UFC 129 toronto GSP-Shields

[edman5555]

He is really active and powerful from what I have seen. I don't know that he can take Nate down... but he may be able to beat him standing anyway. He looks a little more dynamic than Nate on the ground, but I would put my money on Nate in a grappling match, he has some of the best finishing skills in the UFC. He has a sick guillotine and he has that triangle. I think Nate will catch him in a guillotine personally.

Alright I will stay away from him.

[SPX]

SPX your PM box is full so I can't reply to you.

Try again.

[SPX]

Thats not really a fair assessment on the Howard fight. Ellenberger isn't a world beating striker and he's by no means a Muay Thai guy. Howard caught him and he has monster power in his strikes. It could have happened to anybody. He had to strike for a while to set up a takedown because if he became a one trick pony he had no shot.

I don't know. I just have never been that impressed by Howard. Yes, he has had his moments, but he looked like shit again the Barncat, was 10 seconds away to losing to Hallman, and arguably lose to Charlie Brenneman right before he came to the UFC.

Rocha I think looked better than he actually is simply because his jui jitsu is so dangerous it more or less forced Ellenberger to stand. Rocha looked cool because he was throwing all kinds of flashy ass kicks and stuff because he didn't care about getting taken down.

Well Rocha destroyed McCray, who you could argue just beat Hathaway, who beat Diego and Rick Story.

That's MMAth, I know.

[Ludo]

I don't know. I just have never been that impressed by Howard. Yes, he has had his moments, but he looked like shit again the Barncat, was 10 seconds away to losing to Hallman, and arguably lose to Charlie Brenneman right before he came to the UFC.



Well Rocha destroyed McCray, who you could argue just beat Hathaway, who beat Diego and Rick Story.

That's MMAth, I know.

Hathaways hype train got derailed by Mike Pyle, so McCray beating him doesn't mean a whole lot.

[SPX]

Hathaways hype train got derailed by Mike Pyle, so McCray beating him doesn't mean a whole lot.

Hathaway still beat Rick Story and Diego, regardless. We all saw it.

[zY|]

Didn't he lose every round to Hathaway anyway, though?

[SPX]

He did. It was a clear 30-27.

[zY|]

So what do you mean "you could argue he beat Hathaway". I guess you could argue that, but wouldn't that make you a bad person?

[SPX]

So what do you mean "you could argue he beat Hathaway". I guess you could argue that, but wouldn't that make you a bad person?

Oh. I thought you were talking about Diego.

Hathaway/McKray was a split.

I'll put it this way, I had 3u on Hathaway and was very nervous going into the decision.

[MMA_scientist]

let's see y'all's straight up picks (not odd dependent):

Georges St. Pierre vs. Jake Shields
Jose Aldo vs. Mark Hominick
Randy Couture vs. Lyoto Machida
Benson Henderson vs. Mark Bocek
Vladimir Matyushenko vs. Jason Brilz
Rory MacDonald vs. Nate Diaz
Kyle Watson vs. John Makdessi
Sean Pierson vs. Jake Ellenberger
Pablo Garza vs. Yves Jabouin
Ivan Menjivar vs. Charlie Valencia
Claude Patrick vs. Daniel Roberts
Jason MacDonald vs. Ryan Jensen

[edman5555]

A couple of those I have no idea about.

[MMA_scientist]

Just guess. I want to see how close anyone gets.

[poopoo333]

Georges St. Pierre vs. Jake Shields
Jose Aldo vs. Mark Hominick
Randy Couture vs. Lyoto Machida
Benson Henderson vs. Mark Bocek
Vladimir Matyushenko vs. Jason Brilz
Rory MacDonald vs. Nate Diaz
Kyle Watson vs. John Makdessi
Sean Pierson vs. Jake Ellenberger
Pablo Garza vs. Yves Jabouin
Ivan Menjivar vs. Charlie Valencia
Claude Patrick vs.Daniel Roberts
Jason MacDonald vs. Ryan Jensen

[poopoo333]

^^^for the record, that is my $1 wiseman special. I kind of think Garza, MacDonald, and Vladdy will win, and originally I thought Macdonald/Vladdy would win. Roberts/Patrick is a toss up too

[MMA_scientist]

What does that pay? Almost every one of these fights could go either way. I have no confidence in any fight except the big 3.