UFC 116 discussion/matchups

[MMA_scientist]

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Now considering Lytle too.

Never been stopped in 50 fights. Already beat Brown once. Better hands, better ground game. Good takedown defense when he wants to use it (like against Serra- in a fight I scored for Lytle). How is Brown going to beat him? Brown could get knocked out, subbed, or decisioned. Brown needs to top control him or outpoint him on the feet. Neither is likely, IMO. -200 seems sort of good to me now...

[SPX]

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I'm also looking closely at Lytle, but Brown's good performance against DHK is keeping me away for now.

[sbjj]

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I would be careful on Lytle. I was more than willing to bet him if he somehow hit -140...But to me -200 is stretching it. This is the same guy that lost to Davis and barely beat Taylor and Burns. I think Brown holds up well against all of those men. i also believe that his style(take shots to the head every fight) is starting to catch up to him.

I still think he wins this fight, just not sure -200 is a good price.

Also, I think the KO punch on roberts was kind of a lucky shot(hate to say that), and that he looked really good before that shot.

[MMA_scientist]

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^^ that is my main concern with Lytle. He seems to be willing to just stand and trade for the bonus and doesn't seem to care if he wins.

Burns is good though... no shame in a close fight there IMO.

But you have talked me out of it. I have enough on this card. It is finished.

5u on Roberts @ -180
.5 on Branch @ +205
.38 on Tuch @ +262
.83 on Shane @ +120

Kind of wish I could take back the Carwin and Tuch bets, might hedge em out.

[edman5555]

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Tuscherer has a good shot, so does Carwin. Tusch had his first "real" training camp for this fight as far as I can tell. I don't know if you read my other post about him but it says roughly the following. He never had a camp before, camps with brock now, weighs 20 pounds less because he's in shape. Talks about how he gasses last time and how it wont happen this time. Brock calls him the "crowbar" because hes a tough guy..Hes never been knocked out before, all american wrestling D2? I think it was. 18 or so fights.

Schaub isn't some great submissionist so I don't see him submitting Tusch off his back..His only chance is to control the standup/ko Tusch. I think Tusch seems like a tough guy so I'm thinking he won't get knocked out though you never know Schaub is big and strong. We shall see. I think Tusch will take him down and beat on him, prob wear him out. Schaub's cardio was not good either in is TUF fight against Madsen. Both of them were pretty gasses by the 2nd round and Schaub got taken down mutlitple times. Tusch should not be such a dog.

[MMA_scientist]

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^^ I think Tuch has a good chance too. Schaub already got knocked out by a big guy with brawling power, which is what Tuch is. That assumes he can stuff the takedowns, which is quiestionable. I think there is definite value with Tuch... but I still think he is going to gas and get KO'd.

[zY|]

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Comparing Tuscherererererer to Nelson is pretty ridiculous imo.

Tuch is a sad fighter. He could maybe win a lame decision but he's probably getting knocked out.

[MMA_scientist]

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Comparing Tuscherererererer to Nelson is pretty ridiculous imo.

Tuch is a sad fighter. He could maybe win a lame decision but he's probably getting knocked out.

Well, he has several KOs/TKOs on his record prior to his pathetic UFC fights. Schaub is not really any more competent than the 3-3 guys that Tucherer knocked out. But Tuch actually has several quality wins on his record. He knocked out Brandon Lee Hinkle.


Roy only had 1 KO prior to his fight with Schaub.

Plus he was a decision loss away from becoming Yamma champion... so that has ot be worth something

[zY|]

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True, forgot about the Yamma.

[poopoo333]

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I think Brock is going to end up as the dog come fight time

[zY|]

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You guys see this?

Brock is apparently switching to a southpaw stance for this fight. Or just head games, who knows.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/06/30/b ... egy-shift/

Brock Lesnar Relaxed for Comeback Despite Major Strategy Shift

by Mike Chiappetta

LAS VEGAS -- With so much focus on Brock Lesnar's return from illness as the main storyline for UFC 116, it's been easy to miss some of the fight-oriented details of his upcoming title unification bout with interim champion Shane Carwin.

Yet in all the words that have escaped the mouths of those who've spoken about Lesnar in the last few days, few will have as much impact on Saturday night as a quick revelation that some might have missed if they weren't fully attentive to his words. Despite the long layoff, Lesnar is essentially re-inventing himself for the biggest fight of his life, admitting to reporters that he'll be taking the risk of competing in a brand-new stance.

"I brought in Peter Welch, and we changed my stance and switched it from traditional to southpaw," he said. "It's really worked out, helped on wrestling and shooting. We changed a lot of things and we'll see if they work I guess."

The revelation comes as a major surprise given Lesnar's ultra-secret training camp philosophy. Since Lesnar is a natural right-hander, it's unclear exactly how the decision to change was made, but he appears ready to go forward with it. He's been training with Welch for around six months altogether. Many wrestlers change stances to get their more powerful side leading, but that could put them in danger against strikers who defend takedowns well, as your power hand is geared more towards jabs and hooks than straight power punches. Lesnar was an NCAA Division I wrestling champion, while Carwin was an NCAA Dvision II wrestling champ, and most experts believe Carwin to be a more fluid striker, leading to a possible cat-and-mouse on their feet.

He showed very little of his new southpaw stance in his blink-and-you-missed-it open workout, throwing a few jabs and combinations before attending to his media interviews and finally, interacting with fans.

Lesnar appeared happy and at peace before both groups, openly addressing the illness that nearly derailed his fight career for the press and then taking pictures and signing autographs for onlookers attending the session at the MGM Grand Conference Center Marquee Ballroom.

At one point, a child yelled out his name several times as Lesnar posed for photographs.

"I hear you, and I'm coming!" Lesnar yelled back.

"It just feels good to be here," Lesnar said. "I'm just relaxed. God, it feels like an eternity, but I've been through a lot this year. I did [the] Jim Rome [radio show] this morning. I just said, 'I just feel fortunate.' I'm excited for Saturday night. It's been a lot of hard work. To come from Nov. 6, being in the hospital to being here and being healthy and being able to defend the title, it's pretty remarkable."

Already on weight at the heavyweight limit of 265 pounds, Lesnar looked no worse for the wear his body has been through since the diverticulitis scare, appearing as massive as usual.

It's been suggested by some that Carwin, who worked out earlier in the day for the media, has the same physical attributes as Lesnar, but the champ doesn't see it.

"When I look at that guy, that's you guys making comparisons," he said. "I don't see those things, I don't. He hasn't done the things I've done. He's trying to. I just don't see a comparison."

But the always brash-spoken Lesnar didn't say anything specifically critical of Carwin's game.

Caught in the crossfire was their one common opponent, Frank Mir. While Carwin TKO'd Mir inside of the first round last March, Lesnar lost to Mir in 2008 before avenging that with a second-round TKO last July. Asked if Carwin's win impressed him, Lesnar was typically blunt.

"No, not really," he said. "Mir shouldn't have even been fighting him really. You can't unscramble scrambled eggs. I scrambled his eggs six months before that."

But Lesnar also indirectly praised Carwin's power while addressing a question regarding his chin, saying, "It'll only get tested if he hits my chin. We're trying to avoid all those things."

Still, he exhibited his infamous bravado, at one point tearing down a life-size Shane Carwin banner that was standing next to a Lesnar banner, doing so with a mischievous grin on his face.

"I just don't see Shane Carwin as the guy who is going to stop this freight train," he said.

[Luke]

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You guys see this?

Brock is apparently switching to a southpaw stance for this fight. Or just head games, who knows.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/06/30/b ... egy-shift/

If this is true I can 100% see why he's doing it. Carwin leaves himself wide open when he throws his right hand . If Brock circles to the right and throws a left right as Carwin throw his right Carwin will miss and Brock might knock him the fuck out. If its true its a great idea by Lesnar

[MMA_scientist]

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^^ aside from that, it may also mean he wants to go out and shoot. Brock wrestles with his dominant side leading. Either way, I see why he would do it.

[Thewiseman]

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Probably a smart move by Lesnar. Cant wait to see him snoring.

[zY|]

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^^ aside from that, it may also mean he wants to go out and shoot. Brock wrestles with his dominant side leading. Either way, I see why he would do it.

Yep like Matt Hughes tried to do against GSP the third time. The article mentions it's for shooting purposes. I'm still not sure it's a great idea.