Strikeforce's 2011 Heavyweight Grand-Prix

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  • Ludo
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2010
    • 4931

    Originally posted by poopoo333
    It's kind of hard to compare Choi and Hunt's top control to Silva's though..
    It absolutely is, My point was simply that it isn't a size issue. Because bigger men than Bigfoot have been on top of Fedor and even in side control who were not able to control Fedor. It had everything to do with Bigfoot actually being a black belt in brazilian jiu jitsu.
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    • edman5555
      Senior Member
      • Apr 2010
      • 6628

      Originally posted by LudoCain
      It absolutely is, My point was simply that it isn't a size issue. Because bigger men than Bigfoot have been on top of Fedor and even in side control who were not able to control Fedor. It had everything to do with Bigfoot actually being a black belt in brazilian jiu jitsu.
      Well you have to consider both size and skill. Fedor has had to grapple with black belts before, they just weren't nearly as big as Bigfoot.
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      • Ludo
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2010
        • 4931

        Originally posted by edman5555
        Well you have to consider both size and skill. Fedor has had to grapple with black belts before, they just weren't nearly as big as Bigfoot.
        They also weren't on top of him other than Arona.
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        • edman5555
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2010
          • 6628

          Yeah big Nog couldn't get on top of him. I'm not arguing about this anymore. My opinion = 50 pound weight advantage helps.
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          • zY|
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2009
            • 8385

            Nog mounted him when he got on top, and pretty quickly. 3rd fight, end of first round.
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            • edman5555
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2010
              • 6628

              Theres a Jim Rome video clip on BloodyElbow. That guy is such a douche and he really doesn't know much about mma. He called Bigfoot a better MMA figher than Fedor. Sorry, incorrect.
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              • edman5555
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2010
                • 6628

                Originally posted by zY|
                Nog mounted him when he got on top, and pretty quickly. 3rd fight, end of first round.
                Ok. Now imagine Nog with 40 more pounds on him.
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                • Luke
                  10 year vet
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 30060

                  Originally posted by edman5555
                  Theres a Jim Rome video clip on BloodyElbow. That guy is such a douche and he really doesn't know much about mma. He called Bigfoot a better MMA figher than Fedor. Sorry, incorrect.

                  I seen a bigger douche than Rome running his mouth about Fedor last weekend : Dana White

                  Dana is completely classless and its amazing this is the guy that runs the UFC .
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                  • zY|
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2009
                    • 8385

                    Originally posted by edman5555
                    Ok. Now imagine Nog with 40 more pounds on him.
                    My point was his positioning off his back isn't great. Obviously size didn't help, but it's not the reason he lost.
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                    • edman5555
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 6628

                      Originally posted by zY|
                      My point was his positioning off his back isn't great. Obviously size didn't help, but it's not the reason he lost.
                      Yeah his positioning didn't look that good. I noticed that too, he almost seemed like he was flopping like a fish. I wonder how much of that had to do with how hard he was getting hit though and the weight on top of him. It might have been harder to get position because of the weight..Also I think you have to really twist and turn/wiggle to get out of full mount like that. He did get his guard passed REALLY fast though. I remember being suprised by that.
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                      • MMA_scientist
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2009
                        • 9857

                        I wasn't surprised by Fedor's crappy bottom game. I was saying before the Werdum fight that his ground game was not that good and never has been. But I WAS surprised that he was not able to get to his feet better. I thought he would just explode out and somehow get to his feet...
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                        • MMA_scientist
                          Senior Member
                          • Nov 2009
                          • 9857

                          I went ahead and tossed 1u on Werdum @ +220
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                          • poopoo333
                            MMA *********
                            • Jan 2010
                            • 18302

                            Ok, stop laughing… it’s true. Fedor Emelianenko’s coach, Vladimir Voronov believes forbidden psychological technology was used against the Russian fighter when he squared off with Antonio “Big Foot” Silva this past Saturday night in East Rutherford, New Jersey.
                            Speaking via Russian website, LifeSports.ru, Voronov said:
                            “We believe that forbidden psychological technology was used… It seems to us that not everything was right, and that certain technologies were used. Not ones that could be seen by the naked eye but psychological technologies that worked on both fighters at a distance.”
                            “That is why during the fight Fedor was just not like himself. It seemed very strange behaviour from Fedor. He stepped into the ring and did everything exactly the opposite of what we practiced before the fight. We were all shocked! Fedor had never previously done such a thing. Now nearly a week passes, everything settles, and we understand why all this happened.”
                            Voronov goes on to say that he noticed Fedor was looking depressed in the build-up to the fight and quite the opposite could be said for his opponent who was “literally glowed from the overflowing of his energy”. He believes a member of the audience was transferring energy from Fedor to Silva, aiding him in winning the fight. To be quite honest I’m speechless…

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                            • Mr. IWS
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                              • Sep 2006
                              • 98691

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                              • MMA_scientist
                                Senior Member
                                • Nov 2009
                                • 9857

                                ^ I agree. Clearly, the force was used, which is against the unified rules.
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