UFC 112

[Luke]

Re: UFC 112

Anyone else think Renzo looks like the butler off Mr Deeds?

[zY|]

Re: UFC 112

[zY|]

Re: UFC 112

Ill always have a special place in my heart for Renzo. I was on him when he fought Shamrock in the first Elite XC.

That said, I think Hughes will beat him.

I think he'll do better than Royce, but no, he's not going to beat Matt Hughes.

[Luke]

Re: UFC 112

Yep thats Renzo

[Luke]

Re: UFC 112

I think he'll do better than Royce, but no, he's not going to beat Matt Hughes.

100% agree


I think Royce only showed up for a paycheck that night .Renzo will at least try

[poopoo333]

Re: UFC 112

What's the deal with Renzo? Why does everyone have no confidence in him?

I know almost nothing about him, but doesn't the fact that he's a Gracie mean something?

Rolles Gracie...

[Thewiseman]

Re: UFC 112

Just took Edgar by decision. .5u to win 5.5u and the prop that the fight goes the distance 1u to win 2.5u

[Ludo]

Re: UFC 112

Final plays:
4u parlay to win 4u on Munoz and Davis
4u parlay to win 4.7u on Silva, Penn, and Munoz
2.5u parlay to win 1.5u on Penn, Silva, and Hughes
2.2u parlay to win 1.3u on Silva, Penn, and Davis

Unfortunately this card has plenty of good fights, but as far as betting goes theres not much to make good money on.

[poopoo333]

Re: UFC 112

Ludo, you are pretty confident in Munoz, aren't you?

[Ludo]

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Yeah, I don't think Grove has an answer for his love of the "keep you down and beat you up" technique or his size(Munoz used to fight at 205). His hands are heavy, and Groves chin isn't the hardest around the division by any means. I see Munoz winning that fight 8 out of 10 times at least.

[SPX]

Re: UFC 112

Yeah, I don't think Grove has an answer for his love of the "keep you down and beat you up" technique or his size(Munoz used to fight at 205). His hands are heavy, and Groves chin isn't the hardest around the division by any means. I see Munoz winning that fight 8 out of 10 times at least.

I am confident in Munoz at all. He was okay in the WEC, but I just don't see him going far against UFC caliber competition. He was already shut down by Hamill in a big way, and who has he beat? Nick Catone and Ryan Jensen? Two C-listers. Grove may not be a top-level fighter, but he's got a lot more experience than Munoz against better competition. As always, I can't guarantee how any fight is going to go, but I'm actually surprised Grove is the underdog here. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Munoz get the Jake Rosholt treatment.

Munoz may win, but considering the variables, it's not a great choice to anchor two parlays in my opinion.

[poopoo333]

Re: UFC 112

Plays so far:
1 unit on Dos Anjos @ +150
0.5 unit on Maia @ +460


Literally 2 hours or so after, Maia's line jumped to +500. LAME

Considering Veach over Kelly as of now, and Hughes over Gracie if the line dips below -400.

[Ludo]

Re: UFC 112

Yeah, I don't think Grove has an answer for his love of the "keep you down and beat you up" technique or his size(Munoz used to fight at 205). His hands are heavy, and Groves chin isn't the hardest around the division by any means. I see Munoz winning that fight 8 out of 10 times at least.

I am confident in Munoz at all. He was okay in the WEC, but I just don't see him going far against UFC caliber competition. He was already shut down by Hamill in a big way, and who has he beat? Nick Catone and Ryan Jensen? Two C-listers. Grove may not be a top-level fighter, but he's got a lot more experience than Munoz against better competition. As always, I can't guarantee how any fight is going to go, but I'm actually surprised Grove is the underdog here. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Munoz get the Jake Rosholt treatment.

Munoz may win, but considering the variables, it's not a great choice to anchor two parlays in my opinion.

I just don't see it. Rosholt isn't the best measuring stick for Munoz. Munoz has better standup, heavier hands, and doesn't try to get up once he has his opponent down on the ground(which is how Rosholt got caught with that triangle, while he was backing out of half guard). Munoz' ground and pound is absolutely disasterous for anyone having to feel it. As far as the fight with Hamill is concerned, I wouldn't call him shut down. I would have called that round 10-9 Hamill if it had gone that far, however Munoz got the better of Hamill on more than a couple exchanges. Munoz wasn't getting absolutely outclassed here, he got caught because he kept telegraphing and developing a pattern. He kept lowering for the takedown as well as everytime Hamil threw a strike he would dip and duck instead of using real footwork. He's fought twice since then and I really saw improvement in his standup against Jensen. He's big enough to pose a problem for anyone at 185 if it hits the ground. Grove's takedown defense isn't exactly legendary or anything either.

[poopoo333]

Re: UFC 112

Doing my research now on Veach/Kelly.

Veach vs Grice- Veach was dropped, rocked, and some refs would have stopped it before he got up and got the controversial TKO over Grice. Veach also had superior wrestling

This showed Veach had good heart and recovery.

Veach vs Edgar-Veach was able to slam Edgar a couple times, but ended up getting rocked by Edgar before getting submitted (RNC)

This shows that Veach has been dropped in his 2 fights in the UFC, and he was gassed in the Grice fight and looked kind of gassed in the Edgar fight.


Time to watch Paul Kelly vids, mainly to find out if his TDD is up to par... if his TDD is poor, I think Veach will win for sure.

[Ludo]

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I don't think you'll find a whole lot of takedown attempts on Kelly to be honest. They haven't really matched him up in the UFC with a straight up Wrestler because of the fact that he's British and they aren't exactly world class grapplers in Britain for the most part just yet. Veach has the advantage of a decent ground game with hands heavy enough to catch Kelly standing. I don't see a whole lot of ways for Paul Kelly to win this fight other than getting lucky and catching Veach(which could happen). It's a smaller margin than usual though because Veach likes to clinch. Just some food for thought.