UFC on Fuel 8 Betting Results

**edman5555** · 03-04-2013, 04:43 PM

I wish I realized how bad Bahadababababs ground game was and Okami would be able to dominate in the grappling so well. I honestly thought he would never be able to hold Hector down. Okami by decision was a good bet. It was by far his most likely way to win and at 3 to 1 odds. I should have bet it..

I should of put a full unit on Wandy like I planned on doing. Oh well. Great Job Svino, Wiseman. Big hauls. I'm jelly.

Sorry Gomi betters. I had gomi winning and so did Sherdog/Junkie.

**poopoo333** · 03-04-2013, 09:58 PM

That Gomi fight really fucked me. So did things like Stefan Struve going for an armbar while not having an arm.

**SPX** · 03-04-2013, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by edman5555

I honestly thought he would never be able to hold Hector down.

Sometimes I think you get caught up too much in credentials. Like, this dude is an Olympian . . . this dude was an Division I wrestler . . . this dude is a K-1 striker . . .

Okay, fine, but I think we've seen in MMA that a lot of times that doesn't mean as much as you would expect.

**Svino** · 03-05-2013, 12:45 AM

Thanks, Edman. Throwing in live betting, this was actually my best event ever. And on top of that, I really liked it as a fan. It was great to see Wandy and Hunt's brutal KOs, and Gomi actually looking half-decent again.

In terms of "credentials" that fighters have outside of MMA: I usually rate wrestling credentials pretty highly, am a little bit skeptical of grappling credentials that rely on a gi, and think fighters with good striking credentials are almost always overrated. But yeah, there are always examples of guys who come in great on paper but can't quite deliver in the cage.

**edman5555** · 03-05-2013, 07:08 AM

Well it isn't just credentials spx. Its the fact that he is so tight, compact and muscled. He is also well known for being hard to get down. That is probably due to the fact that his opponents haven't been great. I give credit where its due. If someone is a good black belt in bjj I assume they will have good jiu jitsu in the cage. Same for striking and wrestling. The reason striking always gets overrated is because other aspects of mma get in the way. People shooting for doubles, faking, feinting, etc.

**SPX** · 03-05-2013, 07:20 AM

Dude, like everybody is a blackbelt in BJJ at this point.

I get what you're saying. Obviously credentials are better than no credentials. But I think we've seen enough MMA at this point to know that pure skills in other sports often just don't translate over to the highest levels of MMA. See: Jake Rosholt, Marcus Davis, Shane Roller, Chael Sonnen (before he became Super Sonnen and quit getting subbed EVERY goddamn time), Rolles Gracie and . . . Overeem?

That's just a partial list. And I'm not saying the above guys aren't good fighters. They're very solid fighters! They'd beat all our asses and then go the bar and beat a bunch of more dudes' asses! But they're also disappointments. They're also guys who didn't quite live up to their paper credentials. Just like little 5'8" middleweight Hector Lombard.

**edman5555** · 03-05-2013, 08:41 AM

well I think most of the guys you listed have actually used their skills pretty well in mma so I would disagree with you there. I could write more but I am on my phone.

**poopoo333** · 03-05-2013, 08:50 AM

Hector Lombard is overhyped. This match up kind of reminds me of the Erick Silva/Jon Fitch match up where the top 3-5 guy in the division is a 2 to 1 underdog to someone who isn't even in the top 10.

**edman5555** · 03-05-2013, 12:13 PM

Yeah. Okami is a great grappler and quite big. Lombard is a weird body type. Five foot nine and muscle bound.

**Luke** · 03-05-2013, 12:48 PM

I dont think Lombard is over-hyped ,I think his frame too small to compete at 185....much like Fedor's at HW. Lombard dominated rd 3. If he just wasnt "as good" as Okami that would have never happened. Lombard needs to move to 170. I have no doubt he'd be top 3 in that division

**edman5555** · 03-05-2013, 03:17 PM

Lombard would have to shed a lot of muscle to get there. I agree with you about lombard at 170. He is only 5'9'. Okami was fuckin 6'3''.

**SPX** · 03-05-2013, 05:04 PM

Originally posted by edman5555

well I think most of the guys you listed have actually used their skills pretty well in mma so I would disagree with you there. I could write more but I am on my phone.

Yeah, they're all solid fighters like I said, but it's not like Shane Roller was some unstoppable wrestle machine or Overeem didn't just get smashed by some guy who's never fought a kickboxing bought in his life. Or look at Lombard: His judo credentials are much more substantial than Okami's but Okami outgrappled him for 2 rounds.

All I'm saying is that an over-reliance on paper credentials is often not a great plan.

**SPX** · 03-05-2013, 05:07 PM

Originally posted by Luke

I dont think Lombard is over-hyped ,I think his frame too small to compete at 185....much like Fedor's at HW.

Well it worked out for Fedor for 10 years. He is the HW GOAT.

**edman5555** · 03-05-2013, 09:22 PM

Originally posted by SPX

Yeah, they're all solid fighters like I said, but it's not like Shane Roller was some unstoppable wrestle machine or Overeem didn't just get smashed by some guy who's never fought a kickboxing bought in his life. Or look at Lombard: His judo credentials are much more substantial than Okami's but Okami outgrappled him for 2 rounds.

All I'm saying is that an over-reliance on paper credentials is often not a great plan.

I wasnt over reliant on paper credentials. I just thought thought because he was so short and thick that he would be hard to muscle around. I know this might be hard to undestand but I wasn't just looking at the fact that he was an olympian. Cuba is a small country, being the olympic rep there isn't that huge a deal. It was just that he is a little tank of a man,

UFC on Fuel 8 Betting Results

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