UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

[Luke]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

European books have had Alves at -240 for weeks so your probably right it will go down

[poopoo333]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

I think Stevenson is a horrible match up for Danzig. I think the UFC is trying to get rid of Danzig. He gets a "gimme" @ UFC 109, then a more even fight @ UFC 115 which ended in that controversial submission, then they give him the type of guy that eats Danzig for breakfast.

[MMA_scientist]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

.5u on Howard @ +235

I think Alves' striking is totally overrated and Howard looked fast and dangerous against Ellenberger. My big concern here is that Howard could probably make 155 and Alves is obviously a huge "welterweight" (are you really in the weight class id you come in 7 pounds heavy?)

[poopoo333]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

Thoughts on Oliveira and Miller? At first I was thinking Oliveira, but IIRC Escudero was beating him until Escudero kicked him in the balls and made him go crazy. It might just be smart to stay away because we haven't seen enough of Oliveira against top competition.

[MMA_scientist]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

^ Oliveira won rounds 1 and 2 by most accounts, then he subbed him in round 3. Escudero wanted to strike in that fight, but I think it would have ended eariler if he tried to take him down.

Oliveira has won every fight inside the distance.

I think it is a tough fight though. Oliveira has a more dynamic striking style, with all the flying kicks and stuff, but I think Miller is a better boxer. But Miller is short and Oliveira can kick. Miller has an underrated ground game and unless Oliveira is even better than people are saying, he won't sub Miller. I think the line is just about right as it is just about even. If either guy becomes an underdog, I would say they are worth a bet. Miller could win it via control, but Oliveira has that style on his back that is very hard to control and makes guys want to get out of there. But Miller is a bjj bb himself.

I would give a slight edge to Oliveira personally just because of his reach. But Miller gets to decide where to fight most likely.

[poopoo333]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

^ Oliveira won rounds 1 and 2 by most accounts, then he subbed him in round 3. Escudero wanted to strike in that fight, but I think it would have ended eariler if he tried to take him down.

Hmm, alright, then my "IIRC"=I didn't recall correctly, thanks.

[Luke]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

Didnt realize these odds were out

[sbjj]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

.5u on Howard @ +235

I think Alves' striking is totally overrated and Howard looked fast and dangerous against Ellenberger. My big concern here is that Howard could probably make 155 and Alves is obviously a huge "welterweight" (are you really in the weight class id you come in 7 pounds heavy?)

This to me is spot on. I also agree that Alves striking is severly overrated. The guy was outstruck by Fischer and Lytle(at least towards the end). He is basically living off his showing against Hughes and KOS. But in all actuality the only guy I have seen him hurt from standing STRIKES is KOS. At least recently. i think Howard has a real shot here. Howard is tough and resiliant. Alves seems to have a hard time with guys who just do not fold.

[SPX]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

^^^ Remember he knocked out Karo, too.

[sbjj]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

^^^ Remember he knocked out Karo, too.

Yea, so did Hallman. The Karo fight actually proves my point. Karo was BEATING Alves until Alves got him with a knee. Karo was actually beating Alves standing before that.

[edman5555]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

I have always considered him overrated and one dimensional. However he is still a pretty good striker.

[poopoo333]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

hmm here is a list of prelim fights, I am going to look at these early just in case there are good opening lines (guess who has a bookmaker account now?)

Bocek vs Hazelett

Jesse Bongfeldt vs Rafael Natal

Matt Riddle vs Sean Pierson

Joe Doerkson vs Dan Miller

TJ Grant vs Ricardo Almeida

Pat Audinwood vs John Makdessi

[edman5555]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

I wouldn't be too quick to underrate Alves. He is good.

[SPX]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

(guess who has a bookmaker account now?)

'Bout damn time!

[zY|]

Re: UFC 124: GSP vs. Koscheck II to take place in Montreal

alves might be a little overrated but John Howard should be 1-4 in the ufc.