Silva's Defense: Tainted Blue Sex Magic - What does this mean for his legacy?

[Ludo]

Sherk actually came to mind when I posted that. And I remember that the commission even admitted they fucked up on that one and that's why they cut his suspension in half.

What's really funny about that whole thing is Franca admitted to juicing and got a shorter suspension than Sherk did.

[SPX]

Honestly, he was probably screwed either way. Once NSAC says you've been busted for PED's, everyone who ever disliked you is going to just run with that, and many of your former supporters will feel like they don't have a leg to stand on, and will abandon you as well.

Well what I was saying is that, in hindsight at least, it would've been better if he had just not taken the Diaz fight. What sucks even more for him as well is that even if he hadn't gone the PED route, I have to think he would've beaten Diaz anyway. That is UNLESS PP is right and Silva's been doing the shit his whole career and is just now getting caught.

[Ludo]

Well what I was saying is that, in hindsight at least, it would've been better if he had just not taken the Diaz fight. What sucks even more for him as well is that even if he hadn't gone the PED route, I have to think he would've beaten Diaz anyway. That is UNLESS PP is right and Silva's been doing the shit his whole career and is just now getting caught.

I honestly don't think there's ever a time Nick Diaz beats Anderson in either of their careers. Silva is just all wrong for him style wise. Nick knew it, too, that's why he kept taunting instead of trying to engage for most of those rounds.

[Éire]

What a positive topic for my first post. What sold it for me is that when asked in the NSAC hearing, "Is this the first time you have ever been randomly tested?", he answered, "Yes."...

I think he's probably been using PEDs for his entire career.

[Ludo]

What a positive topic for my first post. What sold it for me is that when asked in the NSAC hearing, "Is this the first time you have ever been randomly tested?", he answered, "Yes."...

I think he's probably been using PEDs for his entire career.

I don't know that that's necessarily an admission that he'd been using all along, though. Nobody was doing random tests prior to that, and the fact that he snapped his leg in half in his last fight probably had more to do with it than anything else. I just don't see the guy using the whole time, and then only popping after a horrific injury at the age of like 38 following the only two losses in nearly a decade.

[SPX]

What a positive topic for my first post. What sold it for me is that when asked in the NSAC hearing, "Is this the first time you have ever been randomly tested?", he answered, "Yes."...

I think he's probably been using PEDs for his entire career.

Hey man, welcome to the forum! Glad to see you over here.

That's a good point about random testing. I hadn't heard that. I guess the thing for me is that I am just always so reluctant to be too accusatory because if what you're accusing them of is NOT true, then it's just an unfair and unjust accusation. BUT with that said, any rational person is going to have these questions raised in his mind.

[Éire]

I don't know that that's necessarily an admission that he'd been using all along, though. Nobody was doing random tests prior to that, and the fact that he snapped his leg in half in his last fight probably had more to do with it than anything else. I just don't see the guy using the whole time, and then only popping after a horrific injury at the age of like 38 following the only two losses in nearly a decade.

These are all fair points. However, if this is the first time that you were ever randomly tested and it's also the first time that you've ever been caught cheating... I just feel like that's far too shady and I don't believe it's coincidence.

Also, I have no idea if this is true or not but I've heard from completely unreliable sources that the drugs he was busted for actually decrease bone density.

At the end of the day though, it comes down to opinion on if he has or hasn't been juicing for his entire career. He has been busted once though which is bad enough for me.

Hey man, welcome to the forum! Glad to see you over here.

That's a good point about random testing. I hadn't heard that. I guess the thing for me is that I am just always so reluctant to be too accusatory because if what you're accusing them of is NOT true, then it's just an unfair and unjust accusation. BUT with that said, any rational person is going to have these questions raised in his mind.

Cheers brother, good to be here. I like it. A close, small community.

I'd completely agree with you if the fighter in question was just very sketchy but with no failed tests. However, the guy has failed a test so I think it's completely fair to think he's been using for his entire career.

[SPX]

I'd completely agree with you if the fighter in question was just very sketchy but with no failed tests. However, the guy has failed a test so I think it's completely fair to think he's been using for his entire career.

Yeah. I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he's been clean this whole time. In fact, considering he always seemed somewhat superhuman almost makes you think there was SOMETHING there that was helping him along. The thing is, I'm not even a Silva fan, so I have no vested interest in defending him and it would almost be amusing to me if it turned out he's always been a PED user.

I guess ultimately, unless he just comes out and admits it, we'll just never know for sure.

[Éire]

Yeah. I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he's been clean this whole time. In fact, considering he always seemed somewhat superhuman almost makes you think there was SOMETHING there that was helping him along. The thing is, I'm not even a Silva fan, so I have no vested interest in defending him and it would almost be amusing to me if it turned out he's always been a PED user.

I guess ultimately, unless he just comes out and admits it, we'll never know for sure.

Yep, we never will. I was never a Silva fan either but I really wish he didn't cheat. I enjoy the idea of him just being completely superhuman without any help. Probably the only reason I'm a fan of Jones. His recent test results were super sketchy too though.

[CriticalHit]

His punishment wasn't severe. He can fight early next year since it's retroactive to the date of the positive fight night test. If he does take another fight then he'll be getting more stringent random testing and will have to submit a clean sample when applying for a fight license for a fight.

It'll be interesting to see if he just retires or tries to end his career on a win streak where he also passes consecutive drug tests.

[SPX]

Yep, we never will. I was never a Silva fan either but I really wish he didn't cheat. I enjoy the idea of him just being completely superhuman without any help. Probably the only reason I'm a fan of Jones. His recent test results were super sketchy too though.

Basically I just always thought Silva was a cocky fuck and it annoyed me. But then again if I could fight like him, maybe I'd be a cocky fuck, too.

I'll tell you who would break me heart if he tested positive: Machida. That's my fucking guy right there. PLEASEEE MACHIDA, BE NATURAL!

[Ludo]

His punishment wasn't severe. He can fight early next year since it's retroactive to the date of the positive fight night test. If he does take another fight then he'll be getting more stringent random testing and will have to submit a clean sample when applying for a fight license for a fight.

It'll be interesting to see if he just retires or tries to end his career on a win streak where he also passes consecutive drug tests.

I'd say being fined 800K is pretty severe for a first time offender.

[Éire]

His punishment wasn't severe. He can fight early next year since it's retroactive to the date of the positive fight night test. If he does take another fight then he'll be getting more stringent random testing and will have to submit a clean sample when applying for a fight license for a fight.

It'll be interesting to see if he just retires or tries to end his career on a win streak where he also passes consecutive drug tests.

I think he probably takes the Bisping fight and then retires with the win.

Basically I just always thought Silva was a cocky fuck and it annoyed me. But then again if I could fight like him, maybe I'd be a cocky fuck, too.

I'll tell you who would break me heart if he tested positive: Machida. That's my fucking guy right there. PLEASEEE MACHIDA, BE NATURAL!

Haha, I think you're good there, man. Machida is for sure one of the least sketchy fighters on the roster.

[SPX]

His punishment wasn't severe. He can fight early next year since it's retroactive to the date of the positive fight night test. If he does take another fight then he'll be getting more stringent random testing and will have to submit a clean sample when applying for a fight license for a fight.

It'll be interesting to see if he just retires or tries to end his career on a win streak where he also passes consecutive drug tests.

I think the severe part is a $380,000 fine. I mean, Jesus. That's not pocket change.

[Éire]

I'd say being fined 800K is pretty severe for a first time offender.

AFAIK, he was only fined 380K although that is still pretty steep. His 200K win bonus and 30% of his 600K show money. He also made an estimated 6 million on PPV points though.