UFC on Fox 4

[edman5555]

Shogun gassed just like scientist said he would and lyoto handled bader easily just like he said he would. I am only suprised by the rua gassing. That was a good call.

[poopoo333]

I am only suprised by the rua gassing.

Why?

UFC 76- gassed
UFC 93- gassed
UFC 97- won in round 1
UFC 104- didn't gas, but it was a slow paced kickboxing match
UFC 113- won in round 1
UFC 128- gassed (in like 3 minutes, I just watched the fight two nights ago)
UFC 134- won in round 1
UFC 139- gassed
UFC on Fox 4- gassed

[MMA_scientist]

Where is Scientist's post-event breakdown?

Pretty much as expected. I only saw the last 3 fights. Lauzon's triangle was slick. I should have gone heavier on Machida, Bader was pretty helpless out there- I don't think he landed a shot. Rua gassed, and they really need to replace Rogan. Shogun was dominating Vera IMO, he came close to stopping him several times, and Rogan would not STFU about Vera.

I am mad that I didn't bet Yahya, I really thought he would win.

[SPX]

I should have gone heavier on Machida, Bader was pretty helpless out there- I don't think he landed a shot.

Machida Karate! The Dragon is back!

Rua gassed, and they really need to replace Rogan. Shogun was dominating Vera IMO, he came close to stopping him several times, and Rogan would not STFU about Vera.

I don't agree with that. I thought Vera did quite well and kept rounds 2 and 3 pretty close. He also landed several good combos that looked like they rocked Shogun pretty badly. There were a few different moments where I was like, "Wait . . . what? Is Vera actually going to win this fight?"

Considering that Vera is who he is, I think he deserves a lot of credit for that performance.

[MMA_scientist]

Considering that Vera is who he is, I think he deserves a lot of credit for that performance.

See, i was more thinking, "Damn, Shogun is dead tired, can barely move, and he still whupping Vera's ass." Any success Vera had, IMO, was directly attributable to Shogun not defending. I will be betting against Vera in his next fight, because his line is probably going to be inflated with everyone thinking he has turned some corner, when in fact he still got stopped by a guy that looked like he could barely stand up.

[poopoo333]

^^same goes for Shogun. If he ever fights Machida again and Machida is anything better than -150 I'd bet the shit out of that. If he fights Gustafsson I'd fade Shogun. Hell...if Shogun fought Bonnar and Bonnar was +200 I'd bet Bonnar decent sized, especially if it were a 5 round fight.

[MMA_scientist]

^^same goes for Shogun. If he ever fights Machida again and Machida is anything better than -150 I'd bet the shit out of that. If he fights Gustafsson I'd fade Shogun. Hell...if Shogun fought Bonnar and Bonnar was +200 I'd bet Bonnar decent sized, especially if it were a 5 round fight.

Yeah, Shogun's gas tank is shit. But... the difference is that Shogun is a vert skilled and powerful fighter. So he can still stop just about anyone on any given night. He swarmed Vera in Rd 2 I think and I thought he was going to stop him there. But you are right, if he has to grapple for more than a few seconds, he just dies. That's why I was surprised when he came in with a grappling game plan, especially considering Vera is a pretty good grappler in his own right. I mean, I could understand if he was fighting someone like Stann or someone where there would be a very real expectation that he could just get the TD, mount and finish. But Vera is decent and hard to stop by grappling. It was weird.

[SPX]

See, i was more thinking, "Damn, Shogun is dead tired, can barely move, and he still whupping Vera's ass." Any success Vera had, IMO, was directly attributable to Shogun not defending. I will be betting against Vera in his next fight, because his line is probably going to be inflated with everyone thinking he has turned some corner, when in fact he still got stopped by a guy that looked like he could barely stand up.

Well I think that we saw in the Hendo fight that Zombie Shogun is kind of a case of looks being deceiving. He looked like he was on his deathbed after the first couple of rounds and somehow just kept on going and going.