Bellator 22

[edman5555]

I'm thinking Ben Askren. I just put down 4u or so on him at +115. I think these odds are good for him. Hornbuckle probably won't submit him. He isn't the same calibre of athlete. I remember hearing somewhere that Hornbuckle never really tries to stop the takedown(likes fighting off back). I don't know if thats true but his body is skinny as hell so he's prob going to get taken down anyway. Askren can hold him down

I'm watching hornbuckle-pyle now and hornbuckle is obv tough as hell..I doubt askren can ko him.

Horn could ko askren, either can submit the other one..

I'm leaning toward Askren in the grappling credentials. They are both purple belts in BJJ, just askren is also an olympic wrestler.

Probably a top control dec for askren or a submission win for askren. Only way for Hornbuckle to win is to either Ko him or beat him on the feat in ALL three rounds.

[edman5555]

Re: Bellator 22

Askren submitted Toni Linden in ADCC comp.

http://adccbarcelona.com/2009/07/12/toni-linden/

Just read Askren has 4th most pins in NCAA history. Looks like he is good at putting people on their backs.

[zY|]

Re: Bellator 22

I have to favor Hornbuckle, based entirely on Askren's slopfest with Thomas. I see him either getting caught with a sub eventually or he will be able to ride out a decision on top. No bet.

gl

[edman5555]

Re: Bellator 22

Askren holds an ADCC win against the Europe ADCC champ. That sounds good to me.

[zY|]

Re: Bellator 22

MMA ain't ADCC.

[MMA_scientist]

Re: Bellator 22

Askren holds an ADCC win against the Europe ADCC champ. That sounds good to me.

He also got subbed in about 20 seconds in his second fight in ADCC (though it was against Popovitch, would who sub any other WW that comes to mind too except maybe GSP). So no shame there.

The guy he beat (Toni Linden), I don't believe is even ranked in bjj. He won the trials but that can be very deceiving, being that it was in Finland. He might have only had to win 2 matches against scrubs... we don't know.

I will say that Linden did have a very rubbery guard, and he was very flexible... so that is very similar to Hornbuckle's guard... It took Askren a while but he did pass and even mounted him before choking him out.

So that bodes well for the style match up with Hornbuckle.

But he also got caught in a triangle by Thomas in the first fight. Triangles are Hornbuckle's thing. So that doesn't inspire confidence. If it wasn't for that triangle by Thomas, I would probably be with you on Askren.

[poopoo333]

Re: Bellator 22

[edman5555]

Re: Bellator 22

Caught? he didn't tap though

[MMA_scientist]

Re: Bellator 22

Caught? he didn't tap though

no, it wasn't even that close... but still.

Pecanha has already beaten Stinson once. So that might be worth a look. I am trying to find it now.

[Mr. IWS]

Re: Bellator 22

Im on Conrad for 1000 units.

[MMA_scientist]

Re: Bellator 22

Ok. did some research on Stinson/Pecanha...

I could not find a vid of the first fight, but apparently Leo subbed him with a triangle.

BUT, Stinson won the open tryout, edging out Leo, who was second. I don't know if they actually fought a tournament... or if it was liek a TUF tryout where they just watch you spar.

It does say he edged him in "the finals" which makes me think they actually fought.

http://www.bellator.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=23600&ATCLID=204903916

BUt I watched some vids of Leo, and he looks really good. I find it hard to believe that Stinson could beat him.

Anyone know how these tryouts work?

[Mr. IWS]

Re: Bellator 22

Whats up with that chick fight? The one girl is 3-9 in her career.

[MMA_scientist]

Re: Bellator 22

Found this little nugget: "The open tryouts will be held in a cage and will include grappling and bag-striking. Competitors will be judged by Bellator Fighting Championships executives and officials."

So they didn't fight.

Pecanha looks really solid from what I have seen.

[Luke]

Re: Bellator 22

Whats up with that chick fight? The one girl is 3-9 in her career.

I looked it up and sherdog says Stephanie Frausto is 2-1 and Lisa Ward is 12-5

[Thewiseman]

Re: Bellator 22

Took Orr for .1u