WEC 48

[Ludo]

Re: WEC 48

H. Strikes thrown from the top position of the guard, are generally heavier and more effective than those thrown from the back.
1. Thus a Judge shall recognize that effective strikes thrown from the top guard position are of "higher quality", than thrown from the bottom.
2. The Judge shall recognize that this is not always the case.
However, the vast majority of fighters prefer the top guard position to strike from. This is a strong indication of positional dominance for striking

It's great that the judges shall recognize it's not always the case that strikes from the top are more meaningful, but dominant striking would be dictated by the guy who's controlling where the other guy can and cannot go. IE if Mousasi can't get off the mat because Mo is holding him down while striking, albeit striking less, it's still dominant striking since the shots are heavier(leverage and gravity) and more dominant.

Did he cut him like Marquardt cut Sonnen? No. Did he do any damage but make his eye swell? No. Did he bust his nose, cause a lump on his head, bust his lip, or even rock him? No. So what did his strikes from the bottom count for?

[Luke]

Re: WEC 48

Also, funny that you're bragging about giving Mousasi the 2nd round vs Mo. Anyone with fucking eyes could see he won that round. Mo was on top but not doing a fucking thing but getting punched in the face. There was no effective grappling to be seen.

Ludo said I was nuts for giving round 2 to Mousasi.Ludo's words:

your high, Luke. Mo has won all three rounds so far. Mousasi had only one dominant position the entire time here and that was the last 20 seconds of round 2.

Strikes from the bottom count for shit.

If GSP wins fights by multiple takedowns each round without doing any damage, then Mo is winning every round of this fight so far.

I rarely ever give a round to the bottom buy but the top guy has to do more than lay on the bottom guy like a couch

[Luke]

Re: WEC 48

H. Strikes thrown from the top position of the guard, are generally heavier and more effective than those thrown from the back.
1. Thus a Judge shall recognize that effective strikes thrown from the top guard position are of "higher quality", than thrown from the bottom.
2. The Judge shall recognize that this is not always the case.
However, the vast majority of fighters prefer the top guard position to strike from. This is a strong indication of positional dominance for striking

It's great that the judges shall recognize it's not always the case that strikes from the top are more meaningful, but dominant striking would be dictated by the guy who's controlling where the other guy can and cannot go. IE if Mousasi can't get off the mat because Mo is holding him down while striking, albeit striking less, it's still dominant striking since the shots are heavier(leverage and gravity) and more dominant.

Did he cut him like Marquardt cut Sonnen? No. Did he do any damage but make his eye swell? No. Did he bust his nose, cause a lump on his head, bust his lip, or even rock him? No. So what did his strikes from the bottom count for?

Me thinks Ludo scores rounds the worst of anyone here,twice as bad if he bet that fighter

[Luke]

Re: WEC 48

First off, did you get that shit from a boxing site or an MMA site? Because it's two different sports.

Second, as I said before, the very fact that judges score fights so differently sometimes makes it clear that there is a lot of room for interpretation. You can either choose to acknowledge that or you can be obstinate.

Why did you think that was from two different sports?

[zY|]

Re: WEC 48

Also, funny that you're bragging about giving Mousasi the 2nd round vs Mo. Anyone with fucking eyes could see he won that round. Mo was on top but not doing a fucking thing but getting punched in the face. There was no effective grappling to be seen.

Ludo said I was nuts for giving round 2 to Mousasi.Ludo's words:

your high, Luke. Mo has won all three rounds so far. Mousasi had only one dominant position the entire time here and that was the last 20 seconds of round 2.

[quote:idnd5nfu]Strikes from the bottom count for shit.

If GSP wins fights by multiple takedowns each round without doing any damage, then Mo is winning every round of this fight so far.

I rarely ever give a round to the bottom buy but the top guy has to do more than lay on the bottom guy like a couch[/quote:idnd5nfu]

Well that's Ludo, who is wrong in that instance. Also note my post somewhere in there laughing at him comparing what GSP does to what Mo was doing.

You still haven't acknowledged your wrongness about striking being weighted more than grappling. I guess this is the part where one guy realizes he's wrong mid-argument but doesn't want to admit it so he keeps going, looking for a way out.

It's ok to admit that I know how to score and you don't. I won't berate you too much.

[poopoo333]

Re: WEC 48

First off, did you get that shit from a boxing site or an MMA site? Because it's two different sports.

Second, as I said before, the very fact that judges score fights so differently sometimes makes it clear that there is a lot of room for interpretation. You can either choose to acknowledge that or you can be obstinate.

Why did you think that was from two different sports?

Lol, I was thinking the same thing. He must have missed "effective grappling".

[SPX]

Re: WEC 48

Why did you think that was from two different sports?

You said, "I judge by the rule book just as I do in boxing." So it sounded like you were applying boxing striking rules to MMA.

I admitted that I didn't really read the shit . . . just scanned it.

[Ludo]

Re: WEC 48

Yes, he did win those rounds because he was hitting takedowns, and controlling Mousasi. Mousasi landing more strikes from his back somehow negates octagon control, effective grappling, and aggressiveness(takedowns)? I'm sorry but to even have a chance at that he would have had to rock Mo and put Mo in some serious trouble with those strikes. He didn't though.

[zY|]

Re: WEC 48

Yes, he did win those rounds because he was hitting takedowns, and controlling Mousasi. Mousasi landing more strikes from his back somehow negates octagon control, effective grappling, and aggressiveness(takedowns)? I'm sorry but to even have a chance at that he would have had to rock Mo and put Mo in some serious trouble with those strikes. He didn't though.

Leave it alone. Everyone and their mom scored that round for Mousasi. It was plain as day. Mo's goddamn eye closed from that assbeating he took in Round 2.

[Luke]

Re: WEC 48

As SPX alluded to, there is no scientific way to measure this even with strict criteria. Yeah Henderson landed more strikes in Round 1, but I thought the incredibly deep, near fight ending submission attempts FAR outweighed the effectiveness of the strikes landed. And being as the fight is on the ground, it's a judgment call as to which is more effective. I'm well within the right to give it to Cerrone based on effective grappling.

For the other criteria, it's not so cut and dry either. Octagon control could go either way. It was about even. Cerrone controlled the first half, Henderson the latter half. Effective agression? Cerrone stalks people and never stops.

As for you being a bad person, well that's just the honest truth.

I can say grappling Cerrone ,Strikes Henderson ,tie ring control(even though I'd give it to Henderson)

.But in round 1 Cerrone wasnt walking down Henderon,Henderson was the aggressor.In the later rounds Cerrone was


I said this round was close but gave it to Henderson,you said "you're not only wrong but a bad person".Had you said it was a close round but you gave it to Cerrone none of this arguing would have ever happened

[zY|]

Re: WEC 48

I was just being glib as usual, and for some reason you took personal offense this time and starting throwing insults around. That's the only reason I'm being a dick right now.

[Luke]

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Why did you think that was from two different sports?

You said, "I judge by the rule book just as I do in boxing." So it sounded like you were applying boxing striking rules to MMA.

I admitted that I didn't really read the shit . . . just scanned it.

ok you just had me completely confused there

[Ludo]

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Yes, he did win those rounds because he was hitting takedowns, and controlling Mousasi. Mousasi landing more strikes from his back somehow negates octagon control, effective grappling, and aggressiveness(takedowns)? I'm sorry but to even have a chance at that he would have had to rock Mo and put Mo in some serious trouble with those strikes. He didn't though.

Leave it alone. Everyone and their mom scored that round for Mousasi. It was plain as day. Mo's goddamn eye closed from that assbeating he took in Round 2.

Maybe everyone and your mom did.

[Luke]

Re: WEC 48

I was just being glib as usual, and for some reason you took personal offense this time and starting throwing insults around. That's the only reason I'm being a dick right now.

I thought you were being serious is the only reason I took offense.I really try to score rounds correctly and not by a fans point of view.

Maybe I need some sleep

[Luke]

Re: WEC 48

Yes, he did win those rounds because he was hitting takedowns, and controlling Mousasi. Mousasi landing more strikes from his back somehow negates octagon control, effective grappling, and aggressiveness(takedowns)? I'm sorry but to even have a chance at that he would have had to rock Mo and put Mo in some serious trouble with those strikes. He didn't though.

My head hurts