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  • MMA_scientist
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    • Nov 2009
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    #226
    Based on what? What if he has no takedown defense? What if his ground is terrible, which it probably is.
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    • Ludo
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      • Jan 2010
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      #227
      Originally posted by SPX
      He's gonna fucking smash Brown. Ludo will have an interesting sig after this weekend.
      Brown has spent his entire career beating guys like Thompson with a straight striking background. If this hits the ground Thompson is going to have a hell of a time.
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      • SPX
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        • Aug 2009
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        #228
        Originally posted by MMA_scientist
        Based on what? What if he has no takedown defense?
        Well we know he at least has SOME takedown defense because that ass clown Stitgen attempted to take him down and was unsuccessful. Granted, they weren't very good takedown attempts, but you can only fought who's put in front of you.


        Originally posted by MMA_scientist
        What if his ground is terrible, which it probably is.
        His brother-in-law is Carlos Machado, who he is studying under, so I have to believe that his ground game will be better than terrible.


        Originally posted by Ludo
        Brown has spent his entire career beating guys like Thompson with a straight striking background. If this hits the ground Thompson is going to have a hell of a time.
        Brown goes down.

        Every single one of Brown's last 4 losses have come by submission too, so I'm not sure why you think he's the guy to give Thompson big problems on the ground.
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        • MMA_scientist
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2009
          • 9857

          #229
          Brown is not a very good grappler IMO, but my guess is that Thompson is worse. The fact that Carlos Machado is his in law, and he still doesn't hold a bjj rank, but rather touts his japanese jj rank of bb-- makes me believe he is probably pretty damn lame on the ground. But he is long and flexible, so he probably has a decent guard.
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          • SPX
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            • Aug 2009
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            #230
            According to what I've read, his rank is in Tetsushin Ryu Jujutsu, which is not traditional Japanese JJ. One summary that I've read:

            "Our Jiu-Jitsu art is a combination of Japanese Jiu-Jitsu, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and emphasizes defending against opponents with the use of leverage, off-balancing, redirection, joint manipulating techniques, and submission holds to render an opponent harmless. Jiu-Jitsu teaches self defense orientated techniques and focuses on ground grappling. Jiu-Jitsu also combines effective leg kicks, striking, with throws, and takedowns. Jiu-Jitsu is 20% long range skills, 30% short range skills and 50% ground grappling skills."


            skills and 50% ground
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            • MMA_scientist
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2009
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              #231
              Originally posted by SPX
              According to what I've read, his rank is in Tetsushin Ryu Jujutsu, which is not traditional Japanese JJ. One summary that I've read:

              "Our Jiu-Jitsu art is a combination of Japanese Jiu-Jitsu, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and emphasizes defending against opponents with the use of leverage, off-balancing, redirection, joint manipulating techniques, and submission holds to render an opponent harmless. Jiu-Jitsu teaches self defense orientated techniques and focuses on ground grappling. Jiu-Jitsu also combines effective leg kicks, striking, with throws, and takedowns. Jiu-Jitsu is 20% long range skills, 30% short range skills and 50% ground grappling skills."


              skills and 50% ground


              yeah... so its crap.
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              • SPX
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                • Aug 2009
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                #232
                Originally posted by MMA_scientist
                yeah... so its crap.
                So BJJ is the only legit form of JJ?

                Guerilla JJ . . . that American JJ that Shields does . . . all crap.
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                • Mr. IWS
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                  • Sep 2006
                  • 99891

                  #233
                  What about 10th planet?
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                  • Ludo
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2010
                    • 4931

                    #234
                    Well let's look at those four submission losses. Almeida, nothing else needs to be said there. Lytle is an extremely well rounded fighter who always had a very good ground game, in fact he has about seven times as many submission wins as knockout wins. Foster is kind of iffy, but he's well rounded, and Baczuchinni is a bit of a choke specialist, which isn't surprising since he's a wrestler.

                    Brown isn't a great grappler, but he is a great grinder. We don't know if Thompson has any kind of grappling cardio, and Brown will keep going after those takedowns and make anyone work on the ground.

                    Japanese Jujutsu is shit. Shields is a Cesar Gracie student who has the same kind of high level wrestling fusion going on that Matt Hughes had.
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                    • MMA_scientist
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                      • Nov 2009
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                      #235
                      Originally posted by SPX
                      So BJJ is the only legit form of JJ?

                      Guerilla JJ . . . that American JJ that Shields does . . . all crap.
                      lol, those are bjj. They aren't specific arts, that's just guys that gained their skill under a legit BJJ bb and they are trying to market themselves by calling their specific style something different... if every style was a different art, pretty much every practitioner would be practicing his own art. A better example would be something like GaidoJitsu, in that I don't think Greg Jackson really ever held rank in BJJ. So maybe that is a completely different branch of legit jj. I think Rick Story trains under a JJJ place too.

                      I didn't say all of them are crap, but pretty much any non BJJ art that claims to be jiu jitsu, jujutsu, jujitsu is crap. There are few semi-legit places in the whole USA, but even at the very best JJJ grappling school in the whole world, you are probably not going to find a higher level grappling than at your neighborhood BJJ place. The fact that he is related to Carlos Machado, and he still hasn't trained in bjj... context clues lead me to believe his grappling is going to be pretty weak. Maybe enough to survive Brown, but nothing that is going to allow him to thrive in the division. That's my guess.
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                      • MMA_scientist
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2009
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                        #236
                        Originally posted by Mr. IWS
                        What about 10th planet?
                        going to zewkey.
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                        • Svino
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                          • Mar 2010
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                          #237
                          What do people think about Makdessi vs. Njokuani? I was thinking Makdessi might be worth a bet at +170, but he came in a couple pounds overweight...

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                          • Ludo
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2010
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                            #238
                            Originally posted by Svino
                            What do people think about Makdessi vs. Njokuani? I was thinking Makdessi might be worth a bet at +170, but he came in a couple pounds overweight...
                            Makdessi is going to have trouble with Njokuani's length and speed I think.
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                            • SPX
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                              • Aug 2009
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                              #239
                              Originally posted by MMA_scientist
                              lol, those are bjj. They aren't specific arts, that's just guys that gained their skill under a legit BJJ bb and they are trying to market themselves by calling their specific style something different... if every style was a different art, pretty much every practitioner would be practicing his own art. A better example would be something like GaidoJitsu, in that I don't think Greg Jackson really ever held rank in BJJ. So maybe that is a completely different branch of legit jj. I think Rick Story trains under a JJJ place too.

                              I didn't say all of them are crap, but pretty much any non BJJ art that claims to be jiu jitsu, jujutsu, jujitsu is crap. There are few semi-legit places in the whole USA, but even at the very best JJJ grappling school in the whole world, you are probably not going to find a higher level grappling than at your neighborhood BJJ place. The fact that he is related to Carlos Machado, and he still hasn't trained in bjj... context clues lead me to believe his grappling is going to be pretty weak. Maybe enough to survive Brown, but nothing that is going to allow him to thrive in the division. That's my guess.
                              Two things. . .

                              1. According to what I posted, the shit he holds rank in is "50% BJJ." Maybe it's useless, but neither you nor I know that. What I don't like is someone jumping to conclusions about a martial art that they haven't even taken the time to really investigate. It's arrogant and it reminds me of the many years that karate, TKD etc were "crap" and now, magically, they're not anymore.

                              2. From what I've read, Thompson IS actively training with Carlos Machado on a regular basis.
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                              • SPX
                                Senior Member
                                • Aug 2009
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                                #240
                                Originally posted by Ludo
                                Well let's look at those four submission losses. Almeida, nothing else needs to be said there. Lytle is an extremely well rounded fighter who always had a very good ground game, in fact he has about seven times as many submission wins as knockout wins. Foster is kind of iffy, but he's well rounded, and Baczuchinni is a bit of a choke specialist, which isn't surprising since he's a wrestler.

                                Brown isn't a great grappler, but he is a great grinder. We don't know if Thompson has any kind of grappling cardio, and Brown will keep going after those takedowns and make anyone work on the ground.

                                Japanese Jujutsu is shit. Shields is a Cesar Gracie student who has the same kind of high level wrestling fusion going on that Matt Hughes had.

                                I guess we'll see what happens tomorrow.
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