Sage Northcutt

[Luke]

SPX, what's your opinion on "Sage is on roids" rumors?

I kind of believe them considering he looks that way at only 19 and he dad use to sell roids

[SPX]

He did look clueless on the ground, and that was a terrible standup by the ref. But he certainly beasted after that. They need to keep giving him guys like Pfister for awhile, there is no rush, or you'll get what happened to Paige.

Pretty much this. He's literally just a kid and he's very new to the sport. Give him time and let him develop slowly. Maybe in four or five years from now he'll be ready to challenge for the title but there's no reason to rush it.

How long did it take for RDA to get his title shot? 8 fucking years! Can you believe that?

[zY|]

He did look clueless on the ground, and that was a terrible standup by the ref. But he certainly beasted after that. They need to keep giving him guys like Pfister for awhile, there is no rush, or you'll get what happened to Paige.

[SPX]

Yeah but he got taken down and controlled for nearly a whole round by Cody fucking Pfister.

So you're not going to give him any credit for righting the ship? Or taking Cody down with ease? Or getting a second round sub?

Why do you hate Sage?

[Ludo]

But for real, he's 19 and new to the sport and still pretty raw. He got taken down almost immediately, which was kind of surprising, but I think that was just lack of experience. What concerns me more is the way he barely looked like he knew what he was doing off his back. He was trying to shrimp out and shit, but he wasn't doing a very good job of it and who knows how long he'd have been down there if the ref hadn't stood them up. Would he have been down there all round?

In any case, once he got back to his feet he went into beast mode and finished the fight soon after. So don't act like he lost or even like it ended up being some close decision.

Yeah but he got taken down and controlled for nearly a whole round by Cody fucking Pfister.

[SPX]

But for real, he's 19 and new to the sport and still pretty raw. He got taken down almost immediately, which was kind of surprising, but I think that was just lack of experience. What concerns me more is the way he barely looked like he knew what he was doing off his back. He was trying to shrimp out and shit, but he wasn't doing a very good job of it and who knows how long he'd have been down there if the ref hadn't stood them up. Would he have been down there all round?

In any case, once he got back to his feet he went into beast mode and finished the fight soon after. So don't act like he lost or even like it ended up being some close decision.

[SPX]

2-0!!!!!!!!!!

[Ludo]

Can we put this nonsense to bed now?

[Ludo]

I'm not counting them out. I'm just saying if we're having a conversation about "prospects" then guys like that don't qualify. Northcutt is a prospect. Michael Page is still a prospect. I'm talking about guys who are still relatively new to the sport, not guys who have been fighting for years.

Ludo put Michael fucking Chandler on his revised list. Michael Chandler is 29, has 16 pro fights and is a former champion in a major organization. That is not a prospect. He's a guy who may very well have already passed the mid-point of his career.

And obviously it's not that those can't can do some serious shit over the next handful of years, it's just not the conversation that we're having.

You specified lightweight prospect, then changed the rules to guys who had <5 fights in the UFC, or had never fought in the UFC. Chandler is still very much a prospect, because while he has 16 fights who the fuck has he fought other than a washed up Ghono, Alvarez, and other exciting young fighters?

[SPX]

Sage with Hughes. Hughes looks old.

[SPX]

I agree Northcutt is a legit prospect, but to Ludo's point you can't count out guys making incremental improvements.

I'm not counting them out. I'm just saying if we're having a conversation about "prospects" then guys like that don't qualify. Northcutt is a prospect. Michael Page is still a prospect. I'm talking about guys who are still relatively new to the sport, not guys who have been fighting for years.

Ludo put Michael fucking Chandler on his revised list. Michael Chandler is 29, has 16 pro fights and is a former champion in a major organization. That is not a prospect. He's a guy who may very well have already passed the mid-point of his career.

And obviously it's not that those can't can do some serious shit over the next handful of years, it's just not the conversation that we're having.

[Ludo]

I agree Northcutt is a legit prospect, but to Ludo's point you can't count out guys making incremental improvements.

Look at RDA, a low-key middling almost-journeyman fighter who quietly improves fight-to-fight until one day he kicks Ben Henderson's head off and you say oh shit this dude is a badass all of a sudden. Then he bends Nate Diaz over, pulls his pants down, and literally fucks him in the ass in the middle of the cage. He follows this up by inserting his big, brown, Brazilian monkey wrench all up into Pretty Tony Pettis' Wheaties box and crushes his perceived long championship reign.

Or Robbie Lawler. Most people thought his career was done, now he's making the "new breed"s faces literally explode.

[zY|]

I agree Northcutt is a legit prospect, but to Ludo's point you can't count out guys making incremental improvements.

Look at RDA, a low-key middling almost-journeyman fighter who quietly improves fight-to-fight until one day he kicks Ben Henderson's head off and you say oh shit this dude is a badass all of a sudden. Then he bends Nate Diaz over, pulls his pants down, and literally fucks him in the ass in the middle of the cage. He follows this up by inserting his big, brown, Brazilian monkey wrench all up into Pretty Tony Pettis' Wheaties box and crushes his perceived long championship reign.

[Ludo]

I don't know that that's like pushing the reset button on his career though. In any case, I am more talking guys in the UFC who have like 3 or fewer fights . . . or maybe even guys you know about that aren't even in the UFC yet.

In that case:

Will Brooks
Michael Chandler
David Rickels
Dave Jansen
Lowen Tynanes
Koji Ando

Also, Poirier is only 26. I don't know that I would rule him out just because he's been busy. Kind of like Stefan Struve. He may be a veteran by definition of cage time in the UFC, but the kid is still learning shit every day, and still improving every fight.

[edman5555]

On the JRE he said it was his karate that allowed him to get in on opponents:

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