UFC 155

[Ludo]

Why are we even having a discussion about chins in a division where almost everyone has one punch KO power?

[SPX]

It's still an important thing to consider. When you're breaking down fights you can usually count on Roy Nelson not getting KOd . . . that's not the case for someone like Brendan Schaub or Stefan Struve, though.

[Ludo]

It's still an important thing to consider. When you're breaking down fights you can usually count on Roy Nelson not getting KOd . . . that's not the case for someone like Brendan Schaub or Stefan Struve, though.

In a division where the average size of a fighter is like 6'2", and 240lbs or so, chin becomes less a factor than the ability to just hit a guy. This concept of fighters being necessarily chinny is a bit absurd to begin with. As if no credit for a knockout is attributed to the guy landing the punches, and all of it goes against the guy dropping when he gets hit.

[SPX]

Well a fighter's knockout power is just another factor.

Struve is probably never going to KO Roy Nelson. But Roy Nelson may very well KO Struve.

Part of this has to do with Nelson's KO power. Part of it has to do with Struve's chin.

[AC88]

Chin is a factor in any weight class. Cain's chin kept him going with Kongo but not with JDS. Carwin and Nelson's chin kept them going with JDS for 3 rounds. Cain's chin is not enough for JDS' power so I would actually give Nelson a better chance to take JDS than Cain. I wouldn't give Carwin a good chance against JDS because although he won't get knocked out he will still look like a bloody mess in a rematch and be completely outclassed.

[zY|]

Struve is probably never going to KO Roy Nelson. But Roy Nelson may very well KO Struve.

Part of this has to do with Nelson's KO power. Part of it has to do with Struve's chin.

He already did, in fact.

[Ludo]

I just feel that saying something to the effect that a heavyweight probably never knocks out another heavyweight is incredibly outlandish. Struve held up just fine against some serious heavy hitters even for the heavyweight division in Lavar Johnson and Stipe Miocic.

[zY|]

Chin is a factor in any weight class. Cain's chin kept him going with Kongo but not with JDS. Carwin and Nelson's chin kept them going with JDS for 3 rounds. Cain's chin is not enough for JDS' power so I would actually give Nelson a better chance to take JDS than Cain. I wouldn't give Carwin a good chance against JDS because although he won't get knocked out he will still look like a bloody mess in a rematch and be completely outclassed.

I don't think it's Cain's chin didn't hold up to JDS. It's that JDS followed up with proper coffin nails.

[SPX]

I just feel that saying something to the effect that a heavyweight probably never knocks out another heavyweight is incredibly outlandish. Struve held up just fine against some serious heavy hitters even for the heavyweight division in Lavar Johnson and Stipe Miocic.

We all know that at Heavyweight KOs are more frequent, but when a Roy Nelson fight starts, I just expect Roy to win by KO or Roy to lose by decision. You know the deal. Don't act like this is some kind of crazy talk.

[Ludo]

Almost 85% of all heavyweight fights in the UFC ended in a finish this year as of October and we're talking about select fighters in the division being "chinny"? Come on, guys. This boils down to heavyweights being too big and too powerful for "chin" to be near as large a factor as other divisions and it's evidenced in the numbers.

[Ludo]

We all know that at Heavyweight KOs are more frequent, but when a Roy Nelson fight starts, I just expect Roy to win by KO or Roy to lose by decision. You know the deal. Don't act like this is some kind of crazy talk.

Durable doesn't mean indestructible and it's still a division where guys go out on the regular.

[zY|]

Arlovski sure didn't have any problem knocking Roy the fuck out.

[SPX]

If you go back and watch that fight Roy wasn't even really out.

[AC88]

I don't think it's Cain's chin didn't hold up to JDS. It's that JDS followed up with proper coffin nails.

Cheick Kongo dropped Cain and Cain's chin held up. Cain's chin held out well enough so that Kongo had no opportunity to use 'coffin nails'. Cain got dropped by JDS and fell to his back. Kongo dropped Cain and Cain never fell to his back but instead went for the shot. Cain's falling to his back against JDS showed the difference in power between Kongo/JDS imo.

[Ludo]

Cheick Kongo dropped Cain and Cain's chin held up. Cain's chin held out well enough so that Kongo had no opportunity to use 'coffin nails'. Cain got dropped by JDS and fell to his back. Kongo dropped Cain and Cain never fell to his back but instead went for the shot. Cain's falling to his back against JDS showed the difference in power between Kongo/JDS imo.

It showed the difference in power that they threw in the punches in those situations. Kongo was against the fence trying to fend off takedowns and create some space. He wasn't in the open looking to end Cain off a counter right.