Evans-Rampage UFC 114

[zY|]

Re: Evans-Rampage UFC 114

Man, I couldn't disagree more about 5 vs. 3 round fights. I don't think any fight should be scheduled for 5 rounds from the start. Boring 5 round fights will kill the sport.

On the other hand, some sort of system with "overtime" rounds in the fight is really close might work.

3 rounds is simply not enough time for evenly matched top fighters to decide a winner. You will see the light eventually.

Well, the catch would be knowing in advance that they're evenly matched. In the vast majority of five round fights that I can think of, I could easily predict what would happen in the last two rounds by having seen the first three.

I agree that two more rounds would have been good for Briz - Nog, but I don't think Evans - Rampage called for it at all. In the first three rounds, we saw a clear pattern of Evans controlling Rampage that would have just been repeated in 4 and 5. All Page had was that one punch and what he could work off of it.

But yeah, if you called more 10-10 rounds, you might be able to work an overtime system with 3 round fights. Alternatively, you could schedule fights for 5 rounds, but call them off after 3rd or 4th round if one fighter had an advantage on the scorecards that couldn't be overcome by the other fighter winning every remaining round (10-9).

You're compromising.

I can see you're rounding the corner.

[Luke]

Re: Evans-Rampage UFC 114

Gotcha.

Shogun won't lay around like Silva or Rampage and let him recover. He has some of the best finishing instincts in the sport. Plus, despite the fact that Rashad is a "Rolles Gracie black belt", if he takes Shogun down he's probably going to get swept almost immediately. His best chance is to try to tire Shogun out with relentless takedowns, but I don't see it. Rashad tires himself out just as much with all that fence clinching. Shogun will hurt him.

I dont think Evans stands a chance but I'm sure the odds will be higher than I want to bet

[zY|]

Re: Evans-Rampage UFC 114

So some fights will be boring.

Baseball games are boring. I'm ok with it. The pros far outweigh the cons.

Give me 7 round title fights as well. That's 1 minute less than a 12 round boxing match.

Also consider how many fights can be fit into a PPV broadcast. Do you really want to pay $50--not that you do or anything--to watch 3 fights?

It is what it is.

Put the 3 round low level fights on the undercard or fight nights. Top15 or so guys need longer. Grown folks fight 5 rounds.

[zY|]

Re: Evans-Rampage UFC 114

Gotcha.

Shogun won't lay around like Silva or Rampage and let him recover. He has some of the best finishing instincts in the sport. Plus, despite the fact that Rashad is a "Rolles Gracie black belt", if he takes Shogun down he's probably going to get swept almost immediately. His best chance is to try to tire Shogun out with relentless takedowns, but I don't see it. Rashad tires himself out just as much with all that fence clinching. Shogun will hurt him.

I dont think Evans stands a chance but I'm sure the odds will be higher than I want to bet

I don't think so either, but I'm just trying to be realistic. Shogun's biggest weakness is his porous takedown defense. He also hasn't had to work hard since the Coleman fight, so who knows how good his cardio really is? The last 2 fights he had to work hard in he either lost or looked terrible.

[SPX]

Re: Evans-Rampage UFC 114

I don't think so either, but I'm just trying to be realistic. Shogun's biggest weakness is his porous takedown defense. He also hasn't had to work hard since the Coleman fight, so who knows how good his cardio really is? The last 2 fights he had to work hard in he either lost or looked terrible.

He didn't have to work hard for the first Machida fight?

[Svino]

Re: Evans-Rampage UFC 114

You're compromising.

I can see you're rounding the corner.

Yeah, I'm all for seeing more of close fights. But boring 5 round fights need to never happen. When fans get a boring 3 round fight, they grumble a little bit. When they see a boring 5 round fight, they get pissed. There's something about those extra two rounds that send people over the edge. Going over the last several: Shields / Hendo, Mo / Mousassi, Melendez / Aoki, Silva / Maia, GSP / Hardy, I don't think the last two rounds of these fights served any real purpose at all; everything was clear by the end of round 3. Even in the close one: Penn / Edgar, it wasn't like rounds 4 and 5 followed a different pattern or shed that much light on which fighter was better.

[Svino]

Re: Evans-Rampage UFC 114

+5.5u. Would have been almost 10u if Rampage would have won.

Grats,

I made a couple of bad calls (Sanchez, Miller) but fortunately didn't bet too much on them, so I'm up 4.5 U for the night. I can't complain; Diabate saved my bacon.

[SPX]

Re: Evans-Rampage UFC 114

Even in the close one: Penn / Edgar, it wasn't like rounds 4 and 5 followed a different pattern or shed that much light on which fighter was better.

I would actually disagree here. I think that Penn's cardio really became a factor in the later rounds.

He easily won the first two rounds, in my opinion.

After that, Edgar started to capitalize on Penn's waning cardio.

[zY|]

Re: Evans-Rampage UFC 114

I don't think so either, but I'm just trying to be realistic. Shogun's biggest weakness is his porous takedown defense. He also hasn't had to work hard since the Coleman fight, so who knows how good his cardio really is? The last 2 fights he had to work hard in he either lost or looked terrible.

He didn't have to work hard for the first Machida fight?

I'm just saying it was mostly standup, he controlled the pace, and the pace was fairly slow and methodical.

I'm just being devil's advocate. I think his cardio is much improved now too. Just trying to point out possible things Rashad can exploit.

[Ludo]

Re: Evans-Rampage UFC 114

-6.5u

[Svino]

Re: Evans-Rampage UFC 114

Even in the close one: Penn / Edgar, it wasn't like rounds 4 and 5 followed a different pattern or shed that much light on which fighter was better.

I would actually disagree here. I think that Penn's cardio really became a factor in the later rounds.

He easily won the first two rounds, in my opinion.

After that, Edgar started to capitalize on Penn's waning cardio.

Yeah, I guess I can't really disagree with that. (Some of the judges at the fight did though...)

[Luke]

Re: Evans-Rampage UFC 114

This main event blew ,WTF ? Most anticipated fight in history please!!!! Its wasnt even goo.The fight blew except for about 30 seconds.

























J/k

Just giving you guys shit is all. Had this been the biggest boxing fight in history and been this bad I'm sure everyone would be jumping on me and boxing

[zY|]

Re: Evans-Rampage UFC 114

You're compromising.

I can see you're rounding the corner.

Yeah, I'm all for seeing more of close fights. But boring 5 round fights need to never happen. When fans get a boring 3 round fight, they grumble a little bit. When they see a boring 5 round fight, they get pissed. There's something about those extra two rounds that send people over the edge. Going over the last several: Shields / Hendo, Mo / Mousassi, Melendez / Aoki, Silva / Maia, GSP / Hardy, I don't think the last two rounds of these fights served any real purpose at all; everything was clear by the end of round 3. Even in the close one: Penn / Edgar, it wasn't like rounds 4 and 5 followed a different pattern or shed that much light on which fighter was better.

First of all, if Strikeforce allows elbows, I'm not so sure Aoki or Mousasi see the final bell. Retardation aside, I don't agree with what you're saying on some of those decisions, and it also sounds like a bit of revisionist history. Edgar took over in the last 2 rounds, just as Shogun did against Machida in the first fight. GSP/Hardy was in no doubt, but a lesser man has his shoulder ripped off in round 4. It's easy to look at a fight after it happened and say yeah, obviously it was going to continue in the same fashion.

I prefer to look at it from fights that were unclear after 3 rounds or the tide was turning and wonder what could've been. And even if they were unclear, we may get more finishes. I know the statistics don't support this, but the sample size is so small I don't think it's relevant. A fight is like a nice long narrative being told. It has a beginning, a middle, and an ending. A 15 minute fight feels to me like we're only getting the first few chapters.

That's probably an uncohesive mess of thoughts, but I'm too lazy to organize it.

[Luke]

Re: Evans-Rampage UFC 114

+5.5u. Would have been almost 10u if Rampage would have won.

Great job wiseman



glad to hear that

[zY|]

Re: Evans-Rampage UFC 114

+5.5u. Would have been almost 10u if Rampage would have won.

Great job wiseman



glad to hear that

Need to start just tailing the fucking wiseman. Nigga seems to clean up every event.