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  • SPX
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 23875

    #16
    Re: Barnett-‘Mondragon’ Australia is a Impact promotion not SF

    Originally posted by BillyPilgrim
    at least. Shamrock never was that good of a fighter. I always liked him, but he never did win any big fights.
    Well BillyPilgrim. . .

    What about Bas, Maurice Smith, Kimo, and drawing Royce (a fight that pretty much everyone says he would've won had there been judging at the time)?
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    • BillyPilgrim
      Senior Member
      • May 2010
      • 135

      #17
      Re: Barnett-‘Mondragon’ Australia is a Impact promotion not SF

      Originally posted by SPX
      Originally posted by BillyPilgrim
      at least. Shamrock never was that good of a fighter. I always liked him, but he never did win any big fights.
      Well BillyPilgrim. . .

      What about Bas, Maurice Smith, Kimo, and drawing Royce (a fight that pretty much everyone says he would've won had there been judging at the time)?
      I am pretty sure the Bas fight was fixed. Shamrock has never before hit a move that even resembled the smoothness of that kneebar, and he hasn't since. But even if it wasn't Bas didn't know shit about grappling when they fought.

      Kimo? That's not impressive. I am pretty sure I could beat Kimo.

      Drawing Royce, a man half his size (while juiced silly) does not impress me.

      I forgot about the Maurice Smith win, that is a quality win.

      Oh he also beat Severn, which is quality.

      But he still isn't very good.

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      • BillyPilgrim
        Senior Member
        • May 2010
        • 135

        #18
        Re: Barnett-‘Mondragon’ Australia is a Impact promotion not SF

        Originally posted by SPX
        Well BillyPilgrim. . .
        Don't get smart. That's my mother-flippin name now. My eyes have been opened. It's like when Cassius Clay became Muhammed Ali. Deal with it.

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        • SPX
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2009
          • 23875

          #19
          Re: Barnett-‘Mondragon’ Australia is a Impact promotion not SF

          Originally posted by BillyPilgrim
          I am pretty sure the Bas fight was fixed. Shamrock has never before hit a move that even resembled the smoothness of that kneebar, and he hasn't since. But even if it wasn't Bas didn't know shit about grappling when they fought.
          But he beat him twice. . .

          Originally posted by BillyPilgrim
          Kimo? That's not impressive. I am pretty sure I could beat Kimo.
          You have to understand these fights in context. Kimo was a quality win for the time. Kimo put a severe ass beating on Royce back in the day and he may very well have won that fight under todays system of rounds and judges. (Not weight classes obviously.)

          Plus he has wins over a lot of guys who were considered high-level fighters back in that mid to late 90s MMA scene.
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          • BillyPilgrim
            Senior Member
            • May 2010
            • 135

            #20
            Re: Barnett-‘Mondragon’ Australia is a Impact promotion not SF

            Originally posted by SPX
            Originally posted by BillyPilgrim
            I am pretty sure the Bas fight was fixed. Shamrock has never before hit a move that even resembled the smoothness of that kneebar, and he hasn't since. But even if it wasn't Bas didn't know shit about grappling when they fought.
            But he beat him twice. . .

            Originally posted by BillyPilgrim
            Kimo? That's not impressive. I am pretty sure I could beat Kimo.
            You have to understand these fights in context. Kimo was a quality win for the time. Kimo put a severe ass beating on Royce back in the day and he may very well have won that fight under todays system of rounds and judges. (Not weight classes obviously.)

            Plus he has wins over a lot of guys who were considered high-level fighters back in that mid to late 90s MMA scene.
            Well they don't let lightweights fight heavyweights in today's system. Royce was 170 soaking wet. Plus he got subbed in about 5 minutes, so it wouldnt have changed anything. Of course, they don't let you pull the hair anymore either. Sadly.

            fine. Ken was great. But he would still get his assed whipped by Rizzo.

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            • Luke
              10 year vet
              • Oct 2006
              • 30060

              #21
              Re: Barnett-‘Mondragon’ Australia is a Impact promotion not SF

              Originally posted by BillyPilgrim
              Originally posted by Svino
              Rizzo -500?
              at least. Shamrock never was that good of a fighter. I always liked him, but he never did win any big fights.

              Agree with SPX here .Shamrock was the second best MMA fighter in the world when UFC started and could have beat Royce in alot of peoples eyes.
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              • MMA_scientist
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2009
                • 9857

                #22
                Re: Barnett-‘Mondragon’ Australia is a Impact promotion not SF

                well, Royce was only about the 10th best fighter in his own family...
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                • Svino
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2010
                  • 3873

                  #23
                  Re: Barnett-‘Mondragon’ Australia is a Impact promotion not SF

                  Whenever people talk about the most important fights in MMA history, I think one of the most neglected matches is the first Gracie / Shamrock fight.

                  It was essentially the first UFC fight between "reasonably competitive" fighters. As it happened, Gracie won relatively quickly, but Ken were just a little better prepared, you could imagine the fight going the other way - or lasting much much longer. And what would have happened to the UFC if it did, with Royce's legacy ending before it started? Would the Gracie family have pulled out of the organization earlier? Would they have tried harder to bring over Rickson? That fight did a lot to decide the path of MMA.

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                  • Luke
                    10 year vet
                    • Oct 2006
                    • 30060

                    #24
                    Re: Barnett-‘Mondragon’ Australia is a Impact promotion not SF

                    Originally posted by Svino
                    Whenever people talk about the most important fights in MMA history, I think one of the most neglected matches is the first Gracie / Shamrock fight.

                    It was essentially the first UFC fight between "reasonably competitive" fighters. As it happened, Gracie won relatively quickly, but Ken were just a little better prepared, you could imagine the fight going the other way - or lasting much much longer. And what would have happened to the UFC if it did, with Royce's legacy ending before it started? Would the Gracie family have pulled out of the organization earlier? Would they have tried harder to bring over Rickson? That fight did a lot to decide the path of MMA.

                    I agree had Shamrock won would everyone be training in Shootfighting today instead of BJJ ?
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                    • Mr. IWS
                      215 Hustler
                      • Sep 2006
                      • 98707

                      #25
                      Re: Barnett-‘Mondragon’ Australia is a Impact promotion not SF

                      looks like Daley and Karo are being added to this card.
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                      • MMA_scientist
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2009
                        • 9857

                        #26
                        Re: Barnett-‘Mondragon’ Australia is a Impact promotion not SF

                        Originally posted by IWS Zak
                        looks like Daley and Karo are being added to this card.
                        Karo!

                        I love Karo. Can't wait to see him back in action.
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                        • SPX
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 23875

                          #27
                          Re: Barnett-‘Mondragon’ Australia is a Impact promotion not SF

                          Originally posted by IWS Zak
                          looks like Daley and Karo are being added to this card.
                          Damn, holy shit.

                          That's, uh, interesting for sure. . .
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                          • Mr. IWS
                            215 Hustler
                            • Sep 2006
                            • 98707

                            #28
                            Re: Barnett-‘Mondragon’ Australia is a Impact promotion not SF

                            Sauce for Daley

                            Paul Daley has been officially let go from his UFC contract for his sucker punch of Josh Koscheck following their UFC 113 clash Saturday night in Montreal, but the British fighter won't be unemployed long. CagePotato.com has learned that he will be fighting on the July 3 Impact Fighting Championships show at Trusts Stadium in Auckland, New Zealand.

                            Daley's management confirmed the news originally reported today by MMA Weekly that "Semtex" received his pink slip this morning and clarified that he will be fighting for the IFC at the upstart promotion's July 3 event.

                            In signing with the promotion, Daley will join fellow disgraced UFC castaways Josh Barnett (who will face Geronimo "Mondragon" Dos Santos) and Ken Shamrock (who will lock horns with Mark Coleman) on the IFC roster. Both Barnett and Shamrock will compete on the promotion's scheduled July 10 show in Brisbane, Australia.

                            Besides the July 3 and 10 shows, the IFC is also planning a third event that month on July 18 in Sydney. No participants have been announced for the card as of yet.

                            An opponent for Daley has yet-to-be decided, and it is unknown if the Auckland commission will observe any possible sanctions handed down to Daley by the Régie des Alcools des Courses et des Jeux (RACJ) in the wake of the incident at UFC 113.
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                            • Mr. IWS
                              215 Hustler
                              • Sep 2006
                              • 98707

                              #29
                              Re: Barnett-‘Mondragon’ Australia is a Impact promotion not SF

                              Sauce for Karo

                              Karo Parisyan is moving on with his fight career and will appear at Impact FC in Australia on July 10.

                              Parisyan today told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) that he has agreed to fight Brazilian Luis Dutra Jr. on the card Down Under. MMAjunkie.com reported earlier today that the former UFC welterweight's potential Strikeforce contract fell through.

                              "I [haven't] fought for a year-and-a-half, (so) it's exciting," Parisyan said. "Time to get on top again."

                              The Armenian-American fighter declined to comment on his Strikeforce negotiations other than to say the potential deal was a six-fight contract.

                              However, "The Heat" did say he is waiting on "other stuff" which could keep him active beyond his summer fight.

                              In his most recent appearance, Parisyan defeated Dong Hyun Kim by split decision at UFC 94 in January 2009. The win was later changed to a no-contest when a post-fight drug test revealed the presence of prescription painkillers. He was subsequently fined by the Nevada State Athletic Commission and ordered to pay a fine of $32,000.

                              The 27-year-old judoka was released by the UFC after he withdrew from a scheduled fight with Dustin Hazelett at UFC 106 this past November in Las Vegas. UFC president Dana White said the fighter would never fight in the promotion again.

                              In the months before his UFC 106 bout, Parisyan cut a deal with Nevada State Athletic Commission Executive Director Keith Kizer to use his UFC bout purses to pay off the fine in installments.

                              It is unlikely the athletic commission which oversees July 10's event will withhold money from Parisyan's purse to pay the NSAC fine. Kizer today told MMAjunkie.com he is unlikely to pursue the debt unless the fighter competes in the U.S.

                              "We would appreciate it if he paid some of his fine, ... but I'm not holding my breath," Kizer said.

                              Parisyan (18-5) has a well-documented history with prescription drugs, and has admitted to using painkillers to treat a serious injury to his hamstring which he sustained in preparation for a welterweight title bout with Matt Hughes at UFC 56. Parisyan was forced to withdraw from that November 2005 fight, as well.
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                              • Luke
                                10 year vet
                                • Oct 2006
                                • 30060

                                #30
                                Re: Barnett-‘Mondragon’ Australia is a Impact promotion not

                                Impact just announced it will be Paul Daley-Daniel Acacio
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