Strikeforce October 9th

[poopoo333]

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[Mr. IWS]

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LMAO, he dont even know the dudes last name that helped him with his sparring.

BTW, has he ever done an interview where he looked everywhere BUT the interviewer...LOL

Thanks for getting these up poopoo.

[SPX]

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After last night, I think Thomson needs to watch out.

He very nearly lost to Pat Healy and most people seem to have given the first round of last night's fight to JZ. (I gave it to Thomson, but it was razor thin. Maybe a 10-10.)

And LOL at him calling out Gil. Gil would beat him decisively in a rubber match, just like he did in their second fight.

[SPX]

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LOL @ Nick Diaz

That dude is such a character and, like him or hate him, he always seems genuine. I also wonder if he ever smiles. Anyone ever seen that nigga smile?

[Luke]

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I find it amazing Compustrike had Diaz with 194 strikes and Noons 310 .Fightmetric had Diaz 150, Noons 139


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[zY|]

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I find it amazing Compustrike had Diaz with 194 strikes and Noons 310 .Fightmetric had Diaz 150, Noons 139


compustrike

Yeah wtf is that about? Do the compustrike guys just count a strike landed every time Noons moved his arm?

[Luke]

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Yeah wtf is that about? Do the compustrike guys just count a strike landed every time Noons moved his arm?

I think they did count a strike everytime someone moved their arm. I knew when I saw the stats after the fight something was f-up.

[Svino]

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OK, Fightmetric had it scored pretty much the way I did. I guess Compustrike was counting every muscle-twitch as a punch and everything that actually touched the opponent as "landed". I know counting strikes live is hard, but damn.

[brooks85]

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i do agree with that, i was just saying noons in the second round was what I expected to see. The other four he seemed slow compared to how he was moving in the second.

Id look forward to seeing the round by round breakdowns[/quote]


figures, noons broke his left hand in the second round and jaw in the first

[SPX]

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SAN JOSE, Calif. – Lightweight Gesias "JZ" Cavalcante was sure he'd done enough to earn a decision victory over Josh Thomson at this past Saturday's "Strikeforce: Diaz vs. Noons 2" event.

Instead, Thomson earned a unanimous-decision victory, and though two judges scored it 29-28, one judge surprisingly gave him all three rounds.

"When they said 30-27, I said, 'Come on, that's complete bull [expletive],'" Cavalcante told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) afterward.

"Everybody keeps telling me I won," he added. "I feel like I won the first and the third round. But I have to watch the tape."

In the evening's co-main event, Cavalcante (15-4-1 MMA, 0-1 SF) and Thomson (18-3 MMA, 9-2 SF) waged a back-and-forth scrap that mostly took place on the mat. Both fought off submission attempts early on – Cavalcante used a tight guillotine and Thomson an arm-triangle choke – and traded dominant position during the 15-minute affair. Cavalcante, though, earned the lead on MMAjunkie.com's scorecard with an overall score of 29-28.

Fight statistic service CompuStrike gave Thomson the lead over Cavalcante in overall strikes landed (76 percent to 62 percent), ground strikes landed (83 percent to 69 percent), and dominant positions (two to one), though Cavalcante led in takedown attempts (two out of three vs. two out of five), knockdowns (one to zero) and leg strikes landed (92 percent to 84 percent).

Afterward, Thomson praised Cavalcante and said he disagreed with the judge who gave him all three rounds.

"I felt this might go the distance, but no way I won that fight 30-27," he said.

Although Cavalcante doesn't fault Thomson, he thinks the former champion's status as hometown hero may have played a part in the judges' call.

"That's always an influence," he said. "He comes back (to Strikeforce) and [almost] nobody knows me. I should have finished the fight. I had the opportunity to do it, and I missed it."

Still, the American Top Team product and DREAM veteran is frustrated by what he sees as a growing problem in MMA.

"Lately, they've been doing a lot of bad, bad [decisions]," he said. "If it keeps going like that, it's going to be really bad for the sport. Like with Jessica Aguilar, who just fought in Bellator, [the judges] dropped her fight with a bad decision. (Ed. note: Zoila Frausto defeated Aguilar by split decision at Bellator 31.)

"I have a couple of friends that get angry. They don't like to see those kinds of things. People like to watch because it's fun and entertaining, but not [with] bad judgement. That's something they've got to try to fix ... because it's a great sport, and everybody comes and fights hard."

Cavalcante is unsure of his next career move, though from the sound of it, he won't be fighting in Japan any time soon. Prior to his meeting with Thomson, he defeated Katsunori Kikuno in July's DREAM.16 event and said he has yet to be paid for his efforts.

"[Expletive] DREAM, man," he said. "I'm not going to say I'm done, but I need to get paid. I need people to show the respect [I] need.

"But Strikeforce, I've got to see what they're going to do after this. I feel good. I'm healthy. A little break, and maybe (I'll fight) at the end of the year or the beginning of next year. I've got to take time to check it out."

[Luke]

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^^^^ and again MMA judging screws things up. Its been the worst lately.

[SPX]

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I agree it's been pretty gay. The decision itself though--Thomson winning--was certainly no robbery though.

In any case, if JZ can essentially draw Thomson then he can beat a lot of other guys. Set him up with Noons and see what happens.

[MMA_scientist]

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It is almost a coin flip on any given fight. I felt that JZ won, but it was really close. Not the travesty it is being made out to be. Still, something has to give.

That said, it is really hard to score ground fights. If one guy is on his back in guard, that is technically a neutral position. Unless the guy on top is landing meaningful blows, being on top means shit. But then it is hard to give a lot of points for submission attempts too... you don't know how close something is. Sometimes guys will hold on to a guillotine forever, you can't get your head out, but it is not close on the choke, they are just head squeezing and stalling. Same thing with a lot of submission attempts. If the other guy is reacting and defending the whole time, then yes, they should get some control points for that. We argued about guard passes and dominant positions too in the past. If you get to mount, but don't hurt the guy or threaten a submission, why should that score? On one hand, it shows dominance, but on the other hand, the whole point of mount is that it is supposed to be a better position to finish from. It is harder than people think to score this stuff...

[SPX]

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If you get to mount, but don't hurt the guy or threaten a submission, why should that score?

My take on this, and I know I've said this before, is that the very nature of being on top of someone is more theatening than being on the bottom because the guy on top is in control. In a "real fight," the guy on top can choose to keep threatening with aggression or he can choose to get up and walk away. The guy on the bottom has no such choice. He at the mercy of his opponent.

[zY|]

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Achieving mount is considered effective grappling. If most of the round was on the floor, that's what is scored first. The unified rules are pretty specific about scoring.