Strikeforce's 2011 Heavyweight Grand-Prix

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  • SPX
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 23875

    I'm just going to say that I never said fighters shouldn't get paid more or that the UFC can't pay them more. In fact, I said the exact opposite.
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    • zY|
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2009
      • 8385

      What do undercard fighters in boxing make?
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      • Luke
        10 year vet
        • Oct 2006
        • 30060

        Originally posted by zY|
        What do undercard fighters in boxing make?

        Its all according to who they are and how far down the card they are . The first fighters on a card around 10k ,the guys right before the main event generally a couple hundred thousand unless they are a known fighter then it will obv me more. I mean if Mosley is fighting some can on the undercard of Manny-Marg he's probably making 500-750k to fight but most of them its probably only a few hundred thousand
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        • Luke
          10 year vet
          • Oct 2006
          • 30060

          Originally posted by SPX
          I'm just going to say that I never said fighters shouldn't get paid more or that the UFC can't pay them more. In fact, I said the exact opposite.

          Well that was my whole arguement.If you are agreeing with me what am I suppose to be admitting I'm wrong about?
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          • SPX
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2009
            • 23875

            Originally posted by Luke
            Well that was my whole arguement.If you are agreeing with me what am I suppose to be admitting I'm wrong about?
            My whole point was that the UFC's operating expenses are greater than a boxing org like the WBC's. Then again, I'm no expert. What do I know. But that seems obvious to me on the surface.

            But yes, I agree that fighters should be paid more. I've said that in the past. I've even said that it's an insult that even the lowliest undercard fighter is making $3K to fight for the greatest MMA org in the world, a position that I've actually been argued with in the past for holding.

            Bottom line is that I don't know exactly what the UFC is making or how much is costs to run their business. I do know that the fighters today are making a lot more than they were making 10 years ago. I've heard that a few (like Couture), after PPV shares, have cleared a million dollars.

            As for me being a UFC nuthugger, well, I do like the UFC. I think they put on the best show of all the orgs, both in terms of talent and production. I like both Rogan and Goldberg. It gives me a good feeling inside when they commentate as a team, like hanging out with old friends. Dana White is crass and can he extremely selfish, but I also think he's good for the organization and good for the sport. And I think the UFC is good for the sport and that it wouldn't be where it is today without White's and the Fertitta's business sense.

            With all that said, I obviously don't like it that they arbitrarily ban sponsors, or arbitrarily revoke legitimately publications' press credentials, or that anyone makes $3K to fight on one of their cards.

            I also like Strikeforce and Bellator.

            And while I'm not the biggest JMMA fan and always lose my bets when I bet on those orgs, I like DREAM and WVR as well and think that it's a good change of pace when I do watch it.
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            • Luke
              10 year vet
              • Oct 2006
              • 30060

              Well I like the UFC also and I watch just about every show they put on but that doesnt mean I cant bitch about what they do if I dont agree with it .The UFC has went from being worth 2 million in 2001 to 1.5 billion in 2011 I think its time to spread the wealth a little more.

              It not like I only dislike Dana, I hate Arum ,Don King and Goldenboy promotions and I'd rant about them too but no one wants to hear about boxing.
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              • SPX
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2009
                • 23875

                Originally posted by Luke
                Well I like the UFC also and I watch just about every show they put on but that doesnt mean I cant bitch about what they do if I dont agree with it.
                Agreed. You're entitled to your opinion. And the UFC does plenty of shit worth bitching about.

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                • Luke
                  10 year vet
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 30060







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                  • Luke
                    10 year vet
                    • Oct 2006
                    • 30060

                    Originally posted by SPX
                    Agreed. You're entitled to your opinion. And the UFC does plenty of shit worth bitching about.


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                    • MMA_scientist
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2009
                      • 9857

                      Originally posted by SPX
                      But yes, I agree that fighters should be paid more. I've said that in the past. I've even said that it's an insult that even the lowliest undercard fighter is making $3K to fight for the greatest MMA org in the world, a position that I've actually been argued with in the past for holding.
                      That was probably me arguing with you. I would like to see the guys make more, but I am also a believer in free market. There are too many fighters at that entry level and not enough orgs willing to pay. I don't have problem with the $3k guys that are just coming over from fighting in their backyard or wherever, I don't like it when I see a quality veteran with some name recognition getting paid the same a TUF fighter. I think the mid to top guys should make more, but if they are willing to do it... I guess that is their issue.
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                      • SPX
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 23875

                        I can't remember who it was, but I remember the counter-argument basically went like: Does that fighter's name being on the card bring in $3,000 extra dollars for the promoter?

                        Which I think is something of a fallacious argument.
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                        • cheickkongo24
                          Banned
                          • Jan 2011
                          • 9

                          here is fedor the best fighter in the world

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                          • Luke
                            10 year vet
                            • Oct 2006
                            • 30060

                            ^^^^^^^^^^^If he walks out to that song I'm never watching Strikeforce again
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                            • edman5555
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2010
                              • 6628

                              I currently have 2.5u on Sergei at even money. I am thinking about arbing out on this though. I can get Arlovski at even now, maybe even +105 which would be cool. He has a lot of good wins but I am not confident. How do you guys think they stack up?
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                              • poopoo333
                                MMA *********
                                • Jan 2010
                                • 18302

                                Sergei Kharitonov vs Andrei Arlovski - Strikeforce propositionsSat 2/12
                                3203 Kharitonov/Arlovski goes 3 rnd distance
                                +240 10:00PM
                                3204 Fight won't go 3 round distance -320 Sat 2/12
                                3205 Kharitonov wins inside distance
                                +130 10:00PM
                                3206 Not Kharitonov inside distance -170 Sat 2/12
                                3207 Kharitonov wins by 3 round decision
                                +514 10:00PM
                                3208 Not Kharitonov by 3 round decision -940 Sat 2/12
                                3209 Arlovski wins inside distance
                                +168 10:00PM
                                3210 Not Arlovski inside distance -225 Sat 2/12
                                3211 Arlovski wins by 3 round decision
                                +466 10:00PM
                                3212 Not Arlovski by 3 round decision -797 Sat 2/12
                                3213 Kharitonov/Arlovski draw
                                +9000 10:00PM
                                3214 Fight not a draw -25000 Sat 2/12
                                3215 S.Kharitonov wins in round 1
                                +320 10:00PM
                                3216 Any other result -460 Sat 2/12
                                3217 S.Kharitonov wins in round 2
                                +495 10:00PM
                                3218 Any other result -885 Sat 2/12
                                3219 S.Kharitonov wins in round 3
                                +875 10:00PM
                                3220 Any other result -1790 Sat 2/12
                                3221 A.Arlovski wins in round 1
                                +420 10:00PM
                                3222 Any other result -650 Sat 2/12
                                3223 A.Arlovski wins in round 2
                                +545 10:00PM
                                3224 Any other result -1035 Sat 2/12
                                3225 A.Arlovski wins in round 3
                                +920 10:00PM
                                3226 Any other result -1870 Sat 2/12
                                3235 Kharitonov/Arlovski starts round 3
                                +130 10:00PM
                                3236 Fight won't start round 3 -170 Sat 2/12
                                3237 Kharitonov/Arlovski starts round 2
                                -197 10:00PM
                                3238 Fight won't start round 2 +156

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