Australia Impact promotion

[Luke]

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To say he was never that good is pretty far off base. There wasn't a single person on the planet in 1995-1996 who you could without any bias say for a fact "he would beat Ken no problem". Yet he battered the fuck out of guys in the early days. Dude beat the fuck out of Royce for 36 minutes after he went and learned a ground game in Pancrase, Choked out Dan Severn in under 3 minutes, broke both Don Frye's ankles and fucked up one of his knee's, and beat Masakatsu Funaki twice. Those are just off the top of My head.

Ken hasnt won a single fight since 1995 that has mattered so 1995-1996 is wrong ,I think your thinking 1994-1995 .Of course thats wrong too .He didnt beat Funaki twice he lost once ,one once. He didnt beat Don Fyre and he lost to Minori Suzuki ( who??) twice in his "prime"

Ken was never that good . His whole claim to fame was getting a draw against Royce who he out weighed by 50 pounds .Thats like putting Cain and Rashad in the octagon together .


Sure Ken was there from the begining but he was never that good .Now Frank, thats a different story and a Shamrock that was good at one time

[MMA_scientist]

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PANCRASE IS NOT MMA.

[SPX]

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PANCRASE IS NOT MMA.

It's similar enough that you have to consider Pancrase bouts when discussing a fighter's skill.

[Ludo]

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I never said Pancrase didn't have it's share of the theatrical. But thats japan for you. There isn't a single japanese fight promotion to date that doesn't have a heavy interest in theatrics. Pride had it, Dream has it, K-1 has/had it, and the next Japanese promotion to make it the lime light will have it. But between those rope breaks and non closed hand punches was real grappling skill, that much cannot be denied.I don't think you can totally discredit Pancrase for a fighter because behind the rope breaks and posturing it is true to form in the regard that many fighters have gone there to learn a ground game and come out better for it. Also, How can you disregard Pancrase when so many names that have gone on to do a great many things in MMA have come along through Pancrase before hand? Guys like Ken Shamrock, Frank Shamrock, Kazou Misaki, Akihiri Gono, Nate Marquardt, Vernon White, Jake Shields, Semmy Schilt, Ron Waterman, Pete Williams, Guy Mezger, etc etc etc. How is it Ken went there after getting choked out by Royce in under two minutes and then survived thirty six minutes against him less than a year and a half later if Pancrase is totally fake? How do these accomplished grapplers like Shields, Mezger, Ken, Frank, and Marquardt all become products of the same place while that place is/was/always will be a complete joke? Don't hate.

He fought Funaki three times, Luke, and won two of those. I never said he beat Frye, I said he broke his ankles, and he dealt more damage to Frye than anyone had since Mark Coleman. Winning fights at the current time isn't the measuring stick of caliber in a fighter since it's all based on current time. In 1995 and 1996 you couldn't with a straight face say "so and so would beat Ken Shamrocks ass". Upon coming back from the WWE he was a shell of his former self. Same goes for Tito. Until he lost to Randy and Chuck he was a world beater in the 205lb division. Back when he was beating Wanderlei, Vitor, Matsushenko, etc etc etc.

[Svino]

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Ken hasnt won a single fight since 1995 that has mattered so 1995-1996 is wrong ,I think your thinking 1994-1995 .

Well, to be fair, Kimo (who he beat in 1996) was actually well-regarded at the time.

[Luke]

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Well, to be fair, Kimo (who he beat in 1996) was actually well-regarded at the time.

Kimo lolz

I said a good fighter

[SPX]

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Kimo lolz

I said a good fighter

Kimo was considered good at the time. That's his point.

If you haven't noticed, none of the guys from that era can hang with today's fighters.

[zY|]

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Ken beat Kimo again in 2006.

[Luke]

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If you haven't noticed, none of the guys from that era can hang with today's fighters.

You're wrong

Couture,Silva ,Belfort can all "still hang"

Shamrock wouldnt have beaten any of the above three in 1997 , 2007 or now .

He would have also never beat Ortiz(already proved that), Sakuraba,or Coleman imo.

Its amazing how he never fought any or these guys except Ortiz and got his ass beat 3 times by him .


Being considered good "back then" doesnt mean you really were .I mean come on "back then" Maurice Smith was UFC champ with a 5-7 record

I mean who did Kimo beat ?

Tank Abott lol that about it

[Luke]

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Ken beat Kimo again in 2006.

lol @ you guys for thinking Kimo was good

[zY|]

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^^Ken was knocked out by Sakuraba too.

[zY|]

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Ken beat Kimo again in 2006.

lol @ you guys for thinking Kimo was good

You kiddin me? Dude made Royce drop out of the tournament. He's also dead. Show some respect homie.

[Luke]

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^^Ken was knocked out by Sakuraba too.

Damn never realized that. Nice catch


I guess it proves my point though

[Luke]

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You kiddin me? Dude made Royce drop out of the tournament. He's also dead. Show some respect homie.

Dead ? Are you freaking retarded ?


Bob Sapp beat Kimo too is he an all time great too ?

[Luke]

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And Royce was gassed from fighting Kimo because the guy outweighed him by a half ton


Give me someone Kimo beat to make him a legit fighter? Just saying he was good doesnt mean anything