Boxing play

[Mr. IWS]

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I know what Luke is saying. I throw out the "Bum" or "Can" label all the time.

[Luke]

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I know what Luke is saying. I throw out the "Bum" or "Can" label all the time.

[zY|]

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LOL why do guys even care what I call fighters? Are you on their payroll?

I just think it's retarded. I also think that considering you used to fight yourself that it's a little odd for you to speak so disparagingly of another fighter's skills. I mean, if RJJ--or Brandon Vera, for that matter--are bums, then what about the guys who are fighting in your local MMA org? Super bums?

Personally, I just think that fighters who are willing to go into the cage or the ring deserve respect. If you have to call someone a "bum" or a "can" then at least reserve it for those who truly are, like maybe Blake Bowman or Andy Wang.

Oh cmon. Half of the HW top10 is strikeforce fighters and you think they're all bums.

[Luke]

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. I mean, if RJJ--or Brandon Vera, for that matter--are bums, then what about the guys who are fighting in your local MMA org? Super bums?

Personally, I just think that fighters who are willing to go into the cage or the ring deserve respect. If you have to call someone a "bum" or a "can" then at least reserve it for those who truly are, like maybe Blake Bowman or Andy Wang.

I dont consider local fighters or guys of small org bums because they are fighting to the best of their abilities .I usually use the term bum for people way past their primes that are still fighting or fighter not fighting up to their talent level.I mean jesus look at Vera ,the guy has all the talent in the world but is completely wasting it by being a pussy and a tard.To me thats a bum not the local guy who busts his ass and does the best he can with what he has

[SPX]

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I know what Luke is saying. I throw out the "Bum" or "Can" label all the time.

I almost never use either term, and if I do then you know that I'm REALLY making a statement about how I feel about a fighter's abilities.

In my book, you have:

Top Guys/The Elite (Penn, GSP, Silva, Fedor)
High-Level Guys (Melendez, Edgar, Fitch, Alves, Marquardt, Mir)
Mid-Level Guys (Matt Hamill, Ross Pearson, Alan Belcher, Amir Sadollah)
Solid Fighters (guys like Shannon Gugerty who come into the UFC, maybe get a win or maybe not, but get cut after a few fights)
Bums/Cans (Blake Bowman, Andy Wang, that dude that Herschel Walker fought)

If I call a guy a bum or a can, then he just needs to find another profession.

[SPX]

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Oh cmon. Half of the HW top10 is strikeforce fighters and you think they're all bums.

Apparently you've never really listened to what I've actually said about the Strikeforce HWs. I've said they are all good fighters. Even Werdum. Just not at the top of the food chain and not a threat to the top guys in the UFC's HW division.

And the reason I say that is because it's true.

[zY|]

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Oh cmon. Half of the HW top10 is strikeforce fighters and you think they're all bums.

Apparently you've never really listened to what I've actually said about the Strikeforce HWs. I've said they are all good fighters. Even Werdum. Just not at the top of the food chain and not a threat to the top guys in the UFC's HW division.

And the reason I say that is because it's true.

True. The UFC HWs are better because they've proven it against...each other?

Oh and Dana said so.

[Mr. IWS]

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I feel you X, but when Im in a conversation, Mid-level and down Ill call them guys cans. I know their really not, but when using the term, its usually in comparison to the high level and top guys.

Like for example, If Silva fights Belcher, when going through Silva's recent opponents, I would think a lot of people would say; "Silva has fought Hendo, Nate, Maia, and then a couple cans like Belcher, Leben etc.

And on a side note, How the fuck did Ross Pearson jump into your mind.?

[SPX]

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True. The UFC HWs are better because they've proven it against...each other?

Oh and Dana said so.

Fedor is a given. Overeem could maybe do some serious damage.

But if you really think that Werdum, Bigfoot, AA, or Rogers would be a threat to the UFC HW titleholder then I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[SPX]

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Like for example, If Silva fights Belcher, when going through Silva's recent opponents, I would think a lot of people would say; "Silva has fought Hendo, Nate, Maia, and then a couple cans like Belcher, Leben etc.

I'm really curious to see where Belcher's going to go from here. I think he's kind of a wildcard, because if you give him better fighters, he may just continue to beat people. There's no way to know without him being tested. (After all, some believe that he beat Akiyama.)

And on a side note, How the fuck did Ross Pearson jump into your mind.?

LOL

I was actually trying to think of Aaron Riley, who I consider to be a good, dependendable, mid-level guy at LW. And then I remembered that Pearson beat him. So Pearson took his spot on my mid-level list.

[Mr. IWS]

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^^^^^^^^I think he beat Sexy too.

But he will get those Muy Tai shorts beat the fuck off him, if he comes within the same zip code as Silva.

[SPX]

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But he will get those Muy Tai shorts beat the fuck off him, if he comes within the same zip code as Silva.

Yeah, but you drew a line between him and guys like Nate and Maia. Personally, I would like to see him fight either guy. I think it would be competitive either way and both matchups would be very interesting.

[Mr. IWS]

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I like Belchers style, he attacks. Not good against Silva. That looks like a matrix style beat down waiting to happen. Im sure Dana would like to make that fight though, just to have Silva KO someone.

[SPX]

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I mean jesus look at Vera ,the guy has all the talent in the world but is completely wasting it by being a pussy and a tard.To me thats a bum not the local guy who busts his ass and does the best he can with what he has

Honestly, I think that Vera's abilities have been overestimated ever since he knocked out Mir.

I think he's a solid and respectable fighter, hovering somewhere between mid and high-level. I don't hate because I think he's doing the best he can.

[SPX]

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I like Belchers style, he attacks. Not good against Silva.

So what exactly IS a good style against Silva? Not attacking doesn't work. Attacking doesn't work.

I imagine beating Silva will take someone who attacks, but attacks BETTER than the man himself. Or perhaps a counter-puncher like Machida, but the problem there is that Silva won't attack unless you come at him first.