Testing issues could derail Mayweather-Pacquiao

[Luke]

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Pacquiao, who has risen through seven weight divisions to win titles in a record seven divisions while maintaining his speed and power

hmmmm

7 weight divisions. LOL. Why are there so many fucking weight classes in boxing? What does "rising through 7 weight divisions" even mean in this case?

7 weight classes is 40 pounds .You were just saying how hard it would be for 155 pound Penn to gain 20 pounds. How hard do you think is was for 103 pound Manny to gain 40?

[Luke]

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If I was Mayweather and I truly believed he was on something or had good evidence he was in the past I'd jut cancel the fight if Manny doesnt want to take the test.

I think that performance-enhancing drugs can obviously enhance performance, but they can't turn you into a superhuman. If Mayweather really thinks he's that much better of a fighter than Manny, then he should just fight him. He's seen tape of Manny fight--presumably an already enhanced Manny--and it's the guy on the tape that he feels confident he can beat. So drugs or no drugs, they should fight.

Seems to me that both guys owe this fight to the sport and the fans that made them what they are in the first place.

Wow I expected a different response from you SPX,you always seem to me to be on the straight and narrow.

To me fighting a fighter on roids or EPO is no different than fighting a fighter with loaded gloves and I would tell anyone not to fight the fight.

You cant blame Mayweather for not wanting to fight someone thats cheating.If Manny can take drugs why cant Mayweather come in at 150 instead of 145 or where 6 oz loaded gloves instead of 10oz gloves?

Its all about safety and no one should ever take a unnecessary risk in boxing .Fighters get hit with 300-500 punches per fight so its already dangerous enough.


Blame Manny not Mayweather .All Manny has to do is take the test and the fight is on

[zY|]

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Fuck both of these pricks.

Mayweather for making increasingly ridiculous demands and Manny for refusing. These clowns will be fucking Oprah rich after this fight and they're arguing about drug testing.

Ludicrous.

[SPX]

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Wow I expected a different response from you SPX,you always seem to me to be on the straight and narrow.

Ha ha, oh? How so? I'm curious.

To me fighting a fighter on roids or EPO is no different than fighting a fighter with loaded gloves and I would tell anyone not to fight the fight.

You cant blame Mayweather for not wanting to fight someone thats cheating.If Manny can take drugs why cant Mayweather come in at 150 instead of 145 or where 6 oz loaded gloves instead of 10oz gloves?

Its all about safety and no one should ever take a unnecessary risk in boxing .Fighters get hit with 300-500 punches per fight so its already dangerous enough.

Blame Manny not Mayweather .All Manny has to do is take the test and the fight is on

I have mixed emotions about steroids in general. The fact of the matter is that we don't know shit about them or their long-term effects and studies are not being done. Have you ever seen the documentary Bigger,Stronger, Faster? If not, you should watch it.

In a way, I feel that if fighters can take creatine or other supplements, or sleep in oxygen chambers, to improve performance, then they should be allowed to take steroids. The only difference is that steroids just happen to be synthetic. Nevertheless, like creatine, most are merely substances that help you to build more muscle, in their case by boosting testosterone levels. On the other hand, if you don't try to enforce rules against steroid use, then it kind of shuts guys out who don't want to take that risk (whatever the risk may be . . . again, we don't really know).

Personally, if steroids weren't so fucking hard to get and so iffy in regard to exactly what you're getting when you do get them, and if you didn't potentially lose a large portion of your gains when you cycle off of them, then I would do them myself.

[Luke]

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Ha ha, oh? How so? I'm curious

You seem to sympathize wih people that have drug,alcohol ,and depression problems for one. You get on me for watching streams instead of paying because paying is the right thing to do to support the fighters.
I just thought you were a kinder person than me and would object to someone cheating in a fight

Its not a bad thing because I'm no where close to be a being a straight and narrow but I just didnt expect that answer from you.No big deal just surprising

[Luke]

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Fuck both of these pricks.

Mayweather for making increasingly ridiculous demands and Manny for refusing. These clowns will be fucking Oprah rich after this fight and they're arguing about drug testing.

Ludicrous.

I expected this answer from you lol

[SPX]

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You seem to sympathize wih people that have drug,alcohol ,and depression problems for one.

Well that's because a lot of friends/family has had drug/alcohol/depression problems and I myself deal with depression a good bit too, even to the point where, though I don't think I'd actually go through with it, I think about suicide quite a lot.

You get on me for watching streams instead of paying because paying is the right thing to do to support the fighters.

This is a tough one. I watch streams sometimes. I think my view on it probably comes down to a person's financial resources. If you're broke and can't afford $50, then I can understand that. I used to always pay for my PPVs. However, I've had to take a substantial cut in my hours/pay since Igot back into school and don't really have much extra money at all. Now I try to go to the bar (the most ethical choice if you can't afford it, in my opinion), but if I can't find anyone to go with then I'll usually find a stream.

I guess the bottom line for me is that if you're broke, then stream it. But if you have the money and are just cheap, then buy it. The quality's better anyway and there's really no disputing that the reason the UFC is able to pay their fighters a lot more money now than 10 years is because the company is making more money. So more revenue does = higher fighter pay.

I just thought you were a kinder person than me and would object to someone cheating in a fight

As for me being a kinder person, well, in some ways I can actually be kind of a prick. Even though I do (usually intellectually) sympathize with people who are fucked up, I still have a tendency to be kind of judgmental about a lot of things and have a hard time putting my intellectual convictions into action. I lose my patience with certain types of people pretty easily.

As for performance enhancers, hmm, this one's difficult because I think that roid use is extraordinarily rampant in combat sports. In fact, I often imagine fighters sitting around in the locker room and talking about what they're cycling, but no everyone keeps quiet to the media. Perhaps eventually MMA's Jose Conseco will come along and open the lid on the whole thing, but until that time it's just speculation. But when I hear about a fighter using roids, I generally just think that he's doing what he's gotta do to keep up with everyone else who is doing the exact same thing. In that sense, it's not cheating, it's just leveling the playing field.

[SPX]

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I expected this answer from you lol

We always get the best soundbites from zY about the Manny/Mayweather situation.

[SPX]

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Looks like we may be back in business. Hopefully they'll get it worked out. . .

The richest fight in boxing history came perilously close to being cancelled until Manny Pacquiao's promoter, Bob Arum, agreed to Floyd Mayweather's request that his fighter be blood-tested for performance-enhancing drugs.

The fight is tentatively set for 13 March, probably in Las Vegas. An announcement was to be made in New York on 6 January, as both parties, defying precedent, had come to quick agreement over splitting the $50m (£31.3m) purse, the division of pay-per-view revenues that might reach $150m and the 147lb weight limit.

Then Mayweather yesterday repeated suspicions voiced several times recently by his father, Floyd Sr, that Pacquiao has taken performance-enhancing drugs, an allegation the fighter strongly denies. They wonder how the WBO welterweight champion has kept his phenomenal punching power in rising up through seven weight divisions over 14 years, and asked for Olympic-standard, random pre-fight blood tests.

"I have already agreed to the testing," Mayweather said, "and it is a shame he is not willing to do the same. It leaves me with great doubt as to the level of fairness I would be facing in the ring that night."

Arum told Reuters last night: "My gut feeling is Mayweather doesn't want to do the fight and this is his excuse. Period."

Arum's first reaction to the ultimatum was: "As far as I'm concerned, the fight is off." Within hours he had offered a compromise deal, one that Mayweather would be foolish to reject unless he wants to scupper a fight that could generate as much as $200m. "Manny will submit to as many random urine tests as requested," said Arum, who wants the testers used in the NFL, NBA and Major League Baseball. "Regarding the blood tests, he will subject himself to three tests, one given in January during the week the fight is formally announced, one 30 days from the fight, no later than 13 February, and the final one immediately following the fight, in Manny's locker room."

Golden Boy Promotions, which acts for Mayweather, says urine tests do not detect Human Growth Hormone, while the Olympic-standard blood tests they want do. Medical opinion is divided on the subject. Pacquiao's trainer, Freddie Roach, has dismissed the allegations as mischief-making. He said in an interview with ESPN this month: "Mayweather's side wanted it because the expert over there, Mayweather Sr, says Manny is on steroids to get bigger. They're scared of Manny and scared of his power. He'll pass any test in the world."

Pacquiao and Mayweather have had remarkably similar growth patterns. Both weighed and fought at 106lbs when 16, Mayweather as a Golden Gloves amateur star, Pacquiao as a skinny street kid in the Philippines. Pacquiao made his pro debut at the weight in 1995, and worked his way through the world's best in the lower weight divisions until moving to Los Angeles in 2001 to join Roach at his Wild Card gym, where his strong body filled out through improved nutrition and training methods.

Then he started to take on bigger fighters, such as Juan Manuel Márquez in 2004 and the super-feather warrior Erik Morales, followed by Marco Antonio Barrera, David Díaz, Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton and, most recently, Miguel Cotto, hardening the perception that he carries his power up through the weights.

This CV is not dissimilar to Mayweather's. Mayweather too has moved effortlessly through a gilded amateur and professional career from the same weight base, winning six pro world titles at five weights, and is clearly the bigger fighter of the two. Wrecking Pacquiao-Mayweather, for whatever reason, would amount to the most grand commercial folly. A resolution is expected imminently.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/de ... ug-testing

[Luke]

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good I cant wait to make money by taking Money

[Mr. IWS]

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I guess it was just a ploy to get more chatter about the fight. It worked.

[Luke]

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Manny suing Mayweather

Pacquiao, angered by accusations from the Mayweather camp that he uses performance-enhancing drugs, said he would file a defamation lawsuit against Mayweather and Golden Boy Promotions.

"Enough is enough. These people, Mayweather Sr., [Mayweather] Jr. and Golden Boy Promotions, think it is a joke and a right to accuse someone wrongly of using steroids or other performance-enhancing drugs," said Pacquiao, who denied that he has ever used any banned substance and has passed all of his drug tests. "I have tried to just brush it off as a mere pre-fight ploy but I think they have gone overboard."

[Mr. IWS]

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I really think this is all hype to sell the fight more.

[SPX]

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This is just getting silly.

By the way, didn't Mayweather also start his fight career at the same weight Manny started his? That's what I've heard. If that's true, what's the big deal about Manny moving up in weight?

[Luke]

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I guess it was just a ploy to get more chatter about the fight. It worked.

I'm starting to think thats all this crap is