UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage

[SPX]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage-Bones/Forrest

As it pertains to Jones, yes, I think Vlad was a tougher matchup. Forrest might beat Vlad if they fought. But Vlad at least brought a tool to the table that I thought might give Jones trouble. Jones will be faster(way) and stronger than Forrest. And he is not near as durable as Vlad IMO.

What do you think Jones is good up to? And what do you think the line will open at?

I might take him up to -250. He's probably worth more, but Forrest has a way of pulling upsets and I'm always hesitant to bet against that.

BTW, it's time you got a suitable avatar. The little area with your name and shit is a barren, avatarless wasteland. Preferably it will have something to do with a ninja. It's kind of a rule for new guys.

[MMA_scientist]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage-Bones/Forrest

I think Vera would give a very good fight to and maybe beat Forrest. I really throught Vera was going to beat Jones. I am done betting against Jones. I am still not betting on him though.

I don't think Rampage is done at all. IMO, he lost his first fight in 5 years against Rashad. He beat Forrest IMO. Ke has some recent KO's... he only looked bad against Forrest and Jardine. Rashad is good, no shame in that loss. But even then, Rashad wanted nothing to do with striking with him. I see it pretty much like Zy, Machida leg kicks him him and leaps in for the occasional punch, but wins a boring decision. I doubt he wants to bang with Rampage like he did with Rashad. If Machida gets into an exchange like that with Rampage, I think Rampage will turn his lights off.

[sbjj]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage-Bones/Forrest

Lets break down Rampages last 5 years. Lackluster performance against Dong Sik Yoon. Split decision with Lindland(some think he lost), lackluster win on eastman. Quick KO of Chuck(was it that spectacular looking back now). Close decision over Dan, and a close lose to Forrest. Quick KO of Wand, and then two horrible performances against Jardine(unbelievable when you think about this) and rashad. So he has looked good three times. He stopped 3 fighters(all have questionable beards) out of 10 or so. And failed to stop a few guys that the old(or younger) Jackson would have stopped.

And yet he is not at least somewhat washed up? i mean we can do the whole subjective argument about this. But for Gods sake, I think everyone can see he has slowed down.

I just do not see him all of a sudden turning it back on for this fight, especially when IMO he has lost his fire.

I also believe that the shot that dropped Machida in the second shogun fight was a temple shot that might have dropped anyone. Can Rampage land it, of course he can. Hell, Hughes landed a money shot on Ricardo, but i am not willing to bet on it.

[Mr. IWS]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage-Bones/Forrest

[zY|]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage-Bones/Forrest

That's Rashad.

[Mr. IWS]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage-Bones/Forrest

That's Rashad.

They all look alike to me.

[Thewiseman]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage-Bones/Forrest

Bones is good all the way up to whatever part of your bankroll you feel comfortable betting. Ill take him - whatever.

[Ludo]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage-Bones/Forrest

As it pertains to Jones, yes, I think Vlad was a tougher matchup. Forrest might beat Vlad if they fought. But Vlad at least brought a tool to the table that I thought might give Jones trouble. Jones will be faster(way) and stronger than Forrest. And he is not near as durable as Vlad IMO.

What do you think Jones is good up to? And what do you think the line will open at?

I might take him up to -250. He's probably worth more, but Forrest has a way of pulling upsets and I'm always hesitant to bet against that.

BTW, it's time you got a suitable avatar. The little area with your name and shit is a barren, avatarless wasteland. Preferably it will have something to do with a ninja. It's kind of a rule for new guys.

I never had to put a ninja up...

[Luke]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage-Bones/Forrest

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I never had to put a ninja up...

Nor have I

[SPX]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage-Bones/Forrest

I never had to put a ninja up...

I think you came during the lull in ninja action. There was a time when almost all of us had ninja avatars. Luke was the only asshole who refused to do it.

[MMA_scientist]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage-Bones/Forrest

I was a loyal ninja AV supporter... I think a ninja AV is kind of a must for sucess in wagering.

[Ludo]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage-Bones/Forrest

Lets break down Rampages last 5 years. Lackluster performance against Dong Sik Yoon. Split decision with Lindland(some think he lost), lackluster win on eastman. Quick KO of Chuck(was it that spectacular looking back now). Close decision over Dan, and a close lose to Forrest. Quick KO of Wand, and then two horrible performances against Jardine(unbelievable when you think about this) and rashad. So he has looked good three times. He stopped 3 fighters(all have questionable beards) out of 10 or so. And failed to stop a few guys that the old(or younger) Jackson would have stopped.

And yet he is not at least somewhat washed up? i mean we can do the whole subjective argument about this. But for Gods sake, I think everyone can see he has slowed down.

I just do not see him all of a sudden turning it back on for this fight, especially when IMO he has lost his fire.

I also believe that the shot that dropped Machida in the second shogun fight was a temple shot that might have dropped anyone. Can Rampage land it, of course he can. Hell, Hughes landed a money shot on Ricardo, but i am not willing to bet on it.

Clearly when Rampage is without distraction and can really get fired up about who he's fighting he wrecks guys. Also, lets not act like a guy who's only career knockout losses are to Cro Cop, Rampage, and Dan Henderson has a weak chin all of a sudden. Rampage has definitely lost the fire and his biggest problem has always been motivation to get into the gym, as well as a lack of work ethic. The smart money will be on Machida but depending on the odds Rampage may be the "right side". We don't know if Machida will come out gunshy after suffering his first loss by horrific knockout only to find himself across from a man who has made a career out of brutalizing people with his hands.

[Ludo]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage-Bones/Forrest

I was a loyal ninja AV supporter... I think a ninja AV is kind of a must for sucess in wagering.

Then explain SPX's recent woes(excluding the Anderson Silva parlay).

[SPX]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage-Bones/Forrest

Then explain SPX's recent woes(excluding the Anderson Silva parlay).

Nigga, you must have me confused with someone else.

[Luke]

Re: UFC 123 - Machida/Rampage-Bones/Forrest

I was a loyal ninja AV supporter... I think a ninja AV is kind of a must for sucess in wagering.

Then explain SPX's recent woes(excluding the Anderson Silva parlay).

that is Zak