UFC 156

[SPX]

Faber: Bum. Overrated for the longest time.

You just fucked up.

[SPX]

i hope you win this bet, X. I remember Green is a pretty good fighter though. Not sure if he can stop the td. He is def the better striker.

Thanks. I'm banking on Volkmann being able to take him down and get his wrestling on. I think he should be able to. Not sure if I should've gone so heavy, though. Or at the very least I'm kind of regretting not parlaying him with Rashad.

[MMA_scientist]

Am I the only one who thinks Rashad at -400/-500 is crazy? I mean, Rashad is elite and everything but I feel like the fight is probably going to be alot closer than the line indicates? It's not like Rogerio doesn't have a clear out here.

What is his out? KO?

[Ludo]

Lets look at Aldo's recent opponents:

Mendes: Good opponent, quite one dimensional though
Florian: Great lightweight, but a shitty featherweight. He had to drain himself to make weight.
Hominick: 3 straight losses after Aldo, not fighting anymore
Manny: Bum.
Faber: Bum. Overrated for the longest time.
Mike Brown: Bum. He looked good when Faber was the top dog.

Aldo is an amazing fighter, but I feel he has not really been tested at Featherweight yet. He rules a weak division, while Edgar defeated the best in the TOUGHEST division in the UFCC ABOVE his natural weight class. Aldo's list of opponents lately...I am not impressed.

Mendes is knocking fools out left and right since losing to Aldo, your argument is invalid.
Hominick lost his best friend and trainer/mentor shortly after Aldo and was never the same.

It's not just that he beat these guys it's how he beat these guys. How many rounds did he lose collectively against this group? 2? 3 at the most? Edgar is a point fighter in the truest sense of the word and tends to get tagged alot in the first round. Aldo can do the kind of damage that can't be undone in the later rounds of a fight, he won't just be hitting Edgar in the face he'll be busting those legs up as well.

[Ludo]

What is his out? KO?

He definitely has the power in his hands, and it's not everyday Rashad fights a power striking southpaw. If Rashad isn't quite winning on the feet who's to say he doesn't get swept on the ground? Maybe I'm overrating Minotoro, but I just don't know that I like Rashad at 4-5 to 1 odds against a game opponent.

[zY|]

Lets look at Aldo's recent opponents:

Mendes: Good opponent, quite one dimensional though
Florian: Great lightweight, but a shitty featherweight. He had to drain himself to make weight.
Hominick: 3 straight losses after Aldo, not fighting anymore
Manny: Bum.
Faber: Bum. Overrated for the longest time.
Mike Brown: Bum. He looked good when Faber was the top dog.

Aldo is an amazing fighter, but I feel he has not really been tested at Featherweight yet. He rules a weak division, while Edgar defeated the best in the TOUGHEST division in the UFCC ABOVE his natural weight class. Aldo's list of opponents lately...I am not impressed.

You can do this with any fighter.

[MMA_scientist]

He definitely has the power in his hands, and it's not everyday Rashad fights a power striking southpaw. If Rashad isn't quite winning on the feet who's to say he doesn't get swept on the ground? Maybe I'm overrating Minotoro, but I just don't know that I like Rashad at 4-5 to 1 odds against a game opponent.

I do think it will competitive, I just think Rashad will take him down at will in that case. Rogerio is no Rodrigo on the ground. I like watching him because he is one of the few fighters that can pull off deep half guard sweeps, but I don't think Rashad has ever been swept or even close to being subbed. Rashad's base is ridiculous. I understand what you are saying though, how can you be a 5:1 favorite over a top 10 guy as well rounded as Nog... I just think the reality is that Nog has 0 to 1 advantages (he may or may not have better hands), and he will probably be taken down in every round and may get knocked out himself.

[Thewisemann]

I agree with Scientist. But Evans at those odds are not playable. I wish I would had bet him at -360.

[Vandelay]

Nog's tdd has impoved alot since the bader fight. I think he beat phil davis. Stuffed the majority of his takedowns and easily outstruck him. Phil didnt do anything when he got takedowns either.

[SPX]

. . . over a top 10 guy as well rounded as Nog...

Is Nog top 10?

[edman5555]

You can do this with any fighter.

Frankie.
Bj penn 1. Barely won. I think he lost.
Bj penn2: won but did very little damage.
Gray maynard 2 and 3: almost got knocked out in both fights. Dropped multiple times in 2:
Ben henderson: solid performance though he did get dropped in 1.

[zY|]

Frankie.
Bj penn 1. Barely won. I think he lost.
Bj penn2: won but did very little damage.
Gray maynard 2 and 3: almost got knocked out in both fights. Dropped multiple times in 2:
Ben henderson: solid performance though he did get dropped in 1.

This is a fun exercise.

Rashad Evans

Tito Ortiz - Lost this fight without the fence grab point deduction. Enough said.

Michael Bisping - Went life and death with and arguably lost to 185lb gatekeeper Bisping.

Chuck Liddell - Impressive KO of the aging legend, who subsequently goes and gets KOed 2 more times in a row, in quicker fashion, ultimately being KOed in 4 of his last 6 and losing 5 of his last 6, including a loss to the Queen of Mean, Keith Jardine.

Forrest Griffin - Knocks out an overachieving Forrest Griffin to win the title after soundly losing the first 2 rounds by doing absolutely nothing.

Lyoto Machida - Goes out and gets utterly demolished, grade A asswhupping, all-time animated gif and KO-face fashion, barely lands a strike, looks godawful terrible and makes Machida look like the MMA messiah, come down from heaven to reclaim the throne and ride off into the sunset.

Thiago Silva - Lay and pray for 2 rounds over a not-very-good top 15 at best Thiago Silva then gets rocked twice and nearly finished by a guy coming off back surgery and gassed trying to finish him.

Quinton Jackson - Looked pretty good against BA Baracus, fresh off the A-team, only missing the mohawk. Mostly showed off his speed over a fat actor whose only legitimate win since 2009 is over Matt Hammill. And again Rashad was nearly finished at the end by Captain Red Carpet.

Tito Ortiz 2 - Kills Tito, a guy only not being cut because of a fluke win, who ends up losing 7 of his last 9, with one of the exceptions being against Rashad himself, who he deserved to beat the first time. Rogerio, the guy Rashad is fighting, finished him much faster and more impressively in Tito's very next fight.

Phil Davis - Probably his best win. Showed 5 round dominance over a highly touted prospect who has looked very good, but shown to be fairly one dimensional and a limited striker at best. Essentially, if Davis can't take you down, he's going to have problems.

Jon Jones - Talks a big game, then gets toyed with and obliterated for 5 rounds by his former teammate and training partner. Bones is out there creating strikes on the fly and smashing Rashad with whatever he feels like, repeatedly. Only doesn't get finished due to late coasting and the conservative Greg Jackson championship gameplan. No shame, really, everyone gets mashed by this dude. However, no points awarded, either.

One could make an argument that of the 3 relevant fighters Rashad has ever fought, he's lost to 2 of them in devastating fashion.

[zY|]

Rogerio Nogueira, on the other hand, is a dominant and overlooked fighter from the PRIDE era (aka the good fighters), whose only deserving loss is a fluke KO to power-punching phenom yet overwhelming flake Sokoudjou. Ripped off against Bader and Davis, essentially undefeated since 2007. Been winning in organizations small and large, all over the world his entire career.

Nogueira by submission, Round 1

[SPX]

Damn zY . . . impressive work.

[Vandelay]

This is fun...

Forrest Griffin

Shogun 1 - Might be his best win. Subs a guy with one leg and gassed to hell.

Rampage Jackson - Wins 1 of 5 rds yet gets a decision because he's the ufc posterboy.

Rashad Evans - Koed by a wrestler when said wrestler decided to try.

Anderson Silva - Fuckin Embarassed. One of the most one sided ass-whoopings in MMA history and it was done by someone a weight class below him.

Tito Ortiz 2 - Split Decision win against a washed up, past his prime fighter who closed out his career on a 7 for 9 loss streak. Arguably lost this fight too.

Rich Franklin - Beats another past his prime fighter, this time a 185er though.

Shogun 2 - Brutally koed by a fighter with no knees or gas tank.

Tito 3 - Arguably lost again to fighter who should have retired years ago.