Todd Duffee=cut by UFC

[MMA_scientist]

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Interesting. I think the other way around simply because Brock's striking defense isn't that great and once JDS blasts Brock that might be it. All fights start on the feet and Brock might not even get it to the ground before it's over.

What do you think of Cain vs Brock?

Yeah, I just think it is more likely that a giy can land a takedown before a guy can land a punch in general. So IF Brock can pit him down, my inclination is usually that the grappler will get at least a shot off or a clinch first.

I think Cain is going to beat Brock.

So I think JDS is going to be HW champ assuming he wins whatever fight they put in front of him next.

[zY|]

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Brock has shown that once he puts you down, you stay there.

Tell that to Randy. Brock got 2 takedowns in that fight and Randy got back to his feet from both, taking minimal damage. All Brock has shown is that once you punch Mir in the face, he quits, which we already knew. He won't hold Cain down like that. Even Brock was surprised that Mir couldn't get out of that stockade. In training he said guys were getting out.

I think Cain would even outstrike JDS. His offense is awesome but his defense is pretty bad.

I see the Kongo fight completely different than most people. For one, Kongo doesn't get NEAR enough credit for being the tough, resistant bastard that he is. He took a tremendous asswhooping from Cain and never quit. Kongo has been finished by strikes only once, and that was from Gilbert Yvel when he was basically too tired to defend himself. So it's a slight against Cain for dominating all but 2 seconds of the fight? Why does Brock not get shit for not finishing Herring?

And the punches that dropped him just show how good of a chin Cain has. Cain ran right into a massive right cross that turned his head completely sideways, and he stumbled long enough for Kongo to load up a right hook of doom that landed right on his chin. And then what happened? Cain picked him up and slammed him.

And Werdum over Cain? Just no. Cain would drop kick Werdum into the Pacific.

[sbjj]

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[quote=zY|]

Brock has shown that once he puts you down, you stay there.

Tell that to Randy. Brock got 2 takedowns in that fight and Randy got back to his feet from both, taking minimal damage. All Brock has shown is that once you punch Mir in the face, he quits, which we already knew. He won't hold Cain down like that. Even Brock was surprised that Mir couldn't get out of that stockade. In training he said guys were getting out.

I think Cain would even outstrike JDS. His offense is awesome but his defense is pretty bad.

I see the Kongo fight completely different than most people. For one, Kongo doesn't get NEAR enough credit for being the tough, resistant bastard that he is. He took a tremendous asswhooping from Cain and never quit. Kongo has been finished by strikes only once, and that was from Gilbert Yvel when he was basically too tired to defend himself. So it's a slight against Cain for dominating all but 2 seconds of the fight? Why does Brock not get shit for not finishing Herring?

And the punches that dropped him just show how good of a chin Cain has. Cain ran right into a massive right cross that turned his head completely sideways, and he stumbled long enough for Kongo to load up a right hook of doom that landed right on his chin. And then what happened? Cain picked him up and slammed him.

And Werdum over Cain? Just no. Cain would drop kick Werdum into the Pacific.[/quote:3jxrxy78]

That right there is 100% the truth.

[MMA_scientist]

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[quote=zY|]

Brock has shown that once he puts you down, you stay there.

Tell that to Randy. Brock got 2 takedowns in that fight and Randy got back to his feet from both, taking minimal damage. All Brock has shown is that once you punch Mir in the face, he quits, which we already knew. He won't hold Cain down like that. Even Brock was surprised that Mir couldn't get out of that stockade. In training he said guys were getting out.

I think Cain would even outstrike JDS. His offense is awesome but his defense is pretty bad.

I see the Kongo fight completely different than most people. For one, Kongo doesn't get NEAR enough credit for being the tough, resistant bastard that he is. He took a tremendous asswhooping from Cain and never quit. Kongo has been finished by strikes only once, and that was from Gilbert Yvel when he was basically too tired to defend himself. So it's a slight against Cain for dominating all but 2 seconds of the fight? Why does Brock not get shit for not finishing Herring?

And the punches that dropped him just show how good of a chin Cain has. Cain ran right into a massive right cross that turned his head completely sideways, and he stumbled long enough for Kongo to load up a right hook of doom that landed right on his chin. And then what happened? Cain picked him up and slammed him.

And Werdum over Cain? Just no. Cain would drop kick Werdum into the Pacific.[/quote:1itmafch]

I said I think Cain will beat Brock. So I don't know why you are arguing that point.

Cain outstriking JDS? Based on what? Cain would/will get worked in the striking by JDS. JDS has put an absolute beating on everyone he has put his hands on... how you think Cain would win a striking battle with is beyond me. I think Werdum would win a striking battle with Cain striking as well. If it hits the mat, there is no reason to think that Cain would not get totally destroyed. I agree he has better striking than Brock, but it is nothing special. He is still mostly a top control wrestler with a gas tank. I am not sure why anyone rates Cain as highly as they do... he is a top 10 HW, but he only has 1 high quality win (Nog). Kongo is not a good fighter, he never was. Rothwell is solid, but still nothing to base a career off of.

For a guy that says he sees through the UFC hype machine, you sure are swinging from Cain's nuts for no real reason.

As for Brock... fine, another world class wrestler was able to briefy get away from him for a second before being planted again. I guess that means that Kongo would be able to get away from him as well. As for Herring, he beat Kongo...Brock should have been able to finish, but there was not even 1 second of that fight that Herring was not getting his ass kicked.

Does the beating Brock took from Carwin show how good of chin he has or does it show that he can't take a shot without turning his back and running like a 4th grader?

[doublearmbar]

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Brock is not a world class wrestler. He never competed at that level.

[zY|]

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I said I think Cain will beat Brock. So I don't know why you are arguing that point.

Cain outstriking JDS? Based on what? Cain would/will get worked in the striking by JDS. JDS has put an absolute beating on everyone he has put his hands on... how you think Cain would win a striking battle with is beyond me. I think Werdum would win a striking battle with Cain striking as well. If it hits the mat, there is no reason to think that Cain would not get totally destroyed. I agree he has better striking than Brock, but it is nothing special. He is still mostly a top control wrestler with a gas tank. I am not sure why anyone rates Cain as highly as they do... he is a top 10 HW, but he only has 1 high quality win (Nog). Kongo is not a good fighter, he never was. Rothwell is solid, but still nothing to base a career off of.

For a guy that says he sees through the UFC hype machine, you sure are swinging from Cain's nuts for no real reason.

As for Brock... fine, another world class wrestler was able to briefy get away from him for a second before being planted again. I guess that means that Kongo would be able to get away from him as well. As for Herring, he beat Kongo...Brock should have been able to finish, but there was not even 1 second of that fight that Herring was not getting his ass kicked.

Does the beating Brock took from Carwin show how good of chin he has or does it show that he can't take a shot without turning his back and running like a 4th grader?

I was just attempting to counter the myth that Brock is some HW BJ Penn and that when he takes you down you face immediate death.

JDS vs Cain, fine, perhaps I was a bit overzealous in stating that Cain would outstrike him, but I believe Cain's striking is good enough and JDS is hittable enough that Cain would be able to land on him enough to be able to setup his takedowns better than anyone else has.

As far as Brock's chin, I'm not sure. It's definitely solid, as he certainly took some hard shots from Carwin, but it wasn't the prolonged beating as it is commonly portrayed. That lunging uppercut that Brock ran away from was a good shot, but it wasn't anywhere near Carwin's best shot if you look at the mechanics of it. And on the ground, aside from a few punches and one good solid elbow, most of Carwin's punches were hitting Brock's arms. If Brock did anything right in that first round, it was avoiding damage and recovering guard. Turning his back and running from punches is definitely a huge problem though.

What's up with the nut-swinging cheap shot? I just think Cain is soon to be the best HW in the world. You might not see any reasons, but I see a lot.

[doublearmbar]

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What's up with the nut-swinging cheap shot?

It's a common bjj tactic. Nuts in the face.

[MMA_scientist]

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What's up with the nut-swinging cheap shot? I just think Cain is soon to be the best HW in the world. You might not see any reasons, but I see a lot.

Yeah... I think we mostly agree. I just think that Brock has shown more stiffling top control than Cain has at this point. It is probably due to his mass. I don't think Brock is great by any means though.

As for the cheap shot...sorry. For some reason I think I have a god given command to defend Werdum's honor on this board.

[zY|]

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[quote=MMA_scientist]

What's up with the nut-swinging cheap shot? I just think Cain is soon to be the best HW in the world. You might not see any reasons, but I see a lot.

Yeah... I think we mostly agree. I just think that Brock has shown more stiffling top control than Cain has at this point. It is probably due to his mass. I don't think Brock is great by any means though.

As for the cheap shot...sorry. For some reason I think I have a god given command to defend Werdum's honor on this board.[/quote:3dy0ggsx]

Yeah Brock has shown to be more methodical about top control than Cain. But then again I don't think Cain is trying for that. He's more concerned with relentless pressure. He may or may not be able to control similarly to that, but it's just not his style. Brock's mass and overall strength certainly helps his top control out.

You don't need to defend Werdum. I like Werdum, and I know he could tap out any of the UFC HWs if given the chance or they play his game. I just also happen to think he's slow and lumbering and Cain would most likely throw him out of the cage.

[edman5555]

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What makes you think that JDS could consistenly stop Cains takedowns?

[SPX]

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What makes you think that JDS could consistenly stop Cains takedowns?

JDS has shown some pretty good takedown defense and also pops up pretty well once he's down. Does that mean he can stop Cain's takedowns? Well it's a question mark, but his past performance is encouraging.

[zY|]

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JDS' takedown defense has shown to be pretty badass. Then again, he still hasn't fought anyone with any actual skill in wrestling (christ the HW division is so bad). Cain is probably the best in the HW division as far as switching techniques and chain wrestling. Cain and Brock can probably both get him down but can they do so without taking damage is the question.

[poopoo333]

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I kind of want Brock to beat Cain so we can see Brock vs JDS. I have wanted to see that fight for awhile.

[SPX]

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I kind of want Brock to beat Cain so we can see Brock vs JDS. I have wanted to see that fight for awhile.

I'd be cool with that.

[zY|]

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I kind of want Brock to beat Cain so we can see Brock vs JDS. I have wanted to see that fight for awhile.

You can see it after Cain beats them both.