UFC 119 Sept 25th

[MMA_scientist]

Re: UFC 119 Sept 25th

^ I though the Nog Bader fight was horrible... Bader even admitted his stategy was just to get a takedown and then not engage so he could score points without having to grapple. Bader looked like he blew his wad in the first round... and Nog did not decide to actually fight until there was less than a minute left. The Serra fight just pissed me off terribly. The Guillard fight was a lot of backpedaling and some ultimate amateur kickboxing. I am pretty sure Mir and CC were actually telling jokes on the cage. Just horrible, it made me dislike MMA.

But yeah, it is easy to get into a shitty fight if you have money on the slightly less shitty performer. I forgive Bader, because he usually brings it and he was taking a big step up... Nog has no excuse. He had the fight where he wanted it and did nothing, CC style.

[Mangoo]

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What a boring batch of fights......disappointing though profitable.

[burgertech]

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That's Mirko in that pic, for sure.

The sleeper in this event is McCorkle. He's at +190 @ sportsbook.com. Hunt has a head like a gourd, but he hasn't fought any decent competition in years, and he's a Pride transplant with no cage experience. Mousassi arm barred him and Melvin Mahoef KO'ed him.

For a porker he does have some cardio, but I see no reason to have him at -240. +190 is a nice solid lay for McCorkle.

Hunt did beat CroCop back in the day. If you recall, he took two LHKs from CroCop WITH the goofy racketball shoes on back at Pride Shockwave 2005 and didn't fall.

WAR MIRKO.

McCorkle delivers the goods in wild fashion. Take it to the teller and ask for a receipt!

[edman5555]

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I just rewatched the fight and I can see why they gave R2 to Sherk.

http://www.mmatko.com/sean-sherk-vs-eva ... o-ufc-119/

[Luke]

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I just rewatched the fight and I can see why they gave R2 to Sherk.

http://www.mmatko.com/sean-sherk-vs-eva ... o-ufc-119/

Seriously ? How?

[zY|]

Re: UFC 119 Sept 25th

Yeah, explain why you agree with notorious evildoers Glenn Trowbridge and Cecil Peoples.

[zY|]

Re: UFC 119 Sept 25th

Fightmetric report is out.

http://blog.fightmetric.com/2010/09/she ... eport.html

[Luke]

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I also have to say the UFC announcers of Rogan and Goldberg are the biggest douches ever. The "it is all over" sealed that award for them last night .

These MMA judges are just horrible,way worse than boxing judges. These judges cant even score a 3 round fight right I'd hate to see what would happen if MMA fights were 12 rounds

[ManBoobKilla]

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And yet again the judges took money from me. lost $600 on the Dunham fight

[MMA_scientist]

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I had money on Sherk, and I think Dunham clearly won 29-28... Judging is really hurting the sport, IMO. Dunham is a legit prospect and Cecil just took away his goose egg. You average spectator really likes to see that "0"... it adds to the mystique.

In any event, I long for the no time limit and no judges days. Some promoter should start a no decisions org. You finish or it is a draw, just one 30 minute round.

[edman5555]

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Watch the second round again. Your counting those submission attempts as a lot but forgetting that Sherk was willingly putting his neck in there to get the takedown and Dunham was not getting anywhere with them. The first 3.5 minutes of the round was all Dunham with his back up against the cage trying to avoid being taken down and getting taken down. 3.5 minutes is 70 percent of the round.

If you want to look at "outlanded him 2 to 1" as per compustrike you have to also consider that half of those punches were little swipes he was taking at Sherk while Sherk was taking him down or pushing him up against the cage.

After that 3.5 min mark they broke up and for 30 second not much happened. The last minute they were striking back and forth. Dunham got better of him there but if you really look you can see that Sherk is landing in the minute also.

I'm not saying you couldn't give that round to Dunham, the third round was also the most decisive so all judging rules aside..Just as a fight I would say Dunham did better overall, without round by round scoring.

However Sherk did win the first round undeniably and he was controlling more of the second round.

Strikes landed is def not the only basis for scoring. Octagon control, EFFECTIVE grappling. Those guillotines looked scary but in retrospect Sherk didn't give a shit they were there. He wasn't really threatened. He cared so little, he kept putting his neck in there in order to get the takedown, which he got.

Honestly it was so close you could give it any way you wanted but a couple things are obvious.

R1 went to Sherk

R3 went to Dunham

R2 was really really close. This is what I was thinking when the fight was over and knew it would be a split Decision before they read the scores.

I think the fact that Dunham dominated R3 by a much much larger margin than Sherk did any other round which is why the decision was looked at as such a robbery.

Really it comes down to the scoring system being shitty. There needs to be way more of a variety. Just a 10,9 and 8 is very limited.

Overall Dunham was more effective, but the vast majority of what he did was in the third round.

[Luke]

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In any event, I long for the no time limit and no judges days. Some promoter should start a no decisions org. You finish or it is a draw, just one 30 minute round.

I'd be all for that .

[edman5555]

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In any event, I long for the no time limit and no judges days. Some promoter should start a no decisions org. You finish or it is a draw, just one 30 minute round.

I'd be all for that .

Yeah the current system sucks for evaluating fights. The only reason they have it is because people are used to seeing it in fights. That's it. They wanted to go mainstream so they adopted it. If that fight was one 15 minute fight I would def say Dunham won it hands down. The old Pride rules had valued who was winning at the end of the fight the most because that was thought of as the sum of the fight.

[MMA_scientist]

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Watch the second round again. Your counting those submission attempts as a lot but forgetting that Sherk was willingly putting his neck in there to get the takedown and Dunham was not getting anywhere with them. The first 3.5 minutes of the round was all Dunham with his back up against the cage trying to avoid being taken down and getting taken down. 3.5 minutes is 70 percent of the round.

I think if you hold a guy against the cage for 4:30 and then the other guy gets free and land one good strike, that ought to totally wipe out the 'octagon control'... IMO control should only count when there is no other criteria... Sherk did nothing, he just leaned on him. He didn't slam him, he didn't take a superior position, he just sort of pinned him... I fail to see how that means he was winning a fight.

Of course I am hardcore on this criteria. I don't think takedowns should score very much either... I just fail to see the relevance of who is facing chest down versus chest up as a criteria for winning a fight. I feel the same way about pressing a guy on the cage.

You can't just add up the time in the round and see who was winning more of it. Sherk "won" the first 3 minutes 10-9.99... Everyone in the room thought Dunham won round 2, before we saw rd 3.

I understand why the judges gave it to sherk, but I don't excuse crappy wrong scoring because it is common.

[MMA_scientist]

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In any event, I long for the no time limit and no judges days. Some promoter should start a no decisions org. You finish or it is a draw, just one 30 minute round.

I'd be all for that .

They actually have no points, no time limit bjj tourneys a lot now. The fights get finished usually pretty quickly. Occasionally you have a 2 hour match, but the just let them go, eventually someone makes a mistake. Never seen one yet that had to be called because it was taking too long. Boxing matches are 12 rounds... I don't see why we can't watch a 30 minute MMA fight.