UFN 23/Fight for the Troops

[Luke]

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Im betting against kenny until he wins one, and if they keep putting him against the top up and comers like dunham/maynard he is going to lose a lot. LW division is way more talented now then when BJ was champ.

What top LW fighters are in the UFC now that weren't there when BJ was champ?

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[edman5555]

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Kenny has very good striking, very good bjj and good wrestling. Kenny doesn't lose to Dunham. Dunhams wrestling isn't that good and his striking is not on Kenny's level. He will be forced to stand with Kenny and he will get picked apart.

[SPX]

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Not sure of the meaning of this. . .

[Ludo]

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Kenny wasn't letting his hands go against Maynard because that would increase his chances of getting taken down. Coming up with gameplans to beat Sherk, BJ Penn, and Gray Maynard is a lot easier said than done. They are some of the top guys at LW.

Thats My point though. His greatest tool is his ability to strike and set up a finish that way. No hands = no win for Kenny Florian. You'll never see him in a great ground war because his ground game isn't designed that way. He uses his ground game as a means to an end after he's sufficiently rocked his opponent or knocked them down to gain advantageous top position. For him not to throw his hands against Maynard was suicide. He wasn't stopping those takedowns anyway, he might as well go balls out and hope for the best because he's going to end up on his back anyway.

[SPX]

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He wasn't stopping those takedowns anyway, he might as well go balls out and hope for the best because he's going to end up on his back anyway.

Probably so. He obviously needed to do something different than what he was doing. It was a profoundly frustrating fight for me to watch as I realized almost immediately that I had just wasted 3u.

[edman5555]

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Kenny wasn't letting his hands go against Maynard because that would increase his chances of getting taken down. Coming up with gameplans to beat Sherk, BJ Penn, and Gray Maynard is a lot easier said than done. They are some of the top guys at LW.

Thats My point though. His greatest tool is his ability to strike and set up a finish that way. No hands = no win for Kenny Florian. You'll never see him in a great ground war because his ground game isn't designed that way. He uses his ground game as a means to an end after he's sufficiently rocked his opponent or knocked them down to gain advantageous top position. For him not to throw his hands against Maynard was suicide. He wasn't stopping those takedowns anyway, he might as well go balls out and hope for the best because he's going to end up on his back anyway.

Well he probably thought he had a better chance of stopping the takedowns than he really did. Hindsight is 20/20

[Ludo]

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Kenny wasn't letting his hands go against Maynard because that would increase his chances of getting taken down. Coming up with gameplans to beat Sherk, BJ Penn, and Gray Maynard is a lot easier said than done. They are some of the top guys at LW.

Thats My point though. His greatest tool is his ability to strike and set up a finish that way. No hands = no win for Kenny Florian. You'll never see him in a great ground war because his ground game isn't designed that way. He uses his ground game as a means to an end after he's sufficiently rocked his opponent or knocked them down to gain advantageous top position. For him not to throw his hands against Maynard was suicide. He wasn't stopping those takedowns anyway, he might as well go balls out and hope for the best because he's going to end up on his back anyway.

Well he probably thought he had a better chance of stopping the takedowns than he really did. Hindsight is 20/20

And a bad gameplan is a bad gameplan.

[MMA_scientist]

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I think Dunham is the only significant addition to LW in the last couple years. Dunham just fought very close with Sherk (IMO Sherk would have won convincingly if not for the long lay off). Dunham has a great ground game, decent wrestling, and pretty good hands. But his bjj is his ace in the hole for sure. I think Dunham might be able to get a takedown or two against Florian, mostly because Dunham goes for the finish... he will wade right into Florian. Florian has a good top game, but his guard is mostly defensive.

IMO, slight edge to FLorian striking; slight edge to Dunham grappling. Takedowns and defense are probably about even. This fight is really close and I think it will be won in the intangibles... gun to head: Dunham by aggression.

[Luke]

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Pat Barry vs. Joey Beltran on tap for Jan 22 Fight for the Troops show

http://ht.ly/34Di2

[poopoo333]

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Pat Barry vs. Joey Beltran on tap for Jan 22 Fight for the Troops show

http://ht.ly/34Di2

I bet joey comes to grapple.

[edman5555]

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I think Dunham is the only significant addition to LW in the last couple years. Dunham just fought very close with Sherk (IMO Sherk would have won convincingly if not for the long lay off). Dunham has a great ground game, decent wrestling, and pretty good hands. But his bjj is his ace in the hole for sure. I think Dunham might be able to get a takedown or two against Florian, mostly because Dunham goes for the finish... he will wade right into Florian. Florian has a good top game, but his guard is mostly defensive.

IMO, slight edge to FLorian striking; slight edge to Dunham grappling. Takedowns and defense are probably about even. This fight is really close and I think it will be won in the intangibles... gun to head: Dunham by aggression.

I don't know. I think Fenflo picks him apart standing. Remember what he did to Guida? That was a demolition.

[edman5555]

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Dunham hasn't really shown anything impressive in the striking department, he only looked good against Sherk because Shark gassed. Like you said, without the layoff Sherk would have won easily. Thats why I wished there would be a rematch. We probably could have gotten Sherk at Udog odds again.

[Ludo]

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I think Dunham is the only significant addition to LW in the last couple years. Dunham just fought very close with Sherk (IMO Sherk would have won convincingly if not for the long lay off). Dunham has a great ground game, decent wrestling, and pretty good hands. But his bjj is his ace in the hole for sure. I think Dunham might be able to get a takedown or two against Florian, mostly because Dunham goes for the finish... he will wade right into Florian. Florian has a good top game, but his guard is mostly defensive.

IMO, slight edge to FLorian striking; slight edge to Dunham grappling. Takedowns and defense are probably about even. This fight is really close and I think it will be won in the intangibles... gun to head: Dunham by aggression.

I don't know. I think Fenflo picks him apart standing. Remember what he did to Guida? That was a demolition.

Guida has no range, and sub par striking.

[edman5555]

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Dunham hasn't really shown anything special in the striking department. Kenny is a level above him in that dept.

[SPX]

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Dunham hasn't really shown anything impressive in the striking department, he only looked good against Sherk because Shark gassed. Like you said, without the layoff Sherk would have won easily. Thats why I wished there would be a rematch. We probably could have gotten Sherk at Udog odds again.

I think Dunham's looked pretty good in the striking department. Obviously he's not flawless, but he's clearly outstruck everyone he's fought.

I do think Sherk in top condition would beat him a second time, though, because he'd just run a takedown train on him for three rounds and win a decision.

War Sherk