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  • Mr. IWS
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    • Sep 2006
    • 98691

    Originally posted by SPX
    Anyone else watch Independence Day today?
    I lived it..........
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    • MMA_scientist
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2009
      • 9857

      Originally posted by SPX
      Anyone here seen Primal Fear? That movie kicks ass.
      I liked it because because Ed Norton is one of my favorite actors. Pretty good movie IMO, despite being incredibly ridiculous from a technical legal standpoint.
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      • SPX
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2009
        • 23875

        Originally posted by Mr. IWS
        I lived it..........
        BOL!!!
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        • SPX
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2009
          • 23875

          Originally posted by MMA_scientist
          I liked it because because Ed Norton is one of my favorite actors.
          I actually remember watching that movie for the very first time when I was like 14. I was at my mom's house kicking it with my brother. I can't say that for many movies, but I thought it was a particularly awesome movie. Norton was great. The twist completely took me off guard.


          Originally posted by MMA_scientist
          . . . despite being incredibly ridiculous from a technical legal standpoint.
          How so?
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          • MMA_scientist
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            • Nov 2009
            • 9857

            Originally posted by SPX
            I actually remember watching that movie for the very first time when I was like 14. I was at my mom's house kicking it with my brother. I can't say that for many movies, but I thought it was a particularly awesome movie. Norton was great. The twist completely took me off guard.

            How so?
            Yeah, I was in college when I saw it, but I remember being surprised. There have only been a couple movies where I was really surprised by the twist, and it was always when I was younger. I am never surprised any more. I remember watching "The Color of Night" which is kind of film noir / soft porn movie from the 1990's, and I was genuinely suprised in that one too. The Usual Suspects got me too. I saw all of these movies around the same time, so maybe I was just naive then.

            As for Primal Fear, it is pretty silly the way the lawyer tries to deal with the supposed mental illness. He tries to draw it out on the stand, Perry Mason style if I remember right (I may be jumbling my movies together here it has been years and years since I have seen that movie). None of that would be allowed in a trial, and even if it all somehow happened, the judge can't just determine insanity like that, with no evidence or mental examination. The plea of insanity was never entered in the trial, so the judge can't find it. Also, the trial would be stopped and reconvened after the State had a chance to rebut with expert testimony... but none of that would happen, it would have been a mistrial and they would have just started over.
            Last edited by MMA_scientist; 07-05-2012, 02:07 PM.
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            • SPX
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2009
              • 23875

              Originally posted by Svino
              I agree that "science is about exploring the world and discovering truth", and I also agree that it would be crazy to think all science has to take place in a laboratory. Most of it probably doesn't. Astronomers have had a notoriously difficult time getting stars into a lab, and field observations and survey data play major roles in other sciences.

              The simplified version of "The Scientific Method" that is taught in high schools is awful, and I think it does more harm than good, since it appears to fuel the belief that "science" is something specific and clearly distinct from rational inquiry in the grander sense. Hypothesis testing is only one tool in the toolkit -- it certainly isn't the whole of science.
              At least in regard to stars, they are always there to be studied. But as a rule scientists tend to reject as worthy of study anything that can't be replicated or studied on their own terms.

              They also tend to drop back to convenient explanations for something they don't want to bother with even if those explanations have been debunked. You know I am interested in a lot of speculative topics. I am just tired of hearing, "Oh, near-death experiences are caused by anoxia" or "near-death experiences are caused by medication" when anyone with even a general familiarity with the subject knows damn good and well that that's not true.

              Etc. . .

              Even many of the scientists who viciously attacked Velikovsky and campaigned against his book later admitted that they hadn't even read the book. And that's the very definition of dogmatism, to express hostility at a foreign belief without actually examining that belief and assessing the evidence.


              Originally posted by Svino
              Just referring to the maxim that, "Even a stopped clock is right twice a day". I could make a prediction about the outcomes in UFC 148 based on patterns I found in The Epic of Gilgamesh. But even if most of my fighters win, it wouldn't validate my theory; it would mean I got lucky.
              That would be awesome if you did that.


              Originally posted by Svino
              A lot of historians have been pushing back against the idea that the Dark Ages were regressive, which is one reason the term "Early Middle Ages" is now preferred. But there were definitely severe negative effects on learning caused by the collapse of the Roman Empire and the conflicts that followed.
              I think that history itself is a strange discipline. We try to piece together what happened from official documents, journals, diaries, paintings, pottery, etc and understand what happened hundreds or thousands of years ago.

              I often wonder how badly we've actually fucked it up.


              Originally posted by Svino
              We might not know all the details, but we have a fair idea of how the pyramids were built. (Ramps, ropes, and a lot of manpower) Modern crews have duplicated a lot of the necessary tasks with only the tools available that were known to the Egyptians, who were pretty decent engineers.
              I've seen and read some stuff about these attempts at recreating the way the pyramids were built, but I've never seen anything that really convinces me 100%. I get moving a giant ass stone block from HERE to THERE but I have to shake my head a little at the idea of a bunch of dudes using ramps and ropes to get one of those huge ass blocks to the top of the pyramid.

              Then again, I don't think aliens did it, either. So I guess there had to be a way using fairly conventional means.
              Last edited by SPX; 07-05-2012, 03:38 PM.
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              • SPX
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                • Aug 2009
                • 23875

                Originally posted by Svino
                I didn't know the name, but I guess that's it. I also didn't know they used a method for preserving castling and opposite-color bishops, which is interesting.
                I remember reading about it years ago when I was first getting into chess and thought the concept sounded interesting. I really do like the philosophy behind the game, that it's about creative skill rather than rote memorization.

                Speaking of Bobby Fischer, I thought this was a very interesting documentary:

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                • SPX
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                  • Aug 2009
                  • 23875

                  Originally posted by poopoo333
                  UFC is going to China on November 10th for UFC on Fuel 6. (inb4areyougoing?jokes) ....Lorenzo Fertitta told Kevin Iole that the main event would be "huge" despite the fact that it is going to be on the Fuel card. I doubt it will be anything crazy, but my official prediction: Shane Carwin vs Roy Nelson

                  Also, Michael Bisping and Alan Belcher seems like it is going to end up happening.. calling each other out and stuff..make sense, etc.
                  That's interesting. Too bad the UFC still hasn't found any really solid Chinese fighters. I guess Zhang officially just didn't really pan out.

                  I rememeber seeing some shit about a Chinese MMA organization a little while back. Can't remember what it was called. But it was interesting. I was hoping it would succeed.
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                  • SPX
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 23875

                    Originally posted by MMA_scientist
                    Yeah, I was in college when I saw it, but I remember being surprised. There have only been a couple movies where I was really surprised by the twist, and it was always when I was younger. I am never surprised any more. I remember watching "The Color of Night" which is kind of film noir / soft porn movie from the 1990's, and I was genuinely suprised in that one too. The Usual Suspects got me too. I saw all of these movies around the same time, so maybe I was just naive then.
                    I've always been really terrible at figuring out the twist in movies. I am almost always surprised. I think that might be a good thing, though. It seems to me like it would be gay to watch movies all the time and predict the ending.


                    Originally posted by MMA_scientist
                    As for Primal Fear, it is pretty silly the way the lawyer tries to deal with the supposed mental illness. He tries to draw it out on the stand, Perry Mason style if I remember right (I may be jumbling my movies together here it has been years and years since I have seen that movie). None of that would be allowed in a trial, and even if it all somehow happened, the judge can't just determine insanity like that, with no evidence or mental examination. The plea of insanity was never entered in the trial, so the judge can't find it. Also, the trial would be stopped and reconvened after the State had a chance to rebut with expert testimony... but none of that would happen, it would have been a mistrial and they would have just started over.
                    You know, I actually wondered about all of that. It did strike me as kind of unrealistic, even without having any legal education.

                    Here's the real question, though: If all that actually happened, would a mistrial be declared and then would the most likely result be for him to be found insane in the second trial?
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                    • MMA_scientist
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                      • Nov 2009
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                      They would call a mistrial, he would sit in jail waiting to be tried again... and they would probably not even examine him unless he paid for it. There have been many cases about disassociative personality disorder thou, and it has even worked before. But multiple personalities are not really like that irl, from what i am told. It may not even be real.
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                      • MMA_scientist
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                        • Nov 2009
                        • 9857

                        There have been a bunch of sleepwalking cases too, which i always thought raised some interesting issues
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                        • SPX
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                          • Aug 2009
                          • 23875

                          Originally posted by MMA_scientist
                          There have been a bunch of sleepwalking cases too, which i always thought raised some interesting issues
                          That seems like it should be auto-innocence if it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. If I did some shit while I was sleepwalking then I certainly don't think I should be held accountable for it.
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                          • SPX
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                            • Aug 2009
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                            Originally posted by MMA_scientist
                            It may not even be real.
                            I had a friend who's dad was a psychiatrist (or psychologist?) and he didn't believe in multiple personalities.
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                            • MMA_scientist
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                              • Nov 2009
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                              Well if it does exist at all, it is beyond rare. Probably so rare that it could just be classified as psychosis. They supposedly hear voices and stuff, so it is not like the movies if it exists at all
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                              • MMA_scientist
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                                • Nov 2009
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                                Originally posted by SPX
                                That seems like it should be auto-innocence if it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. If I did some shit while I was sleepwalking then I certainly don't think I should be held accountable for it.
                                There ate criminal cases, but more common civil cases, where someone sleep drives into a house or something. Turns out, it is ambien's fault. There were a bunch of ambien zombie cases a few years ago
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