UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

[Luke]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

Did no one watch the first fight?



Nothing Koscheck does is better than GSP, nothing

[Ludo]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

Koscheck also was training exclusively in stand up when the first fight happened. He neglected his wrestling in Camp. Since then he has gotten back to wrestling and he has hired a better strength and conditioning coach. I'd say he's a live dog.

[SPX]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

Koscheck also was training exclusively in stand up when the first fight happened. He neglected his wrestling in Camp. Since then he has gotten back to wrestling and he has hired a better strength and conditioning coach. I'd say he's a live dog.

Nigga's gonna be a dead dog come December.

[zY|]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

Koscheck also was training exclusively in stand up when the first fight happened. He neglected his wrestling in Camp. Since then he has gotten back to wrestling and he has hired a better strength and conditioning coach. I'd say he's a live dog.

People say this shit all the time, like Kos forgot how to wrestle or something. I don't buy it.

Kos can match GSP in wrestling skill and physical ability, but nothing else. The guy doesn't know how to transition between striking and grappling at all and has the fight IQ of a functional retard. Kos's chance is a flash KO just like the rest of GSP's opponents. Most likely GSP is going to just run game all over him.

[Ludo]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

Koscheck also was training exclusively in stand up when the first fight happened. He neglected his wrestling in Camp. Since then he has gotten back to wrestling and he has hired a better strength and conditioning coach. I'd say he's a live dog.

People say this shit all the time, like Kos forgot how to wrestle or something. I don't buy it.

Kos can match GSP in wrestling skill and physical ability, but nothing else. The guy doesn't know how to transition between striking and grappling at all and has the fight IQ of a functional retard. Kos's chance is a flash KO just like the rest of GSP's opponents. Most likely GSP is going to just run game all over him.

Oh I'm not saying Koscheck WILL win. But to say he has no chance at all is ridiculous. He may not have "forgotten" how to wrestle but as we just saw with King Mo, if you neglect your wrestling in camp(all injuries aside) it can fuck you around. Personally I didn't see much wrong with Mo or his takedowns until after he got wobbled and pounded until his head was full of fuck. My point is, to say Josh Koscheck is going to look like Dan Hardy in there against GSP is a pretty shortsighted comment. Will he win? Probably not. Will he make a fight out of it? I'm fairly certain he will.

[zY|]

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Nobody said he's going to look like Dan Hardy in there. I'm not saying he doesn't have a chance, I'm just prognosticating what I think is going to happen. Kos can probably make it competitive, but as far as winning? I can't see him outpointing GSP over a 5 round fight, so I'm saying a standing KO is probably his best chance. +350 is not a bad bet and probably does have some value, but I won't be taking it because GSP is going to win.

As far as King Mo goes, I don't know whether or not he was neglecting his wrestling in camp or whatever, but he certainly was during the fight, which was his downfall in my opinion.

[Mr. IWS]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

Isnt Kos the guy that got KTFO by Thiago?

Kos cant andle da riddum.

GSP via whatever he wants.

[Luke]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

^^^ What he said

[Luke]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

Thiago Alves vs. John Howard targeted for UFC 124

One day after Thiago Alves (17-7 MMA, 9-4 UFC) welcomed a fight with Mike Pierce, who on Tuesday called him out on MMAjunkie.com Radio, the former contender is now expected to meet John Howard (14-5 MMA, 4-1 UFC) at UFC 124.

Sources close to the event today told MMAjunkie.com (http://www.mmajunkie.com) that verbal agreements are in place and contracts will be sent out shortly.

While not yet officially announced by the promotion, UFC 124 is expected to take place Dec. 11 at the Bell Centre in Montreal and feature a welterweight title fight between current champion Georges St-Pierre and challenger Josh Koscheck, who coach opposite each another on "The Ultimate Fighter 12." It's the promotion's fourth trip to the Canadian city.

Alves is looking for redemption after his most recent performance. The American Top Team standout met perennial contender Jon Fitch at UFC 117 this past August and lost a unanimous decision. Added to the sting of defeat was his struggle to make weight for the contest. He showed up one pound over and was fined 20 percent of his fight purse by commission officials

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[zY|]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

Thiago by murder

[MMA_scientist]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

^^ Howard's striking is coming along... he looked dangerous on his feet against Ellenberger. Does anyone else think Thiago's striking is overrated? I mean, it is obviously solid, but I think the UFC machine might have overstated his striking abilities. I don't think he is the insta-death muy thai machine that we are supposed to think he is...

I think Howard will come in as a pretty sizable dog, and I will probably take him.

[zY|]

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^^ Howard's striking is coming along... he looked dangerous on his feet against Ellenberger. Does anyone else think Thiago's striking is overrated? I mean, it is obviously solid, but I think the UFC machine might have overstated his striking abilities. I don't think he is the insta-death muy thai machine that we are supposed to think he is...

I think Howard will come in as a pretty sizable dog, and I will probably take him.

True. Howard is powerful and Thiago is no Anderson Silva. I do think Thiago is a lot better than Howard technically though and more importantly, much better defensively than Jake Ellenberger. I also doubt he'll be taking Alves down and I expect him to get picked apart. You're right though, it all depends on the odds. Howard will probably be a huge dog.

[SPX]

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I think the Alves that fought Kos would destroy Howard. He didn't look as good against Fitch, but that may very well have been as much about Fitch as it was about Alves. I mean, I know it was a few years ago and Alves is supposedly a much-improved monster now, but their two fights really didn't look that much different. Lots of takedowns and control from Fitch.

I'd probably take Alves at -233 or better.

[edman5555]

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Alves was drained for the second fitch fight. Howard's striking is very very powerful but not very technical. Alves will probably have the edge in pure standup but I wouldn't be suprised to see Howard shoot in for a takedown..

[Luke]

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I think the Alves that fought Kos would destroy Howard. He didn't look as good against Fitch, but that may very well have been as much about Fitch as it was about Alves. I mean, I know it was a few years ago and Alves is supposedly a much-improved monster now, but their two fights really didn't look that much different. Lots of takedowns and control from Fitch.

I'd probably take Alves at -233 or better.

I dont think I'd take Alves at the high of odds