UFC 119 Sept 25th

[SPX]

Re: UFC 119 Sept 25th

I don't see why we can't watch a 30 minute MMA fight.

I think that if we want to get to pure combat (without being too dangerous) then we'd have no time limit, with no rounds, and no standups. In some ways that's appealing. But it also has the potential to be boring as shit. We don't have to hypothesize about that. We just have to go back to the early UFCs.

When I talked to Keith Kizer, he made an interesting statement: "People say MMA matches are 3-round fights. They're not. They're 3 1-round fights."

Like it, love it, or hate it, that's the way it is. If fights need to be scored differently, then change the rules. But for now, it is what it is. We complain about it, but there are a lot of advantages to the current system. Quite frankly, I can sacrifice a little purity if it will make my viewing experience more enjoyable.

[zY|]

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Keith Kizer is such a sleazeball.

[SPX]

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Keith Kizer is such a sleazeball.

Are you in troll mode tonight or something?

[zY|]

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Oh cmon. You're telling me this guy doesn't lie and steal for a living?

[SPX]

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What I'm saying is that he had a pretty legitimate point, but instead you resorted to ad hominem attacks.

[poopoo333]

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I think Dunham won the fight, but under the current scoring system, I can definitely see why Sherk won. We see it all the time...that is why I was not surprised at all. I had money on Dunham and after the fight I thought Sherk would walk away with the win, just based on seeing how fights have been scored in the past.

[zY|]

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What I'm saying is that he had a pretty legitimate point, but instead you resorted to ad hominem attacks.

Well his point doesn't make any sense at all. In a scoring sense, yes. But each round is not an independent event. Successive rounds are absolutely and superlatively dependent on the previous rounds.

[SPX]

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^^^ Well the statement was made regarding the scoring system. Basically, the point he was making is that it's incorrect to allow yourself to be swayed by the events in other rounds when scoring the current wrong. And also that a 10-9 is a 10-9, regardless of whether it was edged out or gained dominantly.

[zY|]

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Basically, the point he was making is that it's incorrect to allow yourself to be swayed by the events in other rounds when scoring the current wrong.

Who does that?

And also that a 10-9 is a 10-9, regardless of whether it was edged out or gained dominantly.

This is why 10-8, 10-7, and 10-10 exist.

[SPX]

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Who does that?

Fans. All the time. If only subconsciously. Maybe some judges, too.

This is why 10-8, 10-7, and 10-10 exist.

In order to get a 10-8, but definition, there has to be "damage" and "domination." One without the other doesn't get a 10-8. Hence a dominant LnP round is not a 10-8 even though one guy was clearly in control.

[zY|]

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Fans. All the time. If only subconsciously. Maybe some judges, too.

But I don't because I know how to score MMA fights.

In order to get a 10-8, but definition, there has to be "damage" and "domination." One without the other doesn't get a 10-8. Hence a dominant LnP round is not a 10-8 even though one guy was clearly in control.

Again, I know how to score fights. There's no such thing as a dominant 'LnP' round.

Kizer should spend less time waxing philosophical and just unload those corpses he keeps around for judges. The current system works fine if you have competent people utilizing it.

And also stop entertaining stupid ideas like Doc Hamilton's redundant half point system. 10-9.5? 10-9? 10-8.5? What's the point of this? Last time I checked, there were more whole numbers than 10 and 9. Just use them, like the current system allows. What a waste of time.

[zY|]

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Also, I don't know where you got your definition of 10-8, but the Unified Rules only state

"A round is to be scored as a 10-8 Round when a contestant overwhelmingly dominates by striking or grappling in a round."

There is nothing about damage in here.

[SPX]

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And also stop entertaining stupid ideas like Doc Hamilton's redundant half point system. 10-9.5? 10-9? 10-8.5? What's the point of this? Last time I checked, there were more whole numbers than 10 and 9. Just use them, like the current system allows. What a waste of time.

When did I ever say anything about Doc's system?

In any case, I think it's okay, but I agree that we probably don't need it.

[SPX]

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Also, I don't know where you got your definition of 10-8. . .

10-8 = damage and domination came from a discussion I had with Tennessee commissioner Jeff Mullen.

[MMA_scientist]

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If you are going to use a scoring system, the one we have is fine. I just think they need to be more liberal with the 10-8, 10-7, and 10-10.

But I just think certain things should not score, or score way way less. To me, a takedown in and of itself, means nothing. Sub attempts are hard to score too, because you don't know when a guy is just head grabbing and when it is actually close... You see guys hold guillotines forever, and having been in a lot of them usually they are not close to choking, but I still can't get my head out...

Personally, I would be all over no time limit fights. But I realize that most people would not be interested in that.

Bottom line, we need more educated judges, that is all there is to it.