King Mo and KJ Noons caught cheating last night?

[zY|]

Re: King Mo and KJ Noons caught cheating last night?

It's not against the rules.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/08/23/l ... s-vary-by/

[Luke]

Re: King Mo and KJ Noons caught cheating last night?

It's not against the rules.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/08/23/l ... s-vary-by/

Well according to that article no but I'm sure many people/doctors/scientists would disagree that oxygen canisters do improve performance.

Performance enhancers =illegal

The question is why were they taking the oxygen? Answer to improve their performance .Therefore they should be illegal . You can argue back and forth on the science behind canisters but they shouldnt be allowed imo or according to the rule book

[SPX]

Re: King Mo and KJ Noons caught cheating last night?

Well according to that article no but I'm sure many people/doctors/scientists would disagree that oxygen canisters do improve performance.

Performance enhancers =illegal

The question is why were they taking the oxygen? Answer to improve their performance .Therefore they should be illegal . You can argue back and forth on the science behind canisters but they shouldnt be allowed imo or according to the rule book

Well hold up now. . .

If you're going to argue against any substance that leads to a boost in athletic performance or abilities, then you'd have to ban a lot of the shit you can go buy at GNC.

[Luke]

Re: King Mo and KJ Noons caught cheating last night?

Well hold up now. . .

If you're going to argue against any substance that leads to a boost in athletic performance or abilities, then you'd have to ban a lot of the shit you can go buy at GNC.

Well I agree with that .I know the NFL and MLB have banned alot of things you can buy at GNC. I'm all for that

[SPX]

Re: King Mo and KJ Noons caught cheating last night?

Well I agree with that .I know the NFL and MLB have banned alot of things you can buy at GNC. I'm all for that

So if a fighter supplements with protein powders or creatine to get bigger, stronger, faster then he's cheating?

How about red meat? Most athletes who eat red meat will have an advantage in building muscle and strength that a vegetarian would not.

[Luke]

Re: King Mo and KJ Noons caught cheating last night?

Well I agree with that .I know the NFL and MLB have banned alot of things you can buy at GNC. I'm all for that

So if a fighter supplements with protein powders or creatine to get bigger, stronger, faster then he's cheating?

How about red meat? Most athletes who eat red meat will have an advantage in building muscle and strength that a vegetarian would not.

I'm not sure what the NFL,MLB allows and doesnt allow but they have gotten strick. Just because you can buy it a GNC doesnt mean its ok to take anymore according to them.

[SPX]

Re: King Mo and KJ Noons caught cheating last night?

I'm not sure what the NFL,MLB allows and doesnt allow but they have gotten strick. Just because you can buy it a GNC doesnt mean its ok to take anymore according to them.

Right. But you said you PERSONALLY did not agree with it. I'm just wondering what you feel should and should not be allowed, and why.

[zY|]

Re: King Mo and KJ Noons caught cheating last night?

Should it be illegal for a guy to train harder or to use more sophisticated training techniques? Eat better food? What's the difference? This is one of the reasons I don't give a shit about steroids. The main difference between steroids and all that other shit is that steroids work.

[Luke]

Re: King Mo and KJ Noons caught cheating last night?

Should it be illegal for a guy to train harder or to use more sophisticated training techniques? Eat better food? What's the difference? This is one of the reasons I don't give a shit about steroids. The main difference between steroids and all that other shit is that steroids work.

^^^ Where does it stop then? Should we let people do a line of coke before they walk into the cage to give them a bolt of energy ? Maybe everyone should take methamphetamines before the fights so there's more action

[zY|]

Re: King Mo and KJ Noons caught cheating last night?

Should it be illegal for a guy to train harder or to use more sophisticated training techniques? Eat better food? What's the difference? This is one of the reasons I don't give a shit about steroids. The main difference between steroids and all that other shit is that steroids work.

^^^ Where does it stop then? Should we let people do a line of coke before they walk into the cage to give them a bolt of energy ? Maybe everyone should take methamphetamines before the fights so there's more action

I don't think those are performance enhancers.

Where do you personally draw the line?

[Luke]

Re: King Mo and KJ Noons caught cheating last night?

I don't think those are performance enhancers.

Where do you personally draw the line?

I dont think anything that needs a prescription should be allowed .If you can get it in GNC (supplements)I'm fine with those.

I dont care if fighters use oxygen cans I was just saying according to the rules they shouldnt have been allowed

I guess I'm just old school from watching boxing all these years and dont want to see fighters taking alot of things

[zY|]

Re: King Mo and KJ Noons caught cheating last night?

I don't think those are performance enhancers.

Where do you personally draw the line?

I dont think anything that needs a prescription should be allowed .If you can get it in GNC (supplements)I'm fine with those.

I dont care if fighters use oxygen cans I was just saying according to the rules they shouldnt have been allowed

I guess I'm just old school from watching boxing all these years and dont want to see fighters taking alot of things

Fair enough, but considering the rules vary from state to state, it wasn't illegal in Texas.

I seriously doubt they do jackshit anyways, I imagine it was mostly used for sponsorship monies.

[SPX]

Re: King Mo and KJ Noons caught cheating last night?

The main difference between steroids and all that other shit is that steroids work.

I don't think I'd simplify it quite to that extent.

Obviously protein is necessary to build muscle, so protein powders "work." Creatine also has been scientifically proven to work. With steroids, the gains are obviously more dramatic, though.

In my view, the biggest difference (aside from certain alleged but unproven long-term health consequences) between steroids and everything else is that when you come off of them you lose a lot of your gains. That is, they're necessary to maintain what you were able to build, whereas if you stop using creatine but still take in the necessary calories and what not, you'll still be a big motherfucker.

[SPX]

Re: King Mo and KJ Noons caught cheating last night?

I seriously doubt they do jackshit anyways, I imagine it was mostly used for sponsorship monies.

I didn't even think of that, but that makes sense. I guess that company got more than it ever dreamed it would from this.

[zY|]

Re: King Mo and KJ Noons caught cheating last night?

The main difference between steroids and all that other shit is that steroids work.

I don't think I'd simplify it quite to that extent.

Obviously protein is necessary to build muscle, so protein powders "work." Creatine also has been scientifically proven to work. With steroids, the gains are obviously more dramatic, though.

In my view, the biggest difference (aside from certain alleged but unproven long-term health consequences) between steroids and everything else is that when you come off of them you lose a lot of your gains. That is, they're necessary to maintain what you were able to build, whereas if you stop using creatine but still take in the necessary calories and what not, you'll still be a big motherfucker.

Yeah but you know what I meant. Obviously they work or people wouldn't take them. Steroids just work MUCH better. And I don't really consider protein a supplement. You could eat some more chicken and get the same thing.