UFC 116 discussion/matchups

[Ludo]

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Lets be honest here. Carwin isn't some magic striking guru. His striking is really very poor by all standards. The only thing going for him is his power. He throws the same left jab/ right cross combo almost every time without fail. His footwork is shit, his head movement is shit. If he didn't have the kind of power to derail a train he wouldn't be very successful I don't think.

The same jab/cross combo is shown here, as well as the flat footed "duh" moment from the gonzaga fight.



Fighting Southpaw is likely going to confuse Carwin and set up the shot when Carwin does set down on his feet for that big right. I don't see him being able to stop Lesnars shot if his feet aren't moving.

[zY|]

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True Ludo. But I seriously doubt Brock will be holding him down with one arm either. Carwin will be getting back up. I'm really interested to see who wins a clinch battle between these two apes.

[Luke]

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^^ aside from that, it may also mean he wants to go out and shoot. Brock wrestles with his dominant side leading. Either way, I see why he would do it.

yeah either way I think its a great idea

[Luke]

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Seriously watch this gif over and over. All Lesnar has to do is circle to the right in a southpaw stance away from Carwins right and wait for him to throw a punch.When Carwin finally does load up to throw a punch he leaves himself wide open for a left from Brock

[SPX]

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The thing about Carwin is that, while his standup doesn't APPEAR sophisticated, it doesn't keep him from constantly landing that punch. He does it over and over and over. So all I'll say is that looks can apparently be deceiving.

[Svino]

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The thing about Carwin is that, while his standup doesn't APPEAR sophisticated, it doesn't keep him from constantly landing that punch. He does it over and over and over. So all I'll say is that looks can apparently be deceiving.

Maybe this is a self-serving delusion of mine (since my knowledge of boxing isn't the greatest), but I have believed for a long time that one of the most common mistakes people make in evaluating fighters is putting too much emphasis on the 'technical correctness' of their striking. I can understand that for someone like a boxing trainer (say Freddie Roach), the temptation to point at a fighter and protest, "But he's doing it wrong!" must be immense. Nevertheless, MMA is a rough-and-tumble sport where we see brawlers beat technical punchers all the time.

Anyone who underestimates a guy like Carwin or Fedor because they don't look pretty when they strike does so at their own peril. Not that weakness in form aren't worth watching out for, but I believe in results first.

[Luke]

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The thing about Carwin is that, while his standup doesn't APPEAR sophisticated, it doesn't keep him from constantly landing that punch. He does it over and over and over. So all I'll say is that looks can apparently be deceiving.

I'm just saying what Brock "should" do to win and what I think he'll do, I could be wrong.Carwins boxing isnt that good imo. He lands a big punch yes but that it,technically his stand isnt great ,it has alot of holes.None of that may matter if Carwin connets.I just dont think he will. Personally I think Brock will circle away from his right and go for the takedown

[SPX]

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Maybe this is a self-serving delusion of mine (since my knowledge of boxing isn't the greatest), but I have believed for a long time that one of the most common mistakes people make in evaluating fighters is putting too much emphasis on the 'technical correctness' of their striking. I can understand that for someone like a boxing trainer (say Freddie Roach), the temptation to point at a fighter and protest, "But he's doing it wrong!" must be immense. Nevertheless, MMA is a rough-and-tumble sport where we see brawlers beat technical punchers all the time.

Anyone who underestimates a guy like Carwin or Fedor because they don't look pretty when they strike does so at their own peril. Not that weakness in form aren't worth watching out for, but I believe in results first.

Generally speaking, I do agree.

I've seen plenty of fighters who have "bad footwork," or "bad head movement" be plenty effective in the sport. Ultimately, it's the total package and whether or not you get results. Everyone has their own style and it won't always match up with what some "expert" thinks is the "right" way to do things.

[Luke]

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^^^ remember though this is for the title not two guys making their UFC debuts. At the top level bad footwork and bad tech does matter imo

[SPX]

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^^^ remember though this is for the title not two guys making their UFC debuts. At the top level bad footwork and bad tech does matter imo

I'm thinking of guys like Gil Melendez, who has a very wide and somewhat flat footed stance, who continues to destroy people. And he's a champ.

[Luke]

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^^^ remember though this is for the title not two guys making their UFC debuts. At the top level bad footwork and bad tech does matter imo

I'm thinking of guys like Gil Melendez, who has a very wide and somewhat flat footed stance, who continues to destroy people. And he's a champ.

Well yeah in Strikeforce but he couldnt do that and be champ in the UFC.Just like King Mo is champ in SF but with his bad tech he wouldnt be in the UFC

[SPX]

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Well yeah in Strikeforce but he couldnt do that and be champ in the UFC.Just like King Mo is champ in SF but with his bad tech he wouldnt be in the UFC

Well shit, look at BJ. I don't think BJ is the paradigm of "good footwork" but he is the LW GOAT. Besides, I'd love to see Gil vs BJ or Edgar. Both are very interesting fights.

[Luke]

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Well its not like Lesnar is a great striker either

[SPX]

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Well its not like Lesnar is a great striker either

Yeah, exactly.

Though he's not shitty either. He's shown some decent striking, making Herring do a backflip and putting Couture on the shaky legs with that elbow.

[poopoo333]

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You know, Carwin should be aware of his technical problems, and he has had along time to fix them.