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  • poopoo333
    MMA *********
    • Jan 2010
    • 18302

    #451
    I like all those, and I would bet big on Bisping against Maia now. Barboza/Dunham would be great

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    • Luke
      10 year vet
      • Oct 2006
      • 30060

      #452
      Originally posted by poopoo333
      I like all those, and I would bet big on Bisping against Maia now. Barboza/Dunham would be great
      Wasn't Bisping -200 last time? After Maia's bad performance and Bisping's good one the line will probably be even higher this time.
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      • mike
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2010
        • 541

        #453
        how about weidman-bisping ? I think that's a step up in fighting ranked fighters over Palhares, although Palhares is a more dangerous fight.

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        • Svino
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2010
          • 3873

          #454
          Originally posted by mike
          how about weidman-bisping ? I think that's a step up in fighting ranked fighters over Palhares, although Palhares is a more dangerous fight.
          It would be a good fight, but it goes against the pattern of matching winners with winners and losers with losers that they probably won't go against unless someone is making a bigger step in competition. Same with Bader / Davis.

          What about Rua / Davis?

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          • poopoo333
            MMA *********
            • Jan 2010
            • 18302

            #455
            Originally posted by Svino
            It would be a good fight, but it goes against the pattern of matching winners with winners and losers with losers that they probably won't go against unless someone is making a bigger step in competition. Same with Bader / Davis.

            What about Rua / Davis?
            Whoever wrote that is probably assuming Bader is going to lose to Rampage in a few weeks

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            • MMA_scientist
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2009
              • 9857

              #456
              Maia is a can now.
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              • MMA_scientist
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2009
                • 9857

                #457
                Post event thoughts:

                Maia seriously needs to remember how he used to win fights. I have no idea why he kept standing up so he could get punched in the face more. He didn't even attempt a takedown until he was completely zapped. It actually pisses me off.

                You guys got lucky on Sonnen. I told you fuckers that you were about to get MQ'd... Bisping won the fight by most accounts. Although, I had Sonnen winning personally. Also, Sonnen looked huge to me. Bisping is a large MW (and wasn't even that small @ LHW), and Sonnen dwarfed him.

                I was super wrong about Davis and Rashad. Rashad is better than I thought, I guess. I think Rashad does have a chance against Jones.

                Roller. Can. When he finally decided to get the takedown, he was dominant... why didn't he try that more? His hair is so stupid.

                Oliveira is one of the most fun guys to watch in MMA. Rogan needs to lose his job for not knowing what a fucking calf slicer is. He is not an "expert", he needs to take over the color job and let Florian in there to be the expert.

                I really can't stand the WWE-ification of MMA. Between Rogan, the rampant obvious steroid use, and the UFC management, it is ruining the sport for me. I am very seriously considering just not watching MMA anymore. I don't like the direction it is going, and I only keep watching because of my bets. I did quit watching NFL a couple years ago just because I didn't really care anymore. I am almost to that place with MMA... I just don't care very much.
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                • Vandelay
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2010
                  • 1934

                  #458
                  Phil Davis blows. Hes like roller now, except an even worse mma wrestler and worse striker. I will be betting against him whenever he faces someone halfway decent.

                  MJ is good man. I forget how Roller got the takedown, but MJ defended every type of takedown Roller attempted.

                  Bisping was impressive. He is really effective at getting right back up when taken down and his tdd is pretty good. He should only lose to superior strikers.

                  Weidman gassed horribly in the second round, and maia worse than weidman in the third. Weird performance from maia. Although I do think he arguably won the first two rds of the fight.

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                  • edman5555
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2010
                    • 6628

                    #459
                    Maia gassing was sad...he should of had that fight. Weidman had a good excuse to gas. He took the fight on short notice. Maia must have had an injury in camp or something...why else would he be out of shape for his FOX debut. Ridiculous. I should have won that bet.

                    As to Rashad and Phil. I feel stupid for betting Phil. Rashad won that because he can actually strike. Thats about it.
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                    • MMA_scientist
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2009
                      • 9857

                      #460
                      I had Weidman winning based on his scoring takedowns. I just don't know why Maia didn't want to grapple. Very weird to see someone wanting to grapple with him and Maia basically refusing to grapple.

                      I don't think Davis sucks. He did beat Nog, who may not be the best guy, but he is good. I actually think Davis showed some flashes of potential. If he can learn to do some damage with those leg kicks, he is going to be nasty. If you remember when Rashad started fighting... he wasn't very good. He just layed on guys and did zero damage. Davis is still progressing, I won't be surprised to see him with the belt at some point.

                      MJ was never good before Saturday. I thought Roller would win the standup exchanges... but MJ looked improved standing and Roller should have gone Jake Shields on the takedowns. I think guys need to get back into all or nothing grappling... they give up too easily because they can strike a little. I actually think Maia was a better fighter when he could not strike at all... he had to get the takedown or he was dead. Guys that understand that seem to be better. Look at Chael. I can say this for him, he understands pressing forward and getting the takedown at all costs. Very rarely does he stand around and box. If he is boxing, it is so he can clinch. There are a few exceptions- he willingly stood with Filho.
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                      • MMA_scientist
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2009
                        • 9857

                        #461
                        Originally posted by edman5555
                        Maia gassing was sad...he should of had that fight. Weidman had a good excuse to gas. He took the fight on short notice. Maia must have had an injury in camp or something...why else would he be out of shape for his FOX debut. Ridiculous. I should have won that bet.

                        As to Rashad and Phil. I feel stupid for betting Phil. Rashad won that because he can actually strike. Thats about it.
                        Maia always gasses. I told you that he virtually guaranteed to lose round 3. He always gasses in the third.

                        That said, and as crappy as his gameplanning is, he could have been given both the Munoz and Weidman fights. Different judging and he would be up for a title shot again.
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                        • Vandelay
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2010
                          • 1934

                          #462
                          Davis literally looks like he is shadow boxing. He never commits to a punch and looks like he is throwing at 50% speed. It's sad to watch. Plus his transitions to wrestling are pretty bad. He didn't "win" the nog fight. He clearly lost rd 1 and didn't do anything, save for 1 takedown with 1:30 left in rd 2 and proceeded to do nothing with it. Couldnt take down gustaffson either and that was b4 gustaffson had any substantial wrestling training. He is no where near the level that Bader is at, OSP would destroy this guy, and Roger would also beat him.

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                          • MMA_scientist
                            Senior Member
                            • Nov 2009
                            • 9857

                            #463
                            ^ I disagree. He would beat OSP easy IMO. I think he would beat Roger too, just because as bad as Phil's striking is, Roger's is worse. That would literally be the worst fight ever if Phil decided to stay standing.

                            I also think he would beat Gustaffson again. I mean, he not only got him down, he submitted him in the first round. Or was that before Gustaffson had any submission training too? Give the guy his due... he has never lost a fight before Saturday, depsite being thrown in there right away. He fought Stann in his first fight and has only had one "easy" fight (Wallace) in 6 outings. Rashad was fighting Sam Hoger and Sean Salmon when he was 5 fights deep in the UFC. Also, Rashad is pretty damn good. Losing to him is not a big deal IMO. His striking didn't look great, but I am hopnig he comes in at a discount in his next fight because I still believe. Although, I fully admit I was wrong on this fight... it seems horrible in hindsight, but it always does.
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                            • Ludo
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2010
                              • 4931

                              #464
                              OSP just got wrestle fucked by a guy who has never given half a shit about even defending takedowns in the last six years. OSP and Davis are in the same boat here. Young wrestlers who haven't figured out how to transition into MMA completely just yet, but will eventually become monsters.

                              What's stupid about Maia gassing in this instance is that he didn't have to do any work for the first two rounds. He CHOSE to push the pace even after Weidman was sucking wind. By round three both of them were totally spent. Maia has no excuse for gassing that badly when he didn't have to spend as much energy as usual grappling for two rounds.

                              I feel like Davis got rushed into a big fight when he clearly wasn't ready. My entire rationale for betting Evans against him, even the first time, is that he's never fought anyone on Rashad's level and Rashad is one of the most well rounded fighters in the division and I was doubting Davis could deal with that. Hopefully they give Davis some more time to mature as a fighter and he's back in the title eliminator in a year and a half or two years from now with a more complete game.

                              I think it's time we started taking those Blackzillian fighters seriously, assuming they don't come in 12lbs over weight.
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                              • Vandelay
                                Senior Member
                                • Nov 2010
                                • 1934

                                #465
                                OSP has good tdd, Roger can at least throw his hands and is more comfortable standing than Davis is, Gustafson got subbed attempting his own td, he stopped all of davis's attempts. It's only a matter of time before this guy gets koed. If he doesnt fight a lower tier fighter in his next fight, he will lose.

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