike]

it's all about controlled aggression in the Octagon baby BOLz.

[MMA_scientist]

Dropped a bet on Hallman. Looking more at Hamman now, since the Cholish line got blown up. Hamman seems pretty willing to trade on his feet, which makes me nervous about betting him as a favorite against a guy that has lots of KO's. Still Hamman looks like he is just a better fighter, if he comes to grapple, he should win no problem. The issue is that he never really comes to grapple and I am afraid he is going to get clipped or taken down repeatedly by Phillipou.

Can't find much here. I am still thinking about Lentz/Bocek. But Lentz has proven pretty damn difficult to take down in most of his fights, and I am afraid he is going to keep it close by basically just not engaging much, clinching, getting up quickly- basically just making it ugly like he usually does.

I still think Ortiz might be able to win a decision against Nog.

Cholish/Hamman is -121 Maybe that is something to consider. Someone talk to me about Hamman/Phillopou.

[SPX]

Bocek . . . -130.

BOOM!

Consider it done.

(As time goes on I am thinking more and more that Sportsbook is the real sleeper book that everyone should have an account with.)

[poopoo333]

Hamman is gonna beast Phillipou. Might parlay him with Mir for even money. But that fight is scaring me....I might use something else besides Mir.

[poopoo333]

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/2427057/Jones-Machida_SDP_large.jpg

[SPX]

War The Dragon

[poopoo333]

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[sbjj]

Man, I have a weird feeling Nog is at the least going to give Mir a much tougher match here.

[poopoo333]

Man, I have a weird feeling Nog is at the least going to give Mir a much tougher match here.

Who are you taking on this card?

[sbjj]

Leave tomorrow for Vegas. I am probably going to bet Bocek, and parlay him with any other picks like Hamman and Hallman. I am starting to consider Jabouin. And a small stab @ Machida.

[poopoo333]

Anybody look at Attonito/Hecht?

[MMA_scientist]

I looked at it. Hecht was a HS wrestler, golden gloves boxer. I think Attonito is rightly favored, but you have be a little cautious, because Attonito is not that good. He should have the wrestling out if he is getting beat up. I briefly considered boombats, but decided the line was probably about right.

[poopoo333]

I am just trying to find somebody to parlay Hamman with to get at least even money return. Attonito is a big MW and looked great against Hecht. I guess Hecht doesn't even train under anybody anymore and he is just a head coach at some overseas gym. Attonito will probably win, i dunno.

[MMA_scientist]

I have given in trying to find anyone. I am going to go Hamman, Hallman and call it a day. Already made a wiseman that pays +1700

[MMA_scientist]

Just went to bet Hamman at -240, and I will be damned if he wasn't -220. Lucky snag.

[Svino]

Damn, I hate to bet against Johnny-Bones, but with Machida's line at +425 and still climbing, I'm actually starting to get tempted.

Machida is a different enough fighter that I think it should be hard to ever make him too much of an underdog, since he's usually matched with guys who have never fought anyone quite like him before.

[poopoo333]

Yeah, +425 is appealing

[Mr. IWS]

D
Machida is a different enough fighter that I think it should be hard to ever make him too much of an underdog, since he's usually matched with guys who have never fought anyone quite like him before.

This is my feeling too. Im gonna throw 25 bucks on him for the hell of it.

[SPX]

I feel dumb now for taking Machida at +275.

[SPX]

For what it's worth, Jordan Breen thinks Makdessi will beat Hallman, but that Hallman is a decent bet at +140.

He also thinks Jabouin is going to smash Watson.

[poopoo333]

What's Breen's record in picks for 2011? Links to his predictions of other cards?

[SPX]

I dunno the stats and I'm not sure his picks are written down anywhere. I always hear it either on the SD Roundtable or the Jordan Breen Show. But he usually does well enough that I've come to respect his opinion. In fact, I just put 1.75u on Jabouin even though I don't know shit about Watson.

[Svino]

I was planning on betting Makdessi, but that was back when I thought I would be getting him at +odds.

[Vandelay]

full props up. you like anything in magic parlay form scientist?

Kinda like Jung/Hominick to win fight of night.