UFC 120 England Oct 16th

[MMA_scientist]

Re: UFC 120 England Oct 16th

Agree on Hardy. Condit has a way though... he is pretty good striker himself. I think Hardy will be able to stop the takedowns. I am just not convinced he is a better striker than Condit. Did Hardy sell us on his standup? Let's review:

Gono, split decision
Markham- KO
Swick, decision- really close
Davis, split decision

I am not sure Hardy is really that good. His takedown defense is plenty good for Condit though. Swich couldn't get him down at all. Swick has to be at least as good as Condit at takedowns (even though Condit has a wrestling background).

[MMA_scientist]

Re: UFC 120 England Oct 16th

Really, he could be 1-3 in the UFC with a little less luck... His one clean win was against Markham, who Nate Diaz also dropped with a punch.

[edman5555]

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Really, he could be 1-3 in the UFC with a little less luck... His one clean win was against Markham, who Nate Diaz also dropped with a punch.

All of Rory Markhams losses are from KO btw. well 5 and one cut. His takedown defense wasn't very good against GSP though nobodies ever really is.

[poopoo333]

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Agree on Hardy. Condit has a way though... he is pretty good striker himself. I think Hardy will be able to stop the takedowns. I am just not convinced he is a better striker than Condit. Did Hardy sell us on his standup? Let's review:

Gono, split decision
Markham- KO
Swick, decision- really close
Davis, split decision

I am not sure Hardy is really that good. His takedown defense is plenty good for Condit though. Swich couldn't get him down at all. Swick has to be at least as good as Condit at takedowns (even though Condit has a wrestling background).

I just watched Hardy vs Davis like 20 minutes ago. Hardy won on the feet, and he landed some nice GnP as well. That sort of says something since Hardy out struck the boxer. Davis lost rounds 2 and 3 kind of clearly imo, though the 3rd round was close only because Davis had top control for the first half of the round. I don't think the Swick decision was close at all: Dan Hardy def. Mike Swick via unanimous decision (30-27, 30-27, 29-28). I didn't see the Gono fight.


I'm not trying to argue or anything, but just pointing out that his Davis/Swick wins were on the feet. I really don't know much of Condit, I would have to watch his fights again.

[SPX]

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I disagree that his wins over Swick and Davis were that close. The Davis fight never really should've been a split decision. It wasn't destruction, but I thought Hardy had a clear advantage in both fights.

[SPX]

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Hardy's actually a pretty crisp striker. The way he clipped Swick with that left hook while being backed against the cage was beautiful.

[edman5555]

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Condit poses the threat of striking mixed in with takedowns. Hardy just seems like he strikes..

[MMA_scientist]

Re: UFC 120 England Oct 16th

So we all think Hardy's standup is for real then? If that is the case, Hardy should win. Condit has decent standup, but its not great... I really think Hardy's TD defense is actually pretty good. I expect it to be a lot better now after having GSP take him down so much.

He has a nice MT clinch, but it wont do anything to Hardy, who has to be almost as tall and looks to be a lot stronger.

[SPX]

Re: UFC 120 England Oct 16th

So we all think Hardy's standup is for real then?

Yes.

[poopoo333]

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So we all think Hardy's standup is for real then?

Yes.

I think it is "for real" but not as for real as the UFC hype train made it seem to be when hyping the GSP/Hardy fight. I think GSP would have beat Hardy on the feet as well. So I am saying it is good, but not as good as the UFC tried to make people believe it was during the primetime show.

[SPX]

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I think GSP would have beat Hardy on the feet as well.

I'm actually not so sure. And really, there was only one way to tell, but GSP fucked that up.

[Ludo]

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I don't actually think GSP would have beaten Hardy standing. Hardy has great timing and good accuracy on his counters. His footwork is above average but he is also durable enough to take a few while giving back harder shots.

[Luke]

Re: UFC 120 England Oct 16th

Mark Holst (8-2 MMA, 0-1 UFC) and Paul Sass (10-0 MMA, 0-0 UFC) is now official


full card for UFC 120 is:

MAIN CARD

•Yoshihiro Akiyama vs. Michael Bisping
•Carlos Condit vs. Dan Hardy
•John Hathaway vs. Mike Pyle
•Travis Browne vs. Cheick Kongo
•Claude Patrick vs. James Wilks
PRELIMINARY CARD (un-aired)

•Cyrille Diabate vs. Alexander Gustafsson
•Rob Broughton vs. Vinicius Kappke de Quieroz
•Steve Cantwell vs. Stanislav Nedkov
•Spencer Fisher vs. Kurt Warburton
•Tom Blackledge vs. James McSweeney
•Mark Holst vs. Paul Sass

[Mr. IWS]

Re: UFC 120 England Oct 16th

Mark Holst (8-2 MMA, 0-1 UFC) and Paul Sass (10-0 MMA, 0-0 UFC) is now official


full card for UFC 120 is:

MAIN CARD

•Yoshihiro Akiyama vs. Michael Bisping
•Carlos Condit vs. Dan Hardy
•John Hathaway vs. Mike Pyle
•Travis Browne vs. Cheick Kongo
•Claude Patrick vs. James Wilks
PRELIMINARY CARD (un-aired)

•Cyrille Diabate vs. Alexander Gustafsson
•Rob Broughton vs. Vinicius Kappke de Quieroz
•Steve Cantwell vs. Stanislav Nedkov
•Spencer Fisher vs. Kurt Warburton
•Tom Blackledge vs. James McSweeney
•Mark Holst vs. Paul Sass

(excluding Condit/Hardy)

[SPX]

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(excluding Condit/Hardy)

I think Sexy/Bisping should be good, and we get to see again what a good prospect Hathaway is. It's obviously not a great card, but the UK events rarely are.