Helio Gracie Dead

[zY|]

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The Gracie family tree is like a greek drama.

My favorite: Rolls Gracie was actually the family champion before he died and was actually said to be better than Rickson (the Gracies always had a champion that would fight challlenge matches, who was supposed to be the best Gracie; Rolls and later Rickson became champion). Rorion was always an average player. Rorion was Helio's favorite son though, and Rorion and Rolls had a rivalry. Helio was always disappointed that Rolls was so much better then Rorion (Rorion was the son of Helio's 2nd wife Vera while Rolls was Helio's nephew). Helio couldn't hack that none his progeny could not beat Rolls. When Rolls died in 1982, Helio had an outburst and screamed out that Rolls was not a real champion because he never had to fight anyone good. Helio had raised Rolls and supposedly loved him like a son, but he just coun't stand that his blood couldn't beat him, not even the mighty Rickson, who was quiet a bit younger.


Rolls was an innovator. He cross trained with Bob Anderson in wrestling and brought all of the freestyle wrestling stuff into their technique.

Didn't Rolls fly a hang-glider into a mountain or something crazy like that?

And also what's up with Helio's name? Every single other Gracie is R something, pronounced with H, yet boss man said fuck the dumb shit I'm rolling with H.

[zY|]

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Well played imo.

Here you can have this.

LOL

You have me cracking up over here.

The truth: I really, truly, did not know that the motherfucker had died.

LOL ok.

Well it was kind of a big deal last year. Like Ron Burgundy.

[SPX]

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Scientist:

Just from what you say, it sounds like Helio was actually something of a dickhead. He cheats on his wives and shits on his nephew? What's that all about? And why is he in your avatar?

[SPX]

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And also what's up with Helio's name? Every single other Gracie is R something, pronounced with H, yet boss man said fuck the dumb shit I'm rolling with H.

LOL

Even Helio knew that real English was better.

[SPX]

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LOL ok.

Well it was kind of a big deal last year. Like Ron Burgundy.

I guess I wasn't paying attention.

I probably actually saw something about it, but for some reason, the Gracie family hasn't seemed relevant to me for a long time.

[MMA_scientist]

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Scientist:

Just from what you say, it sounds like Helio was actually something of a dickhead. He cheats on his wives and shits on his nephew? What's that all about? And why is he in your avatar?

He was somewhat of a cocksmack. He didn't cheat on his wife though. He and Carlson were open about there desire to create a clan and spread their seeds. I think his wices knew about it. As for Rolls, he regretted immediately, supposedly. It was a different time, Rickson was born in 1958... and it was Brazil.
When he was a yong man he went to prison for a few years for jumping a guy and cracking his skull. He really does seem like he was kind of shithead tbh in his younger days.

But most historical figures are crazy as hell.

I rep him in my AV because we were talking about the redbelt a few weeks back... and he is pretty much the founder of BJJ, so that carries some weight.

I am going to swap him out for Rolls now though.

[MMA_scientist]

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I probably actually saw something about it, but for some reason, the Gracie family hasn't seemed relevant to me for a long time.

They aren't really relevant in MMA, except to the extent that most fighters train in bjj, and every legit bjj trainer traces his lineage to either Helio or Carlson.

But in sport grappling, gi or no gi, the Gracie family is still totally relevant. I mean, there isn't much else.

[Luke]

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^^^ Okay, well I confess, I didn't realize the old man had died. Who the fuck's the family patriarch now? Rorion?

Did you really not know he died?

Hell, UFC 94 opened up with "In memory of Helio Gracie" right there on the screen of the PPV.

You think Kimo is dead so why is it so far fetched SPX didnt know Helio was dead? I mean this is SPX so...

[SPX]

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I mean this is SPX so...

What?

[Luke]

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What?

what ? what?

[zY|]

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You think Kimo is dead

LOL

So trolled.

[Svino]

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They aren't really relevant in MMA, except to the extent that most fighters train in bjj, and every legit bjj trainer traces his lineage to either Helio or Carlson.

Do you happen to know anything about the "Victor Gracie" saga? I know Vitor started fighting under the Gracie name, but stopped after it caused controversy with the rest of the Gracies. One rumor I heard was that they didn't want Vitor associated with the Gracie name, because he did too much striking and therefore wouldn't be a good representative for BJJ. I don't know if that version is true, but I would find it funny if the Gracie family chased away their shot at having a great MMA fighter under their name for that reason.

[MMA_scientist]

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^^ Never heard that. But Vitor still considers himself a bjj fighter for some reason. Even after he Ko'd Linland (I think it was linldand), he ran around the ring shouting "jiu jitsu!"

But I have never heard of a totally unrelated guy using the Gracie name. Roger's real last name is Gomes, but his mom is a Gracie, so he is related.

Is Vitor related?

[SPX]

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Do you happen to know anything about the "Victor Gracie" saga? I know Vitor started fighting under the Gracie name, but stopped after it caused controversy with the rest of the Gracies. One rumor I heard was that they didn't want Vitor associated with the Gracie name, because he did too much striking and therefore wouldn't be a good representative for BJJ. I don't know if that version is true, but I would find it funny if the Gracie family chased away their shot at having a great MMA fighter under their name for that reason.

Seems I might have heard something about that. My question would be why Vitor wouldn't want to fight under his own name.

[SPX]

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Even after he Ko'd Linland (I think it was linldand), he ran around the ring shouting "jiu jitsu!"

LOL

Didn't he do that shit after he (sort of) TKOd Wanderlei way back in the day?

I should go choke someone out and run around shouting "taekwondo! taekwondo!"