Australia Impact promotion

[Luke]

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Oh man, Shamrock saying "as long as people keep paying to see me I'll keep gettin beat up" made me a sad panda.

Why does Shamrock suck so badly now? You can't say he was never good. You can maybe say he was never great, but there was an era when he was certainly among the best. He's old now, but it seems he could at least still hang with other old guys.

I want Shamrock/Royce III. Seriously.

Ken lost his edge when he went to the WWE .He didnt train or fight for 4 years. When he came back he wasnt the same fighter and instead of growing as a fighter like other people did in those 4 years he was way behind in skills by then

[Luke]

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It's sad that Ken is a 46 year old pioneer of the sport who should be comfortably retired but is instead broke and in huge debt and has to continue getting his ass beat for meager paydays.

My questions is why is he broke? Why doesnt someone like him have 10 gyms to train people that he's making a ton off of?

[Luke]

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He's old now, but it seems he could at least still hang with other old guys.

Good old SPX thinks everyone still has it in them to keep fighting .

[zY|]

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It's sad that Ken is a 46 year old pioneer of the sport who should be comfortably retired but is instead broke and in huge debt and has to continue getting his ass beat for meager paydays.

My questions is why is he broke? Why doesnt someone like him have 10 gyms to train people that he's making a ton off of?

Because he makes bad decisions and burns bridges.

[Luke]

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Because he makes bad decisions and burns bridges.

ok then .If he's stupid I dont feel sorry for him

[Mr. IWS]

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That idiot sued the UFC, lost, and now has to pay all the legal fees. Shit like that, like zY said, is why he is broke. Frank probably was laughing his ass off watching those leg kicks get buried into his thighs.

[SPX]

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Good old SPX thinks everyone still has it in them to keep fighting .

It's true. I'm a persistent believer.

But if someone gives me good reasons, I'll listen. But "he's old" doesn't work, when I specifically said that he should be able to hang with other old guys, i.e. guys who have had to deal with the same general decline in skills and abilities.

[MMA_scientist]

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I think Royce would beat Ken at this point. Hell it was close back when Ken was a roided up 220#. Royce has not battered his body in the same way and he just beat Sakuraba (though Royce was roided up for that one) a few years ago.

Ken is not competive with any top 100 fighter. Other old guys at his weight like Coleman and Couture would murder him. Ken was never that good IMO, and what he did have was based on a lot of physical attributes. As evidenced by his coaching stint on TUF, he really doesn't know how to train properly either. Now that his strength has faded, he is just some guy that doesn't know how to train and lacks the speed or power to do anything.

On some level, I feel bad for him, but at the same time, he has tried to exploit his status as a pioneer a lot... I remember a few years ago he did this whole Jesus wants me to win thing too. Personally I feel like he manipulates the Jesus crowd with his minor celebrity status for money. It only comes up when he is on hard times. You didn't hear a lot of Jesus talk when he was getting his payday on TUF (although his 1st Jesus run was prior to TUF IIRC).

This may be the asshole in me talking, but I would actually like to see him take a few more beatings for all the stupid crap he says. Like mentioned, the guy has burned bridges everywhere. Even with Frank. At some point, its you.

[Ludo]

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To say he was never that good is pretty far off base. There wasn't a single person on the planet in 1995-1996 who you could without any bias say for a fact "he would beat Ken no problem". Yet he battered the fuck out of guys in the early days. Dude beat the fuck out of Royce for 36 minutes after he went and learned a ground game in Pancrase, Choked out Dan Severn in under 3 minutes, broke both Don Frye's ankles and fucked up one of his knee's, and beat Masakatsu Funaki twice. Those are just off the top of My head.

[SPX]

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^^^ Yeah, in the early days of MMA Ken was a top fighter. That's just the way it is. He may not have been best, but he was among the best.

I think that if Ken had called it quits before he went to the WWE and had never come back to MMA then no one would really question his legacy.

[Ludo]

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In his heyday he could give anyone on the planet a good fight and on his best day he could have beaten any of them.

[SPX]

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In his heyday he could give anyone on the planet a good fight and on his best day he could have beaten any of them.

He beat Bas x 2, gotta remember that as well.

[MMA_scientist]

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Wer have had this discussion before. He had some nice wins early in his career, but I just don't think he was a very good fighter.

Royce was a WW. Ken was a HW. He lost that fight you are talking about to Frye. Severn also beat Ken in the rematch, and I think Ken fluked out in that fight anyway.

He beat a lot of guys in Pancrase, which is not really mma. Actually, Pancrase is like real (alledgedly) WWE. You are not allowed to hit guys in the face with a closed fist. If you put them in a submission, you can crawl to the ropes and the ref will break it. There is a standing 10 count for knock downs. It really should not be counted as MMA wins. In fact, Pancrase 1 was called "yes we are hybrid wrestlers" but it was alot of guys with not grappling like Maurice Smith and Bad Rutten. His first real MMA fight was against Royce. He did not do so hot in real MMA.

[Ludo]

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Dan didn't beat shit in the rematch. They weren't allowed to shoot or throw closed hand strikes. Severn won that decision because it was held in Detroit.

[MMA_scientist]

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Dan didn't beat shit in the rematch. They weren't allowed to shoot or throw closed hand strikes. Severn won that decision because it was held in Detroit.

Yet you count those wins for Shamrock in Pancrase... which is even more watered down. Besides, Shammy was throwing punches sporadically through that fight.

I like how you completely ignored the majority of the post because it presents actual facts that don't work with your theory.

If we are talking conspiracy theories, it is well known that many Pancrase fights were fixed.